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Teh Blazer March 24th, 2010 9:14 PM

Wow Prof. Oak
 
I don't get how a guy who has a friend (Mr. Pokemon) who lives in a totally different region (Jhoto) with totally different Pokemon, and Oak only counted up to 151 Pokemon. He NEVER noticed any Jhoto Pokemon? Wow, just wow.

Coin March 24th, 2010 9:24 PM

That's Pokelogic for you. :P

Hyashi_san March 24th, 2010 9:27 PM

Pro Oak is old though so you can't blame him :)
See his white hair? white hair = old (sometimes wise)

Luck March 24th, 2010 9:34 PM

He only had 3 years to figure that out :/

Zenith98s March 24th, 2010 10:28 PM

I never thought about it...

dalaniir March 24th, 2010 10:51 PM

johto takes place after kanto. so r/b/y takes place BEFORE g/s/c so the pokemon werent in r/b/y but in between r/b/y and g/s/c tho johto pokemon were discovered

Ninja Caterpie March 24th, 2010 10:59 PM

Ever thought that there might be something called "time"?

CrashSmAshley March 24th, 2010 11:05 PM

It does make you wonder...

Zeffy March 24th, 2010 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5651076)
Ever thought that there might be something called "time"?

^ lol
Its 'awkward' don't you think? Well, Oak is old.

ChrisTom March 25th, 2010 12:17 PM

Well I found this a bit rediculous too. Anybody ever watch "Pokemon 4ever"?

There is a bit of a Paradox, because in the movie Samuel Oak (Prof.Oak) is in Ilex Forest (or some other Forest.) and gets thrown into the future as a teenager when he is with Celebi. He goes to the present day when Ash and his friends are visiting the same forest. Sam has an adventure with them and draws Pikachu next to a Bellosom. So then he gets thrown back to his own time at the end of the Movie, and later grows up to be Prof.Oak. At the end of the movie you find out it was him because he opens up his drawing book and then sees the picture he drew those 50 some-odd years ago and he says: "Ah, it seems it was only yesterday..."

The reason this doesn't make any sense is because (as previously noted) Prof. Oak says in the first generation that there are 150 Pokemon (Minus Mew of course) so he was lying in some form. He would've had to known about the other 342 Pokemon, or at least 100 of them. It is almost impossible- well hell, it is impossible. But then again Ash never ages, and the Simpsons has more Paradoxes between episodes than there are cows in the American midwest. It would be nice though if it were explained... This is a good point and I'm glad somebody brought this up. I thought the better argument would be "Wait! There's a guy named Mr. Pokemon!?"

Heart's Soul March 26th, 2010 1:18 PM

Nah, this is how I see things-

Johto wanted to expand their roads and get to Mt. Silver easily. They stumbled upon Kanto and then they combined their knowledge to make 100 more Pokemon!

El Diabeetus March 26th, 2010 1:26 PM

If I remember correctly, 4Kids had the original animators animate that scene for them. So, that may just be a non-Japanese error only.

But, even without that, he would still be lying when saying there's only 150(1) Pokémon, since he came across them in his past.

Teh Blazer March 26th, 2010 3:43 PM

Why would Oak do this?!

Either Oak lied, or in his old age he forgot A LOT of things.

Syrp/Pnoob March 26th, 2010 4:13 PM

Simple, Prof. Oak just thought Johto was filled with strange Dittos who Transformed into different Pokemon.

-PN



Or maybe Oak just refuses to believe that there is another region besides Kanto and, despite seeing these pokemon, just considers them of the original 151.

Or maybe he's old.


-S

Tsutarja March 26th, 2010 5:21 PM

Wow what a thought xD

I can imagine that he was keeping a secret from us just so we could get angry at him :3

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ March 28th, 2010 1:53 AM

Aging tends to have a negative effect on the memory. Oak may have had tunnel vision as well - so focused on his own research and luring little kids to his lab that he just ignored Mr. Pokemon's rants abut other Pokemon species.

Legobricks March 29th, 2010 3:20 PM

Oak didn't lie, the franchise simply didn't have 9999999 Pokemon at the time, the real world is... well, real, after all, and they couldn't at the time project indefinitely that the first game would succeed as well as it did for them to make any sequels to it. It's quite possible, however, to justify it by saying he means you'll only be able to get 150 in Kanto alone.

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Furanki (Post 5654628)
If I remember correctly, 4Kids had the original animators animate that scene for them. So, that may just be a non-Japanese error only.

Animate? Scene? We are in the games section by the way, not the anime one.

BHwolfgang March 29th, 2010 3:49 PM

If there was Jhoto when Pokemon Red/Blue/Green came out, then there wouldn't be any problem. However, there was no 200+ Pokemons back when the first games came out, so there couldn't possibly be a way for Professer Oak to have known.

Sure, the Professor made one, little typo. That doesn't mean that it's going to end the Pokemon franchise or something.

Redstar March 29th, 2010 4:32 PM

It's called gameplay and story segregation. It's also the fact that neither Nintendo nor GameFreak expected Pokemon to be as popular as they did, so they had no plans to make sequels. If they had there definitely would have been in-game hints of "more" Pokemon or places, just as each new generations does.

Also, PokeGods.

Spikey-Eared Pichu March 29th, 2010 5:49 PM

A simple explanation.

After the end of R/B/Y, the Kanto Pokemon League Association decided to open up a road to land beyond Mt. Silver. In doing so, they discovered Johto and its inhabitants. After establishing peace, the two regions co-exsisted in peace. Over the next 3 years, Prof. Oak met new Pokemon and made friends with Prof. Elm and Mr. Pokemon.

Can we all be satisfied with that?

Eggie Poo Poo March 29th, 2010 6:04 PM

I think someone's mixing some stuff into his morning coffee ..

DXrobots March 29th, 2010 6:33 PM

Were talking about a guy who can't even remember his own grandsons name

Fli March 29th, 2010 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DXrobots (Post 5663209)
Were talking about a guy who can't even remember his own grandsons name

^When I first played, this really confused me. Oak, how do I know your grandson's name if I have never met him and barely know you?

On topic- I guess, I must have assumed time had passed or I most likely just ignored this little detail...

Teh Blazer March 29th, 2010 9:27 PM

That is so true. Asking a guy who can't tell if you're a girl or a boy if he knows something like that. Poor guy...

Ninja Caterpie March 29th, 2010 11:23 PM

Maybe a better question should be about the final fantasy.

And the final, final fantasy.

And the final, final, final fantasy.

And the final, final, FINAL...

ILoveDragonite March 30th, 2010 2:58 AM

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1435/oaks.jpg

And that's the story of prof oak.

Decodedd March 31st, 2010 2:34 AM

I remember the first time I saw Prof. Oak in Gold Version, the very first thing that came to mind was "What are the odds ?"

Brendino March 31st, 2010 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILoveDragonite (Post 5664086)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1435/oaks.jpg

And that's the story of prof oak.

Haha, that is awesome.

I always figured that between the time from the original games and Gold/Silver, there wasn't any easy access between these regions, so professors in each regions said that only the natural inhabitants of that region were the number of Pokemon there were. Once the S.S. Aqua and the Magnet Train came into existance and connected Johto and Kanto, it was decided that they should combine all of the Pokemon into one big group of 251. However, this doesn't explain why we didn't know about the Pokemon in Generations III-V (although I guess anyone that can't remember their own grandson's name is getting pretty senile, and probably shouldn't even be in a position to be a Pokemon professor :P)

MsHailstorm April 1st, 2010 12:09 PM

I'm gonna go with either old, crazy, or time.

Blazenwing April 1st, 2010 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teh Blazer (Post 5650908)
I don't get how a guy who has a friend (Mr. Pokemon) who lives in a totally different region (Jhoto) with totally different Pokemon, and Oak only counted up to 151 Pokemon. He NEVER noticed any Jhoto Pokemon? Wow, just wow.

It's not his fault... he always has a stack of Max Repel handy. After all, he IS tremendously busy.

coconutberry April 12th, 2010 6:30 AM

Maybe he knew of the other Pokemon, but didn't tell Red because it would be too much for him, and he didn't want to hurt his mind. :3

Kobold Asylum April 12th, 2010 6:36 AM

Perhaps since he only caught three pokemon, the 151 pokemon he knew exsisted were the most common from gens 1 - x.

The Doctor April 12th, 2010 7:02 AM

Quote:

Sam has an adventure with them and draws Pikachu next to a Bellosom
Um... Whut...

It was on the other day and the pokemon is quite clearly the Celebii and not a Bellosom.

Your eyes fail.

FalconsDrummer April 12th, 2010 9:41 AM

In the game plotline, Professor Oak had not yet been to Johto when he said there were 151 Pokémon. Especially since, when the game designers made him say that, Generation II didn't even exist yet. Jeez.

xPsychosocial April 15th, 2010 12:23 PM

I don't think the creators had any idea how much the Pokemon Franchise would take off so I don't think they were ever planning sequels. But what would I know right?

Another way I try to look at it like is this: Time has passed since r/b/y and since that adventure the professor had stumbled upon the other region. Then again, this is just my opinion.

Aureol April 15th, 2010 2:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xPsychosocial (Post 5718633)
I don't think the creators had any idea how much the Pokemon Franchise would take off so I don't think they were ever planning sequels. But what would I know right?

Another way I try to look at it like is this: Time has passed since r/b/y and since that adventure the professor had stumbled upon the other region. Then again, this is just my opinion.

They planned the 2nd Generation from the beginning if I recall: it's the later generations that were a bit of a surprise.

That seems like the opinion that makes the most sense... note I said "most." As far as I see, there's no theory that makes 100% sense, so maybe I'll just pick the old and crazy idea :P

AuroraHearts April 15th, 2010 2:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5651076)
Ever thought that there might be something called "time"?

blame celebi for that
all that time travelling must of gave him memory loss XD

pkmn.master April 15th, 2010 5:11 PM

He bumped his head the day he met Red...

RivalGator April 16th, 2010 7:26 AM

....Huh. I never thought about it, but you're right...

iDuL April 22nd, 2010 6:33 PM

Lol. Who cares? People who care too much are fail.

TheBlackRose April 22nd, 2010 7:06 PM

I figured out.

The Original Oak is the real him, and the one in Gen II is a Ditto.

i am geenyus gies

pokecrazy123 April 25th, 2010 8:12 AM

Prof. Oak is not a trainer. Trainers are the ones who explore wild grass. Prof. Oak never explored the grass because he thought 151 was it. Every Pokemon. Why would you explore iif you thought you had explored everything already?

Hybrid Trainer April 25th, 2010 9:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokecrazy123 (Post 5749589)
Prof. Oak is not a trainer. Trainers are the ones who explore wild grass. Prof. Oak never explored the grass because he thought 151 was it. Every Pokemon. Why would you explore iif you thought you had explored everything already?

Correction, he is not a trainer ANYMORE.
he does say in the beggining of the games that he used to be a trainer

EmeraldSerenade April 25th, 2010 12:20 PM

Hey, Prof. Oaks pretty old! Cut the guy some slack xD

Yep, indeed, he use to be a pokemon trainer.

Erin April 25th, 2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DXrobots (Post 5663209)
We're talking about a guy who can't even remember his own grandsons name

This.

It also interests me how Oak has a radio show broadcasted exclusively in Johto that's about the locations of Johto pokemon.

Oak just straight-up lied to Red && Blue. Jerk. =PP

Quote:

Originally Posted by iDuL (Post 5742122)
Lol. Who cares? People who care too much are fail.

It's cute when people are too thick to see a joke.

seal April 25th, 2010 12:43 PM

I personally think he was saying there are 151 Pokemon in Kanto.

GlitchCity May 1st, 2010 3:45 PM

Pro. Oak is too engrossed with his poems to notice anything new, until someone comes up to his face and shove their "newly discovered" pokemon lol.

Cherrim May 6th, 2010 6:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DXrobots (Post 5663209)
Were talking about a guy who can't even remember his own grandsons name

Best answer so far.

Anyway, I just assume he never told the protagonist (Red) of RBY about the Pokémon in Johto. He sent his grandson & Red out on a quest in Kanto to collect data on every Pokémon. Maybe he did that because he was so busy communicating back and forth with his colleagues in Johto about the Pokémon there that he didn't have time to go out and get field data on everything in Johto? Kanto was a test to make sure his Pokédex worked and once he had a complete listing there, he decided to start the process again in Johto. :>

Teh Blazer May 8th, 2010 6:13 PM

Another thing I found out. SOme guy named Chad called me and told me that Prof. Oak and Kurt the freakin Pokeball maker go way back. WAAAYYYY BACK. Not only was Prof. Oak in kahootz with Prof. Elm, but he knew Kurt too!

Michfan May 8th, 2010 6:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DXrobots (Post 5663209)
Were talking about a guy who can't even remember his own grandsons name

I lol'd quite heartedly at this.

But he's an old man, cut him some slack. Sheesh!

HaloSonic May 8th, 2010 7:45 PM

---------------- Now playing: Sonic CD: Boss Theme (Japanese version) via FoxyTunes

lol, didnt realize that, but then again, that's nintendo logic for ya...

Amaruuk May 8th, 2010 8:17 PM

Professor Oak is in fact the strongest Pokemon in the world. Because of this, he already knows everything about Pokemon (and doesn't have to care about trivial things like what Gary's name is). He disguises himself as an old man, and for kicks and giggles he only shares parts of his knowledge at a time. Together with his lackeys, the other Professors, he entices countless young children to leave their homes to train endlessly with Pokemon and "catch 'em all" until they become unstoppable. These children, wielding all the world's legendary Pokemon, are at his beck and call. Because of this, Professor Oak pretty much owns the world, so of course he doesn't have to tell the people of Kanto in Gen I about the rest of the Pokemon.

SunStorm55 May 13th, 2010 1:11 PM

lol, well maybe he became friends with Mr. Pokemon after traveling to the Johto region? Still it is funny.


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