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Wow Prof. Oak
I don't get how a guy who has a friend (Mr. Pokemon) who lives in a totally different region (Jhoto) with totally different Pokemon, and Oak only counted up to 151 Pokemon. He NEVER noticed any Jhoto Pokemon? Wow, just wow.
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That's Pokelogic for you. :P
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Pro Oak is old though so you can't blame him :)
See his white hair? white hair = old (sometimes wise) |
He only had 3 years to figure that out :/
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I never thought about it...
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johto takes place after kanto. so r/b/y takes place BEFORE g/s/c so the pokemon werent in r/b/y but in between r/b/y and g/s/c tho johto pokemon were discovered
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Ever thought that there might be something called "time"?
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It does make you wonder...
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Its 'awkward' don't you think? Well, Oak is old. |
Well I found this a bit rediculous too. Anybody ever watch "Pokemon 4ever"?
There is a bit of a Paradox, because in the movie Samuel Oak (Prof.Oak) is in Ilex Forest (or some other Forest.) and gets thrown into the future as a teenager when he is with Celebi. He goes to the present day when Ash and his friends are visiting the same forest. Sam has an adventure with them and draws Pikachu next to a Bellosom. So then he gets thrown back to his own time at the end of the Movie, and later grows up to be Prof.Oak. At the end of the movie you find out it was him because he opens up his drawing book and then sees the picture he drew those 50 some-odd years ago and he says: "Ah, it seems it was only yesterday..." The reason this doesn't make any sense is because (as previously noted) Prof. Oak says in the first generation that there are 150 Pokemon (Minus Mew of course) so he was lying in some form. He would've had to known about the other 342 Pokemon, or at least 100 of them. It is almost impossible- well hell, it is impossible. But then again Ash never ages, and the Simpsons has more Paradoxes between episodes than there are cows in the American midwest. It would be nice though if it were explained... This is a good point and I'm glad somebody brought this up. I thought the better argument would be "Wait! There's a guy named Mr. Pokemon!?" |
Nah, this is how I see things-
Johto wanted to expand their roads and get to Mt. Silver easily. They stumbled upon Kanto and then they combined their knowledge to make 100 more Pokemon! |
If I remember correctly, 4Kids had the original animators animate that scene for them. So, that may just be a non-Japanese error only.
But, even without that, he would still be lying when saying there's only 150(1) Pokémon, since he came across them in his past. |
Why would Oak do this?!
Either Oak lied, or in his old age he forgot A LOT of things. |
Simple, Prof. Oak just thought Johto was filled with strange Dittos who Transformed into different Pokemon.
-PN Or maybe Oak just refuses to believe that there is another region besides Kanto and, despite seeing these pokemon, just considers them of the original 151. Or maybe he's old. -S |
Wow what a thought xD
I can imagine that he was keeping a secret from us just so we could get angry at him :3 |
Aging tends to have a negative effect on the memory. Oak may have had tunnel vision as well - so focused on his own research and luring little kids to his lab that he just ignored Mr. Pokemon's rants abut other Pokemon species.
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Oak didn't lie, the franchise simply didn't have 9999999 Pokemon at the time, the real world is... well, real, after all, and they couldn't at the time project indefinitely that the first game would succeed as well as it did for them to make any sequels to it. It's quite possible, however, to justify it by saying he means you'll only be able to get 150 in Kanto alone.
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If there was Jhoto when Pokemon Red/Blue/Green came out, then there wouldn't be any problem. However, there was no 200+ Pokemons back when the first games came out, so there couldn't possibly be a way for Professer Oak to have known.
Sure, the Professor made one, little typo. That doesn't mean that it's going to end the Pokemon franchise or something. |
It's called gameplay and story segregation. It's also the fact that neither Nintendo nor GameFreak expected Pokemon to be as popular as they did, so they had no plans to make sequels. If they had there definitely would have been in-game hints of "more" Pokemon or places, just as each new generations does.
Also, PokeGods. |
A simple explanation.
After the end of R/B/Y, the Kanto Pokemon League Association decided to open up a road to land beyond Mt. Silver. In doing so, they discovered Johto and its inhabitants. After establishing peace, the two regions co-exsisted in peace. Over the next 3 years, Prof. Oak met new Pokemon and made friends with Prof. Elm and Mr. Pokemon. Can we all be satisfied with that? |
I think someone's mixing some stuff into his morning coffee ..
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Were talking about a guy who can't even remember his own grandsons name
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On topic- I guess, I must have assumed time had passed or I most likely just ignored this little detail... |
That is so true. Asking a guy who can't tell if you're a girl or a boy if he knows something like that. Poor guy...
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Maybe a better question should be about the final fantasy.
And the final, final fantasy. And the final, final, final fantasy. And the final, final, FINAL... |
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I remember the first time I saw Prof. Oak in Gold Version, the very first thing that came to mind was "What are the odds ?"
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I always figured that between the time from the original games and Gold/Silver, there wasn't any easy access between these regions, so professors in each regions said that only the natural inhabitants of that region were the number of Pokemon there were. Once the S.S. Aqua and the Magnet Train came into existance and connected Johto and Kanto, it was decided that they should combine all of the Pokemon into one big group of 251. However, this doesn't explain why we didn't know about the Pokemon in Generations III-V (although I guess anyone that can't remember their own grandson's name is getting pretty senile, and probably shouldn't even be in a position to be a Pokemon professor :P) |
I'm gonna go with either old, crazy, or time.
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Maybe he knew of the other Pokemon, but didn't tell Red because it would be too much for him, and he didn't want to hurt his mind. :3
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Perhaps since he only caught three pokemon, the 151 pokemon he knew exsisted were the most common from gens 1 - x.
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It was on the other day and the pokemon is quite clearly the Celebii and not a Bellosom. Your eyes fail. |
In the game plotline, Professor Oak had not yet been to Johto when he said there were 151 Pokémon. Especially since, when the game designers made him say that, Generation II didn't even exist yet. Jeez.
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I don't think the creators had any idea how much the Pokemon Franchise would take off so I don't think they were ever planning sequels. But what would I know right?
Another way I try to look at it like is this: Time has passed since r/b/y and since that adventure the professor had stumbled upon the other region. Then again, this is just my opinion. |
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That seems like the opinion that makes the most sense... note I said "most." As far as I see, there's no theory that makes 100% sense, so maybe I'll just pick the old and crazy idea :P |
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all that time travelling must of gave him memory loss XD |
He bumped his head the day he met Red...
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....Huh. I never thought about it, but you're right...
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Lol. Who cares? People who care too much are fail.
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I figured out.
The Original Oak is the real him, and the one in Gen II is a Ditto. i am geenyus gies |
Prof. Oak is not a trainer. Trainers are the ones who explore wild grass. Prof. Oak never explored the grass because he thought 151 was it. Every Pokemon. Why would you explore iif you thought you had explored everything already?
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he does say in the beggining of the games that he used to be a trainer |
Hey, Prof. Oaks pretty old! Cut the guy some slack xD
Yep, indeed, he use to be a pokemon trainer. |
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It also interests me how Oak has a radio show broadcasted exclusively in Johto that's about the locations of Johto pokemon. Oak just straight-up lied to Red && Blue. Jerk. =PP Quote:
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I personally think he was saying there are 151 Pokemon in Kanto.
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Pro. Oak is too engrossed with his poems to notice anything new, until someone comes up to his face and shove their "newly discovered" pokemon lol.
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Anyway, I just assume he never told the protagonist (Red) of RBY about the Pokémon in Johto. He sent his grandson & Red out on a quest in Kanto to collect data on every Pokémon. Maybe he did that because he was so busy communicating back and forth with his colleagues in Johto about the Pokémon there that he didn't have time to go out and get field data on everything in Johto? Kanto was a test to make sure his Pokédex worked and once he had a complete listing there, he decided to start the process again in Johto. :> |
Another thing I found out. SOme guy named Chad called me and told me that Prof. Oak and Kurt the freakin Pokeball maker go way back. WAAAYYYY BACK. Not only was Prof. Oak in kahootz with Prof. Elm, but he knew Kurt too!
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But he's an old man, cut him some slack. Sheesh! |
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lol, didnt realize that, but then again, that's nintendo logic for ya... |
Professor Oak is in fact the strongest Pokemon in the world. Because of this, he already knows everything about Pokemon (and doesn't have to care about trivial things like what Gary's name is). He disguises himself as an old man, and for kicks and giggles he only shares parts of his knowledge at a time. Together with his lackeys, the other Professors, he entices countless young children to leave their homes to train endlessly with Pokemon and "catch 'em all" until they become unstoppable. These children, wielding all the world's legendary Pokemon, are at his beck and call. Because of this, Professor Oak pretty much owns the world, so of course he doesn't have to tell the people of Kanto in Gen I about the rest of the Pokemon.
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lol, well maybe he became friends with Mr. Pokemon after traveling to the Johto region? Still it is funny.
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