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Team Rocket's Raichu April 16th, 2010 2:21 PM

Day of Silence
 
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Well, the Day of Silence was here today, and I wore the piece of paper supporting homosexual rights though I couldn't stay quiet.

Well, that's better than nothing.

What did you do to end the silence?

Sydian April 16th, 2010 5:23 PM

I honestly didn't know it was today. At my old school, people were all about it. I even got bullied for partaking in it. At my current school, no one, not even any LGBT people, seem to know about it. We tried telling them one year, but they took it offensively. :|

Either way, I haven't been silent since 9th grade. Besides, it's our spring break right now, so no one would know whether I'm doing it or not. It's either unknown or looked down upon in Alabama anyway.

Izanagi April 16th, 2010 5:29 PM

I didn't partake, because I personally, and not to be taken personally, don't support gay marriage and the likes.

Luck April 16th, 2010 5:39 PM

Staying quiet about a subject that needs to be talked about seems counter productive, doesn't it?
It isn't like being quiet will make groups like the National Organization For Marriage open their eyes and see that they were just being homophobic bigots the whole time.

Ayselipera April 16th, 2010 5:50 PM

My school did the day of silence yesterday.

You just pay five dollars for a t-shirt that says 'Day of Silence 2010' so the teachers know you're partaking in it for the day. After that then you, don't talk for the rest of the day of course. Everyone is usually respectful of it. Although I support LGBT rights I didn't join it. I could never stay silent for a whole day. I feel like if I joined I'd end up talking and that would make me seem like I wasn't taking it seriously or that I was being disrespectful. :/

Mattysaurus April 16th, 2010 6:11 PM

I forgot it was today until lunch.
They I was silent the rest of the day.
If that counts. :/

Aureol April 16th, 2010 6:16 PM

Well, it's a poll, so I'm posting my answer as well. This is a highly sensitive subject and one I care not to debate on the internet (in-person conversations always seem to work out better for me :P). Anyways, I do not support it. I will not tell why, but I can say that not all reasons are religious. I won't assault anyone for celebrating this either...

Well, let me be clearer. I don't support gay marriage, but I DO support the end of discriminative bullying and whatnot. It's one thing to fight for what you believe in, but bullying, mocking, assault or any of those behaviors are wrong, no matter what group it's aimed at. So, in a sense I do support this day, but in another sense I don't.

EDIT: Wait a minute, this is allowed at a public school? For some reason, if this was aimed for Jews, I doubt they would receive the same sympathy...

{NM}Redwolf April 16th, 2010 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Izanagi (Post 5722675)
I didn't partake, because I personally, and not to be taken personally, don't support gay marriage and the likes.

I'm with you all the way man. I'm a catholic so i frown upon such things. that and i'm homophobic..........

Gary, the Magic Fairy April 16th, 2010 6:48 PM

I didn't do anything because I didn't know such a thing existed and I wouldn't anyway because it seems stupid. I love gay people, but that just doesn't make sense. No one cares if you don't talk for a day. Here's a better idea: stop talking to people who are against homosexuals. Forever. That would be more effective.

Timbjerr April 16th, 2010 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by {NM}Redwolf (Post 5722813)
I'm with you all the way man. I'm a catholic so i frown upon such things. that and i'm homophobic..........

I'm a confirmed Roman Catholic too, but I don't particularly think it's right to take the Bible at face value. The laws of Leviticus may or may not be valid, but it's not our place to force them on people who don't believe them.

Besides, did Jesus not say to love one another as he has loved us? Why all the hate in his name?

Also, I always forget the day of silence. I'm rather quiet in my day-to-day life anyways, so I bet no one noticed. XD

Izanagi April 16th, 2010 6:59 PM

My friend, who said anything about hate? I don't hate homosexuals, I have homosexual friends, but that does not, by any means, mean I approve of their sexual prefferences.

Timbjerr April 16th, 2010 7:03 PM

My post was directed at the dude who just explicitly described himself as a homophobic, not you. You're alright. :P

NarutoActor April 16th, 2010 7:03 PM

Ew, they had this at my school. I was like ohh your being silent eh? Well this will be a great time to inform you that homosexuality is an abomination :3 haha they where getting so mad. I tried to see how many people I can make talk. I was getting quite good at it, I knew exactly what buttons to press. In totally I made 11 people break there row, shows how serious they where about that. :)

Åzurε April 16th, 2010 7:08 PM

I'm no homophobe, but I don't support it (Christian here). I really don't get the whole issue with LGBT, why there's so many people making a show of standing up for them. It appears they've become something of a vocal minority anyways. I get the whole playground stigma (Gay as an insult, etc.), but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if lots of people who end up identifying themselves like this just confused kids learning about so many different forms of sex before they should, and plain ol' drama.

It's funny how us churchgoers need to hush up, but we gotta fight, fight, fight for gay rights. Little observations.

Also, Timbjerr, the Bible doesn't work like that in my experience. Homosexuality, at least, is directly addressed as a sin in both Old and New Testaments. I'm not saying we should all go "Gays go to hell", but glossing over a bit of the Bible to make it more attractive to a single person defeats the point.

EDIT: Eh, Aureol has it right. It's not the time or thread to try that again. I wasn't trying to start a debate in any case.

Aureol April 16th, 2010 7:52 PM

Hey guys, it's awesome there are so many that are on the same side as me on this issue, but can we please leave that stuff out? There's nothing worse than a debate thread on abortion/LGBT morality/religious tolerance/other moral issues. Let's just leave the topic at whether you supported this day or not before we get angryfaces.

wee187 April 16th, 2010 8:10 PM

Eh, I kind of already had my angryface, not at people's opposition to the DOS, but the insults at it. Spitting in someone's face like some do just really anger me sometimes.

donavannj April 16th, 2010 8:15 PM

I was not aware of such a day (but I live in a socially conservative area of a politically divided state).

This does, however, remind me of something many of the members of the SADD (Students Against Drunk Driving) organization at my school have done on a yearly basis: paint their faces black and white and not speak the whole day to advocate against drunk driving and to be a representation of those who have died in such accidents.

Shiny April 16th, 2010 8:31 PM

I was meaning to partake in this, but alas my brother annoyed me until I hurled abuse at him.

shookie April 16th, 2010 8:38 PM

I totally forgot it was today :S Thankfully I'm normally a quiet person, and seeing as how there weren't that many people in my class today, I didn't talk much anyway.
As a supporter of the LGBT community and friends to those who are or were bullied, I support the day as a whole. I'm not a big fan of being uppity about it to people, I would only make it clear if I had something that I had to talk about, like a presentation or something similar.

When I was a Sophomore in high school, I participated in something similar, which was school-run instead of through a larger group. Rather than focus on LGBT, it was focused on drunk driving and its consequences. I was "killed" in Biology class and spent the rest of the day dressed in black with my face painted white, and I couldn't talk to anybody. I also had to sit at a certain table for lunch, and at the end of the day, everybody that participated stood by the exits to face all of the people leaving.

.Gamer April 16th, 2010 8:45 PM

I didn't even know it existed if that says anything about what I did...

But I probably wouldn't participate anyway because imo protests are a waste of time and it reminds me of those people who wear tape on their mouths to protest abortion and are a joke.

MegaSlowBro. April 16th, 2010 8:54 PM

My school did it today, and people had to papers stuck on their shirts, backpacks, etc. I wanted to partake in it, but I didn't. Mainly because I don't think I could last the whole day without talking, and if I did (while doing it), I would feel really bad that I broke the silence.

chadgraphix April 16th, 2010 9:00 PM

It happened at my school, today. It was kinda cool. It wasn't just people who were LGBT, it was for the GSA (Gay Straight Alliance).

They wore tape over their mouth with an X on it to represent it.

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BTW, the majority of Pokemon players are straight male teenagers, who happen to be more closed mindeded than other people. I'm bi, but didn't participitate.

twocows April 16th, 2010 10:41 PM

Nope, didn't participate. I'm all for equal treatment of everyone, but this just seems silly to me. If I want to make a difference, I'll donate to the ACLU or something.

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Originally Posted by chadgraphix (Post 5723310)
BTW, the majority of Pokemon players are straight male teenagers, who happen to be more closed mindeded than other people.

Oh irony.

Kura April 16th, 2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary, the Magic Fairy (Post 5722905)
I didn't do anything because I didn't know such a thing existed and I wouldn't anyway because it seems stupid. I love gay people, but that just doesn't make sense. No one cares if you don't talk for a day. Here's a better idea: stop talking to people who are against homosexuals. Forever. That would be more effective.

I kinda agree with this. ://

professor plum April 16th, 2010 11:45 PM

Okay, so about this. I had everything planned out in advance: I had cards printed out, fliers to hand out, information about it [like who it is in memory of this year, 4 truths, etc.] and everything was going great most of the day. I was quiet. I gave my friends cards so they'd be in the loop. Word spread around the school, and my [gay ex-boy]friend was silent with me.

. . But, of course, today of all days was the day we were setting up for prom. So, I, being bossy and responsible was given the task to instruct people on the creation of a 17 foot tall replica of the Eiffel Tower . . and that was just the beginning. After a while, it became too much of a bother to stay quiet / write everything out and I resumed speaking to bark orders out. :\

And yeah, since we [my friend and I] were roped into helping all day, the DoS kind of dropped :[
Had it been any other day, we'd have been able to keep silent, but it just isn't safe when handling tools/putting stuff together without communication lol. D:

So, yeah. XD;

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But I probably wouldn't participate anyway because imo protests are a waste of time and it reminds me of those people who wear tape on their mouths to protest abortion and are a joke.
Lol. My friends were like "wtf" when I wasn't talking - because I talk. A lot. And then I handed them the pamphlet and they were like oh wow. And . . it got people talking, so idk. Lol.

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Ew, they had this at my school. I was like ohh your being silent eh? Well this will be a great time to inform you that homosexuality is an abomination :3 haha they where getting so mad. I tried to see how many people I can make talk. I was getting quite good at it, I knew exactly what buttons to press. In totally I made 11 people break there row, shows how serious they where about that. :)
..lol. mature.

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didn't do anything because I didn't know such a thing existed and I wouldn't anyway because it seems stupid. I love gay people, but that just doesn't make sense. No one cares if you don't talk for a day. Here's a better idea: stop talking to people who are against homosexuals. Forever. That would be more effective.
That's not exactly feasible :P
What's wrong with spreading tolerance?

Haters to the left, kthnx.

PokemonLeagueChamp April 17th, 2010 4:21 AM

All right, time for my rant(not intended to cause ragewars).

Point 1: This may not be the case for anyone else, but despite living in a relatively conservative area, the school I go to is rather liberal. This means that our GLASS(Gay Lesbian And Straight Society)Club is very prominent. Hell, last year they and their banner were at the front of our homecoming parade, and THAT was the picture that made it into the yearbook. But that's not my main point here. A while back I called my friend "gay"(because TBH he was indeed acting a bit gay)and then I had somebody off GLASS say, "I'm offended by that." Now, for starters, that shows they at least are definitely NOT silent to bullying, even when it was just joking to my friend and not even remotely having to do with them. The other thing is, who was expected to be silent there? The glares I got from the members sitting at their table tells me that they at least think I shouldn't say stuff like that, even though I have Freedom of Speech(which is unfortunately be destroyed by a number of factors)and I wasn't bullying them, or talking to them, or even LOOKING at them in any way intending on getting them riled up. At any rate, why should that happen because I was talking to my friend? If this is where all this gay-rights stuff combined with that God-awful political correctness is going, life's gonna suck for me and others who, again, make such jokes like that with their friends.

Point 2: I am more than willing to admit that I have not, did not, and probably will not participate in the Day of Silence. My reasons are few but likely controversial, so I will keep them brief. I am no supportor of gay marriage and the like. While I support the natural-born rights of everyone(although in this day and age, "everyone" means only minorities, thanks political correctness), I don't exactly consider marriage to be a right, certainly not a right everyone has. The whole "tolerance" idea, while I'm not a big fan of the whole homosexual thing(concerning yourself with my reason is unwise at this or pretty much any other time), is something I'm fine with. Just don't come up surrounding me with all your groups and your banners up in my face and try to make it like I have some kind of problem because I'll have nothing to do with your protests and meetings.

Point 3: Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, ever got better treatment by just being silent. Just look at the United States. If we hadn't opened up our mouths and told the British exactly what we wanted and how far we would go to get it, the USA may full well never have existed. If you expect anyone to listen to you, or what you believe in, you cannot be silent. No one will hear you, even if they want to.

Well, that'll be enough outta me. Again, this is not intended to offend, or cause rage wars.

Yusshin April 17th, 2010 5:46 AM

I never knew about this. Then again, I wouldn't participate, since I don't believe homosexuals should be "married" - moreso joined in a different type of contract that grants the same rights, but doesn't extend to a holy ritual.

Code April 17th, 2010 5:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5724033)
All right, time for my rant(not intended to cause ragewars).

Point 1: This may not be the case for anyone else, but despite living in a relatively conservative area, the school I go to is rather liberal. This means that our GLASS(Gay Lesbian And Straight Society)Club is very prominent. Hell, last year they and their banner were at the front of our homecoming parade, and THAT was the picture that made it into the yearbook. But that's not my main point here. A while back I called my friend "gay"(because TBH he was indeed acting a bit gay)and then I had somebody off GLASS say, "I'm offended by that." Now, for starters, that shows they at least are definitely NOT silent to bullying, even when it was just joking to my friend and not even remotely having to do with them. The other thing is, who was expected to be silent there? The glares I got from the members sitting at their table tells me that they at least think I shouldn't say stuff like that, even though I have Freedom of Speech(which is unfortunately be destroyed by a number of factors)and I wasn't bullying them, or talking to them, or even LOOKING at them in any way intending on getting them riled up. At any rate, why should that happen because I was talking to my friend? If this is where all this gay-rights stuff combined with that God-awful political correctness is going, life's gonna suck for me and others who, again, make such jokes like that with their friends.

Point 2: I am more than willing to admit that I have not, did not, and probably will not participate in the Day of Silence. My reasons are few but likely controversial, so I will keep them brief. I am no supportor of gay marriage and the like. While I support the natural-born rights of everyone(although in this day and age, "everyone" means only minorities, thanks political correctness), I don't exactly consider marriage to be a right, certainly not a right everyone has. The whole "tolerance" idea, while I'm not a big fan of the whole homosexual thing(concerning yourself with my reason is unwise at this or pretty much any other time), is something I'm fine with. Just don't come up surrounding me with all your groups and your banners up in my face and try to make it like I have some kind of problem because I'll have nothing to do with your protests and meetings.

Point 3: Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, ever got better treatment by just being silent. Just look at the United States. If we hadn't opened up our mouths and told the British exactly what we wanted and how far we would go to get it, the USA may full well never have existed. If you expect anyone to listen to you, or what you believe in, you cannot be silent. No one will hear you, even if they want to.

Well, that'll be enough outta me. Again, this is not intended to offend, or cause rage wars.

Point 1.
I agree with the people who were offended by your comment on this one. The way you used the word "Gay" as an insult, or as a description of a way to behave was wrong. The stereotypical gay person is happy and very feminine, but you don't need to be gay to act like any of these two things.
And all gays aren't just happy and feminine, so there is really no reason to say: "You look really gay right now" as a description of how someone looks.
I don't know if I summarized my point correctly, but please don't misunderstand me.

Point 2.
Here I respect your views. I do not agree with them, but they are your views, and it is your right to have them. At least they aren't offensive. And nobody can complain about this one. Me, myself? I am for Gay marriage, but that doesn't mean you have to be.

Point 3.
Here I agree with you completely. I think that people should rather speak up for the gays instead of staying silent for them. Who the heck does this help anyway?
=)

Esper April 17th, 2010 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5724249)
I never knew about this. Then again, I wouldn't participate, since I don't believe homosexuals should be "married" - moreso joined in a different type of contract that grants the same rights, but doesn't extend to a holy ritual.

That's not the point of it. Its purpose is to draw attention to bullying and other things queer kids in school have to put up with.

I didn't participate because I forgot about it. At least I can vote.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 9:45 AM

Everyone is saying that staying silent defeats the purpose... which everyone themselves contradict themselves with, because obviously it spread awareness. Nobody was talking. People are expected to talk. When people don't respond to you, you gotta wonder why, and then they take a look at your shirt or card, and boom, they know about the Day of Silence. It's the fact that it is silent that it is effective with so many people.

professor plum April 17th, 2010 9:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5724033)
All right, time for my rant(not intended to cause ragewars).

Point 1: This may not be the case for anyone else, but despite living in a relatively conservative area, the school I go to is rather liberal. This means that our GLASS(Gay Lesbian And Straight Society)Club is very prominent. Hell, last year they and their banner were at the front of our homecoming parade, and THAT was the picture that made it into the yearbook. But that's not my main point here. A while back I called my friend "gay"(because TBH he was indeed acting a bit gay)and then I had somebody off GLASS say, "I'm offended by that." Now, for starters, that shows they at least are definitely NOT silent to bullying, even when it was just joking to my friend and not even remotely having to do with them. The other thing is, who was expected to be silent there? The glares I got from the members sitting at their table tells me that they at least think I shouldn't say stuff like that, even though I have Freedom of Speech(which is unfortunately be destroyed by a number of factors)and I wasn't bullying them, or talking to them, or even LOOKING at them in any way intending on getting them riled up. At any rate, why should that happen because I was talking to my friend? If this is where all this gay-rights stuff combined with that God-awful political correctness is going, life's gonna suck for me and others who, again, make such jokes like that with their friends.

Well, then perhaps you need a new vocabulary. To be gay is not something derogatory. /PSA
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Point 2: I am more than willing to admit that I have not, did not, and probably will not participate in the Day of Silence. My reasons are few but likely controversial, so I will keep them brief. I am no supportor of gay marriage and the like. While I support the natural-born rights of everyone(although in this day and age, "everyone" means only minorities, thanks political correctness), I don't exactly consider marriage to be a right, certainly not a right everyone has. The whole "tolerance" idea, while I'm not a big fan of the whole homosexual thing(concerning yourself with my reason is unwise at this or pretty much any other time), is something I'm fine with. Just don't come up surrounding me with all your groups and your banners up in my face and try to make it like I have some kind of problem because I'll have nothing to do with your protests and meetings.

Everyone means everyone. And . . well, what you get is probably the overdramatics of teenagers who are trying to be ~so serious~ about this and wind up making themselves look bad. Don't let some bad apples ruin your perspective of everyone ^^

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Point 3: Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, ever got better treatment by just being silent. Just look at the United States. If we hadn't opened up our mouths and told the British exactly what we wanted and how far we would go to get it, the USA may full well never have existed. If you expect anyone to listen to you, or what you believe in, you cannot be silent. No one will hear you, even if they want to.

Well, that'll be enough outta me. Again, this is not intended to offend, or cause rage wars.

..you've missed the point. It's not saying protesting/marches don't work, it's just a form of . . contrast. Think of it like this: instead of being loud and open about it, or just normally talkative or whatever, instead they're showing their true support for a cause they think just. It doesn't have to be the gay day of silence either, I'm referring to Days of Silence in general :B

FreakyLocz14 April 17th, 2010 9:59 AM

I'm not gonna get scolded in school over something silly like LGBT wanting special priveleges.
I'm not opposed to them getting them but I'm not gonna risk academic discipline over it.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 10:05 AM

Nice to see this turning into a debate thread instead of the purpose. Do you support the DoS, and did you participate.

{NM}Redwolf April 17th, 2010 10:06 AM

I hate to break everyones wishes and all but a world with out a certain group being bullied will never happen. Its like world peace. It will never happen because people can't ever agree all on the same thing. As long as there are gays there will be people making fun of them. Its like Hitlers effect on the jews. There are still Neo Nazis that follow him today. I'm glad i don't have any gays at my school because i would probably get in a fight with one because i am against gay rights. Sorry but i'm a catholic and i see it as a sin.

Honest April 17th, 2010 11:30 AM

My school was crazy about this day, and took it very seriously. I did participate, and though I really didn't do anything to stop the quarrels of gay, lesbian, bisexual people, etc, I did manage to stop saying insulting stuff that would hurt there feelings (ex: That's so gay, etc)

Yamikarasu April 17th, 2010 12:48 PM

I knew it was coming up, but I forgot about it. Oh well, I wasn't going to participate anyway, since I don't have that kind of discipline to stay silent the entire day. :/

I'll support gay rights in other ways, like voting to end discrimination as soon as I can.

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Originally Posted by {NM}Redwolf (Post 5725201)
I hate to break everyones wishes and all but a world with out a certain group being bullied will never happen. Its like world peace. It will never happen because people can't ever agree all on the same thing. As long as there are gays there will be people making fun of them. Its like Hitlers effect on the jews. There are still Neo Nazis that follow him today. I'm glad i don't have any gays at my school because i would probably get in a fight with one because i am against gay rights. Sorry but i'm a catholic and i see it as a sin.

Ha. Wow. Twisted logic is twisted.

{NM}Redwolf April 17th, 2010 12:53 PM

I'm just being honest. You can hope and dream all you want but some things will never happen. This is just one of them. People aren't meant to get along with everyone. Something a lot of people don't understand. They waste their lives trying to make everyone like them and it never works. As long as there are people there will be wars. I believe Albert Einstein said this or someone famous...i forget who. Whether it be actual wars or just arguements, they will always happen and will never go away.

Yamikarasu April 17th, 2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by {NM}Redwolf (Post 5725785)
I'm just being honest. You can hope and dream all you want but some things will never happen. This is just one of them. People aren't meant to get along with everyone. Something a lot of people don't understand. They waste their lives trying to make everyone like them and it never works. As long as there are people there will be wars. I believe Albert Einstein said this or someone famous...i forget who. Whether it be actual wars or just arguements, they will always happen and will never go away.

You should have told that to Martin Luther King. Yeah, there are still racists, but you simply cannot argue that black people are not treated better than they were 50 years ago. The same can be said for women, thanks to feminist movements they are treated better, yet there are still sexists. That's why we have civil rights movements, like the fight for gay rights now. Wow.

Silver April 17th, 2010 1:04 PM

My highschool does it at a later date because we're always on Spring Break during the actual one. And though I do support LGBT rights, I probably won't be partaking in our day of silence this year. Because it does seem counter productive. =/

{NM}Redwolf April 17th, 2010 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamikarasu (Post 5725795)
You should have told that to Martin Luther King. Yeah, there are still racists, but you simply cannot argue that black people are not treated better than they were 50 years ago. The same can be said for women, thanks to feminist movements they are treated better, yet there are still sexists. That's why we have civil rights movements, like the fight for gay rights now. Wow.

Things improved but the "war" is still there. It never was "won" or ended. It still goes on today and just cause thing are great here doesn't mean they are world wide. Hint, look at the women's rights in Iran or whats happening to gay people down in the African country(don't recall name).

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 1:18 PM

This is about the Day of Silence, and if you participated. Why are all threads like this turned into a debate thread. :(

Throat April 17th, 2010 1:34 PM

So you do something to defy this same thing?

shookie April 17th, 2010 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Rocket's Raichu (Post 5725884)
This is about the Day of Silence, and if you participated. Why are all threads like this turned into a debate thread. :(

Differences of opinion, and people are headstrong with what they they think is wrong or right.

I don't care if you think homosexuality is a sin or you don't think they should get married or anything. My dad told me he would rather ship me out to Iraq than have me become a chain-smoking lesbian. My mom grew up in a strictly Catholic household. If I was gay and was abused for it by my peers, they wouldn't have stood by going "Well that's what you get for liking women." Bullying, discrimination and physical/verbal abuse is still wrong even if they didn't agree with my lifestyle.

I mostly support the Day of Silence because one of my best friends was gay, and because some people didn't like that, she never got to go through high school or college. I was also bullied to the point where I wasn't allowed on my own bus ride home, all because a group of kids decided they didn't like me based on how I looked and dressed. It's a very sore subject for me, which is why I support *any* day or event that brings awareness to things like this.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamikarasu (Post 5725795)
You should have told that to Martin Luther King. Yeah, there are still racists, but you simply cannot argue that black people are not treated better than they were 50 years ago. The same can be said for women, thanks to feminist movements they are treated better, yet there are still sexists. That's why we have civil rights movements, like the fight for gay rights now. Wow.

No I hate it when people try to compare civil rights movement to homosexuality. Being black isn't a sin. You are born black, you aren't born gay(weather you don't want to believe that with your twisted logic ,or not; you are not born gay)

Blacks where being oppressed and, not allowed in cretin schools. If your gay, you can still go to a straight school. No madder how much bullying you got for being gay, it was a 1000 times worse for blacks; so saying that it was the same thing is mest up to all the African Americans who fought for equality.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726055)
No I hate it when people try to compare civil rights movement to homosexuality. Being black isn't a sin. You are born black, you aren't born gay(weather you don't want to believe that with your twisted logic ,or not; you are not born gay)

Blacks where being oppressed and, not allowed in cretin schools. If your gay, you can still go to a straight school. No madder how much bullying you got for being gay, it was a 1000 times worse for blacks; so saying that it was the same thing is mest up to all the African Americans who fought for equality.

Talk about twisted logic... You say homosexuality is a sin and an abomination, yet you do nothing to stop them "sinning". I believe you're supposed to, based on the Catholic religion? It seems to me that you're more just afraid and homophobic than anything. Some people are gay. Deal with it. But when you make a post like this...

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5722953)
Ew, they had this at my school. I was like ohh your being silent eh? Well this will be a great time to inform you that homosexuality is an abomination :3 haha they where getting so mad. I tried to see how many people I can make talk. I was getting quite good at it, I knew exactly what buttons to press. In totally I made 11 people break there row, shows how serious they where about that. :)

...wow... As Sydian said, that post makes me feel embarrassed to even have a religion. Bullying people is wrong, "breaking people" because you think it's fun is wrong, and you feeling no conscious whatsoever for that just sickens me to my stomach. Staying silent and defiant of rights that every person, homosexual, bisexual, straight, or whatever, deserves? That's right. But bullying people like you did is the real sin, the real abomination.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:15 PM

I am not bulling anyone, like you said I should do something to try to stop those sinners from sinning.

I am not scared of any gay, I don't get nervous when I am around them, I tell them what they are doing is wrong. How is that being scared of them?

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726262)
I am not bulling anyone, like you said I should do something to try to stop those sinners from sinning.

I am not scared of any gay, I don't get nervous when I am around them, I tell them what they are doing is wrong. How is that being scared of them?

Homophobia can also refer to not liking them, which is what you're doing.

Also, will you try to prevent me from eating pork and shellfish?

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:26 PM

Why would I prevent you from eating?! I am not catholic xD I eat Shel fish all the time. Also I don't dislike gays, I just believe what they are doing is wrong. It's like if you have a drug addicted friend.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726262)
I am not bulling anyone, like you said I should do something to try to stop those sinners from sinning.

I am not scared of any gay, I don't get nervous when I am around them, I tell them what they are doing is wrong. How is that being scared of them?

Because you just missed the entire point. It's not wrong, what you're saying to them is. My best friend is bisexual, and he's told me before he'd do anything to become straight. That really tore me up, because he hasn't completely accepted it yet, and yet you think people go gay just because they feel like it. It's how you're saying such crude things to people with no care about the other's feelings that makes what you said disgust me.

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726281)
Why would I prevent you from eating?! I am not catholic xD I eat Shel fish all the time. Also I don't dislike gays, I just believe what they are doing is wrong. It's like if you have a drug addicted friend.

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Ew, they had this at my school. I was like ohh your being silent eh? Well this will be a great time to inform you that homosexuality is an abomination :3 haha they where getting so mad. I tried to see how many people I can make talk. I was getting quite good at it, I knew exactly what buttons to press.
So if you don't dislike them, is that how you treat everybody?

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726281)
Why would I prevent you from eating?! I am not catholic xD I eat Shel fish all the time. Also I don't dislike gays, I just believe what they are doing is wrong. It's like if you have a drug addicted friend.

So you admitted to accepting only parts of the bible. Stop that. No one likes a cherry picker.
Whatever happened to the golden rule?

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5726294)
So you admitted to accepting only parts of the bible. Stop that. No one likes a cherry picker.
Whatever happened to the golden rule?

Well personally I think people have the right to interpret any religious document with their own opinion, and "cherry picking" may not be always wrong because the bible has changed so sporadically since Jesus actually delivered it. If people cherry pick the bible itself when they rewrite it, then I can't blame people for doing them same when they read it. But that's really besides the point, it doesn't have much to do with the DoS...

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726303)
Well personally I think people have the right to interpret any religious document with their own opinion, and "cherry picking" may not be always wrong because the bible has changed so sporadically since Jesus actually delivered it. If people cherry pick the bible itself when they rewrite it, then I can't blame people for doing them same when they read it. But that's really besides the point, it doesn't have much to do with the DoS...

Choosing what group you want to hate and using a religion as an excuse is horrid. I don't see how anyone can do that.
I'm getting offtopic, but whatevs.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5726308)
Choosing what group you want to hate and using a religion as an excuse is horrid. I don't see how anyone can do that.
I'm getting offtopic, but whatevs.

Well, yeah, I 100% agree with you there, but I'm just saying in general. xD Though I'm not an expert, I'm not Catholic or any form of Christian at all, so I dunno. Maybe I just misinterpreted what you said.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5726294)
So you admitted to accepting only parts of the bible. Stop that. No one likes a cherry picker.
Whatever happened to the golden rule?

Jesus revoked those rules in the new testament. So you should try reading the bible before quoting it, eh?

@that other guy wee or somethin'

I treat everyone will kindness and respect, but I will not turn a blind eye to someone sinning right in front of me. How do you treat... lets say a prostitute?

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726359)
Jesus revoked those rules in the new testament. So you should try reading the bible before quoting it, eh?

He came to enforce the rules, not to abolish it.
Don't think you can get away with that dishonesty.

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I treat everyone will kindness and respect, but I will not turn a blind eye to someone sinning right in front of me. How do you treat... lets say a prostitute?
So you insult them like a child instead of trying to show them the supposed light.
I'm getting the feeling that you are closeted That's some pretty kinky stuff :3

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5726373)
He came to enforce the rules, not to abolish it.
Don't think you can get away with that dishonesty.



So you insult them like a child instead of trying to show them the supposed light.
I'm getting the feeling that you are closeted That's some pretty kinky stuff :3

ew no man that's just gross.

I don't insult them I inform them what they are doing is wrong and I would like to invite you to church, because Jesus loves you.

How can you say you know more about the bible then me, when I have read the whole bible, and your not even a christian. You just hear something that you think is logical/witty and you copy it for your own arguments :D

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726382)
ew no man that's just gross.

I don't insult them I inform them what they are doing is wrong and I would like to invite you to church, because Jesus loves you.

How can you say you know more about the bible then me, when I have read the whole bible, and your not even a christian. You just hear something that you think is logical/witty and you copy it for your own arguments :D

Ladies and gentleman, exhibit A.
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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5722953)
Ew, they had this at my school. I was like ohh your being silent eh? Well this will be a great time to inform you that homosexuality is an abomination :3 haha they where getting so mad. I tried to see how many people I can make talk. I was getting quite good at it, I knew exactly what buttons to press. In totally I made 11 people break there row, shows how serious they where about that. :)


*applause*

Whatever, it's not like there is any point in talking to you about this. You clearly aren't going to change your thoughts when the only reason you have to hate is "my religion doesn't like it."

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726359)
Jesus revoked those rules in the new testament. So you should try reading the bible before quoting it, eh?

@that other guy wee or somethin'

I treat everyone will kindness and respect, but I will not turn a blind eye to someone sinning right in front of me. How do you treat... lets say a prostitute?

It's wee187.

One, that's not respect, or kindness. Two, being gay and being a prostitute are completely different things. Like I said, you don't just choose to be gay. My guess, based off how my friend realized he was bisexual, is that you just start feeling it and you can't change it. And it's not a sin if you can't help it. Comparing a prostitute and a gay person is completely irrelevant because most gay people don't go out and have sex with random guys.

To answer your question though, so you don't say "you didn't answer the question"... I'd treat a prostitute with pity and suspicion but I certainly wouldn't treat him/her like you treated people on the Day of Silence.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726392)
It's wee187.

One, that's not respect, or kindness. Two, being gay and being a prostitute are completely different things. Like I said, you don't just choose to be gay. My guess, based off how my friend realized he was bisexual, is that you just start feeling it and you can't change it. And it's not a sin if you can't help it. Comparing a prostitute and a gay person is completely irrelevant because most gay people don't go out and have sex with random guys.

To answer your question though, so you don't say "you didn't answer the question"... I'd treat a prostitute with pity and suspicion but I certainly wouldn't treat him/her like you treated people on the Day of Silence.

What if the prostitute sais she can't help it, she keeps on getting these urges. She sais she was born this way, but she wants to have a normal relationship.

You chose to be gay if you can't over come your sinful urges that's your problem, and you should go ask God for forgiveness.

@luck
I don't hate them xD I don't go around beating them up.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726404)
What if the prostitute sais she can't help it, she keeps on getting these urges. She sais she was born this way, but she wants to have a normal relationship.

You chose to be gay if you can't over come your sinful urges that's your problem, and you should go ask God for forgiveness.

@luck
I don't hate them xD I don't go around beating them up.

One, urges aren't sins if you don't choose for them to come to you. Let's take this into perspective. You and me, let's chat right here. Say we lived in a world of opposites where straight relationships were outlawed and everybody was gay. Don't question it, just know that in this made-up world, being straight is a sin because their(let me make up a book) because their holy book known as the Forumpost says all straight relations are "abominations". Now, let's say you live in that world. Don't say, "oh but I don't, so it doesn't matter~" or anything to get off the point, just answer the question. Let's say you live in that world, and you're straight as a pin. When you turn 13 you get these funny feelings around girls and you're scared you'll get harassed by people when they find out you're straight. The Forumpost says it's a sin if "you can't resist the urges and be like everybody else". But you can't, you just don't feel the same when with a guy, you're only falling in love with women. Let's say there's many others like you now, who have set this think up called the Day of Silence to end the discrimination against straight people. You participate, but this guy known as ActorNaruto (yeah, I switched it, that's not you) goes around making fun at these protesters by making them talk and pressing "the right buttons".

You're straight, but now you're an utter sinner because you just can't like guys, no matter how hard you try, and now the Forumpost says you're gonna go to hell because of it.
----

Take that into perspective, NarutoActor. In a reversed, reversed world(our real world), that's how every gay person feels. They can't help it. You can't help being straight. They can't help being gay or bisexual or whatever.

Oh, but
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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726404)
that's your problem

.

Sad. If religion teaches people not to question things and not to actually think... then to hell with it.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726438)
One, urges aren't sins if you don't choose for them to come to you. Let's take this into perspective. You and me, let's chat right here. Say we lived in a world of opposites where straight relationships were outlawed and everybody was gay. Don't question it, just know that in this made-up world, being straight is a sin because their(let me make up a book) because their holy book known as the Forumpost says all straight relations are "abominations". Now, let's say you live in that world. Don't say, "oh but I don't, so it doesn't matter~" or anything to get off the point, just answer the question. Let's say you live in that world, and you're straight as a pin. When you turn 13 you get these funny feelings around girls and you're scared you'll get harassed by people when they find out you're straight. The Forumpost says it's a sin if "you can't resist the urges and be like everybody else". But you can't, you just don't feel the same when with a guy, you're only falling in love with women. Let's say there's many others like you now, who have set this think up called the Day of Silence to end the discrimination against straight people. You participate, but this guy known as ActorNaruto (yeah, I switched it, that's not you) goes around making fun at these protesters by making them talk and pressing "the right buttons".

You're straight, but now you're an utter sinner because you just can't like guys, no matter how hard you try, and now the Forumpost says you're gonna go to hell because of it.
----

Take that into perspective, NarutoActor. In a reversed, reversed world(our real world), that's how every gay person feels. They can't help it. You can't help being straight. They can't help being gay or bisexual or whatever.

Oh, but .

Sad. If religion teaches people not to question things and not to actually think... then to hell with it.

Sure, I will live in your twisted world for one day. If this was the case I would be praying to FORMO the form springs god. Asking him for help and guidance with my strange urges. (even tho the pluming works for straights and not gays, so the human race was designed to be straight)

Also In that world I would try to please my God, and find favor in him. Even if that means putting things aside that I like. or love. That my friend is true Christainity. ( but I am not sure if you see me as your friend. haha oh well, lets me friends <3 :D)

wee187 April 17th, 2010 4:48 PM

I'll be your friend, sure, as long as you don't go out hurting homosexual people's feelings anymore, which, deny or not, you do. I don't see you stopping either, but I don't know.

If you don't have a problem with me being a Muslim(but you do too...) then I won't mind being your friend. But don't expect me to fall for any propaganda to turn me from my ways of "darkness" as you obviously see it.

Now, to talk about your reply, I have some statements to make. No matter what God says, people are entitled to choose their own way of life. As long as people still pledge themselves to whatever religion they lead, and they lead a good life, trying to do some good in the world, there's no gay or straight reason that they should be punished or sin-filled. There just isn't. It's this line you have to make between yourself and God. You either go all the way or not at all, but most people can usually find the middle ground between freedom and religion. To pledge faith to God isn't to live a life of solitude, closeted feelings, and secrecy. To pledge faith to God is to live your life and prove to God that you can honestly say you led a great life and tried to do something good. Whether the person you're in love with has a dick or not doesn't doesn't matter. Being gay isn't the sin. Living for God and not yourself is. Sure, if you have a religion, then you must love whatever entity that guides you, in this case, God. You definitely should live for God. But God does not say it a sin if you can't change who you are. It's how you live your life in actions. Do you bully and mock a person(example, your original post on this thread about the DoS), or do you accept and respect him/her? I don't think I need to say which way God wants you to live your life. But I will anyway because I don't know if you can pick the right answer. It's freedom and respect.

chadgraphix April 17th, 2010 4:48 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy

Let's end it.

Some people are gay, straight, or even bi (like me). Why don't you send me a hate message telling me how I'm "sinning," even if I haven't even had sex yet. :)

I think this should just be about whether or not you participated in it, and not some long, complicated argument.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726438)
One, urges aren't sins if you don't choose for them to come to you. Let's take this into perspective. You and me, let's chat right here. Say we lived in a world of opposites where straight relationships were outlawed and everybody was gay. Don't question it, just know that in this made-up world, being straight is a sin because their(let me make up a book) because their holy book known as the Forumpost says all straight relations are "abominations". Now, let's say you live in that world. Don't say, "oh but I don't, so it doesn't matter~" or anything to get off the point, just answer the question. Let's say you live in that world, and you're straight as a pin. When you turn 13 you get these funny feelings around girls and you're scared you'll get harassed by people when they find out you're straight. The Forumpost says it's a sin if "you can't resist the urges and be like everybody else". But you can't, you just don't feel the same when with a guy, you're only falling in love with women. Let's say there's many others like you now, who have set this think up called the Day of Silence to end the discrimination against straight people. You participate, but this guy known as ActorNaruto (yeah, I switched it, that's not you) goes around making fun at these protesters by making them talk and pressing "the right buttons".

You're straight, but now you're an utter sinner because you just can't like guys, no matter how hard you try, and now the Forumpost says you're gonna go to hell because of it.
----

Take that into perspective, NarutoActor. In a reversed, reversed world(our real world), that's how every gay person feels. They can't help it. You can't help being straight. They can't help being gay or bisexual or whatever.

Oh, but .

Sad. If religion teaches people not to question things and not to actually think... then to hell with it.

Okay, just because of this well put together and constructive post. I am sending you a friend request.

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726485)
Sure, I will live in your twisted world for one day. If this was the case I would be praying to FORMO the form springs god. Asking him for help and guidance with my strange urges. (even tho the pluming works for straights and not gays, so the human race was designed to be straight)

Also In that world I would try to please my God, and find favor in him. Even if that means putting things aside that I like. or love. That my friend is true Christainity. ( but I am not sure if you see me as your friend. haha oh well, lets me friends <3 :D)

And that is the reason my family gave up on religion many years ago. Intolerance and discrimination to those who are different is a bad thing, and a lot of parts of any religion seems to be an excuse to hate those who are different.

And that part of we are suppose to be straight is a load of ********. Every animal species (yes, humans are animals) on the Planet Earth has some homosexuals in it from primates to gut worms.

Our closely related species is known as the bonobos. The bonobo species is completely bisexual. They use hetro/homosexual sex to dissolve conflict and make sure peace is remained. This is, what I call, a utopia, a society with no conflict and no discrimination. This is an ideal world.

NarutoActor, I don't hate you for not believing what I do. I gave up on stuff like that when I gave up religion. I actually hope we can be friends. I am merely stating my side of the argument, and I am hoping that you will take it in to consideration.

~Team Rocket's Raichu

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726519)
I'll be your friend, sure, as long as you don't go out hurting homosexual people's feelings anymore, which, deny or not, you do. I don't see you stopping either, but I don't know.

If you don't have a problem with me being a Muslim(but you do too...) then I won't mind being your friend. But don't expect me to fall for any propaganda to turn me from my ways of "darkness" as you obviously see it.

Now, to talk about your reply, I have some statements to make. No matter what God says, people are entitled to choose their own way of life. As long as people still pledge themselves to whatever religion they lead, and they lead a good life, trying to do some good in the world, there's no gay or straight reason that they should be punished or sin-filled. There just isn't. It's this line you have to make between yourself and God. You either go all the way or not at all, but most people can usually find the middle ground between freedom and religion. To pledge faith to God isn't to live a life of solitude, closeted feelings, and secrecy. To pledge faith to God is to live your life and prove to God that you can honestly say you led a great life and tried to do something good. Whether the person you're in love with has a dick or not doesn't doesn't matter. Being gay isn't the sin. Living for God and not yourself is. Sure, if you have a religion, then you must love whatever entity that guides you, in this case, God. You definitely should live for God. But God does not say it a sin if you can't change who you are. It's how you live your life in actions. Do you bully and mock a person(example, your original post on this thread about the DoS), or do you accept and respect him/her? I don't think I need to say which way God wants you to live your life. But I will anyway because I don't know if you can pick the right answer. It's freedom and respect.

I love muslems, there so funny <3. The Evangelical goal is to make friends, grow close relationships with them ,and bring them to god. But you can chose to stay at the first step, but I might invite you to church, just don't get mad at me. :D

There is no middle grounds, there is light or darkness. You chose. You either follow God and his entirety or don't follow him at all. God gives you free will.

Back to your world, God wouldn't force me to be gay, he lets me chose. Okay but you say where born gay. So as long as I don't act on those gay feelings I am not sinning. You should ask god to change you because when you ask Jesus into your life your are reborned. ( so now your are born straight, make sense?)

Mario The World Champion April 17th, 2010 4:59 PM

Well, this discussion has gone downhill since someone decided to bring religion into it. It seems like religious people would rather live in their own perfect world then deal with an ever-changing world and condemn people for being gay.

Back to topic, I didn't realize this was going on. I remember some person on the news mentioning it, but I thought it was for support of women who suffered from domestic violence who were afraid to speak out.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 5:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726552)
I love muslems, there so funny <3. The Evangelical goal is to make friends, grow close relationships with them ,and bring them to god. But you can chose to stay at the first step, but I might invite you to church, just don't get mad at me. :D

There is no middle grounds, there is light or darkness. You chose. You either follow God and his entirety or don't follow him at all. God gives you free will.

Back to your world, God wouldn't force me to be gay, he lets me chose. Okay but you say where born gay. So as long as I don't act on those gay feelings I am not sinning. You should ask god to change you because when you ask Jesus into your life your are reborned. ( so now your are born straight, make sense?)


I don't need a Church. I have a Mosque, the "church" for my religion. :) And I believe there are middle grounds, otherwise my friend wouldn't be bisexual. It means he likes men and women.

And if following God means I can't be in the middle grounds, then I don't. But in my religion, we at least have that freedom, and we don't get labeled as sinners for feeling a bit different than everybody else. If anything is done with good intention, God sees it.

And Mario, sorry, yeah it really has spun into a controversial religious debate about homosexuality. I'm done with this thread now, and this argument. NarutoActor, send me a VM if you want to keep up this discussion. I think it's pointless though, since your opinion is basically to call people who can't control their feelings sinners.

But I just realized I never actually said I participated. I did participate in the Day of Silence, and I did my best to stay 100% silent to support my friend and all the people around the world who need to be heard, through the silence. Not speaking raises awareness when people ask why you're not talking. It's just as effective if not more than shouting it to the world.

lx_theo April 17th, 2010 5:25 PM

I support the effort in its entirety, no matter how naive it seems. Though I didn't partake in the effort myself.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 5:26 PM

It seems like that PC is split on whether the Day of Silence is good or bad.

Mario The World Champion April 17th, 2010 5:35 PM

I look at it this way: You are who you are and if some people don't want to accept you, forget them. At least you're following your own path instead of following what it written in some book 2000 years ago and not being flexible about it.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 5:42 PM

The constitution is 200 years old. Should be scrap that? ever herd the saying "if it works, then why try changing it?"

Mario The World Champion April 17th, 2010 5:48 PM

Please don't bring politics into this.

Stairmaster April 17th, 2010 5:49 PM

It's a good cause, but a stupid method. A silent protest?

EDIT: And yeah, why are politics being dragged into this?

shookie April 17th, 2010 5:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726404)
I don't hate them xD I don't go around beating them up.

Yeah, there really isn't enough facepalm in the world for this.

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It's a good cause, but a stupid method. A silent protest?
Not speaking exemplifies that those affected by bullying couldn't, or wouldn't, speak out about it at the risk of further abuse, or because anybody they told wouldn't take action. There's also the few cases of where people pass away as a result, making them unable to speak about their ordeal.
That's how I see it, at least.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stairmaster (Post 5726749)
It's a good cause, but a stupid method. A silent protest?

I respond with this: Not speaking raises awareness when people ask why you're not talking. It's just as effective if not more than shouting it to the world. If you go up to somebody and start talking to them, and they don't respond, you are definitely going to wonder why. It's a silent, peaceful, and very much working method.

Stairmaster April 17th, 2010 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726768)
I respond with this: Not speaking raises awareness when people ask why you're not talking. It's just as effective if not more than shouting it to the world. If you go up to somebody and start talking to them, and they don't respond, you are definitely going to wonder why. It's a silent, peaceful, and very much working method.

It just seems so silly to me though. It seems to further ostracize the participants from their peers.

chadgraphix April 17th, 2010 6:01 PM

Can't we all just get along? *awkward wink*

I think this thread should be closed due to high amounts of debate. We should have a debate forum, prolly.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726723)
The constitution is 200 years old. Should be scrap that? ever herd the saying "if it works, then why try changing it?"

Well, the founding fathers knew that their document would have to change, because people's thoughts and morals change over time. That is why we have something called amendments. That is also why our document is the oldest still in use Constitution, or whatever another country calls their's.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 6:06 PM

Yes, but fundamentally it did not change. Also if morals change that is a scary thing, because then how do you know that you are morally right in the sight of people who look back ten years from now?

Yusshin April 17th, 2010 6:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 5725064)
That's not the point of it. Its purpose is to draw attention to bullying and other things queer kids in school have to put up with.

I didn't participate because I forgot about it. At least I can vote.

Ah, all right. I'd support it for that xD Since I don't think any human should be bullied for any reason :<

Merzbau April 17th, 2010 6:10 PM

Me and my homosexual life-partner hate homosexuals and all activities thereof.

...or something like that.

Paraphrasing Ted Haggard, or something like that.

Guess what, everybody!

Some people are gay - get used to it.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stairmaster (Post 5726789)
It just seems so silly to me though. It seems to further ostracize the participants from their peers.

To spread awareness, you need to stand out, not blend in. Before WWI, Women in America actually picketed the White House. They didn't say a word, but their signs did. They stood out, and they got arrested and were treated terribly in prison. They stood out. They ended most of the discrimination. They stood out, they didn't blend in. It's the same here(although in today's society, I'm glad we can't get arrested!).

Stairmaster April 17th, 2010 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726826)
Yes, but fundamentally it did not change. Also if morals change that is a scary thing, because then how do you know that you are morally right in the sight of people who look back ten years from now?

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Originally Posted by Team Rocket's Raichu (Post 5726805)


Well, the founding fathers knew that their document would have to change, because people's thoughts and morals change over time. That is why we have something called amendments. That is also why our document is the oldest still in use Constitution, or whatever another country calls their's.

What does the constitution have to do with a completely law-abiding, silent, peaceful protest?

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 6:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726826)
Yes, but fundamentally it did not change. Also if morals change that is a scary thing, because then how do you know that you are morally right in the sight of people who look back ten years from now?

Okay here is some examples of morals being changed.

1: African American Rights.
2: Women Rights.
3: No Children working.
4: Minimal Wage
5: Universal Health Care.

And how the hell did you drag politics into this.

Yusshin April 17th, 2010 6:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck
Also, will you try to prevent me from eating pork and shellfish?

Having been Christian for 15 years before converting, I can honestly say I never read nor was I told about not being permitted to eat pork or shellfish in that particular religion.

The "don't eat pork" is for Jewish and Muslim individuals, since pigs are extremely dirty and are high in cholesterol (at least, I believe that's the reasoning behind why Allah banned it).

As for shellfish, that's certainly not in Islam, and I never heard about it in Christianity. I eat fish all of the time - everyone in my family does, them being Christian and I being the sole Muslim.

Where does it say no shellfish / pork in the Bible? I would have assumed both the Baptist and Free Methodist church would've told me about this during my eight-year period of attending.

Mario The World Champion April 17th, 2010 6:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chadgraphix (Post 5726801)
Can't we all just get along? *awkward wink*

I think this thread should be closed due to high amounts of debate. We should have a debate forum, prolly.

Anytime religion and or politics are introduced into a discussion, it all goes downhill fast. Having a forum dedicated to that will only turn it into a flame war. I personally don't like talking about that stuff. So, you asking if we can't all get along can never be realized.

Merzbau April 17th, 2010 6:21 PM

To be a light in the darkness as I usually am, the shellfish and pork argument is a common rebuttal to the bringing up of Christians of Old Testament passages such as Leviticus 18:22 which calls homosexuality an abomination; laws in this book and this surrounding are sometimes funny or downright ludicrous, and no Christian follows them today. Calling homosexuality an abomination in that context is similar to calling shellfish an abomination.

Thread defeated.

Stairmaster April 17th, 2010 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mario The World Champion (Post 5726865)
Anytime religion and or politics are introduced into a discussion, it all goes downhill fast. Having a forum dedicated to that will only turn it into a flame war. I personally don't like talking about that stuff. So, you asking if we can't all get along can never be realized.

I think that's the problem though. This topic had nothing to do with politics or religion. Just someone's personal preference to participate in the event. I don't even know how the topic got on politics or religion, but I don't think it's against any laws or anyone's religion to protest against violence.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 6:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Merzbau (Post 5726877)
Thread defeated.

The point of the thread was to say whether you participated in the Day of Silence then someone brought up religion... "-__-

Merzbau April 17th, 2010 6:26 PM

It's all happening because people read their prejudice into books - especially ancient ones that are impressionable and easy to seduce, like the Bible.

Reading the Bible literally is like reading The Boy Who Cried Wolf and thinking that one should never say the word "wolf."

Anyway, to get back on topic - as I am an executive board member of my university's gay-straight alliance type group, I participated in the activities, t-shirt making, and stuff. We weren't silent, though - we were obnoxious. Silence works in high schools, not universities. I hope that was clear for everyone.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Merzbau (Post 5726894)
It's all happening because people read their prejudice into books - especially ancient ones that are impressionable and easy to seduce, like the Bible.

Reading the Bible literally is like reading The Boy Who Cried Wolf and thinking that one should never say the word "wolf."

Okay, that is probably one of the funniest things I have read all day.

SparklingMistral April 17th, 2010 6:32 PM

I forgot it was yesterday till I had gotten to school & saw my friend at her first block class doing her homework. She had duck tape over her mouth & that was when I remembered. I saw a bunch of the "table/tree kids" (which is a group of gothic/emo/scene/whatever kids at my school that stand by a tree outside in the morning & during 20 minute break when it's nice outside; I chill with them sometimes despite the fact that I'm not gothic/emo/scene/whatever) with black duck tape over their mouths too. Once I saw 'em, I remembered completely. I had already understood what was going on & so whenever I talked to one of them, they would write their response down on a piece of paper.

I believe most of the teachers at my school knew about it; I know my Theatre & English teachers knew about it, but I dunno if my Chemistry teacher knew. My friend had my History teacher from last year that day & I was chillin' in that class for a bit to talk to my friend; I would assume she knew. My friend also has my Spanish teacher from last year, but I never went to that class with her yesterday in between blocks, so I dunno if she knew. As for my ex-Foods teacher, she's too dumb, so I highly doubt she knew. There was one History teacher, whom I hate with a passion, who had no idea what it was about. I was with two of my friends at the time when she had come into the room looking for my ex-History teacher and she had asked us what it was for. None of us had bothered to answer her.

I didn't partake in it due to the fact that I had Theatre that day and we're basically required to talk in that class. I don't talk much anyways, so yeah. However, despite the fact that I didn't partake in it, I still support gays, lesbians, bisexuals, whatevers. Some of my closer friends are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or whatever & I really don't care if they are or not.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 6:35 PM

^ Ah, that's okay. I couldn't stay silent, but I still work the Day of Silence paper, and stood up for anyone participating.

Merzbau April 17th, 2010 6:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Felly (Post 5726913)
I forgot it was yesterday till I had gotten to school & saw my friend at her first block class doing her homework. She had duck tape over her mouth & that was when I remembered. I saw a bunch of the "table/tree kids" (which is a group of gothic/emo/scene/whatever kids at my school that stand by a tree outside in the morning & during 20 minute break when it's nice outside; I chill with them sometimes despite the fact that I'm not gothic/emo/scene/whatever) with black duck tape over their mouths too. Once I saw 'em, I remembered completely. I had already understood what was going on & so whenever I talked to one of them, they would write their response down on a piece of paper.

I believe most of the teachers at my school knew about it; I know my Theatre & English teachers knew about it, but I dunno if my Chemistry teacher knew. My friend had my History teacher from last year that day & I was chillin' in that class for a bit to talk to my friend; I would assume she knew. My friend also has my Spanish teacher from last year, but I never went to that class with her yesterday in between blocks, so I dunno if she knew. As for my ex-Foods teacher, she's too dumb, so I highly doubt she knew. There was one History teacher, whom I hate with a passion, who had no idea what it was about. I was with two of my friends at the time when she had come into the room looking for my ex-History teacher and she had asked us what it was for. None of us had bothered to answer her.

I didn't partake in it due to the fact that I had Theatre that day and we're basically required to talk in that class. I don't talk much anyways, so yeah. However, despite the fact that I didn't partake in it, I still support gays, lesbians, bisexuals, whatevers. Some of my closer friends are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or whatever & I really don't care if they are or not.

If you're still in school next year and wish to participate, talk to your teachers beforehand and ask them if they have a problem with it. If they give you any problems, then skip that teacher. Talking in class to a teacher, and answering teacher questions, at least in my experience, is not forbidden...after all, some teachers will get you in trouble for not answering them.

In my opinion, it's the voluntary conversing that should be silent. Speak in class if you have to, but don't otherwise.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Merzbau (Post 5726923)
If you're still in school next year and wish to participate, talk to your teachers beforehand and ask them if they have a problem with it. If they give you any problems, then skip that teacher. Talking in class to a teacher, and answering teacher questions, at least in my experience, is not forbidden...after all, some teachers will get you in trouble for not answering them.

In my opinion, it's the voluntary conversing that should be silent. Speak in class if you have to, but don't otherwise.

Yeah, I believe that the DoS site says that you can talk to teachers, but that is about it.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 6:40 PM

Lol, our school makes a bit deal out of it. We even made T-shirts and a lot of the Staff wore them if they wanted to show their support. I'm not part of the actual club that sets up the school stuff for this, but I definitely participate. I just don't go to the club because I don't want people thinking I'm gay or anything when I actually am straight and just support the cause itself because of my friend, and others.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726935)
Lol, our school makes a bit deal out of it. We even made T-shirts and a lot of the Staff wore them if they wanted to show their support. I'm not part of the actual club that sets up the school stuff for this, but I definitely participate. I just don't go to the club because I don't want people thinking I'm gay or anything when I actually am straight and just support the cause itself because of my friend, and others.

I think that next year, I am going to wear the T-Shirt instead of just the piece of paper.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Rocket's Raichu (Post 5726857)


Okay here is some examples of morals being changed.

1: African American Rights.
2: Women Rights.
3: No Children working.
4: Minimal Wage
5: Universal Health Care.

And how the hell did you drag politics into this.

1: African American Rights.- The bible said all men are created equal and so did the consitution, some people just chose to be not moral.
2: Women Rights. same as the first
3: No Children working. Why can't children work, I am working it is savory that is wrong, and god saved the jews out of Egyptian savory.
4: Minimal Wage- how dose this have to due with morals?!?
5: Universal Health Care.
many people believe this is un constitutional and not moral so it hasen't change it just means some people are acting un moral.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Rocket's Raichu (Post 5726939)


I think that next year, I am going to wear the T-Shirt instead of just the piece of paper.

Same. Sadly, I had to go without the shirt this year because by the time I was convinced to support it this year, the shirts were sold out. I had the paper though, that's something, and at least I attempted really hard to do the right thing. ^_^ I didn't use the tape either, simply because I can't breathe through my nose that well all the time.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 6:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726943)
1: African American Rights.- The bible said all men are created equal and so did the consitution, some people just chose to be not moral.
2: Women Rights. same as the first
3: No Children working. Why can't children work, I am working it is savory that is wrong, and god saved the jews out of Egyptian savory.
4: Minimal Wage- how dose this have to due with morals?!?
5: Universal Health Care.
many people believe this is un constitutional and not moral so it hasen't change it just means some people are acting un moral.

1) The makers of the Constitution didn't include Africans because a lot of them were slave owners, and didn't want to give them up.
2) Women according to the bible are "servants to men" if I remember correctly from my Christian days.
3) Children use to work in the coal mines and other dangerous jobs. Then America made that illegal.
4) People use to think that the government shouldn't interfere with business, but then that changed.
5) The sad thing is that a lot of people in other countries celebrated this passage. They were celebrating, because we finally caught up with the rest of the civilized world. They already had it.


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