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Feign April 7th, 2010 3:58 PM

I remember telling my mom about it... She was a bit more accepting than I anticipated, maybe even too much >.>

I say that because at one point I brought up sex, and she was all like "well sex is a beautiful thing..."

I think my heart skipped a beat. XD

FreakyLocz14 April 7th, 2010 4:01 PM

I know lots of people who went to prom with friends.
And equal treatment means everyone is under the same rules. There was a rule saying no same-sex partners allowed. All students had to abide by this whether they were hetero, homo, black, white, green, Jewish, Christian, etc.

Lady Gaga April 7th, 2010 4:01 PM

Sorry, I just wanted to point out that when the flaming and arguing stopped, so did everybody else. This thread has turned into something it really shouldn't have, and if our society wasn't so ignorant, it wouldn't be that way.

Well, I don't think I have to worry about my mom, it is everybody else I have to worry about XD;

Human April 7th, 2010 4:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5692958)
There was a rule saying no same-sex partners allowed.

Yes, and that rule was discriminatory. :laugh:

インフェルノの津波 April 7th, 2010 4:04 PM

No same sex partners?

That their missy is what we call "discrimination".

Nick April 7th, 2010 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5692958)
I know lots of people who went to prom with friends.
And equal treatment means everyone is under the same rules. There was a rule saying no same-sex partners allowed. All students had to abide by this whether they were hetero, homo, black, white, green, Jewish, Christian, etc.

...Someone doesn't read the dictionary much, do they?

shookie April 7th, 2010 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 5692851)
A lot of people think I'm gay because of the things I like. Very stereotypical of them, but something that's been forced upon them by our stereotypical society. I find both sexes to be attractive, but neither to be sexually attractive with the exception of one or two fetishes I have.

I find different things attractive with both sexes, and honestly when it regards other women it's mostly a superficial thing. That's mostly to do with how the female form is perceived, which is as a more appealing and attractive form overall (the way the average frame curves, etc.) With men it's both how they look and the kind of person they are, but that's just what I know now from having crushes on a bunch of different people when I was growing up.

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 5692851)
I won't get into what I find to be sexually attractive, though, considering the nature of the forum and of the community.

Unless, of course, it's a Pokémon, right? ;D Kidding!

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 5692851)
But, like I said a few pages back, I believe that sexuality is a very minor aspect in human relationships. I think anyone can fall in love with anyone, regardless of their sex. I'm just open minded about situations like that. Sexuality, in my opinion, is a very harsh limitation for anyone. But at the same time, I'm hypocritical to say that I've only had feelings and have been in relationship with those of the opposite sex, so I identify myself, when asked, as straight. But I don't limit myself to one sex. Can't say I can see myself having a same sex relationship with anyone, but I'm not ruling that out as impossible either.

I agree, but unfortunately society makes sexuality seem like a really important aspect to life nowadays. I don't mean to sound like one of those "sex is on TV and it's warping children's minds!" people, but it is everywhere, and the general idea seems to be that physical attraction in a relationship is the only way to really stay happy. That's just how I see it though, I don't actually believe that to be true.

FreakyLocz14 April 7th, 2010 4:06 PM

Discrimination is when people are treated differently. Everyone was bound under that same rule so no one was treated differently. If a straight student wanted to bring a same-sex date they would have been turned down as well.

Guy April 7th, 2010 4:06 PM

My stand on this honestly, is that a person should have the right to be with someone they love. Whether it be the same gender, the opposite, or whatever the case may be. I don't think someone should force themselves to like something for the pleasure or desire of others. It's basically changing yourself to be someone you're not and at the end just leaving you unhappy.

There are many haters out there who discriminate against people who are either Gay, Lesbian, Bi, or Tran-sexual. They have this one set mind that a person is born who they are and should pair up with the opposite gender for the sake of all that is good. What good is it to live in a world that lives their lives on the same standards as everyone? As people, we are all individuals and we are given the right of freedom. Isn't love a choice based on freedom? I would think so, and to hold someone back from marrying a person they love because they are the same gender is basically neglecting the freedom of those people.

I know there will always be those who fight against all who are gay, lesbian, Bi, and Tran-sexual. However, the point being, you can't stop people from not being who they are and therefore you can't stop people from being with the person they love or share feelings for.
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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 5692883)
I'm reminded by reading this of people a dozen or so pages back who basically said bullying gays or people who they thought was gay didn't do anything to them, which is like saying it's okay or something.

This kid wasn't even gay... just goes to show you how stereotypes are nothing but a bad thing. Or maybe I'm overlooking something?

Basically read the whole thing. It's disappointing to read that someone as young as 11-years-old had to end their life short because of discrimination and hate from others. Preferably bullying in this case, has been a serious case recently for younger students as well as those who attend high school more so. It shows a lack of knowledge some people have to consider someone based on appearance or behavior over natural personality. Which goes to show, one shouldn't judge a book by its cover, much less a person who they know little about.

I've seen cases where students were bullied or harassed on because they might have been gay, and personally it just shows the immaturity people have to respect what someone else may be like. Relatively, it's discrimination on a person like the girl with prom for example. That my friend is a pure case of discrimination.

Nick April 7th, 2010 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5692984)
Discrimination is when people are treated differently. Everyone was bound under that same rule so no one was treated differently. If a straight student wanted to bring a same-sex date they would have been turned down as well.

Think logically here for a second and use some common sense. Why would a straight person bring a same sex date to their prom? Come up with an answer to that, and I and everyone else in this forum will **** bricks.

Lady Gaga April 7th, 2010 4:08 PM

@ freaky: lol green people

@ freaky again: if you were straight, you wouldn't bring a same-sex partner with you. =/

Human April 7th, 2010 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5692984)
Discrimination is when people are treated differently. Everyone was bound under that same rule so no one was treated differently. If a straight student wanted to bring a same-sex date they would have been turned down as well.

Why would a straight student want to bring a same-sex date? They wouldn't, because they're straight. A gay person would want to bring a same-sex date because they're gay, but they're not allowed because of a rule. That's discriminatory.

"Discrimination: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit"

The rule obviously targets one group: homosexuals.

FreakyLocz14 April 7th, 2010 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Gaga (Post 5692998)
@ freaky: lol green people

@ freaky again: if you were straight, you wouldn't bring a same-sex partner with you. =/

That's a broad generalizing statement. People do all sorts of unorthodox things.

Sneeze April 7th, 2010 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5692984)
Discrimination is when people are treated differently. Everyone was bound under that same rule so no one was treated differently. If a straight student wanted to bring a same-sex date they would have been turned down as well.

Does you ignorance know no bounds? Have you idea idea how mind numbingly stupid that statement is? I actually feel my IQ has dropped a significant amount having read it.

Nick April 7th, 2010 4:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shookie (Post 5692980)
I find different things attractive with both sexes, and honestly when it regards other women it's mostly a superficial thing. That's mostly to do with how the female form is perceived, which is as a more appealing and attractive form overall (the way the average frame curves, etc.) With men it's both how they look and the kind of person they are, but that's just what I know now from having crushes on a bunch of different people when I was growing up.

Unconventional beauty in women is much more striking than the superficial barbie dolls most people go after.

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Originally Posted by Hiiro (Post 5692986)
Basically read the whole thing. It's disappointing to read that someone as young as 11-years-old had to end their life short because of discrimination and hate from others. Preferably bullying in this case, has been a serious case recently for younger students as well as those who attend high school more so. It shows a lack of knowledge some people have to consider someone based on appearance or behavior over natural personality. Which goes to show, one shouldn't judge a book by its cover, much less a person who they know little about.

What bothers me about this is that this boy ended his life not because he was gay but because he was teased by people who thought he was gay based on stereotypes. And that's another reason why I dislike people judging someone's sexuality based on stereotypical behavior and interests, yet people do it anyway.

Feign April 7th, 2010 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 5693018)
Unconventional beauty in women is much more striking than the superficial barbie dolls most people go after.

I hate that soooo much... it doesn't matter who or what you are... society affects people into believing what is beauty... That's why I love candid photography so much (among other things), as well as someone with a great personality.

I do however like guys who have a somewhat toned body, so I might be one to speak, but I do want to say that my standards aren't specific. :3 Maybe I should just go out and meet people. XD

Guy April 7th, 2010 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5692984)
Discrimination is when people are treated differently. Everyone was bound under that same rule so no one was treated differently. If a straight student wanted to bring a same-sex date they would have been turned down as well.

There's a certain point you're not looking at. You keep looking at the rule as a broad idea, when the point being is that you're not generalizing it that gays who do want to go to prom can't have the right to go with their choice of company, which in most cases may just be a same sex individual. Meaning, even though the rule applied to everyone, it discriminated those who are gay and wished to attend with someone the same sex as them. It practically forced people to either go with someone of the opposite gender as them or not go at all.

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 5693018)
What bothers me about this is that this boy ended his life not because he was gay but because he was teased by people who thought he was gay based on stereotypes. And that's another reason why I dislike people judging someone's sexuality based on stereotypical behavior and interests, yet people do it anyway.

Which is what I meant by people judging a book by it's cover, much less a person. It's sad to see people, especially the younger generation of kids, now stereotype what a person must act or be like to consider them straight and if they don't meet those qualities then they go off and tease them by basically labeling them as gay. In this kid's sake it basically proves the point being and lets the crows know that something should be done. School teacher's specifically have a knack for avoiding things as such and don't support those who may be gay at times, which makes it more difficult for the child being it makes him or her feel singled out.

FreakyLocz14 April 7th, 2010 4:32 PM

I don't agree with the rule at all so don't get to thinking that.
It's just the school board who made those policies are elected by the community so the rule represents the communities attitude to the situation, not just the school administration.

Human April 7th, 2010 5:01 PM

Anyway, is there anyone who is gay that wants to be my friend? :laugh:;)

Feign April 7th, 2010 5:12 PM

I'll be your friend! XD :P

You know... actually I'd want to present a challenge for everyone that hasn't come out yet (and for those that have, to pursue their interests that bit more).

Thus that is to say, that if you haven't come out yet, to perhaps give hints in that direction, if you feel comfortable in doing so.

Or for those who have already come out, to go for example to their local LGBT centre or some sort of meet up.

I'm not trying to make people feel uncomfortable, or forcing anyone, I just don't want people to be stuck in the shadows because of what some people have deemed to be "wrong".

And I said it before, I'll say it again: more often than not, love takes precedent over fickle things like sexuality, thus your parents should love you regardless. Those parents who do not understand, should be shown the light.

(you know for some odd reason, this made me think of the challenge Tyler Dursden put out in Fight Club). XD errr don't hurt people though.

The Fame Monster April 7th, 2010 5:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Human (Post 5693202)
Anyway, is there anyone who is gay that wants to be my friend? :laugh:;)

ill be your friend too!! =D

Sneeze April 7th, 2010 5:33 PM

I've been to a gay pride night already if that counts.

The music was awful <.<

The Fame Monster April 7th, 2010 5:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sneeze (Post 5693316)
I've been to a gay pride night already if that counts.

The music was awful <.<

i went to the dc gay pride march where gaga spoke and performed. the music they played was all by gaga in some way

pokejungle April 7th, 2010 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fame Monster (Post 5693325)
i went to the dc gay pride march where gaga spoke and performed. the music they played was all by gaga in some way

SOOOOO JEALOUS!

I'm excited for this years pridefest 8D

Harmonie April 7th, 2010 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Feign (Post 5693236)
Thus that is to say, that if you haven't come out yet, to perhaps give hints in that direction, if you feel comfortable in doing so.

That's how I came out the first time. Although I'm trans, it still works the same way pretty much. When you hint you can kind of gage people's reactions and find out whether you should really come out to them or not.

Although some people are oblivious and won't recognize your hints. (There's also the 'selectively' oblivious type. Some of which will try to remain oblivious even after you came out to them. That's what I deal with a lot. -_-)


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