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PokemonLeagueChamp April 17th, 2010 4:21 AM

All right, time for my rant(not intended to cause ragewars).

Point 1: This may not be the case for anyone else, but despite living in a relatively conservative area, the school I go to is rather liberal. This means that our GLASS(Gay Lesbian And Straight Society)Club is very prominent. Hell, last year they and their banner were at the front of our homecoming parade, and THAT was the picture that made it into the yearbook. But that's not my main point here. A while back I called my friend "gay"(because TBH he was indeed acting a bit gay)and then I had somebody off GLASS say, "I'm offended by that." Now, for starters, that shows they at least are definitely NOT silent to bullying, even when it was just joking to my friend and not even remotely having to do with them. The other thing is, who was expected to be silent there? The glares I got from the members sitting at their table tells me that they at least think I shouldn't say stuff like that, even though I have Freedom of Speech(which is unfortunately be destroyed by a number of factors)and I wasn't bullying them, or talking to them, or even LOOKING at them in any way intending on getting them riled up. At any rate, why should that happen because I was talking to my friend? If this is where all this gay-rights stuff combined with that God-awful political correctness is going, life's gonna suck for me and others who, again, make such jokes like that with their friends.

Point 2: I am more than willing to admit that I have not, did not, and probably will not participate in the Day of Silence. My reasons are few but likely controversial, so I will keep them brief. I am no supportor of gay marriage and the like. While I support the natural-born rights of everyone(although in this day and age, "everyone" means only minorities, thanks political correctness), I don't exactly consider marriage to be a right, certainly not a right everyone has. The whole "tolerance" idea, while I'm not a big fan of the whole homosexual thing(concerning yourself with my reason is unwise at this or pretty much any other time), is something I'm fine with. Just don't come up surrounding me with all your groups and your banners up in my face and try to make it like I have some kind of problem because I'll have nothing to do with your protests and meetings.

Point 3: Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, ever got better treatment by just being silent. Just look at the United States. If we hadn't opened up our mouths and told the British exactly what we wanted and how far we would go to get it, the USA may full well never have existed. If you expect anyone to listen to you, or what you believe in, you cannot be silent. No one will hear you, even if they want to.

Well, that'll be enough outta me. Again, this is not intended to offend, or cause rage wars.

Yusshin April 17th, 2010 5:46 AM

I never knew about this. Then again, I wouldn't participate, since I don't believe homosexuals should be "married" - moreso joined in a different type of contract that grants the same rights, but doesn't extend to a holy ritual.

Code April 17th, 2010 5:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5724033)
All right, time for my rant(not intended to cause ragewars).

Point 1: This may not be the case for anyone else, but despite living in a relatively conservative area, the school I go to is rather liberal. This means that our GLASS(Gay Lesbian And Straight Society)Club is very prominent. Hell, last year they and their banner were at the front of our homecoming parade, and THAT was the picture that made it into the yearbook. But that's not my main point here. A while back I called my friend "gay"(because TBH he was indeed acting a bit gay)and then I had somebody off GLASS say, "I'm offended by that." Now, for starters, that shows they at least are definitely NOT silent to bullying, even when it was just joking to my friend and not even remotely having to do with them. The other thing is, who was expected to be silent there? The glares I got from the members sitting at their table tells me that they at least think I shouldn't say stuff like that, even though I have Freedom of Speech(which is unfortunately be destroyed by a number of factors)and I wasn't bullying them, or talking to them, or even LOOKING at them in any way intending on getting them riled up. At any rate, why should that happen because I was talking to my friend? If this is where all this gay-rights stuff combined with that God-awful political correctness is going, life's gonna suck for me and others who, again, make such jokes like that with their friends.

Point 2: I am more than willing to admit that I have not, did not, and probably will not participate in the Day of Silence. My reasons are few but likely controversial, so I will keep them brief. I am no supportor of gay marriage and the like. While I support the natural-born rights of everyone(although in this day and age, "everyone" means only minorities, thanks political correctness), I don't exactly consider marriage to be a right, certainly not a right everyone has. The whole "tolerance" idea, while I'm not a big fan of the whole homosexual thing(concerning yourself with my reason is unwise at this or pretty much any other time), is something I'm fine with. Just don't come up surrounding me with all your groups and your banners up in my face and try to make it like I have some kind of problem because I'll have nothing to do with your protests and meetings.

Point 3: Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, ever got better treatment by just being silent. Just look at the United States. If we hadn't opened up our mouths and told the British exactly what we wanted and how far we would go to get it, the USA may full well never have existed. If you expect anyone to listen to you, or what you believe in, you cannot be silent. No one will hear you, even if they want to.

Well, that'll be enough outta me. Again, this is not intended to offend, or cause rage wars.

Point 1.
I agree with the people who were offended by your comment on this one. The way you used the word "Gay" as an insult, or as a description of a way to behave was wrong. The stereotypical gay person is happy and very feminine, but you don't need to be gay to act like any of these two things.
And all gays aren't just happy and feminine, so there is really no reason to say: "You look really gay right now" as a description of how someone looks.
I don't know if I summarized my point correctly, but please don't misunderstand me.

Point 2.
Here I respect your views. I do not agree with them, but they are your views, and it is your right to have them. At least they aren't offensive. And nobody can complain about this one. Me, myself? I am for Gay marriage, but that doesn't mean you have to be.

Point 3.
Here I agree with you completely. I think that people should rather speak up for the gays instead of staying silent for them. Who the heck does this help anyway?
=)

Esper April 17th, 2010 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5724249)
I never knew about this. Then again, I wouldn't participate, since I don't believe homosexuals should be "married" - moreso joined in a different type of contract that grants the same rights, but doesn't extend to a holy ritual.

That's not the point of it. Its purpose is to draw attention to bullying and other things queer kids in school have to put up with.

I didn't participate because I forgot about it. At least I can vote.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 9:45 AM

Everyone is saying that staying silent defeats the purpose... which everyone themselves contradict themselves with, because obviously it spread awareness. Nobody was talking. People are expected to talk. When people don't respond to you, you gotta wonder why, and then they take a look at your shirt or card, and boom, they know about the Day of Silence. It's the fact that it is silent that it is effective with so many people.

professor plum April 17th, 2010 9:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5724033)
All right, time for my rant(not intended to cause ragewars).

Point 1: This may not be the case for anyone else, but despite living in a relatively conservative area, the school I go to is rather liberal. This means that our GLASS(Gay Lesbian And Straight Society)Club is very prominent. Hell, last year they and their banner were at the front of our homecoming parade, and THAT was the picture that made it into the yearbook. But that's not my main point here. A while back I called my friend "gay"(because TBH he was indeed acting a bit gay)and then I had somebody off GLASS say, "I'm offended by that." Now, for starters, that shows they at least are definitely NOT silent to bullying, even when it was just joking to my friend and not even remotely having to do with them. The other thing is, who was expected to be silent there? The glares I got from the members sitting at their table tells me that they at least think I shouldn't say stuff like that, even though I have Freedom of Speech(which is unfortunately be destroyed by a number of factors)and I wasn't bullying them, or talking to them, or even LOOKING at them in any way intending on getting them riled up. At any rate, why should that happen because I was talking to my friend? If this is where all this gay-rights stuff combined with that God-awful political correctness is going, life's gonna suck for me and others who, again, make such jokes like that with their friends.

Well, then perhaps you need a new vocabulary. To be gay is not something derogatory. /PSA
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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5724033)
Point 2: I am more than willing to admit that I have not, did not, and probably will not participate in the Day of Silence. My reasons are few but likely controversial, so I will keep them brief. I am no supportor of gay marriage and the like. While I support the natural-born rights of everyone(although in this day and age, "everyone" means only minorities, thanks political correctness), I don't exactly consider marriage to be a right, certainly not a right everyone has. The whole "tolerance" idea, while I'm not a big fan of the whole homosexual thing(concerning yourself with my reason is unwise at this or pretty much any other time), is something I'm fine with. Just don't come up surrounding me with all your groups and your banners up in my face and try to make it like I have some kind of problem because I'll have nothing to do with your protests and meetings.

Everyone means everyone. And . . well, what you get is probably the overdramatics of teenagers who are trying to be ~so serious~ about this and wind up making themselves look bad. Don't let some bad apples ruin your perspective of everyone ^^

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5724033)
Point 3: Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, ever got better treatment by just being silent. Just look at the United States. If we hadn't opened up our mouths and told the British exactly what we wanted and how far we would go to get it, the USA may full well never have existed. If you expect anyone to listen to you, or what you believe in, you cannot be silent. No one will hear you, even if they want to.

Well, that'll be enough outta me. Again, this is not intended to offend, or cause rage wars.

..you've missed the point. It's not saying protesting/marches don't work, it's just a form of . . contrast. Think of it like this: instead of being loud and open about it, or just normally talkative or whatever, instead they're showing their true support for a cause they think just. It doesn't have to be the gay day of silence either, I'm referring to Days of Silence in general :B

FreakyLocz14 April 17th, 2010 9:59 AM

I'm not gonna get scolded in school over something silly like LGBT wanting special priveleges.
I'm not opposed to them getting them but I'm not gonna risk academic discipline over it.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 10:05 AM

Nice to see this turning into a debate thread instead of the purpose. Do you support the DoS, and did you participate.

{NM}Redwolf April 17th, 2010 10:06 AM

I hate to break everyones wishes and all but a world with out a certain group being bullied will never happen. Its like world peace. It will never happen because people can't ever agree all on the same thing. As long as there are gays there will be people making fun of them. Its like Hitlers effect on the jews. There are still Neo Nazis that follow him today. I'm glad i don't have any gays at my school because i would probably get in a fight with one because i am against gay rights. Sorry but i'm a catholic and i see it as a sin.

Honest April 17th, 2010 11:30 AM

My school was crazy about this day, and took it very seriously. I did participate, and though I really didn't do anything to stop the quarrels of gay, lesbian, bisexual people, etc, I did manage to stop saying insulting stuff that would hurt there feelings (ex: That's so gay, etc)

Yamikarasu April 17th, 2010 12:48 PM

I knew it was coming up, but I forgot about it. Oh well, I wasn't going to participate anyway, since I don't have that kind of discipline to stay silent the entire day. :/

I'll support gay rights in other ways, like voting to end discrimination as soon as I can.

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Originally Posted by {NM}Redwolf (Post 5725201)
I hate to break everyones wishes and all but a world with out a certain group being bullied will never happen. Its like world peace. It will never happen because people can't ever agree all on the same thing. As long as there are gays there will be people making fun of them. Its like Hitlers effect on the jews. There are still Neo Nazis that follow him today. I'm glad i don't have any gays at my school because i would probably get in a fight with one because i am against gay rights. Sorry but i'm a catholic and i see it as a sin.

Ha. Wow. Twisted logic is twisted.

{NM}Redwolf April 17th, 2010 12:53 PM

I'm just being honest. You can hope and dream all you want but some things will never happen. This is just one of them. People aren't meant to get along with everyone. Something a lot of people don't understand. They waste their lives trying to make everyone like them and it never works. As long as there are people there will be wars. I believe Albert Einstein said this or someone famous...i forget who. Whether it be actual wars or just arguements, they will always happen and will never go away.

Yamikarasu April 17th, 2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by {NM}Redwolf (Post 5725785)
I'm just being honest. You can hope and dream all you want but some things will never happen. This is just one of them. People aren't meant to get along with everyone. Something a lot of people don't understand. They waste their lives trying to make everyone like them and it never works. As long as there are people there will be wars. I believe Albert Einstein said this or someone famous...i forget who. Whether it be actual wars or just arguements, they will always happen and will never go away.

You should have told that to Martin Luther King. Yeah, there are still racists, but you simply cannot argue that black people are not treated better than they were 50 years ago. The same can be said for women, thanks to feminist movements they are treated better, yet there are still sexists. That's why we have civil rights movements, like the fight for gay rights now. Wow.

Silver April 17th, 2010 1:04 PM

My highschool does it at a later date because we're always on Spring Break during the actual one. And though I do support LGBT rights, I probably won't be partaking in our day of silence this year. Because it does seem counter productive. =/

{NM}Redwolf April 17th, 2010 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamikarasu (Post 5725795)
You should have told that to Martin Luther King. Yeah, there are still racists, but you simply cannot argue that black people are not treated better than they were 50 years ago. The same can be said for women, thanks to feminist movements they are treated better, yet there are still sexists. That's why we have civil rights movements, like the fight for gay rights now. Wow.

Things improved but the "war" is still there. It never was "won" or ended. It still goes on today and just cause thing are great here doesn't mean they are world wide. Hint, look at the women's rights in Iran or whats happening to gay people down in the African country(don't recall name).

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 1:18 PM

This is about the Day of Silence, and if you participated. Why are all threads like this turned into a debate thread. :(

Throat April 17th, 2010 1:34 PM

So you do something to defy this same thing?

shookie April 17th, 2010 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Rocket's Raichu (Post 5725884)
This is about the Day of Silence, and if you participated. Why are all threads like this turned into a debate thread. :(

Differences of opinion, and people are headstrong with what they they think is wrong or right.

I don't care if you think homosexuality is a sin or you don't think they should get married or anything. My dad told me he would rather ship me out to Iraq than have me become a chain-smoking lesbian. My mom grew up in a strictly Catholic household. If I was gay and was abused for it by my peers, they wouldn't have stood by going "Well that's what you get for liking women." Bullying, discrimination and physical/verbal abuse is still wrong even if they didn't agree with my lifestyle.

I mostly support the Day of Silence because one of my best friends was gay, and because some people didn't like that, she never got to go through high school or college. I was also bullied to the point where I wasn't allowed on my own bus ride home, all because a group of kids decided they didn't like me based on how I looked and dressed. It's a very sore subject for me, which is why I support *any* day or event that brings awareness to things like this.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamikarasu (Post 5725795)
You should have told that to Martin Luther King. Yeah, there are still racists, but you simply cannot argue that black people are not treated better than they were 50 years ago. The same can be said for women, thanks to feminist movements they are treated better, yet there are still sexists. That's why we have civil rights movements, like the fight for gay rights now. Wow.

No I hate it when people try to compare civil rights movement to homosexuality. Being black isn't a sin. You are born black, you aren't born gay(weather you don't want to believe that with your twisted logic ,or not; you are not born gay)

Blacks where being oppressed and, not allowed in cretin schools. If your gay, you can still go to a straight school. No madder how much bullying you got for being gay, it was a 1000 times worse for blacks; so saying that it was the same thing is mest up to all the African Americans who fought for equality.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726055)
No I hate it when people try to compare civil rights movement to homosexuality. Being black isn't a sin. You are born black, you aren't born gay(weather you don't want to believe that with your twisted logic ,or not; you are not born gay)

Blacks where being oppressed and, not allowed in cretin schools. If your gay, you can still go to a straight school. No madder how much bullying you got for being gay, it was a 1000 times worse for blacks; so saying that it was the same thing is mest up to all the African Americans who fought for equality.

Talk about twisted logic... You say homosexuality is a sin and an abomination, yet you do nothing to stop them "sinning". I believe you're supposed to, based on the Catholic religion? It seems to me that you're more just afraid and homophobic than anything. Some people are gay. Deal with it. But when you make a post like this...

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5722953)
Ew, they had this at my school. I was like ohh your being silent eh? Well this will be a great time to inform you that homosexuality is an abomination :3 haha they where getting so mad. I tried to see how many people I can make talk. I was getting quite good at it, I knew exactly what buttons to press. In totally I made 11 people break there row, shows how serious they where about that. :)

...wow... As Sydian said, that post makes me feel embarrassed to even have a religion. Bullying people is wrong, "breaking people" because you think it's fun is wrong, and you feeling no conscious whatsoever for that just sickens me to my stomach. Staying silent and defiant of rights that every person, homosexual, bisexual, straight, or whatever, deserves? That's right. But bullying people like you did is the real sin, the real abomination.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:15 PM

I am not bulling anyone, like you said I should do something to try to stop those sinners from sinning.

I am not scared of any gay, I don't get nervous when I am around them, I tell them what they are doing is wrong. How is that being scared of them?

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726262)
I am not bulling anyone, like you said I should do something to try to stop those sinners from sinning.

I am not scared of any gay, I don't get nervous when I am around them, I tell them what they are doing is wrong. How is that being scared of them?

Homophobia can also refer to not liking them, which is what you're doing.

Also, will you try to prevent me from eating pork and shellfish?

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:26 PM

Why would I prevent you from eating?! I am not catholic xD I eat Shel fish all the time. Also I don't dislike gays, I just believe what they are doing is wrong. It's like if you have a drug addicted friend.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726262)
I am not bulling anyone, like you said I should do something to try to stop those sinners from sinning.

I am not scared of any gay, I don't get nervous when I am around them, I tell them what they are doing is wrong. How is that being scared of them?

Because you just missed the entire point. It's not wrong, what you're saying to them is. My best friend is bisexual, and he's told me before he'd do anything to become straight. That really tore me up, because he hasn't completely accepted it yet, and yet you think people go gay just because they feel like it. It's how you're saying such crude things to people with no care about the other's feelings that makes what you said disgust me.

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726281)
Why would I prevent you from eating?! I am not catholic xD I eat Shel fish all the time. Also I don't dislike gays, I just believe what they are doing is wrong. It's like if you have a drug addicted friend.

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Ew, they had this at my school. I was like ohh your being silent eh? Well this will be a great time to inform you that homosexuality is an abomination :3 haha they where getting so mad. I tried to see how many people I can make talk. I was getting quite good at it, I knew exactly what buttons to press.
So if you don't dislike them, is that how you treat everybody?

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726281)
Why would I prevent you from eating?! I am not catholic xD I eat Shel fish all the time. Also I don't dislike gays, I just believe what they are doing is wrong. It's like if you have a drug addicted friend.

So you admitted to accepting only parts of the bible. Stop that. No one likes a cherry picker.
Whatever happened to the golden rule?


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