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Sudeki March 14th, 2010 12:45 PM

Cloning Disccusion.
 
Well we all know that they fixed the cloning thing for the GTS in these newest versions, but that was a hasle to do anyways

NOTE:
Since some people still apparently don't understand the point of this thread, its for disscusion of cloning, and cloning theorys. You can post your theorys, and your results.

If you don't like, or Approve of cloning, don't bother with the thread.

Muffin™ March 14th, 2010 12:52 PM

WHAT. AN. EPIC. FAIL. NINTENDO.

Wow, never found out that before. Thanks!

Sudeki March 14th, 2010 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muffin™ (Post 5620763)
WHAT. AN. EPIC. FAIL. NINTENDO.

Wow, never found out that before. Thanks!

Yeah no kidding, the fact that its super fast, super easy, and you can clone anything unlike the GTS, Its really funny :P.

gkenzx March 14th, 2010 12:55 PM

Epic Fail @ Nintendo :)

I wouldve never figured that out, thanks!

curiousnathan March 14th, 2010 12:56 PM

Shooosh! You're making me even itcher for the game!
Nah, just kidding, BUT I still can't wait for the game!
Hehe, cool never knew that before!
^ AND.IT.WAS.A.REALLY.BIG.FAIL.NINTENDO.

Panfisha March 14th, 2010 12:57 PM

Oh gawsh, this sounds like fun. Too bad I have nothing to clone yet. :p

Sudeki March 14th, 2010 12:57 PM

Although I know exactly why it works, and will work every time, its because the game sends the data to the Pokewalker before it saves it, so you end up having the data on the pokewalker, and the game. lol

curiousnathan March 14th, 2010 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sudeki (Post 5620793)
Although I know exactly why it works, and will work every time, its because the game sends the data to the Pokewalker before it saves it, so you end up having the data on the pokewalker, and the game. lol

Haha! You can be me little detective! Hehe. Chop Chop! Awesome dude fantastic findings! Congrats!

Sudeki March 14th, 2010 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curious. (Post 5620798)
Haha! You can be me little detective! Hehe. Chop Chop! Awesome dude fantastic findings! Congrats!

I didn't really mean too lol, I was sending my starter to do some more walking, and accidently turned off my ds when it was saving, when I turned it back on, I got (Game save corrupted(Blahblah), Loaded it up, and bam got my starter in my pc, and still on my pokewalker lol.

MegaKuriboh March 14th, 2010 1:09 PM

wow thats awesome thanks man!

NatureKeeper March 14th, 2010 1:11 PM

Oh, Nintendo. That's failure to you. But Pokémon to me.

Panfisha March 14th, 2010 1:11 PM

I just tried it, and when I tried to return from the stroll, it said "pokemon was released into the wild."

TheAppleFreak March 14th, 2010 1:13 PM

NEW CLONING GLITCH!?!!?!

*dies from sheer awesomeness of being able to clone Gen IV Pokémon too*

How long do you have to wait until turning the game off?

Sudeki March 14th, 2010 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panfisha (Post 5620839)
I just tried it, and when I tried to return from the stroll, it said "pokemon was released into the wild."

Thats funky :P, I never bothered to return it, just accidently found it out awhile ago, never really bothered to try it more, as I don't have any reason to clone lol. It could be a start, maybe there is something else you need to do?

Panfisha March 14th, 2010 1:21 PM

Well if you can't return the pokemon from the walker, then it's technically not cloning. All you do is mess with your save file. :/

Cheesymitten March 14th, 2010 1:21 PM

So at last,
We finally have a cloning glitch..
This is good news, however, there must be some draw back, like deleting save files and whatnot.
But, whatever.

Honest March 14th, 2010 1:22 PM

Wow, epic fail Nintendo. Tsk Tsk

Damn, I REALLY want the game in my hands sooooo bad. D :

How do people find these things out????

Sudeki March 14th, 2010 1:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panfisha (Post 5620879)
Well if you can't return the pokemon from the walker, then it's technically not cloning. All you do is mess with your save file. :/

That sucks, maybe there is some weird mojo thing you gotta do? xD
I havn't tried anything with it since I found it will go to the pokewalker.

I Tried Voodoo Once March 14th, 2010 2:27 PM

Can you get a video of it up?

thanks :D

Cheesymitten March 14th, 2010 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sudeki (Post 5620895)
That sucks, maybe there is some weird mojo thing you gotta do? xD
I havn't tried anything with it since I found it will go to the pokewalker.

How about after you've "corrupted the save file" or whatever, you've still got that Pokemon in your Pokéwalker thing right? Well your "cloned" Pokemon, I mean the most obvious place for the pokemon would be in the PC or your party right? Well what if it was somewhere else? For example I know there's a Day Care nyeah.. "relatively" early in the game if you rush, so what about putting the Pokemon in there then take out the Pokemon from the Pokéwalker, it'd be nice if someone tried it out XD
But yeah o.o

I know it sounds stupid.
It was an idea.
And no I don't have the game. I'm from UK 8D
And yes I'm speculating about the existence of cloning in this game.

I'll just go sit in the corner and wait for harsh comments thrown at me

snap12 March 14th, 2010 3:53 PM

Yeah, I'd like to see a video also Sudeki!
I believe you of course, but I'd just like top see your technique :)

MegaKuriboh March 14th, 2010 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheesymitten (Post 5621185)
How about after you've "corrupted the save file" or whatever, you've still got that Pokemon in your Pokéwalker thing right? Well your "cloned" Pokemon, I mean the most obvious place for the pokemon would be in the PC or your party right? Well what if it was somewhere else? For example I know there's a Day Care nyeah.. "relatively" early in the game if you rush, so what about putting the Pokemon in there then take out the Pokemon from the Pokéwalker, it'd be nice if someone tried it out XD
But yeah o.o

I know it sounds stupid.
It was an idea.
And no I don't have the game. I'm from UK 8D
And yes I'm speculating about the existence of cloning in this game.

I'll just go sit in the corner and wait for harsh comments thrown at me

Actually it sounds like a good idea!Someone should try that ( I would but I don't have the game yet unfortunately)

RockmanEXE March 14th, 2010 4:16 PM

Dr. Fuji would be very proud.

I think I'll test this out later.

TheAppleFreak March 14th, 2010 4:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheesymitten (Post 5621185)
How about after you've "corrupted the save file" or whatever, you've still got that Pokemon in your Pokéwalker thing right? Well your "cloned" Pokemon, I mean the most obvious place for the pokemon would be in the PC or your party right? Well what if it was somewhere else? For example I know there's a Day Care nyeah.. "relatively" early in the game if you rush, so what about putting the Pokemon in there then take out the Pokemon from the Pokéwalker, it'd be nice if someone tried it out XD
But yeah o.o

I know it sounds stupid.
It was an idea.
And no I don't have the game. I'm from UK 8D
And yes I'm speculating about the existence of cloning in this game.

I'll just go sit in the corner and wait for harsh comments thrown at me

As Kevin said, it sounds reasonable. Only thing is, it might take a while to get up to Rule-- er, Route 34 to test that hypothesis.

It's actually a good hypothesis. Given how when you put a Pokémon into the Daycare in D/P/Pt and then synchronize the game card with Battle Rev, only for it to bleep at you saying the Pokémon doesn't exist anymore, I could see this working as well.

OFF TO ROUTE 34!

bobandbill March 14th, 2010 11:13 PM

Idk, as I haven't gotten the game yet, but I'm doubtful about it working. =/ Think it's done so you can't lose your Pokemon, but if you try to exploit it to clone, it only gives you the non-Pokewalker-ed one back (i.e. any exp gained isn't received), or so I recall..., and a second isn't given to you, just deleted.

But I'll leave this open for more confirmation either way just to make sure - but if it turns out to be false, then this'll be closed.

Cheesymitten March 14th, 2010 11:48 PM

I read on Serebii actually something like this, it said about "losing" your Poké Walker so then it gives you another Pokemon however if you "find it again" then obviously it's going to delete the one in your Poké walker in your game. What I'm saying is my last idea was stupid. The Pokémon can still be uh "detected" in your game >.>
However what if it was in someone else's game. I don't see it being detected there?
Couldn't you just trade it over, take out the Pokemon from a walk, trade back your original Pokemon. As they are both now in your games.

I'm not sure what would happen.. But I don't really see it messing anything up.
I mean, understandably the game might freeze, or it might even come up with an error message and stop you trading.. but I haven't got the game yet so I can't test out what will happen.
Also this is much easier than just going to a Daycare isn't it trading with someone? XD
Far more earlier into the game to try and "prove"

bobandbill March 15th, 2010 12:30 AM

Quote:

However what if it was in someone else's game. I don't see it being detected there?
Couldn't you just trade it over, take out the Pokemon from a walk, trade back your original Pokemon. As they are both now in your games.
If you mean trade the Pokemon in the Pokewalker to someone else's game, that won't work. Pokewalker only works with one game at a time, and to work with another it has to be 'removed' from the 1st HGSS cartridge to be able to communicate with another game - so it can only 'trade' Pokemon to one game full stop unless you swtich and that requires it being empty (or if not it just wipes the memory and you get your Pokemon back without exp), or leastways that's my understanding of it.

Myles March 15th, 2010 1:02 AM

Pokemon don't have IDs (only OTs and national dex numbers :P) in the game. It can't check that its a duplicate. Even if you released the original I highly doubt it would make it work.

Anyway, any appologies to Nintendo, anyone? Anyone? No? Okay then...

Arty2 March 15th, 2010 3:37 AM

The Pokemon never leaves the game, no matter what is displayed on the Pokewalker. Turning the game off when it's saving allows the walker to display it but the "transfer" is never registered.
Nothing is ever transfered to the Pokewalker thus your Pokemon are always safe as mentioned in the booklet.

Eyaare March 15th, 2010 6:06 AM

I think we need to partially go on what Arty2 said, although I'd disagree with the last sentence.... of course the pokemon gets to the pokewalker, silly, otherwise I wouldn't have a Sentret named "Sentry" hanging around in my pocket. Because the save you're trying to skip to clone is on the DS itself, not on the Pokewalker. Pokemon are transfered, they're just also saved on the DS just in case.

Regardless, the save we're skipping saves the transfer.

You try to reconnect the pokewalker, but your game's logs don't remember there being a transfer. So it's like "Sorry we messed up. We'll make it right."

Maybe if we could get an AR code developed to accept the pokemon without the transfer saved, that would clone, but also defeat the purpose of having a non-AR cloning glitch...

EDIT: See? We have AR codes already. (US Version, of course)
::Use either Hold L or Hold R only, do not use both

::Hold [L] While Switching to Clone PKMN
:::The first choice you choose will be the PKMN you clone! require screen refresh
1207484C 0000231D
94000130 FDFF0000
1207484C 0000E008
D2000000 00000000

::Hold [R] While Switching to Clone PKMN
:::The first choice you choose will be the PKMN you clone! require screen refresh
1207484C 0000231D
94000130 FEFF0000
1207484C 0000E008
D2000000 00000000

(And don't be stupid... I KNOW that this thread is looking for answers other than cloning. This is just extra information to those who want it.)

Esmas March 15th, 2010 7:03 AM

Is there a certain time you have to save it when it's saving to clone a Pokémon? Or is it just anytime while it's saving?

Eyaare March 15th, 2010 7:32 AM

For which, the pokewalker, daycare or AR?

Pokewalker [Glitch that doesn't actually work, can't return from stroll] - turn it off RIGHT AFTER it transfers, BEFORE it saves.

Daycare - Just a theory. No one's tried anything, so no one knows.

AR - Cloning doesn't involve saves.

Cheesymitten March 15th, 2010 7:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 5622370)
If you mean trade the Pokemon in the Pokewalker to someone else's game, that won't work. Pokewalker only works with one game at a time, and to work with another it has to be 'removed' from the 1st HGSS cartridge to be able to communicate with another game - so it can only 'trade' Pokemon to one game full stop unless you swtich and that requires it being empty (or if not it just wipes the memory and you get your Pokemon back without exp), or leastways that's my understanding of it.

No no, you've got the wrong point, right you know there are 2 now after you've "cloned" it. WELL the one in the REAL game not in the Pokéwalker should be traded with someone else.
Are you getting where I'm coming from?
So then, you can take the Pokemon FROM the Pokéwalker into your game, take the Pokemon from the other game that you just gave to your other DS, then you'll have two.
I know it sounds complicated but I shall try to explain what's happening more.. Uh, easily?

"Corrupt" save file-->Trade Pokémon from your game NOT from the Pokéwalker to another DS-->Take the Pokémon from the Pokéwalker out of the Pokéwalker-->Trade back the Pokémon you sent to the other game.-->???? PROFIT

That's it.
Just need SOMEONE to test it out as I don't have the game, it would be nice if someone could tell me the problems ^.^
But I'm sure with this Pokéwalker there's going to be a lot of cloning theories, I just need to see if this theory is right..

EDIT-Also in relation to what Eyaare said in post #31 about the Pokémon still being in the game but just "hidden". Now, if this "hidden" Pokémon is now in your game, you can trade it over with the cloned Pokémon surely..

Eyaare March 15th, 2010 8:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheesymitten (Post 5622723)
No no, you've got the wrong point, right you know there are 2 now after you've "cloned" it. WELL the one in the REAL game not in the Pokéwalker should be traded with someone else.
Are you getting where I'm coming from?
So then, you can take the Pokemon FROM the Pokéwalker into your game, take the Pokemon from the other game that you just gave to your other DS, then you'll have two.
I know it sounds complicated but I shall try to explain what's happening more.. Uh, easily?

"Corrupt" save file-->Trade Pokémon from your game NOT from the Pokéwalker to another DS-->Take the Pokémon from the Pokéwalker out of the Pokéwalker-->Trade back the Pokémon you sent to the other game.-->???? PROFIT

Just need SOMEONE to test it out as I don't have the game, it would be nice if someone could tell me the problems ^.^
But I'm sure with this Pokéwalker there's going to be a lot of cloning theories, I just need to see if this theory is right..

EDIT-Also in relation to what Eyaare said in post #33 about the Pokémon still being in the game but just "hidden". Now, if this "hidden" Pokémon is now in your game, you can trade it over with the cloned Pokémon surely..

I will test it (trading the pokemon), but I'm, like, 99.9% sure it won't work. Because, again, the pokemon won't be taken from the pokewalker if the DS can't remember it being sent from the pokewalker. Whether the pokemon is there or not is irrelevant.

Test results below.

And also, I wasn't saying that the pokemon was seeable. I'm saying that when you send a pokemon to the walker, there's a backup on your game. So if you loose your pokewalker, there's a "lost pokewalker" option where you can get the backup, but then when you find the pokewalker and try to return from stroll you get the same error as before, where it's released to the wild.

EDIT - The result of testing:
Test - 1. Transfered Paras to PKWLKR 2. Turned off before saved 3. Traded Paras to Platinum 4. Attempted to return Paras from stroll.
Result - fail.

Although we may be onto something here.

If you remember correctly, most, if not, all the cloning glitches had to do with turning off the game mid-save. So we may need to go a step farther, try turning off the game mid-save of pokewalker. I'd test it myself, but I'm unsure if I want to take the risk, or if I understand it...

Cheesymitten March 15th, 2010 8:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyaare (Post 5622732)
there's a "lost pokewalker" option where you can get the backup, but then when you find the pokewalker and try to return from stroll you get the same error as before, where it's released to the wild.

There could be a way to try and stop it from being released into the wild. We might need some more time and more.. Help..
And also it takes time for these things to crop up..
But I think the most likely way is if the Pokémon on the game was somehow "lost" as well.
So then you could put the Pokéwalker Pokémon inside the game, then somehow get that Pokémon back... =/
Some people don't really want to use an AR and be called a "cheat" I think that more people use the GTS glitch still just to see, but if we get this working then people won't need to pay except for the game, amirite?

Eyaare March 15th, 2010 8:30 AM

Yes, you're right, that's why this thread is still going after I've already given the AR codes. I'm working on daycare and more pokewalker research to see if we've got anything. Otherwise we'll have to turn our hopeful eyes elsewhere.

sckum555 March 15th, 2010 8:40 AM

LOLFAIL
 
nintendo got sooo owned. But I dont have a pokewalker :(

Cheesymitten March 15th, 2010 8:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyaare (Post 5622763)
Yes, you're right, that's why this thread is still going after I've already given the AR codes. I'm working on daycare and more pokewalker research to see if we've got anything. Otherwise we'll have to turn our hopeful eyes elsewhere.

Have you tried the trading theory with 2 DS's I suggested?
Does it work or not?
XD
Then we'll know what went wrong =3

Eyaare March 15th, 2010 8:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyaare (Post 5622732)
EDIT - The result of testing:
Test - 1. Transfered Paras to PKWLKR 2. Turned off before saved 3. Traded Paras to Platinum 4. Attempted to return Paras from stroll.
Result - fail.

Although we may be onto something here.

If you remember correctly, most, if not, all the cloning glitches had to do with turning off the game mid-save. So we may need to go a step farther, try turning off the game mid-save of pokewalker. I'd test it myself, but I'm unsure if I want to take the risk, or if I understand it...

Yeah, it didn't work. If you'd like to try the suggestion I made, or confirm that turning off the game mid-save just reverts you to a back up save (I have a special event Arceus from my bro, I don't wanna corrupt the game then find out there's no backup and I'm screwed) then go ahead. If it does have the same backup save system so corrupting the game has no risk, I'd try it myself.

Cheesymitten March 15th, 2010 9:00 AM

What happened?
Did the Pokémon in the Pokéwalker go off?

Right here's what we've got so far-
Pokémon BACKUP on DS in case Pokéwalker goes missing
Pokémon can't be returned if another is in the game.
Trading Pokémon to another game also won't return the Pokémon back from Pokéwalker

To be tested-
Day care- I don't think this method is going to work seeing as the Pokémon is STILL on the game
Pokémon to be put on another Pokémon game (?) Like Pokémon Ranch or something?

It's a loophole obviously.. Or something like that >_>
We've got to try and "break" it.

And yes, I think we should try the clock turning method.

It's going to be.. Fun/

But we all know it's got to be something with the Pokéwalker it seems like the most obvious target >83
However we may be going for the wrong thing, maybe it's something else, is there anything else you can put your Pokémon in to trade or whatever?

Myles March 15th, 2010 9:05 AM

It's not that it senses the old one. It's just that the game knows (or rather, thinks) nothing has been sent to the Pokewalker, so it knows nothing is suppose to return.

Eyaare March 15th, 2010 9:08 AM

IDK what the clock turning method is.

It didn't work, pokemon was still returned to wild.

When you send to pokewalker, as it's saving, the DS goes (OK, POKEMON is on the walker). It remembers that. So when you try to return, it does NOT go "OK, is POKEMON on the game?" Instead, it goes "Ok, do I remember POKEMON being sent there?" If it doesn't remember that, your pokemon is released to the wild.

To Test - Pokewalker (A bit more)
The reason the original cloning glitch (G/S) worked was because the DS saved like this: "OK, Add pokemon to box," [here's the little pause where you turn off and on the power] "Ok, now remove pokemon from where it was." It's because of that saving order that the GTS glitch worked, to. So, if the order for saving after transferring pokewalker is "OK, there's a pokemon on the pokewalker" [GAP] "Ok, remove pokemon from box in game," then interrupting that save process as we did in G/S would, in theory, clone the pokemon. Thing is, I don't want a corrupt game to remove my pokemon, so until my bro lets me use platinum again I can't test it.

To Test - Daycare
You said you don't trust daycare because the pokemon remains on the game, well, think back to G/S (infact, LOOK UP). It's all about the way the game saves, meaning daycare's still possible. Also, Pokemon Ranch doesn't have a HG/SS patch yet, or even a Pt patch.

EDIT:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Myles (Post 5622834)
It's not that it senses the old one. It's just that the game knows (or rather, thinks) nothing has been sent to the Pokewalker, so it knows nothing is suppose to return.

That's what I meant.

Cheesymitten March 15th, 2010 9:09 AM

Hmm yes but to your method of the Pokémon "is it still on your game" theory.
It all comes back to that, as the Pokémon is still on the game..
However give it a try ;D

Eyaare March 15th, 2010 11:30 AM

I have attempted day care by submitting a pokemon, counting to 5 (and later 8 and 10) and then shutting off the game pre-maturely, none of these have worked. I'm doubting there's any loophole held in the daycare center, seeing as daycare uses the same old saving process nintendo's perfected since D/P.

Pokewalker's save process did, however, give some interesting results. I did a test save that took 14 seconds to complete. I then experimented with shutting it off after 5, 7, 8 and 10 seconds. All of these were failures, except one. I did two 5 seconds tests, one of which did not corrupt my save data, and acted as if it had finished saving. You could say that it was just a lag between the "Saving...." and "done saving" screens I luckily hit, but no other save has taken a mere 5 seconds. I'm doubtful, however, that we have something here, I want to say it was just an error, but if there is something there we don't want to miss it... I'll do some more testing later and get back to you.

To Test -
-Daycare - VERY VERY VERY not likely.
-Pokewalker - I'm doubtful. May want to experiment with shutting off the pokewalker itself, although I have no actual logic to back that up as a theory.
-Trading - Who knows? Maybe Nintendo screwed this up when re-implementing it?
-GTS - There may be something somewhere in here. They fixed our KNOWN vulnerability, that doesn't mean others don't exist.

It's a new game, we have to rule out the old possibilities again, just to be sure.

Cheesymitten March 15th, 2010 11:38 AM

So what you're saying is that we might be able to clone ON THE WAY BACK into the game??
Or not >.>
XD

But sure anything else we have might work ^.^

Eyaare March 15th, 2010 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheesymitten (Post 5623133)
So what you're saying is that we might be able to clone ON THE WAY BACK into the game??
Or not >.>
XD

But sure anything else we have might work ^.^

Here's how pokewalker works:

TO:
-Transfer to pokewalker
-Game saves, remembering you sent to pokewalker.

FROM:
-Take it from Pokewalker
-Game saves, remembering that.

So the only thing we could possibly achieve by turning of the game mid-save ON THE WAY BACK would be making it think there's a pokemon on the pokewalker when there isn't.

I tried cutting it off midsave on the way TO the pokewalker. No dice.
I didn't think of doing that ON THE WAY BACK, I'll try it after I find the "lost pokewalker option." (As I've never seen it, I just heard about it...) This way may run the risk of deleting your pokemon... actually, that seems like a very big risk. Regardless, I'll stock up on magikarp and begin testing.

Blackoutv3 March 15th, 2010 1:39 PM

Wow ur cool. cloning is for lazy cheating punks. who cant take the challenge of a game most of us have been playing since we were 7 or 8 years old

DJgamer999 March 15th, 2010 1:45 PM

Cloning is useful for people who wanna trade or giveaway event pokemon.

Yusshin March 15th, 2010 9:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJgamer999 (Post 5623515)
Cloning is useful for people who wanna trade or giveaway event pokemon.

Trading is meant to sacrifice a Pokémon to gain a Pokémon lol... You're not supposed to gain twice. It defeats the purpose.

I've never cloned; if I get a 31/31/31/31/31/31 Pokémon (or something similarily awesome), and I decide to trade it, it's gone. For good. That's how it works.

Eyaare March 16th, 2010 6:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackoutv3 (Post 5623492)
Wow ur cool. cloning is for lazy cheating punks. who cant take the challenge of a game most of us have been playing since we were 7 or 8 years old

Let's see.... umm, the main goal of the game is..... oh yeah, completing the pokedex. Now, pop-quiz!
The pokedex is completed:
A. By catching many different pokemon!
or
B. By having the same pokemon lots of different times!

Time's up, it's A. And, erm... I have no intention of using clones in the gym/indigo/whatever challenge. There are plenty of cloners is the trade shops on this very site, go flame them, not us.

In fact... none of us even said why we want to clone, or for that matter, if we did. Maybe we just have an interest in finding glitches? Point is, you don't know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5624997)
Trading is meant to sacrifice a Pokémon to gain a Pokémon lol... You're not supposed to gain twice. It defeats the purpose.

I've never cloned; if I get a 31/31/31/31/31/31 Pokémon (or something similarily awesome), and I decide to trade it, it's gone. For good. That's how it works.

Cloning can also be useful if you're in a circle of friends, and one's going up to, say, Montana during a pokemon event. Obviously he can't nab multiple event pokemon for his friends who couldn't make it without their game cartridges.... so he could bring those or clone the pokemon.

And then there's the thing about rare pokemon. In a game like that, I would much rather clone a mareep instead of going out and searching for hours because it's rare.* There's taking the game out of the game, there is the people who'd ruin the game by automatically achieving a team comprised of the same level 100's and ruin the fun, but cloning for something like that is just easier. And it doesn't really take the fun out of it, just the boring, mindless searching, I mean, it's not like you're going to miss fun battles, you're merely missing moving the D-Pad a bunch of times and learning how to hit "Run" before you even see it. Or if you have a pokemon you could easily just go out and catch, cloning's faster if you're about to trade the pokemon. It just makes so many thing simpler, and isn't necessarily as bad as people say.

*Mareep as a rare pokemon was merely an example, not meant to suggest Mereep is/isn't rare.

rizyq March 18th, 2010 11:58 AM

So, by turning it off while saving, one will be on your pokewalker, and in your game? But, you can't send it back without it releasing it?

I have an idea that might work, if anyone cares to test it (I would, but I can't play for a few more hours...)

Send a pokemon to the pokewalker, turn off while saving, all that good stuff above.
But, what I wanted to try was the UP + R + Select, to return the pokemon... Since you have it in your game, and data for it being sent to the pokewalker, this (in-theory) could work.

I'll test it in about an hour (or sooner) unless someone cares to test it sooner.


EDIT:

D: I didn't notice the second page, so I'm going to read through that, to make sure no one already posted this...

Future Arceus March 18th, 2010 12:30 PM

What about this guys. You can trade pokemon from pokewalker to pokewalker. SO...

1.Put poke in pokewalker.
2.turn off power while saving.
3.go on pokewalker and with that "cloned" poke trade it to another pokewalker.
4.you do this by pressing the connect button.
5.trade to another pokewalker and that other pokewalker will have your clone.

That's my idea. If nobody else does i'll try this out myself. I think it'll work because the other pokewalker won't recognize it as a clone. Please try it out.

rizyq March 18th, 2010 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Future Arceus (Post 5632065)
What about this guys. You can trade pokemon from pokewalker to pokewalker. SO...

1.Put poke in pokewalker.
2.turn off power while saving.
3.go on pokewalker and with that "cloned" poke trade it to another pokewalker.
4.you do this by pressing the connect button.
5.trade to another pokewalker and that other pokewalker will have your clone.

That's my idea. If nobody else does i'll try this out myself. I think it'll work because the other pokewalker won't recognize it as a clone. Please try it out.

I'll try this, I just have to get far enough in my HG to catch a pokemon, and put it in a box...

But, I'll have to start in like 30 minutes... I'll post results here.

And, you're saying, if that works, you put the pokemon on the other game, then trade it back to your original (However you may do that...) or keep it on the second..

Gamefreaked March 18th, 2010 7:52 PM

Hmmm, if this actually works it seems like Im going to have to go get a Pokewalker. Seems viable enough.

Calder March 18th, 2010 9:42 PM

This doesnt work...it just gone when you return it, you cant use the Pokewalker to give the Pokemon your trading with to another Pokewalker

Future Arceus March 19th, 2010 5:51 AM

Oh well...Too bad.I'm sorry. Anybody have anymore ideas?

WiiMann March 19th, 2010 1:58 PM

I have a theory, so i was reading on Bulbapedia about the Pokewalker and i read that you can return a pokemon to your game by pressing Up, select, and R, just incase you lose your Pokewalker but maybe you can transfer the orginal from your pokewalker to your Game after you get the clone......i would test it but sadly have busted the "R" Button on my DSi -.- so anyone willing to take a risk & try it out?

Urhungry March 19th, 2010 6:54 PM

I had a similar idea, but with the pokewalker reset. I was resetting my pokewalker after I restarted my game, so I pressed up select l, and I got a little message saying it would reset all pokewalker data and send the pokemon back. The pokemon didn't come back, as it was from an old save file, but if you try it with the file the pokewalkers already registered to, it might work, as the pokewalker is busy erasing it's data, so it might not notice the pokemon already having a match. I can't currently try it out, but if someone else could, we could at least try.

Cheesymitten March 24th, 2010 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urhungry (Post 5636269)
I had a similar idea, but with the pokewalker reset. I was resetting my pokewalker after I restarted my game, so I pressed up select l, and I got a little message saying it would reset all pokewalker data and send the pokemon back. The pokemon didn't come back, as it was from an old save file, but if you try it with the file the pokewalkers already registered to, it might work, as the pokewalker is busy erasing it's data, so it might not notice the pokemon already having a match. I can't currently try it out, but if someone else could, we could at least try.

I'm getting Soul Silver tomorrow so I'll try this.
Thanks for your idea!

iRawr March 24th, 2010 12:11 PM

Same here getting SS tomorrow so will try it out when I get the time to!
thanks for the guide/Info.

Cheesymitten March 24th, 2010 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iRawr (Post 5649699)
Same here getting SS tomorrow so will try it out when I get the time to!
thanks for the guide/Info.

Just to tell you we haven't actually found out a cloning method that works yet! In case you didn't know >=3
XD
But, thanks for your support in helping us XD

Eggie Poo Poo March 24th, 2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackoutv3 (Post 5623492)
Wow ur cool. cloning is for lazy cheating punks. who cant take the challenge of a game most of us have been playing since we were 7 or 8 years old

LOL if you are a true "Pokemon Fan" then you should know that one of the best things in Gold and Silver was the cloning glitch and just how much fun it was to use.

Hang your head in shame.

IxFlashPointxI March 24th, 2010 3:52 PM

I think I found a way to make it so you don't lose saves.... Just double save. It has a double save feature.... FAIL Nintendo!

TheAppleFreak March 24th, 2010 4:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IxFlashPointxI (Post 5650267)
I think I found a way to make it so you don't lose saves.... Just double save. It has a double save feature.... FAIL Nintendo!

Define "double save." If it means keeping two copies of the save file, one the most recent and the other the second most-recent, then we knew about it. Nintendo added that feature to prevent the entire save file from being corrupted in the case of an interrupted save.

I haven't tried this yet, but I plan on doing it. If I interrupt the save after transferring it, then deposit the Pokémon in a daycare, will it clone? I've been wondering about that for a while.

Gamefreaked March 24th, 2010 9:49 PM

Haha this could come usefully. What if we just traded the pokemon cloned temporarily? Will we be able to get the poke on the walker back since the original doesn't exist on that game cartridge anymore? Or how bout cloning it but instead of trying to retrieve it on your game, get someone elses and try to get it from there and if it works trade it back to yours?

CrashSmAshley March 24th, 2010 11:20 PM

Give it a few months and someone will have found a way to clone Pokemon just like in the originals

linkinpark187 March 25th, 2010 2:15 AM

I haven't tried yet, but...hasn't anyone noticed that there is a bit of hang time between the Pokémon being put into the Pokéwalker and the game saving? why not reset during that hang time? I'll have to try and report back to let you guys know, but...just a question. lol

Amazing_NeoSteelX March 25th, 2010 2:47 PM

I've tried it but to no success.....:(
Also on youtube people say it ruins the saved game and can erase all saved data if you do it wrong!
I'd try it again but it seems to risky.....

linkinpark187 March 27th, 2010 11:52 AM

Yeah, I just attempted my theory, but...to no avail. All it did was release the clone. Oh well...it was a thought. Of course...maybe somewhere I did something wrong. But I can't think of doing it any other way without everything getting too cumbersome.

Sudeki March 27th, 2010 2:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkinpark187 (Post 5657207)
Yeah, I just attempted my theory, but...to no avail. All it did was release the clone. Oh well...it was a thought. Of course...maybe somewhere I did something wrong. But I can't think of doing it any other way without everything getting too cumbersome.

Thats the whole point of this thread, is for people to make and test theorys ^^.

GoombaMuffins March 27th, 2010 3:25 PM

I am trying it now... I really hope it works, as I have to give my Lugia to my mates sister, but I really wanted a Lugia for myself, now I can have one!

-Ok, the SUDOWOODO is in my Pokewalker, I am now restarting to see if it is in my PC...
-Got the message: "Gave data corrupt, previous save will be loaded" (or something like that) on a blue background, but the SUDOWOODO is in my PC! I am now checking if I can get it back into my game from my Pokewalker....
-uywqgdsouywageduie IT DID NOT WORK :'(

"Any Pokemon released back into the wild"

BSAODOIHFLIFWLIAWFLIIFWLAEU :(:(:(

ThatsTakao March 27th, 2010 3:49 PM

I got these from Bulbapedia, maybe they'll be of use to someone here?
Returning a Pokémon

A Pokémon can be restored to the game it was taken from if a Pokéwalker is lost or broken by pressing the following buttons at the Pokéwalker connection screen:
  • Press and hold Up, Select, and R
Resetting a Pokéwalker

At the Pokéwalker connection screen:
  • Press and hold Down, X, and L
I don't know much about cloning, but I figured maybe the first code could somehow be used?

.Vaati March 27th, 2010 7:26 PM

Dunno if anyone said this already, but what if you send the Pokemon to the PokeWalker than trade it to another game?

When you send the PokeWalkermon back to the game would it be unable to tell that there was once another copy? I'm not exactly sure how the PokeWalker works though and I have no wi-fi here so I can't test it myself.

GoombaMuffins March 27th, 2010 7:53 PM

maybe leave the clone on the pokewalker, go for a short walk, cath a pokemon on the pokewalker, then try out them back into the game? Just an idea.

yaminokame March 28th, 2010 6:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheesymitten (Post 5659605)
Ladies and gentlemen I have come up with a new cloning method, better than the others >=3
What is needed-
2 DS'
2 Pokewalkers
2 Games
A corrupted save file
Someone to test it out


Spoilered for excessive size.

You can't trade your main walking Pokemon from one Pokewalker to another though :(

pkmn trainer natty March 28th, 2010 7:05 AM

I want to try it but I'm afraid of losing my Pokemon. D: -emotional attachment- Has anyone tried it yet and had it safely work yet?

Cheesymitten March 28th, 2010 7:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 5659744)
You can't trade your main walking Pokemon from one Pokewalker to another though :(

That's pretty stupid.
=[
I have failed at life again >=D
I knew that had to be a drawback =/

EDIT- Sorry guys, I think there's no more point trying to do this on this game, if you want to clone use D/P
It's not going to work with this game.
Unless someone proves me wrong?

Xebelleon March 28th, 2010 10:52 AM

Union Room cloning still works.

Dark Mike March 28th, 2010 11:29 AM

TO Original Poster.
How does this work..? It can't.
think about it

1. your pokemon goes to the pokewalker.
2. it saves the game, so your game knows what pokemon is away in the walker, what route its on etc.
3. when you go to return it, the picture of the pokemon that is in the walker appears.. so when you go to return your pokemon from the walker it can sync accordingly.

so whats wrong with that?

well if you turn it off during stage 2. it wont be able to access stage 3? Why? because if it doesnt save the fact that the pokemon that is away in the walker you cannot return it, simple. It will still be in the box where you last saved your game properly. The pokemon in the walker is considered glitched and trashed.

Try it and let me know.

Nintendo and Gamefreak didnt fail here, the person who came up with this did.

In all proper versions of the game, this glitch does not work.

Cloning pokemon is bad anyways. It ruins the game completely, IMO.

Sudeki March 29th, 2010 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Mike (Post 5660113)
TO Original Poster.
How does this work..? It can't.
think about it

1. your pokemon goes to the pokewalker.
2. it saves the game, so your game knows what pokemon is away in the walker, what route its on etc.
3. when you go to return it, the picture of the pokemon that is in the walker appears.. so when you go to return your pokemon from the walker it can sync accordingly.

so whats wrong with that?

well if you turn it off during stage 2. it wont be able to access stage 3? Why? because if it doesnt save the fact that the pokemon that is away in the walker you cannot return it, simple. It will still be in the box where you last saved your game properly. The pokemon in the walker is considered glitched and trashed.

Try it and let me know.

Nintendo and Gamefreak didnt fail here, the person who came up with this did.

In all proper versions of the game, this glitch does not work.

Cloning pokemon is bad anyways. It ruins the game completely, IMO.

Its not me that fails, its you for not understanding the thread itself lol, This thread is for posting/testing/discussion of theorys for cloning on the new HG/SS. Also its been known that the above doesn't work, thats why for the last 4 pages people have been making there own theorys and testing them, and then sharing the results.

Lunyka March 29th, 2010 10:55 AM

Yeah, you can't clone pokemon with the Pokewalker.

If you wanna clone pokemon just google "ARDS code for cloning pokemon in hgss" and I'm sure there will be a code and instructions on how to use it if you go to the right website. It is honestly a lot safer then using glitches in the game.

^.hydro March 29th, 2010 10:59 AM

D/P...Otherwise pick up an ActionReplay

An Imperialist named Dak March 29th, 2010 5:45 PM

See why glitches never get fixed, because people blame the wrong company.

Its gamefreak who made the games, nintendo just published them.

Zinx April 19th, 2010 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Mike (Post 5660113)
TO Original Poster.
How does this work..? It can't.
think about it

1. your pokemon goes to the pokewalker.
2. it saves the game, so your game knows what pokemon is away in the walker, what route its on etc.
3. when you go to return it, the picture of the pokemon that is in the walker appears.. so when you go to return your pokemon from the walker it can sync accordingly.

so whats wrong with that?

well if you turn it off during stage 2. it wont be able to access stage 3? Why? because if it doesnt save the fact that the pokemon that is away in the walker you cannot return it, simple. It will still be in the box where you last saved your game properly. The pokemon in the walker is considered glitched and trashed.

Try it and let me know.

Nintendo and Gamefreak didnt fail here, the person who came up with this did.

In all proper versions of the game, this glitch does not work.

Cloning pokemon is bad anyways. It ruins the game completely, IMO.

I think he has a point here but I'm not supportive of nixxing the thread.

A few ideas I have are:
Removing the battery from the walker during transfer or something.
Removing the cartridge and putting it back in after transfer is completed so it can't save. I don't know how removing the cartridge can affect the saving system but it might make a difference.
Pulling the pokewalker out of range during a certain stage of the transfer (veeeeeery slim chance here).

Contact April 24th, 2010 2:34 PM

I'm sure this isn't the right place to post this but GTS cloning apparently still works. The game does all the trade transfers while it is in the "Checking GTS Status" Stage.

I was looking at trades and someone had wanted a Groudon for another Groudon, I had one I transfered over one from my Ruby Game to Heart Gold, and had realized I hadn't checked out its natures, stats, etc, and was curious, so I went in, instead of clicking "Summery" I clicked trade >.<, over the next few moments, I tried pressing 'B' to cancel and then quickly shut of my console.

Enter corrupted save, yadda yadda, I walk out of the GTS check my box and now I have two Groudons. One is from Embedded Tower which was my overall goal anyway and my original one as well.

MistahDude April 24th, 2010 9:00 PM

I sure do wish that cloning in HG/SS was as easy as it was in the originals. All you had to do was put a pokemon with a held item in a box, move it to another box and when it asked you to save, you turn off the power when it says DONT

Pokebreeder13 April 24th, 2010 10:10 PM

Can some one clone a special event Arceus for me so I can get a level 1 legandry in soul silver please?

Eirixoto May 21st, 2010 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by An-san Rebelleon (Post 5660020)
Union Room cloning still works.

How do you clone in the union room?

bobandbill May 22nd, 2010 5:31 AM

That's not what the thread is about, and this thread is nearly a month old anyways and ran its course (you can't clone via the Pokewalker, surprise surprise) so I'll just close. I suggest you vm the user or just google it.


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