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LightOfTruth March 14th, 2010 10:49 AM

Pokemon Red and blue are good for nostalgia
 
I just played it earlier :rambo:

Lord Varion March 14th, 2010 11:13 AM

Yh but its a new experience and the old games have to get iwth the times you know

Sydian March 14th, 2010 12:04 PM

Way to be rude. There would be no HGSS if it weren't for the originals. FRLG was an awful rendition of Red and Blue. HGSS is a much, much better remake, but you can never replace your roots, kiddo. Pick up the GBC another round or two before you go spouting off that nostalgia's been murdered. Classics ain't dead.

560cool. March 14th, 2010 12:06 PM

I never actuually played the originals after I got FR . They were fairly good and I don't think that FRLG are awful . They are good-average remakes , they get rid of glitches at least ...

Aureol March 14th, 2010 12:27 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm a sucker for graphics. The originals have their place, and they will always be great, but I can never go back to them.

Makes me kind of sad, actually.

Raiskit March 14th, 2010 1:41 PM

They were an upgrade in graphics, though the originals are awesome. Another thing is that now you can also be a girl, in the originals, you couldn't.

Left4Dead March 14th, 2010 1:47 PM

Mate, Red & Blue will never die. Sure Fire Red & Leaf Green were utter crap (In MY opinion fokes) but I think it was just to introduce Kanto to the new generation of Pokemon fans, I mean if you were young and just getting into Pokemon around 2004-2005 and you wanted to play one of the games, it would make sense to go for the one with the better graphics rather than the ones that were out almost a decade earlier. (It's like becoming a tennis fan, wanting a tennis game, then buying Pong instead of the higher quality games we have now lol) Sure Red & Blue were fun for us older gamers because we didn't have the technology we have today to produce brilliant graphics but now kids expect the best graphics for their games. But hopefully when they're older they'll go back and play Red & Blue just to see what we considered a brilliant game back then and see where the franchise started. :]

Sydian March 14th, 2010 1:52 PM

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Mate, Red & Blue will never die. Sure Fire Red & Leaf Green were utter crap (In MY opinion fokes) but I think it was just to introduce Kanto to the new generation of Pokemon fans, I mean if you were young and just getting into Pokemon around 2004-2005 and you wanted to play one of the games, it would make sense to go for the one with the better graphics rather than the ones that were out almost a decade earlier. (It's like becoming a tennis fan, wanting a tennis game, then buying Pong instead of the higher quality games we have now lol) Sure Red & Blue were fun for us older gamers because we didn't have the technology we have today to produce brilliant graphics but now kids expect the best graphics for their games. But hopefully when they're older they'll go back and play Red & Blue just to see what we considered a brilliant game back then and see where the franchise started. :]
Thank you. Saying they were killed is just too harsh for my tastes. This section isn't for hatin' on the old games. They're the roots of HGSS and FRLG. They're great games, but you can't really compare them to the old ones in every aspect. Back then, those graphics were mind blowing. Except for Golbat's sprite.

xPsychosocial March 14th, 2010 2:20 PM

They are just remakes, a few upgrades and updated graphics. Thats cool and that but nothing beats the originals, especially when they were a big part of your childhood.

PlatniumPiano March 14th, 2010 7:17 PM

I really could care less for graphics, R/B has better music for sure (Was so excited to battle champion rival in leafgreen only to find out they butchered his song :'() and I really guess it depends on what you grew up with. If you started out on R/B/Y that sense of nostalgia will be hard to replace while if you entered the franchise at FR/LG it will be an akward transition backwards.

(BTW Silver version was the best game imo)

Niprop March 14th, 2010 8:48 PM

Nope, dead batteries killed Gold/Silver. At least HG/SS were thoughtful enough to retain the old music...

loliwin March 14th, 2010 8:50 PM

Firered and Leafgreen were crap, but it made me remember R/B again. :)
Same with HG/SS. >.<

I think they shouldve done a Yellow remake. That would be just awesome!

Blue Trainer March 15th, 2010 6:44 AM

Ok looking back and in comparison to modern times - the graphics are terrible...but back then - I loved Red & Blue...I still remember opening them up on christmas day and being delighted!! My first Pokémon I ever got was a Charmander - called it Candle....(come on I was like 9!) and I trained it right up to level 100 charizard - I was chuffed!! And I played the hell outa that game...

But the new ones, 11 years later I'm still playing - and only because of those awesome moments as kids - that we still all love the game ^^

EPIC!!

Blue

Myles March 15th, 2010 6:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 5620979)
Thank you. Saying they were killed is just too harsh for my tastes. This section isn't for hatin' on the old games. They're the roots of HGSS and FRLG. They're great games, but you can't really compare them to the old ones in every aspect. Back then, those graphics were mind blowing. Except for Golbat's sprite.

Not really. Their bad graphics were put down then too. People just liked them in spite of that.

It's not just the graphics either though. The old games had some arkwardness in gameplay. Tiny bag, no pockets, no select button to get on bike, no easy experience to next level checking, no quick HM using, no move descriptions when they're being taught, etc.

LightOfTruth March 15th, 2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Myles (Post 5622649)
Not really. Their bad graphics were put down then too. People just liked them in spite of that.

It's not just the graphics either though. The old games had some awkwardness in gameplay. Tiny bag, no pockets, no select button to get on bike, no easy experience to next level checking, no quick HM using, no move descriptions when they're being taught, etc.

I dont really feel to see the need to suffer the awfulness of a tiny bag and no use of the select button. Didn't notice a problem back then though :)

Nightrider434343 March 15th, 2010 7:15 PM

I didn't think FRLG were that terrible, I mean the only reason I pick up the originals now is to mess with glitches. Yeah, the original silver and gold were my all-time favorite games, but the graphics just weren't that good.

Myles March 15th, 2010 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LightOfTruth (Post 5622945)
I dont really feel to see the need to suffer the awfulness of a tiny bag and no use of the select button. Didn't notice a problem back then though :)

Seriously? Walking through those buildings between routes was really annoying with the need to go through the bag every time.

And never being able to store TMs in your bag. Never being able to pick up a loose item on the ground. All you could store was:

Poke Balls
Great Balls
Ultra Balls
Potions
Super Potions
Hyper Potions
Full Restores
Repels
Super Repels
Escape Ropes
Revives
Ethers
Bike
Old Rod
Good Rod
Super Rod
Item Finder
Town Map

And then only two more spaces for Master Balls, Rare Candies, TMs, vitamins, stones, story items, random items on the ground, etc.

Ninja Caterpie March 16th, 2010 1:42 AM

Huh, funny.

I've barely even played Gold or Silver, but the moment I started playing through HeartGold, I suddenly wanted to. To go back to "the good old days" of Pokemon and play "the best generation ever".

It invoked nostalgia that I didn't even know I had.

Seriously, the Goldenrod and Azalea themes hit me with nostalgia even though that was the first time I've heard them properly.

dc_united March 16th, 2010 8:11 AM

Oh wow, updated graphics and a pedometer! This is a totally good way to murder an established generation that millions of people are playing! Wrong.

In general remakes are just a way for Nintendo to pull in the generation who missed G/S/C. If you want it to transfer stuff to D/P/Pt, that's cool, but I'm going to stick to the games with bad graphics, poor music, and sprites that made us go "Holy s**t, that Zubat's blue and purple! And black!"

Lil MuDkiP849 March 16th, 2010 8:15 AM

i never really understood why people take graphics in games so seriously. I guess im kind of the person that can go back and play ANY single game and not say *wow these graphics are horrible* because in all honesty it is what is...

anyway, red and blue are deffinately not dead, and neither are gold and silver. I mean they couldve done a better job with frlg and i agree with that, but without the originals they would've never been remade. But yea like someone said above^ dont mess with HGSS lol, the game is amazing to both old and new fans.

But i dont understand,the reasoning behind most people who back the old ones are the ones who like the glitching. I, however, liked the old ones for what they did, aka bring about pokemon, choose which type you want to start with, a rival, alot of *firsts* that bring about MY nostalgia...i sometimes feel like im the only one that feels this way =/ lol

LightOfTruth March 16th, 2010 9:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Myles (Post 5625134)
Seriously? Walking through those buildings between routes was really annoying with the need to go through the bag every time.

And never being able to store TMs in your bag. Never being able to pick up a loose item on the ground. All you could store was:

Poke Balls
Great Balls
Ultra Balls
Potions
Super Potions
Hyper Potions
Full Restores
Repels
Super Repels
Escape Ropes
Revives
Ethers
Bike
Old Rod
Good Rod
Super Rod
Item Finder
Town Map

And then only two more spaces for Master Balls, Rare Candies, TMs, vitamins, stones, story items, random items on the ground, etc.

Makes the game seem more challenging then the other pokemon games. Guess they wanted to make everything alot easier in Gold/Silver. I feel that Pokemon Red/Blue was rushed out which is the reason why missingno wasn't removed from Cinnabar Island. Mind you the small Kanto in Gold/Silver was a any excuse not to do alot of work ;)

Lati-Fan95 March 16th, 2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LightOfTruth (Post 5625700)
Makes the game seem more challenging then the other pokemon games. Guess they wanted to make everything alot easier in Gold/Silver. I feel that Pokemon Red/Blue was rushed out which is the reason why missingno wasn't removed from Cinnabar Island. Mind you the small Kanto in Gold/Silver was a any excuse not to do alot of work ;)

It actually IS more challenging, but I think it'd quite annoying when you have to go through a cave, pick up an item and find out that you don't have any more space left!^^ (Groundless Item Bag FTW!)

Fr/Lg are killing R/B/Y (same sentence with G/S/C and HG/SS. ) ? Never!^^ FR/LG were epic but they will never be as good as the originals (if you can see above lots of glitches, of course...^^) ! Because I know they're trying hard to make them equal but it's impossible cuz they have a special feeling you only experience when you play the original!^^

Aureol March 16th, 2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lati-Fan95 (Post 5625932)
It actually IS more challenging, but I think it'd quite annoying when you have to go through a cave, pick up an item and find out that you don't have any more space left!^^ (Groundless Item Bag FTW!)

Fr/Lg are killing R/B/Y (same sentence with G/S/C and HG/SS. ) ? Never!^^ FR/LG were epic but they will never be as good as the originals (if you can see above lots of glitches, of course...^^) ! Because I know they're trying hard to make them equal but it's impossible cuz they have a special feeling you only experience when you play the original!^^

As far as the items go, I didn't find it more challenging: I simply found it annoying. I never used in-battle items to be sure, but sometimes not being able to pick up my Moonstones because of worthless Potions was frustrating.

Sadly, I don't think the youngsters or newcomers to Pokemon will find much room for 1st/2nd Generations. I still play them on occasion, but honestly the only thing the earlier games have over the remakes are being first, numerous glitches, lack of future Pokemon and many minor features. Sure, FR/LG will never replace R/B/Y for us, but I just don't see too many people going back if they entered in the 3rd/4th Generations.

So, it's up to us to keep them alive! But I'm doing a horrible job...

Sydian March 16th, 2010 1:17 PM

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Not really. Their bad graphics were put down then too. People just liked them in spite of that.
What the heck? Maybe we're just simple minded here, but we thought they were the greatest things ever. Who honestly cared about graphics on the GameBoy back then? I know we would have cared for the major consoles because of the console wars, but for a portable, I don't think it was regarded in the same way.

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It's not just the graphics either though. The old games had some arkwardness in gameplay. Tiny bag, no pockets, no select button to get on bike, no easy experience to next level checking, no quick HM using, no move descriptions when they're being taught, etc.
That's what we call roughin' it. You honestly think a bag in real life could hold infinite amounts of items? I think it's ridiculous that the DPPHGSS bags can do that. I'll admit, it is nice, but it's not that hard to go to the PC and deposit any items you don't think you'll need. Make room.

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Makes the game seem more challenging then the other pokemon games. Guess they wanted to make everything alot easier in Gold/Silver. I feel that Pokemon Red/Blue was rushed out which is the reason why missingno wasn't removed from Cinnabar Island. Mind you the small Kanto in Gold/Silver was a any excuse not to do alot of work
You said in your first post that you only play RBY for the glitches, which implies that you like them. The missingno. glitch is something that most people seem to enjoy. Even new games have glitches, however minor and unmemorable they may be.

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i never really understood why people take graphics in games so seriously. I guess im kind of the person that can go back and play ANY single game and not say *wow these graphics are horrible* because in all honesty it is what is...

anyway, red and blue are deffinately not dead, and neither are gold and silver. I mean they couldve done a better job with frlg and i agree with that, but without the originals they would've never been remade. But yea like someone said above^ dont mess with HGSS lol, the game is amazing to both old and new fans.

But i dont understand,the reasoning behind most people who back the old ones are the ones who like the glitching. I, however, liked the old ones for what they did, aka bring about pokemon, choose which type you want to start with, a rival, alot of *firsts* that bring about MY nostalgia...i sometimes feel like im the only one that feels this way =/ lol
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Oh wow, updated graphics and a pedometer! This is a totally good way to murder an established generation that millions of people are playing! Wrong.

In general remakes are just a way for Nintendo to pull in the generation who missed G/S/C. If you want it to transfer stuff to D/P/Pt, that's cool, but I'm going to stick to the games with bad graphics, poor music, and sprites that made us go "Holy s**t, that Zubat's blue and purple! And black!"
I like y'all.

Myles March 16th, 2010 9:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 5626387)
What the heck? Maybe we're just simple minded here, but we thought they were the greatest things ever. Who honestly cared about graphics on the GameBoy back then? I know we would have cared for the major consoles because of the console wars, but for a portable, I don't think it was regarded in the same way.

The graphics is one of the bigger things Pokemon got mocked for by haters. And there's nothing worse than a back sprite to kill an otherwise good looking Charizard. Compared to other Game Boy games of its time, it was under par. You can't really blame it for that, but it's true.

And by how good the GBC and GBA were, I'd say people do care about graphics on their Game Boy.

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 5626387)
That's what we call roughin' it. You honestly think a bag in real life could hold infinite amounts of items? I think it's ridiculous that the DPPHGSS bags can do that. I'll admit, it is nice, but it's not that hard to go to the PC and deposit any items you don't think you'll need. Make room.

It doesn't have to be infinite. GSC did well on fixing all those little problems. But pre to that, those little quirks were quite annoying.

RivalGator March 16th, 2010 10:14 PM

Nothing beats the originals. I will still play the originals, even though I own both HeartGold and SoulSilver. Gold, Silver, and Crystal will never die... At least in my eyes. They were a big, actually, rather huge part of my life as a child. I was never caught anywhere without my Gameboy with G/S or C. I wouldn't be caught dead without it.

The new versions are really cool, but there are a lot of things about the originals that I love over the updated. But I do love the updated. They just aren't really as close to my heart.

The Red Chain March 16th, 2010 10:28 PM

You know, I really like the crappy graphics of old school Pokemon for one reason :
It made us use our imagination. Something that seems long ignored now.
The graphics these days paint the picture for you.. so it leaves no room for wild imagination like the old days.
Back then you could go as far as imagining Pokemon in rainbow colors on the old black and white GB.

Or something else silly and obnoxious like that.
But man was that fun. XD


Lord_Sesshoumaru March 17th, 2010 12:45 AM

Remakes kills Originals??? Not in my dictionary...lol
I've been a pokemon fan for a decade now.And what I've noticed is that the originals will always be originals.They are simply fun to play.Simple.
But nowadays it's not simply fun to play with the new gens,I just get fed up with them right away,I just don't know why(it's just my opinion)...oh well.. :)
It's true that the updated graphics and new add-ons are great,especially in HG/SS...(I don't really like the remakes FR and LF)
but just think of it,why did Nintendo make or have to make the remakes(FR/LG/HG/SS or possibly the remakes of R/S in the future if they will release a new story/version)?

Yusshin March 17th, 2010 1:05 AM

I've been a Pokemon fan since the release of Pokemon Red wayyy back lol and nothing killed it; I really enjoyed FRLG and I'm going to enjoy HGSS even more, since S/G/C were the best of the series (got crappy after that, storyline-wise - the addition of new Pokemon does NOT make the game better lol!).

I don't believe that these remakes "killed" anything; Since 2005, I couldn't even touch S/G/C anymore. The graphics were just too outdated, it made me want to regurgitate. The DS really highlights the Johto part of the game series and in my opinion, it's better. It can't take the place of the original, but in present day, it's better than the originals. Graphics are very, very important in any game for 99% of gamers. Music, too, is another major factor. HGSS pulls off both perfectly.

Ninja Caterpie March 17th, 2010 1:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LightOfTruth (Post 5625700)
Mind you the small Kanto in Gold/Silver was a any excuse not to do alot of work ;)

Oh, of course, it's small because Nintendo's lazy. Ever thought that if they were lazy, it might not exist?

It's obviously not because a GBC cart has tiny capabilities.

Porygon-Z March 17th, 2010 2:56 AM

The battle system even in the advance generation sucked, let a lone r/b/s/g/s/c, I wouldn't play any of them again anyway, unless it was for a trip down memory lane.

I mean come on, physical attack and special attack were only separated from move types in D/P/P, and that right there seems pretty essential to a balanced system.

Lord_Sesshoumaru March 17th, 2010 6:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5628090)
The DS really highlights the Johto part of the game series and in my opinion, it's better. It can't take the place of the original, but in present day, it's better than the originals.

Well,what's the purpose of remakes? Is it not to make it better from the originals and to update so that the game itself won't wither away and make it better?

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Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5628090)
Graphics are very, very important in any game for 99% of gamers. Music, too, is another major factor. HGSS pulls off both perfectly.

I agree with that...

Yusshin March 17th, 2010 6:10 AM

Remakes are to update and to allow the newer generation to experience an older generation in better graphics.

So, as said, it's better than the originals, because it improves on the graphics and the music to modern standards. It can't take its place though; the game will always feel nostalgic towards the older versions for those who played the original Gold/Silver/Crystal (like myself).

Since I'm a huge Graphics/Music adorer, I prefer HGSS. Naturally. But G/S/C has its special spot.

Sydian March 17th, 2010 1:54 PM

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And by how good the GBC and GBA were, I'd say people do care about graphics on their Game Boy.
GBC and GBA? I meant the original Game Boy. Not Color nor Advanced. Obviously those are going to have an enhancement. Look at any other game on the GB. Not exactly the prettiest.

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It doesn't have to be infinite. GSC did well on fixing all those little problems. But pre to that, those little quirks were quite annoying.
To reiterate, it's not that hard to dump stuff you won't need til later into your PC. Heck, sell stuff you know you won't use. Even RSE had the "Too bad! Your bag is full!" problem.

Ivysaur March 17th, 2010 1:59 PM

The fun part of a videogame is the gameplay, not the graphics. Super Mario Bros had 8 bit graphics but it's regarded as one of the best games ever. Ocarina of Time is outdated and most people consider it the greatest masterpiece of Nintendo even today.

Back in the old times, we only had 20 empty spots in the bag, because there were some technical limitations. And we lived with them. In fact, it only made the games harder and trickier.

The originals are good, in their own ways. HGSS have improved them by far, but they'll never have the special magic the originals had.

SquirtleGirl March 17th, 2010 2:19 PM

I'm playing my friends' LeafGreen at the minute and I actually like it. True they'll never replace the originals but I'm another sucker for good graphics. It was interesting to see the remakes of certan features like the zoo in front of the Safari Zone and the Dojo Gym in Saffron. It made me go "OMG!" today when I was playing it :P

Not saying that just cause there's a remake I shun the old games, the old graphics were actually brilliant for their time :P

Fli March 17th, 2010 3:15 PM

My first pokemon game was FireRed (I was a deprived child and not allowed to play video games until around 2005- leave me alone) and I happened to really love the game. Did it kill the originals? No, I don't think so (yes I have played r/b/y- gotta love ebay). Besides kill is like hate. It is such a strong word that should be used rarely. And unfortunately for me, I don't have Hg/Ss yet (I don't have enough money) to answer that part of the topic (of course I haven't played G/S/C so I really couldn't answer it anyway).

Summary of my rambling: The originals had a certain charm (glitches being only one of the factors), but the remake (Fr) will always be special to me. Neither "died" imo. :D

~Hot n' Cold~ March 17th, 2010 5:25 PM

Dude, put "I think ..." before because that is not true.
It's your opinion.

I mean, it's crazy the way that people think of Gen 1/2 these days. Sure, better graphics. But Gen 1/2 are the originals. Like Sydian said, there would be no FireRed/LeafGreen or HeartGold/SoulSilver without Red/Blue or Gold/Silver.

Stop making assumptions, n00b.

LightOfTruth March 19th, 2010 11:36 AM

R/B/Y is just nice to show your great grandchildren when you older :)

batmon March 19th, 2010 1:50 PM

No they did not kill them off.


IMO the 8-bit style music is better than the failed remixes of the remakes, just try to compare The Champion theme from RBY to FRLG. The FRLG one sounds so bad, also the dark cave remix sounds horrible. The GSC one sounds dark, eerie, and bass heavy; that made me think I was actually exploring the cave with the player. While the HGSS one sounds optimistic and light hearted

Yuoaman March 19th, 2010 2:28 PM

You can't 'kill' a game. :\

If you still have good memories of playing the originals than how in the hell are they dead?

Luck March 19th, 2010 11:31 PM

You are way too accurate. I found the remakes superior(yeah, lol @ nostalgia) in almost every way, even with Firered being nowhere near the remake it could've been.

Jolene March 20th, 2010 3:36 AM

Lots of Fire Red/Leaf Green hate in this topic. What was wrong with them? They were exactly the same as the originals, but with better sprites, more colours, and better-quality music. All that, and a whole new series of islands to explore.

I enjoyed playing through them a lot more than I did the originals. Maybe it's because I started with Ruby and Sapphire and worked backwards, so the older games seemed kind of primitive when I played them.

Moltres111 March 20th, 2010 4:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolene
Lots of Fire Red/Leaf Green hate in this topic. What was wrong with them? They were exactly the same as the originals, but with better sprites, more colours, and better-quality music. All that, and a whole new series of islands to explore.

Nostalgia is something some people can never get over. That's why some people says G/S/C was better than HG/SS too.

Amarantine March 21st, 2010 6:22 PM

Well i remember when i first bought my pokémon blue, with a GameBoy. It was magical. Then, when silver was released, i received it as a christmas present. It was the best feeling ever. Then i started using ROMS instead of actual cartridges and played Crystal.

The thing is...if you were on the late 90's - early 2000's generation of Pokémon gamers, even if you don't like the graphics, or feel the remakes are better, the old versions will always have a special place for you. At least for me is like that.

If you were on the R/S/E, LG/FR generation, well, it's the same.

In my opinion nothing can beat the classics, not even the best graphics. They're linked to your childhood memories, and those are something hard to replace with prettier looking sprites and better musical quality.

GoldenPokeBall March 21st, 2010 9:44 PM

I like the originals better than the re-makes. Although I love the new games features and such, even the new pokemon are awesome. But the originals were simpler, less complicated and more fun to play. There wasn't this over complicated "this move is psychic but it's still a physical move so it relies on attack instead of special attack." and was more like: "This move is psychic therefore it's special and uses your special attack". Or maybe I just took it personally when my Alakazam lost alot of his strength when they made Thunderpunch, Icepunch and Firepunch physical moves. :D

FreakyLocz14 March 21st, 2010 11:02 PM

While the originals are better I feel the re-makes sort of take you back. They present your childhood memories in the modern fashion, which is cool.
I usually like a game better when it's old then when it's brand spanking new.

Takoto March 22nd, 2010 2:19 AM

It's a matter of opinion.

I haven't got HG/SS yet, but FR/LG were pretty fun... And for me they didn't "kill" the originals at all.

batmon March 22nd, 2010 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolene (Post 5637128)
Lots of Fire Red/Leaf Green hate in this topic. What was wrong with them? They were exactly the same as the originals, but with better sprites, more colours, and better-quality music. All that, and a whole new series of islands to explore.

I enjoyed playing through them a lot more than I did the originals. Maybe it's because I started with Ruby and Sapphire and worked backwards, so the older games seemed kind of primitive when I played them.

They weren't the exact same as the originals, if they were then FRLG would still have good pokemon in Cerulean Cave, Missingno., M, and other glitches would be in, Brock would still be hard if you picked Charmander instead of a pushover, the overworld sprite of Red would be much better, etc. Basically FRLG could of been much better, they even could of had more Johto pokemon for after you beat the game. Especially since there was only like 20 on the Sevii Islands, and RSE had none. Or they even could of made the Sevii Islands The Orange Islands, etc....

/Nostalgia

To the HGSS comment, to me it sems like HGSS encounter ratio is so much higher than the originals. Because of this, I'm progressing like a slug compared to how I usually do in GSC.

WiiMann March 22nd, 2010 4:21 PM

Oh God, the FR/LG were the worst games ever (in my opinion) and would never beat the originals, you would have to be insane or not have played the originals to think they were good.

ilikeluigi March 25th, 2010 7:40 PM

My friend, the classic Pokemon games will NEVER DIE! Ever. (P.S. I thought the remakes were great.)

Aetheria March 26th, 2010 6:58 PM

I find that FR/LG are fairly decent games but they, due to some changes made to the series in the next two gens, are significantly easier and thus in many respects less enjoyable.

Zakki-C-Mo March 27th, 2010 6:39 PM

pokemon were made to battle, and train with for battle, not put frills on and waste time and p for stupid ribbons, i love the oldschool, granted i love playing through hg, ss, lg, and fr, but old school focused on what pokemon was all about.
-admittedly on sapphire, ruby, and emerald i occasionally did contests after i beat the elite 4, but the later gens really take it too far-

Mrchewy March 29th, 2010 3:51 AM

I think people here are letting nostalgia overtake them. R/B were good games, no doubt, but even when I played them as a kid I thought they were flawed in a lot of ways.

MASTERBOSSgodora March 29th, 2010 4:07 AM

I actually prefer FR/LG mostly because LG makes me think of Luigi. And he dominates. But also because although the best generation for pokemon invention was Gen. 1, almost all of my favorites were from later generations - Umbreon, Tyranitar, Aggron, and Breloom. However, I do miss the old glitches...and my level 157 snorlax and my level 148 Muk.

Jellly March 30th, 2010 3:26 AM

I agree with a lot of other posters here in that the new games will never kill the classics.

I mean from a technical standpoint, the HG and SS are better in just about everything. For some reason, however, the old school 2nd gen just seems so much better.

For me, the old school shoddy graphics are more appealing than the newer graphics. I was watching my sister play her new SS and the new graphics just didn't feel right for me. I'll probably get HG eventually but it'll never be the same as good ol 2nd gen gold - for me at least. It's too complicated (not that I'm simple minded or anything), but I just liked it more when it was more basic and not as gimmicky or with special abilities etc. :)

WriteThemWrong April 4th, 2010 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrchewy (Post 5660988)
I think people here are letting nostalgia overtake them. R/B were good games, no doubt, but even when I played them as a kid I thought they were flawed in a lot of ways.

they were extremely frustrating for me. playing red, blue, and yellow was annoying on many levels, team rockets stupid warp pads, certain points in the game when you don't know where to go next, annoying dungeons/mansions. I had to borrow a friends guide book to make it a few times. It could have been the fact that i was young and wasn't as smart but the games were targeted at kids.

pokemon types and movesets were also annoying and weighted more toward certain types. dragon was a mystery, why were there only 3, why where gust/comet punch/etc normal attacks. The list goes on now that there have been updates but these new versions are a way to play the games of the good ol days in a more streamlined way

RTHookers April 4th, 2010 12:45 AM

Without FR/LG there would be no HG/SS. Watch your words.

Riverwind April 4th, 2010 6:03 AM

Well, we wouldn't have these remakes if it hadn't of been for the orignals.

Xtazyz April 4th, 2010 9:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loliwin (Post 5622098)
Firered and Leafgreen were crap, but it made me remember R/B again. :)
Same with HG/SS. >.<

I think they shouldve done a Yellow remake. That would be just awesome!

they kinda of did, HG&SS pokemons follow you and have emotions
bouth are great i love em all

Zakki-C-Mo April 4th, 2010 7:34 PM

I agree that the new games did fix things, but gold ad silver (the originals) were in my opinion the best gen, i mean, they made moves the types they should have been, they had puzzles that made you think, but were still pretty simple, and the in battle graphics were still pretty good, and if you played type advantage, and attack boosting items (nevermeltice, charcoal, etc.) the gym leaders and even the elite 4 are quite simple to beat. (my 1st time beating the elite 4 i had a lv. 43 Raikou (i used my masterball to cap it), lv.40 Kadabra, lv. 38 Typhlosion, lv.39 lapras, lv. 40 suicune, and lv. 38 pidgeot) well i was playing crystal tho, lol

Ryuusei Red April 6th, 2010 5:41 PM

Pokemon Red will always remain my favorite Pokemon game. I was a little disappointed to find out just how different Pokemon FireRed was from Pokemon Red... -sighs- I guess the added islands messed up the game for me, and the remastered music... I miss the 8-bit tracks from Pokemon Red....such nostalgia, but lucky for me, I can play the original anytime. Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver are ok remakes, but for some reason....they just will not beat the original G&S series, and I believe that alot of people will agree with me. The old school trainers that is.

.hack April 6th, 2010 5:47 PM

G/S/C will never properly die IMO :3
Even if HGSS was terrible G/S/C would still live on as I know a big group of people who would continue playing the games because the originals kick ass.
And same goes for R/B/Y...

Ryuusei Red April 6th, 2010 5:50 PM

The originals are still really good, so that's understandable.

WriteThemWrong April 6th, 2010 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryuusei Red (Post 5690011)
I guess the added islands messed up the game for me, and the remastered music... I miss the 8-bit tracks from Pokemon Red....such nostalgia, but lucky for me, I can play the original anytime.

the music from the originals games were amazing like symphonies they were. i never realized it as a kid but playing it through now i love it

Annunaku April 7th, 2010 12:04 AM

Killed them, I wouldn't go so far as to say that... but I think the remakes were for the best.

Conor April 7th, 2010 12:19 AM

I would of liked FR/LG a lot more if they would have stick to the original 150+1 pokemon :(

Hessian April 7th, 2010 10:33 AM

I couldn't play HG for more than 30 minutes straight, and then a friend of mine redirected me to a 17-in-1 Pokemon emulator including all the games before Platinum. I immediately spent the rest of the day playing Crystal and Blue :S

coconutberry April 9th, 2010 5:57 AM

My first Pokemon game was Sapphire, so when I got LeafGreen, I didn't have any nostalgia for R/B/Y to compare it to. I eventually did play Blue later, and I lost interest pretty quickly... It just wasn't the same for me. I missed the full color graphics and the music of LeafGreen.

In addition, I did play G/S/C (all three of 'em) due to lack of a Johto remake. I had always wished that they would remake Johto, because I wasn't fond of the old graphics. Needless to say, I was VERY happy when I found out about HG/SS, and I prefer it over G/S/C.

I honestly don't think the remakes are intended to replace the originals -- rather, they're intended to introduce the younger generations to the classics with something they won't discard as "too old". It may be a "remake", but I see them as completely different games -- a new experience for new fans. They don't kill anything.

PokemonLeagueChamp April 9th, 2010 6:08 AM

The classics aren't dead! Dammit, I've got Pokemon Yellow, FireRed, LeafGreen, Gold, SoulSilver, and Crystal so don't you go spoutin off that they're dead!

Seriously though, you can't replace the originals, only remake and update for next generation systems and gamers. I haven't played RBY in AGES so I can't honestly compare them to the remakes but I just beat Crystal(for the 35th time)and I can tell you that HGSS took what made the original GSC awesome and multiplied it several times over. But I still play my good old Gold and Crystal, because they're still good, still working(thank God), and still alive.

Gidget April 9th, 2010 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aureol (Post 5620684)
I'm sorry, but I'm a sucker for graphics. The originals have their place, and they will always be great, but I can never go back to them.

Makes me kind of sad, actually.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiskit (Post 5620952)
They were an upgrade in graphics, though the originals are awesome. Another thing is that now you can also be a girl, in the originals, you couldn't.


Yeah, I agree with all of this. I have great memories playing my Red version to death when it first came out, but looking back on it, I dunno how I was able to stand the gameplay. Also, how the original Gameboy's screen blurred when you walked around. The originals will always have a place in my childhood memories, but the new gameplay and graphics are what I'm all about now.

ultimatedood April 10th, 2010 8:33 PM

Agreed. FRLG sucked, I hated it. I wanted a gold/silver remake for YEARS, and FINALLY its out

I Laugh at your Misfortune! April 11th, 2010 7:10 AM

I've never got why people hated on FR/LG. I'm doing a monotype challenge right now and I'm on blue. And I keep thinking, "my god, I wish I'd done this on the remakes instead".

I had blue when I was young, so it's not like I don't have nostalgia...but FR/LG is just R/B with better graphics and a few extra, completely optional bits.

And the music? R/B music was tinny and annoying, just like most game music for the Gameboy. At least the FR/LG music doesn't make your ears bleed.

Rucario April 11th, 2010 8:12 AM

I really liked FR/LG and I had a lot of fun. I still do like Red and Blue, but FR/LG is sort of just a modernized version of it.

Somber April 11th, 2010 10:20 AM

The Remakes, though are technically much better, will never replace the original red/blue/silver/gold in my heart

Wings Don't Cry April 11th, 2010 12:36 PM

I never thought that they killed them, with Fr/Lg being so bad(IMO) I wanted to play R/B again even more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myles (Post 5625134)
Seriously? Walking through those buildings between routes was really annoying with the need to go through the bag every time.

And never being able to store TMs in your bag. Never being able to pick up a loose item on the ground. All you could store was:

Poke Balls
Great Balls
Ultra Balls
Potions
Super Potions
Hyper Potions
Full Restores
Repels
Super Repels
Escape Ropes
Revives
Ethers
Bike
Old Rod
Good Rod
Super Rod
Item Finder
Town Map

And then only two more spaces for Master Balls, Rare Candies, TMs, vitamins, stones, story items, random items on the ground, etc.

The sad part was I put everything I wanted in the PC and that filled up is well.

Dullstar April 11th, 2010 1:31 PM

What's with all the FireRed/LeafGreen hate? I thought they took what was wrong with Red and Blue and fixed it. Then again, Gold was the first one I had, which looked WAY better than Red/Blue. I like Red/Blue, but I think that the graphics REALLY could have been better. Come on, the gameboy should have been at least able to support non-pixellated back sprites! And this is coming from someone who really doesn't care that much about graphics...

I generally treat the remakes as different games, although I do compare them to their corresponding originals. After all, there are enough modifications to be considered different.

Arcelio April 11th, 2010 2:30 PM

I, personally, didn't enjoy Fire-Red, or Leaf-Green. Not because they weren't good additions to the Pokemon franchise, which they were, but because I felt I kept getting a feeling of nostalgia, and not the good kind either. More of the 'I've been here, I already know what I have to do, can we just get this over with already?' kind of nostalgia. Fire-Red and Leaf-Green both had their good points, but, to me, I felt that they were the worst versions in the series. I just didn't feel the spark that I did when I first picked up Pokemon Red and plugged it into my Gameboy Pocket. The rush was just... gone.

HeartGold and SoulSilver however, is a different story entirely. I didn't really appreciate the female lead changing, since I felt that that changing it was taking away from the memories and idealistic fantasies I had about the Gold and Silver remakes. I always imagined Gold, Kris, and Silver in 3D, running around Johto and Kanto. Instead, I got Gold (or Jimmy, depending on who you ask), Lyra (or Kotone, once again, depending on who you ask), and Silver (who's history was actually explained this time). The nostalgia was there in HeartGold and SoulSilver, but there were enough changes to make the experience fresh. From having a Pokemon follow behind you (a throwback to Pokemon Yellow), to chasing down the Legendary Dogs, to battling Red atop Mt. Silver. Every memory from my childhood was brought to life in HeartGold and SoulSilver, and they brought friends.

I think HeartGold and SoulSilver were the best games of the 4th generation, just because I didn't feel like Diamond/Platinum/Pearl were really adding anything to the series as a whole. Yes, some new Pokemon, along with new abilities, were added, and (obviously) everything was in 3D, which I felt was a big step in the right direction with Pokemon. But, in the end, to me, it just felt lacking of something. Platinum didn't change much from Diamond/Pearl, besides the Competitive Meta-Game, move accuracy changes, 'formes', and the Lost Dimension (which I nicknamed the Negative Dimension).

So, in my opinion, this is the list of how the Pokemon...


1.) Pokemon Red/Blue/Green/Yellow
2.) Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
3.) Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver
4.) Pokemon Diamond/Platinum/Pearl
5.) Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald
6.) Pokemon Fire-Red/Leaf-Green

UmbreonUniverse April 17th, 2010 10:16 AM

I am playing pokemon heart gold and sometimes pokemon red but I hate it when people say the re-makes are more better then the original with some things thay are but COME ON!!! its the original you can get more nastalgic then that!

dragonite trainer April 18th, 2010 2:50 PM

I feel the same way. I waited months for HGSS, and quickly found my old gbc and started playing gold and red again.

Tater Tot April 24th, 2010 8:17 AM

How did FR/LG and HG/SS kill the originals? o__o They're just remakes, they're not supposed to be amazing. And in my opinion, they exceeded my expectations. ESPECIALLY HG/SS. Sure, they're not near as good as the originals, but they're better than they could be.

Cloud197 April 24th, 2010 7:02 PM

In my honest opinion, nothing will ever beat the nostalgic feelings R/B/Y or G/S/C will ever give me. I mean, I loved the games for their awesome game play, and also the blocky graphics and bloopy music. I have the OST's on my iPod! In all seriousness, if I didn't adore the ability of online game play, I would probably stick with the original GB and GBC games. Don't et me wrong, I loved the remakes because they were like expansions of the originals fit for more modern day gaming, but man, nothing beats the memories of opening up that blue, thin cardboard box with a Blastoise on it, being an eager 6 year old, popping it into my ice blue gameboy pocket, and starting an adventure that I had no idea would forever be held in my mind and change my life forever.

Xyrin April 24th, 2010 7:28 PM

Even though I was born AFTER Red and Blue, I got it first. (I never noticed I played obtained the game in order.) I loved it. (My 5 year old brain got lost in Cerulean cave) I still like the old games and love the music. But still. There are so much stuff in HGSS and FRLG. Such as graphics. Wifi, for HGSS. But I still wish my battery for gold work. It might still but the last time I tried to play it. Save file POOF.

Fxcking Tatertots April 24th, 2010 7:28 PM

I think threads like this killed G/S/C and R/B/Y. When will people learn and realize that things change?

Nostalgia is overrated. The past is the past, and nothing could change it.

Really, man, I can't stand elitism. Shut up and enjoy the game. Fandom is such a fickle thing.

Ecstatic April 28th, 2010 11:58 AM

I fail to see how both of the remakes killed these games, sure, they aren't sold in stores, but the nostalgia will always stick with most people in this forum, because most people in this forum grew up with Generation I And II. So, in my honest opionion, I won't agree, and will never agree, with your statement, but thank you for putting up this discussion.

DarkZelda April 28th, 2010 12:04 PM

FR/LG did the originals no justice. I'm honestly not a fan of the R/S/E graphics anyway.
However, the HG/SS remakes I thought were better than FR/LG.
I kinda wish they did the R/B remakes in the 3D graphics, like HG/SS.

And nostalgia comes in to play. lol.

LightOfTruth April 29th, 2010 6:41 AM

I remember Pokemon Red and Blue very well. I stopped playing it when Firered/Leafgreen come out :)

GlitchCity May 1st, 2010 3:42 PM

What? WHAT? So you're saying that FR/LG killed RBHGSS? Are you serious? Heh sorry bud, but there would be no Heartgold or Soulsilver (which are sequals to FR/LG) without FR/LG. Besides I didnt like the originals after I got Leafgreen. Yellow got on my nerves, and Blue was ugh. If you want to deny everything that the 3rd generation games; Firered and Leafgreen, did for Heartgold and Soulsilver (and future games), then you have to rethink your logic.


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