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xLogan February 20th, 2010 9:35 PM

It was pretty terrible...:( But, my mom is fine with it, unlike my dad. It happened like, a year ago, and she's still waaaay pissed that he'd do that to me. :/

And, yeah. People aren't killed for being straight. At least, not that I've heard of.

Kura February 20th, 2010 9:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569499)
@ Kura: Dude, did you even read my post? Most people are generally straight, and I don't think liking Pokemon makes you gay. Though Pocket Monsters could sound suspicious...

*Shakes Head*

There are plenty of straight people here, most likely the larger percentage. Where in the world did you get the idea that most people on PC were gay?

That club would be a waste of this forum's space. This club is for people who aren't really accepted, or want to talk to somebody with the same tastes as them. In a straight club there would be nothing to talk about.

You don't get thrown out of your house for being straight. You don't lose respect in people's eyes for being straight. It would be pointless.

Obviously most people are generally straight but there's a significant gay community on this forum, and many of the regulars are gay hence why I said most people here are gay. Just a thing I've noticed from being an old member from 2004 and someone who comes on PC at least twice a week. Liking pokemon doesn't have anything to do with sexual preferences.

I personally feel that saying that a club for straight people is a waste of space almost seems like a weird type of discrimination against a majority of people. I'm sorry that I find it actually somewhat offensive. I would think that in a straight club people could talk about how they might have trouble understanding the opposite sex or trying to get a girlfriend or boyfriend.. why should a club only be for gblt and not one for everyone?

Some people actually do scoff at people who are straight.. some people are starting to insist that everyone is at least somewhat bi. Although it may not be as drastic as getting kicked out of the house or anything, sometimes straight people actually get outcasted from a group of gay friends (I speak from experience) because they don't want to be so outwardly blatant about their sexuality. Although not all gblt are like this, I can speak from experience that there are some that are.

In short, if someone is gonna make a club, why should it be restricted to only a certain type of sexuality? Straight people have relationship problems too.

I'm not saying this to diss gay people or anything, I just wish that everyone could be fair to each other. I hate how a lot of people are currently separating gays from straights and I think that sexuality shouldn't even matter when it comes to making friends and getting along with people.

In short, I don't appreciate you shaking your head at me because I feel disrespected. I hope I am not being treated differently FOR the reason that I am not gay like you (I don't think this is the case, but I just wanted to make sure), and I hope now that you see what I had to say in a different, more rounded context.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorafune (Post 5569563)
On the contrary, I would say less than say a handful of states in America support gay marriage. In this day and age, people are still touchy about homosexuality, unfortunately.

I didn't say that everyone was OK with it, I said nobody kills people for being gay.

@ Whoever You Are: That's the exception that proves the rule. It was an idiotic teenager most likely overun with hormones. It's not OK, but that doesn't happen much at all anymore.

Quote:

Obviously most people are generally straight but there's a significant gay community on this forum, and many of the regulars are gay hence why I said most people here are gay. Just a thing I've noticed from being an old member from 2004 and someone who comes on PC at least twice a week. Liking pokemon doesn't have anything to do with sexual preferences.

I personally feel that saying that a club for straight people is a waste of space almost seems like a weird type of discrimination against a majority of people. I'm sorry that I find it actually somewhat offensive. I would think that in a straight club people could talk about how they might have trouble understanding the opposite sex or trying to get a girlfriend or boyfriend.. why should a club only be for gblt and not one for everyone?

Some people actually do scoff at people who are straight.. some people are starting to insist that everyone is at least somewhat bi. Although it may not be as drastic as getting kicked out of the house or anything, sometimes straight people actually get outcasted from a group of gay friends (I speak from experience) because they don't want to be so outwardly blatant about their sexuality. Although not all gblt are like this, I can speak from experience that there are some that are.

In short, if someone is gonna make a club, why should it be restricted to only a certain type of sexuality? Straight people have relationship problems too.

I'm not saying this to diss gay people or anything, I just wish that everyone could be fair to each other. I hate how a lot of people are currently separating gays from straights and I think that sexuality shouldn't even matter when it comes to making friends and getting along with people.

In short, I don't appreciate you shaking your head at me because I feel disrespected. I hope I am not being treated differently FOR the reason that I am not gay like you (I don't think this is the case, but I just wanted to make sure), and I hope now that you see what I had to say in a different, more rounded context.
Ok, I'll answer this piece by piece, in no particular order.

I'm not gay, I was speaking for gay people and if you'll read my first post you'll see it said "as long as they don't try to convert me..."

I shook my head at my own Pocket Monsters comment, not you.

I understand where you're coming from, but those threads should be clubs on, like you said, getting a girlfriend or boyfriend, and not generaliz to a sexuality. You say you don't wants gays and straights to be differentialized, yet your first suggestion does just that.

I also understand the outcast part, there is a particular group of gays at school that basically harass everybody else, and get off for being "misunderstood", or "in emotional turmoil".

The club idea's themselves are fine, just take out the "You have to be straight" part, and I'm fine with it.

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:40 PM

You can't say, "it never happens." Yet when I prove you wrong, say it's the exception.

xLogan February 20th, 2010 9:41 PM

Well, yeah. Straight people do have relationship issues. That's a given, considering everyone gets those. But, still. Straight people don't have to worry about some things, such as digging on another straight person, but you can't tell them because you're freaked that they'll flip out because you're the same gender.

Dirtyjerry February 20th, 2010 9:49 PM

I'm not gay or bisexual, but I do believe that if you love someone you should be with them. Love shouldn't have restrictions.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569579)
You can't say, "it never happens." Yet when I prove you wrong, say it's the exception.

I didn't say it never happens, I said they're not any different from straight murders.

You dug that up on Wikipedia, but do you know how many school-shootings kill straight people as opposed to gays? That ratio would be roughly 10:1.

It's chance. Just because one kid doesn't like a resident gay doesn't mean ten more straights won't be killed just for being at school. In fact, there are probably more angry gays shooting up places than homophobics.

And yes, I can. If you find two or three more RECENT incidents like that and then tell me no gays have gotten angry and killed straights, I will concede. Until then, it is an exception.

Sorafune: I meant straight people shooting people specifically because they're gay.

Logan: No, but we do have to worry whether or not they'll talk to us, reject us, humiliate us, ect. Gays just have an extra barrier to the numerous ones everybody must face.

Harmonie February 20th, 2010 9:53 PM

If you're looking for a trans you've found one... >_<

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:54 PM

Yes, straight people die all the time, but they are not targeted for being gay. That's all I'm saying.

Feign February 20th, 2010 9:55 PM

Soooooooooooo

funny that this came up today...

I just came out to my sister as being gay (today, though it had nothing to do with this thread).

She took it very well...

I think I have been feeling this way since elementary school... Though never had teh courage to bring it up, until a friend helped me.

The funny thing is, before I accepted it myself (as being gay), I had thought of myself as being bi, as though I was trying to legitimate the fact that if I were bi, I could still have a wife and a child or something like that... Now I am past that self denial.

:)

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569611)
Yes, straight people die all the time, but they are not targeted for being gay. That's all I'm saying.

Did you even read my post?

Plenty of straights get killed by angry gays for being straight. An outcast will come to school and search out the person who outcasted them. They'll see somebody identified as straight, and kill them.

Most of the time they're innocent. So yes, straights do get killed for being straight.

Kura February 20th, 2010 9:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xLogan (Post 5569580)
Well, yeah. Straight people do have relationship issues. That's a given, considering everyone gets those. But, still. Straight people don't have to worry about some things, such as digging on another straight person, but you can't tell them because you're freaked that they'll flip out because you're the same gender.

Yeah that's pretty true. There are a lot of homophobes out there.

I've actually found that in college, there are more people open to the gay community than back in highschool. I think that a lot of people should be more mature in highschool.. but then again, I can't change that.

I actually find it quite hurtful when a friend comes out of the closet, and then doesn't want to socialize with you anymore and then they start to hang out with another group of friends that conveniently happen to also be gay.
Sure this is a personal experience, but it goes both ways.

I just feel like when a gay comes out of the closet and they get outcasted for their sexuality then it's almost like a whole other situation..
but isn't it basically the same thing? Why is it different if the gay gets outcasted than if the straight person gets outcasted from friends?

I wish that people would just see everyone as just people. That's why I guess it bothers me when people feel that they should have a club or group or gathering and not include everyone. It reminds me of highschool and people who leave their friends just because they don't have the same sexual preferences as each other.

Why would people want to encourage that? I think it's sooo hurtful. If anything you guys should make a gblt support group for people who are having trouble. I'd totally be for that.


Edit: Objection, yeah I agree with you, and I apologise for that mixup, I misread your post and I thought you were gay.

インフェルノの津波 February 20th, 2010 10:02 PM

Um...let me think...Straight?

Oh well. I like guys as friends. It had nothing to do with genders, mind you. But guys are really a turn off, especially where I live.

Also, girls are more fun then guys, they think more, they know what to say, most are considerate, etc. Guys are like this, but most aren't.

I'll know I'm gay when I start thinking about one of my friends...more then often.

Timbjerr February 20th, 2010 10:03 PM

I'm not gay or bi or trans or anything like that...if anything I might just be sexually oblivious or outright asexual. (That revelation may be a shock to old skool PC members that remember my newbie days with my perverted Brock-like persona XD)

I'm not a big fan of marriage to begin with, let alone gay marriage. I believe that if you love someone you don't need to prove it with a legal document. Both parties will know that the love is there and there's no point in trying to prove it to anyone.

Despite my history of flaming PC's gay community when I was younger and more immature, I will stand up to defend the gay community if the need ever arises nowadays. XD

Objection! February 20th, 2010 10:03 PM

Kura: But you said in your first post that you wanted to make a straight club, you could have said the you wanted to expand this one to deal with the things you just listed! I feel your pain, I really do, but you're not making any sense.

I agree with you completely, and I think it's wrong that some people think that just because they're gay they're not good enough for us. Or, most likely, we're not good enough for them. It's messed up and stupid, but that's life.

Kura February 20th, 2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569627)
Kura: But you said in your first post that you wanted to make a straight club, you could have said the you wanted to expand this one to deal with the things you just listed! I feel your pain, I really do, but you're not making any sense.

I agree with you completely, and I think it's wrong that some people think that just because they're gay they're not good enough for us. Or, most likely, we're not good enough for them. It's messed up and stupid, but that's life.

I hope you're not trying to fight.. cause.. I basically brought up wanting a straight club because I felt like well.. if gays have a club, why can't straights have one too? So basically I felt like no one should be left out.

But thinking about it again, I thought that instead of making a gay club for gay people to talk, it'd be better more to have a gay support group, so that ANYONE could join and offer help to people in tough situations about sexuality.

Then I thought about it again and figured.. hell why not just make a club just for all relationship problems whether gay or straight instead of two separate ones.

Hopefully that cleared up me not making any sense.

Vyro February 20th, 2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569532)
Darkly: Are you sure about that? Because that would imply that:

A) You're gay and very open about it, in which case you see these people as weak-willed.

B) You think that just because they're gay doesn't mean they should hide it, which could be seen as hypocritical

B. There is no reason for them to hide it.

Esper February 20th, 2010 10:26 PM

I've been attracted to people of both sexes, but I don't consider myself bi-, pan-, or omni- or anything-sexual. I don't like labels, I like people.

I don't think marriage matters if you love someone, but as long as it exists as an institution and people still want to get married I think everyone should have the option of marrying who they want to.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 10:30 PM

Darkly: In some cases and areas there actually is. I'm assuming you've picked hypocritical, so I'll elaborate:

Some parents or guardians are strictly against gayness, or are christians, which makes them unreliable sources to confide to.

Many friend groups laugh and joke about gay people all the time. Not in the good way. Would you tell all of your "Haha! He's gay! What a weirdo!" friends if you were gay?

I brought that comment down so much due to the rules here it actually looks fairly ridiculous. Anyways, it's harder for some than it is for others.

Feign February 20th, 2010 10:36 PM

Yeah to add, people think too much into the reprocussions, it is only natural. Someone not in that position would not understand... Plus there are those who are still in self-denial...

Just think, if you had a fundamentalist Christian family, and they support you otherwise monetarily etc. If you told them you were gay, they'd probably kick you out... We as humans don't want to feel that sort of rejection ever.

インフェルノの津波 February 20th, 2010 10:42 PM

For people like me, since I'm a Muslim, I can't be gay anyway. According to my religions laws, if I become gay, I'm an abomination of the earth.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 10:54 PM

Ouch. Well, if you're Christian, you're an affront to God. And for Christians, that's basically the same thing as being an abomination of the world.

Harmonie February 20th, 2010 10:56 PM

Oh yeah, being gay is a sin. Just like a million other things that so many Christians conveniently "forget about".

Dukey February 20th, 2010 10:56 PM

If you're catholic, it really isn't up to you /shot.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 11:00 PM

Hey, I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm just saying that's what their ideals are. They're neither good or bad.


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