The PokéCommunity Forums

The PokéCommunity Forums (https://www.pokecommunity.com/index.php)
-   Previous Generations (https://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=200)
-   -   2nd Gen Firered/Leafgreen has killed Red/Blue and Heartgold/Soulsilver killed Gold/Silver (https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=210808)

RivalGator March 16th, 2010 10:14 PM

Nothing beats the originals. I will still play the originals, even though I own both HeartGold and SoulSilver. Gold, Silver, and Crystal will never die... At least in my eyes. They were a big, actually, rather huge part of my life as a child. I was never caught anywhere without my Gameboy with G/S or C. I wouldn't be caught dead without it.

The new versions are really cool, but there are a lot of things about the originals that I love over the updated. But I do love the updated. They just aren't really as close to my heart.

The Red Chain March 16th, 2010 10:28 PM

You know, I really like the crappy graphics of old school Pokemon for one reason :
It made us use our imagination. Something that seems long ignored now.
The graphics these days paint the picture for you.. so it leaves no room for wild imagination like the old days.
Back then you could go as far as imagining Pokemon in rainbow colors on the old black and white GB.

Or something else silly and obnoxious like that.
But man was that fun. XD


Lord_Sesshoumaru March 17th, 2010 12:45 AM

Remakes kills Originals??? Not in my dictionary...lol
I've been a pokemon fan for a decade now.And what I've noticed is that the originals will always be originals.They are simply fun to play.Simple.
But nowadays it's not simply fun to play with the new gens,I just get fed up with them right away,I just don't know why(it's just my opinion)...oh well.. :)
It's true that the updated graphics and new add-ons are great,especially in HG/SS...(I don't really like the remakes FR and LF)
but just think of it,why did Nintendo make or have to make the remakes(FR/LG/HG/SS or possibly the remakes of R/S in the future if they will release a new story/version)?

Yusshin March 17th, 2010 1:05 AM

I've been a Pokemon fan since the release of Pokemon Red wayyy back lol and nothing killed it; I really enjoyed FRLG and I'm going to enjoy HGSS even more, since S/G/C were the best of the series (got crappy after that, storyline-wise - the addition of new Pokemon does NOT make the game better lol!).

I don't believe that these remakes "killed" anything; Since 2005, I couldn't even touch S/G/C anymore. The graphics were just too outdated, it made me want to regurgitate. The DS really highlights the Johto part of the game series and in my opinion, it's better. It can't take the place of the original, but in present day, it's better than the originals. Graphics are very, very important in any game for 99% of gamers. Music, too, is another major factor. HGSS pulls off both perfectly.

Ninja Caterpie March 17th, 2010 1:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightOfTruth (Post 5625700)
Mind you the small Kanto in Gold/Silver was a any excuse not to do alot of work ;)

Oh, of course, it's small because Nintendo's lazy. Ever thought that if they were lazy, it might not exist?

It's obviously not because a GBC cart has tiny capabilities.

Porygon-Z March 17th, 2010 2:56 AM

The battle system even in the advance generation sucked, let a lone r/b/s/g/s/c, I wouldn't play any of them again anyway, unless it was for a trip down memory lane.

I mean come on, physical attack and special attack were only separated from move types in D/P/P, and that right there seems pretty essential to a balanced system.

Lord_Sesshoumaru March 17th, 2010 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5628090)
The DS really highlights the Johto part of the game series and in my opinion, it's better. It can't take the place of the original, but in present day, it's better than the originals.

Well,what's the purpose of remakes? Is it not to make it better from the originals and to update so that the game itself won't wither away and make it better?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5628090)
Graphics are very, very important in any game for 99% of gamers. Music, too, is another major factor. HGSS pulls off both perfectly.

I agree with that...

Yusshin March 17th, 2010 6:10 AM

Remakes are to update and to allow the newer generation to experience an older generation in better graphics.

So, as said, it's better than the originals, because it improves on the graphics and the music to modern standards. It can't take its place though; the game will always feel nostalgic towards the older versions for those who played the original Gold/Silver/Crystal (like myself).

Since I'm a huge Graphics/Music adorer, I prefer HGSS. Naturally. But G/S/C has its special spot.

Sydian March 17th, 2010 1:54 PM

Quote:

And by how good the GBC and GBA were, I'd say people do care about graphics on their Game Boy.
GBC and GBA? I meant the original Game Boy. Not Color nor Advanced. Obviously those are going to have an enhancement. Look at any other game on the GB. Not exactly the prettiest.

Quote:

It doesn't have to be infinite. GSC did well on fixing all those little problems. But pre to that, those little quirks were quite annoying.
To reiterate, it's not that hard to dump stuff you won't need til later into your PC. Heck, sell stuff you know you won't use. Even RSE had the "Too bad! Your bag is full!" problem.

Ivysaur March 17th, 2010 1:59 PM

The fun part of a videogame is the gameplay, not the graphics. Super Mario Bros had 8 bit graphics but it's regarded as one of the best games ever. Ocarina of Time is outdated and most people consider it the greatest masterpiece of Nintendo even today.

Back in the old times, we only had 20 empty spots in the bag, because there were some technical limitations. And we lived with them. In fact, it only made the games harder and trickier.

The originals are good, in their own ways. HGSS have improved them by far, but they'll never have the special magic the originals had.

SquirtleGirl March 17th, 2010 2:19 PM

I'm playing my friends' LeafGreen at the minute and I actually like it. True they'll never replace the originals but I'm another sucker for good graphics. It was interesting to see the remakes of certan features like the zoo in front of the Safari Zone and the Dojo Gym in Saffron. It made me go "OMG!" today when I was playing it :P

Not saying that just cause there's a remake I shun the old games, the old graphics were actually brilliant for their time :P

Fli March 17th, 2010 3:15 PM

My first pokemon game was FireRed (I was a deprived child and not allowed to play video games until around 2005- leave me alone) and I happened to really love the game. Did it kill the originals? No, I don't think so (yes I have played r/b/y- gotta love ebay). Besides kill is like hate. It is such a strong word that should be used rarely. And unfortunately for me, I don't have Hg/Ss yet (I don't have enough money) to answer that part of the topic (of course I haven't played G/S/C so I really couldn't answer it anyway).

Summary of my rambling: The originals had a certain charm (glitches being only one of the factors), but the remake (Fr) will always be special to me. Neither "died" imo. :D

~Hot n' Cold~ March 17th, 2010 5:25 PM

Dude, put "I think ..." before because that is not true.
It's your opinion.

I mean, it's crazy the way that people think of Gen 1/2 these days. Sure, better graphics. But Gen 1/2 are the originals. Like Sydian said, there would be no FireRed/LeafGreen or HeartGold/SoulSilver without Red/Blue or Gold/Silver.

Stop making assumptions, n00b.

LightOfTruth March 19th, 2010 11:36 AM

R/B/Y is just nice to show your great grandchildren when you older :)

batmon March 19th, 2010 1:50 PM

No they did not kill them off.


IMO the 8-bit style music is better than the failed remixes of the remakes, just try to compare The Champion theme from RBY to FRLG. The FRLG one sounds so bad, also the dark cave remix sounds horrible. The GSC one sounds dark, eerie, and bass heavy; that made me think I was actually exploring the cave with the player. While the HGSS one sounds optimistic and light hearted

Yuoaman March 19th, 2010 2:28 PM

You can't 'kill' a game. :\

If you still have good memories of playing the originals than how in the hell are they dead?

Luck March 19th, 2010 11:31 PM

You are way too accurate. I found the remakes superior(yeah, lol @ nostalgia) in almost every way, even with Firered being nowhere near the remake it could've been.

Jolene March 20th, 2010 3:36 AM

Lots of Fire Red/Leaf Green hate in this topic. What was wrong with them? They were exactly the same as the originals, but with better sprites, more colours, and better-quality music. All that, and a whole new series of islands to explore.

I enjoyed playing through them a lot more than I did the originals. Maybe it's because I started with Ruby and Sapphire and worked backwards, so the older games seemed kind of primitive when I played them.

Moltres111 March 20th, 2010 4:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolene
Lots of Fire Red/Leaf Green hate in this topic. What was wrong with them? They were exactly the same as the originals, but with better sprites, more colours, and better-quality music. All that, and a whole new series of islands to explore.

Nostalgia is something some people can never get over. That's why some people says G/S/C was better than HG/SS too.

Amarantine March 21st, 2010 6:22 PM

Well i remember when i first bought my pokémon blue, with a GameBoy. It was magical. Then, when silver was released, i received it as a christmas present. It was the best feeling ever. Then i started using ROMS instead of actual cartridges and played Crystal.

The thing is...if you were on the late 90's - early 2000's generation of Pokémon gamers, even if you don't like the graphics, or feel the remakes are better, the old versions will always have a special place for you. At least for me is like that.

If you were on the R/S/E, LG/FR generation, well, it's the same.

In my opinion nothing can beat the classics, not even the best graphics. They're linked to your childhood memories, and those are something hard to replace with prettier looking sprites and better musical quality.

GoldenPokeBall March 21st, 2010 9:44 PM

I like the originals better than the re-makes. Although I love the new games features and such, even the new pokemon are awesome. But the originals were simpler, less complicated and more fun to play. There wasn't this over complicated "this move is psychic but it's still a physical move so it relies on attack instead of special attack." and was more like: "This move is psychic therefore it's special and uses your special attack". Or maybe I just took it personally when my Alakazam lost alot of his strength when they made Thunderpunch, Icepunch and Firepunch physical moves. :D

FreakyLocz14 March 21st, 2010 11:02 PM

While the originals are better I feel the re-makes sort of take you back. They present your childhood memories in the modern fashion, which is cool.
I usually like a game better when it's old then when it's brand spanking new.

Takoto March 22nd, 2010 2:19 AM

It's a matter of opinion.

I haven't got HG/SS yet, but FR/LG were pretty fun... And for me they didn't "kill" the originals at all.

batmon March 22nd, 2010 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolene (Post 5637128)
Lots of Fire Red/Leaf Green hate in this topic. What was wrong with them? They were exactly the same as the originals, but with better sprites, more colours, and better-quality music. All that, and a whole new series of islands to explore.

I enjoyed playing through them a lot more than I did the originals. Maybe it's because I started with Ruby and Sapphire and worked backwards, so the older games seemed kind of primitive when I played them.

They weren't the exact same as the originals, if they were then FRLG would still have good pokemon in Cerulean Cave, Missingno., M, and other glitches would be in, Brock would still be hard if you picked Charmander instead of a pushover, the overworld sprite of Red would be much better, etc. Basically FRLG could of been much better, they even could of had more Johto pokemon for after you beat the game. Especially since there was only like 20 on the Sevii Islands, and RSE had none. Or they even could of made the Sevii Islands The Orange Islands, etc....

/Nostalgia

To the HGSS comment, to me it sems like HGSS encounter ratio is so much higher than the originals. Because of this, I'm progressing like a slug compared to how I usually do in GSC.

WiiMann March 22nd, 2010 4:21 PM

Oh God, the FR/LG were the worst games ever (in my opinion) and would never beat the originals, you would have to be insane or not have played the originals to think they were good.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 7:59 AM.


Like our Facebook Page Follow us on Twitter © 2002 - 2018 The PokéCommunity™, pokecommunity.com.
Pokémon characters and images belong to The Pokémon Company International and Nintendo. This website is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by Nintendo, Creatures, GAMEFREAK, The Pokémon Company or The Pokémon Company International. We just love Pokémon.
All forum styles, their images (unless noted otherwise) and site designs are © 2002 - 2016 The PokéCommunity / PokéCommunity.com.
PokéCommunity™ is a trademark of The PokéCommunity. All rights reserved. Sponsor advertisements do not imply our endorsement of that product or service. User generated content remains the property of its creator.

Acknowledgements
Use of PokéCommunity Assets
vB Optimise by DragonByte Technologies Ltd © 2023.