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wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5726294)
So you admitted to accepting only parts of the bible. Stop that. No one likes a cherry picker.
Whatever happened to the golden rule?

Well personally I think people have the right to interpret any religious document with their own opinion, and "cherry picking" may not be always wrong because the bible has changed so sporadically since Jesus actually delivered it. If people cherry pick the bible itself when they rewrite it, then I can't blame people for doing them same when they read it. But that's really besides the point, it doesn't have much to do with the DoS...

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726303)
Well personally I think people have the right to interpret any religious document with their own opinion, and "cherry picking" may not be always wrong because the bible has changed so sporadically since Jesus actually delivered it. If people cherry pick the bible itself when they rewrite it, then I can't blame people for doing them same when they read it. But that's really besides the point, it doesn't have much to do with the DoS...

Choosing what group you want to hate and using a religion as an excuse is horrid. I don't see how anyone can do that.
I'm getting offtopic, but whatevs.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5726308)
Choosing what group you want to hate and using a religion as an excuse is horrid. I don't see how anyone can do that.
I'm getting offtopic, but whatevs.

Well, yeah, I 100% agree with you there, but I'm just saying in general. xD Though I'm not an expert, I'm not Catholic or any form of Christian at all, so I dunno. Maybe I just misinterpreted what you said.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5726294)
So you admitted to accepting only parts of the bible. Stop that. No one likes a cherry picker.
Whatever happened to the golden rule?

Jesus revoked those rules in the new testament. So you should try reading the bible before quoting it, eh?

@that other guy wee or somethin'

I treat everyone will kindness and respect, but I will not turn a blind eye to someone sinning right in front of me. How do you treat... lets say a prostitute?

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726359)
Jesus revoked those rules in the new testament. So you should try reading the bible before quoting it, eh?

He came to enforce the rules, not to abolish it.
Don't think you can get away with that dishonesty.

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I treat everyone will kindness and respect, but I will not turn a blind eye to someone sinning right in front of me. How do you treat... lets say a prostitute?
So you insult them like a child instead of trying to show them the supposed light.
I'm getting the feeling that you are closeted That's some pretty kinky stuff :3

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5726373)
He came to enforce the rules, not to abolish it.
Don't think you can get away with that dishonesty.



So you insult them like a child instead of trying to show them the supposed light.
I'm getting the feeling that you are closeted That's some pretty kinky stuff :3

ew no man that's just gross.

I don't insult them I inform them what they are doing is wrong and I would like to invite you to church, because Jesus loves you.

How can you say you know more about the bible then me, when I have read the whole bible, and your not even a christian. You just hear something that you think is logical/witty and you copy it for your own arguments :D

Luck April 17th, 2010 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726382)
ew no man that's just gross.

I don't insult them I inform them what they are doing is wrong and I would like to invite you to church, because Jesus loves you.

How can you say you know more about the bible then me, when I have read the whole bible, and your not even a christian. You just hear something that you think is logical/witty and you copy it for your own arguments :D

Ladies and gentleman, exhibit A.
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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5722953)
Ew, they had this at my school. I was like ohh your being silent eh? Well this will be a great time to inform you that homosexuality is an abomination :3 haha they where getting so mad. I tried to see how many people I can make talk. I was getting quite good at it, I knew exactly what buttons to press. In totally I made 11 people break there row, shows how serious they where about that. :)


*applause*

Whatever, it's not like there is any point in talking to you about this. You clearly aren't going to change your thoughts when the only reason you have to hate is "my religion doesn't like it."

wee187 April 17th, 2010 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726359)
Jesus revoked those rules in the new testament. So you should try reading the bible before quoting it, eh?

@that other guy wee or somethin'

I treat everyone will kindness and respect, but I will not turn a blind eye to someone sinning right in front of me. How do you treat... lets say a prostitute?

It's wee187.

One, that's not respect, or kindness. Two, being gay and being a prostitute are completely different things. Like I said, you don't just choose to be gay. My guess, based off how my friend realized he was bisexual, is that you just start feeling it and you can't change it. And it's not a sin if you can't help it. Comparing a prostitute and a gay person is completely irrelevant because most gay people don't go out and have sex with random guys.

To answer your question though, so you don't say "you didn't answer the question"... I'd treat a prostitute with pity and suspicion but I certainly wouldn't treat him/her like you treated people on the Day of Silence.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726392)
It's wee187.

One, that's not respect, or kindness. Two, being gay and being a prostitute are completely different things. Like I said, you don't just choose to be gay. My guess, based off how my friend realized he was bisexual, is that you just start feeling it and you can't change it. And it's not a sin if you can't help it. Comparing a prostitute and a gay person is completely irrelevant because most gay people don't go out and have sex with random guys.

To answer your question though, so you don't say "you didn't answer the question"... I'd treat a prostitute with pity and suspicion but I certainly wouldn't treat him/her like you treated people on the Day of Silence.

What if the prostitute sais she can't help it, she keeps on getting these urges. She sais she was born this way, but she wants to have a normal relationship.

You chose to be gay if you can't over come your sinful urges that's your problem, and you should go ask God for forgiveness.

@luck
I don't hate them xD I don't go around beating them up.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726404)
What if the prostitute sais she can't help it, she keeps on getting these urges. She sais she was born this way, but she wants to have a normal relationship.

You chose to be gay if you can't over come your sinful urges that's your problem, and you should go ask God for forgiveness.

@luck
I don't hate them xD I don't go around beating them up.

One, urges aren't sins if you don't choose for them to come to you. Let's take this into perspective. You and me, let's chat right here. Say we lived in a world of opposites where straight relationships were outlawed and everybody was gay. Don't question it, just know that in this made-up world, being straight is a sin because their(let me make up a book) because their holy book known as the Forumpost says all straight relations are "abominations". Now, let's say you live in that world. Don't say, "oh but I don't, so it doesn't matter~" or anything to get off the point, just answer the question. Let's say you live in that world, and you're straight as a pin. When you turn 13 you get these funny feelings around girls and you're scared you'll get harassed by people when they find out you're straight. The Forumpost says it's a sin if "you can't resist the urges and be like everybody else". But you can't, you just don't feel the same when with a guy, you're only falling in love with women. Let's say there's many others like you now, who have set this think up called the Day of Silence to end the discrimination against straight people. You participate, but this guy known as ActorNaruto (yeah, I switched it, that's not you) goes around making fun at these protesters by making them talk and pressing "the right buttons".

You're straight, but now you're an utter sinner because you just can't like guys, no matter how hard you try, and now the Forumpost says you're gonna go to hell because of it.
----

Take that into perspective, NarutoActor. In a reversed, reversed world(our real world), that's how every gay person feels. They can't help it. You can't help being straight. They can't help being gay or bisexual or whatever.

Oh, but
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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726404)
that's your problem

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Sad. If religion teaches people not to question things and not to actually think... then to hell with it.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726438)
One, urges aren't sins if you don't choose for them to come to you. Let's take this into perspective. You and me, let's chat right here. Say we lived in a world of opposites where straight relationships were outlawed and everybody was gay. Don't question it, just know that in this made-up world, being straight is a sin because their(let me make up a book) because their holy book known as the Forumpost says all straight relations are "abominations". Now, let's say you live in that world. Don't say, "oh but I don't, so it doesn't matter~" or anything to get off the point, just answer the question. Let's say you live in that world, and you're straight as a pin. When you turn 13 you get these funny feelings around girls and you're scared you'll get harassed by people when they find out you're straight. The Forumpost says it's a sin if "you can't resist the urges and be like everybody else". But you can't, you just don't feel the same when with a guy, you're only falling in love with women. Let's say there's many others like you now, who have set this think up called the Day of Silence to end the discrimination against straight people. You participate, but this guy known as ActorNaruto (yeah, I switched it, that's not you) goes around making fun at these protesters by making them talk and pressing "the right buttons".

You're straight, but now you're an utter sinner because you just can't like guys, no matter how hard you try, and now the Forumpost says you're gonna go to hell because of it.
----

Take that into perspective, NarutoActor. In a reversed, reversed world(our real world), that's how every gay person feels. They can't help it. You can't help being straight. They can't help being gay or bisexual or whatever.

Oh, but .

Sad. If religion teaches people not to question things and not to actually think... then to hell with it.

Sure, I will live in your twisted world for one day. If this was the case I would be praying to FORMO the form springs god. Asking him for help and guidance with my strange urges. (even tho the pluming works for straights and not gays, so the human race was designed to be straight)

Also In that world I would try to please my God, and find favor in him. Even if that means putting things aside that I like. or love. That my friend is true Christainity. ( but I am not sure if you see me as your friend. haha oh well, lets me friends <3 :D)

wee187 April 17th, 2010 4:48 PM

I'll be your friend, sure, as long as you don't go out hurting homosexual people's feelings anymore, which, deny or not, you do. I don't see you stopping either, but I don't know.

If you don't have a problem with me being a Muslim(but you do too...) then I won't mind being your friend. But don't expect me to fall for any propaganda to turn me from my ways of "darkness" as you obviously see it.

Now, to talk about your reply, I have some statements to make. No matter what God says, people are entitled to choose their own way of life. As long as people still pledge themselves to whatever religion they lead, and they lead a good life, trying to do some good in the world, there's no gay or straight reason that they should be punished or sin-filled. There just isn't. It's this line you have to make between yourself and God. You either go all the way or not at all, but most people can usually find the middle ground between freedom and religion. To pledge faith to God isn't to live a life of solitude, closeted feelings, and secrecy. To pledge faith to God is to live your life and prove to God that you can honestly say you led a great life and tried to do something good. Whether the person you're in love with has a dick or not doesn't doesn't matter. Being gay isn't the sin. Living for God and not yourself is. Sure, if you have a religion, then you must love whatever entity that guides you, in this case, God. You definitely should live for God. But God does not say it a sin if you can't change who you are. It's how you live your life in actions. Do you bully and mock a person(example, your original post on this thread about the DoS), or do you accept and respect him/her? I don't think I need to say which way God wants you to live your life. But I will anyway because I don't know if you can pick the right answer. It's freedom and respect.

chadgraphix April 17th, 2010 4:48 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy

Let's end it.

Some people are gay, straight, or even bi (like me). Why don't you send me a hate message telling me how I'm "sinning," even if I haven't even had sex yet. :)

I think this should just be about whether or not you participated in it, and not some long, complicated argument.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726438)
One, urges aren't sins if you don't choose for them to come to you. Let's take this into perspective. You and me, let's chat right here. Say we lived in a world of opposites where straight relationships were outlawed and everybody was gay. Don't question it, just know that in this made-up world, being straight is a sin because their(let me make up a book) because their holy book known as the Forumpost says all straight relations are "abominations". Now, let's say you live in that world. Don't say, "oh but I don't, so it doesn't matter~" or anything to get off the point, just answer the question. Let's say you live in that world, and you're straight as a pin. When you turn 13 you get these funny feelings around girls and you're scared you'll get harassed by people when they find out you're straight. The Forumpost says it's a sin if "you can't resist the urges and be like everybody else". But you can't, you just don't feel the same when with a guy, you're only falling in love with women. Let's say there's many others like you now, who have set this think up called the Day of Silence to end the discrimination against straight people. You participate, but this guy known as ActorNaruto (yeah, I switched it, that's not you) goes around making fun at these protesters by making them talk and pressing "the right buttons".

You're straight, but now you're an utter sinner because you just can't like guys, no matter how hard you try, and now the Forumpost says you're gonna go to hell because of it.
----

Take that into perspective, NarutoActor. In a reversed, reversed world(our real world), that's how every gay person feels. They can't help it. You can't help being straight. They can't help being gay or bisexual or whatever.

Oh, but .

Sad. If religion teaches people not to question things and not to actually think... then to hell with it.

Okay, just because of this well put together and constructive post. I am sending you a friend request.

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726485)
Sure, I will live in your twisted world for one day. If this was the case I would be praying to FORMO the form springs god. Asking him for help and guidance with my strange urges. (even tho the pluming works for straights and not gays, so the human race was designed to be straight)

Also In that world I would try to please my God, and find favor in him. Even if that means putting things aside that I like. or love. That my friend is true Christainity. ( but I am not sure if you see me as your friend. haha oh well, lets me friends <3 :D)

And that is the reason my family gave up on religion many years ago. Intolerance and discrimination to those who are different is a bad thing, and a lot of parts of any religion seems to be an excuse to hate those who are different.

And that part of we are suppose to be straight is a load of ********. Every animal species (yes, humans are animals) on the Planet Earth has some homosexuals in it from primates to gut worms.

Our closely related species is known as the bonobos. The bonobo species is completely bisexual. They use hetro/homosexual sex to dissolve conflict and make sure peace is remained. This is, what I call, a utopia, a society with no conflict and no discrimination. This is an ideal world.

NarutoActor, I don't hate you for not believing what I do. I gave up on stuff like that when I gave up religion. I actually hope we can be friends. I am merely stating my side of the argument, and I am hoping that you will take it in to consideration.

~Team Rocket's Raichu

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wee187 (Post 5726519)
I'll be your friend, sure, as long as you don't go out hurting homosexual people's feelings anymore, which, deny or not, you do. I don't see you stopping either, but I don't know.

If you don't have a problem with me being a Muslim(but you do too...) then I won't mind being your friend. But don't expect me to fall for any propaganda to turn me from my ways of "darkness" as you obviously see it.

Now, to talk about your reply, I have some statements to make. No matter what God says, people are entitled to choose their own way of life. As long as people still pledge themselves to whatever religion they lead, and they lead a good life, trying to do some good in the world, there's no gay or straight reason that they should be punished or sin-filled. There just isn't. It's this line you have to make between yourself and God. You either go all the way or not at all, but most people can usually find the middle ground between freedom and religion. To pledge faith to God isn't to live a life of solitude, closeted feelings, and secrecy. To pledge faith to God is to live your life and prove to God that you can honestly say you led a great life and tried to do something good. Whether the person you're in love with has a dick or not doesn't doesn't matter. Being gay isn't the sin. Living for God and not yourself is. Sure, if you have a religion, then you must love whatever entity that guides you, in this case, God. You definitely should live for God. But God does not say it a sin if you can't change who you are. It's how you live your life in actions. Do you bully and mock a person(example, your original post on this thread about the DoS), or do you accept and respect him/her? I don't think I need to say which way God wants you to live your life. But I will anyway because I don't know if you can pick the right answer. It's freedom and respect.

I love muslems, there so funny <3. The Evangelical goal is to make friends, grow close relationships with them ,and bring them to god. But you can chose to stay at the first step, but I might invite you to church, just don't get mad at me. :D

There is no middle grounds, there is light or darkness. You chose. You either follow God and his entirety or don't follow him at all. God gives you free will.

Back to your world, God wouldn't force me to be gay, he lets me chose. Okay but you say where born gay. So as long as I don't act on those gay feelings I am not sinning. You should ask god to change you because when you ask Jesus into your life your are reborned. ( so now your are born straight, make sense?)

Mario The World Champion April 17th, 2010 4:59 PM

Well, this discussion has gone downhill since someone decided to bring religion into it. It seems like religious people would rather live in their own perfect world then deal with an ever-changing world and condemn people for being gay.

Back to topic, I didn't realize this was going on. I remember some person on the news mentioning it, but I thought it was for support of women who suffered from domestic violence who were afraid to speak out.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 5:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726552)
I love muslems, there so funny <3. The Evangelical goal is to make friends, grow close relationships with them ,and bring them to god. But you can chose to stay at the first step, but I might invite you to church, just don't get mad at me. :D

There is no middle grounds, there is light or darkness. You chose. You either follow God and his entirety or don't follow him at all. God gives you free will.

Back to your world, God wouldn't force me to be gay, he lets me chose. Okay but you say where born gay. So as long as I don't act on those gay feelings I am not sinning. You should ask god to change you because when you ask Jesus into your life your are reborned. ( so now your are born straight, make sense?)


I don't need a Church. I have a Mosque, the "church" for my religion. :) And I believe there are middle grounds, otherwise my friend wouldn't be bisexual. It means he likes men and women.

And if following God means I can't be in the middle grounds, then I don't. But in my religion, we at least have that freedom, and we don't get labeled as sinners for feeling a bit different than everybody else. If anything is done with good intention, God sees it.

And Mario, sorry, yeah it really has spun into a controversial religious debate about homosexuality. I'm done with this thread now, and this argument. NarutoActor, send me a VM if you want to keep up this discussion. I think it's pointless though, since your opinion is basically to call people who can't control their feelings sinners.

But I just realized I never actually said I participated. I did participate in the Day of Silence, and I did my best to stay 100% silent to support my friend and all the people around the world who need to be heard, through the silence. Not speaking raises awareness when people ask why you're not talking. It's just as effective if not more than shouting it to the world.

lx_theo April 17th, 2010 5:25 PM

I support the effort in its entirety, no matter how naive it seems. Though I didn't partake in the effort myself.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 17th, 2010 5:26 PM

It seems like that PC is split on whether the Day of Silence is good or bad.

Mario The World Champion April 17th, 2010 5:35 PM

I look at it this way: You are who you are and if some people don't want to accept you, forget them. At least you're following your own path instead of following what it written in some book 2000 years ago and not being flexible about it.

NarutoActor April 17th, 2010 5:42 PM

The constitution is 200 years old. Should be scrap that? ever herd the saying "if it works, then why try changing it?"

Mario The World Champion April 17th, 2010 5:48 PM

Please don't bring politics into this.

Stairmaster April 17th, 2010 5:49 PM

It's a good cause, but a stupid method. A silent protest?

EDIT: And yeah, why are politics being dragged into this?

shookie April 17th, 2010 5:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5726404)
I don't hate them xD I don't go around beating them up.

Yeah, there really isn't enough facepalm in the world for this.

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It's a good cause, but a stupid method. A silent protest?
Not speaking exemplifies that those affected by bullying couldn't, or wouldn't, speak out about it at the risk of further abuse, or because anybody they told wouldn't take action. There's also the few cases of where people pass away as a result, making them unable to speak about their ordeal.
That's how I see it, at least.

wee187 April 17th, 2010 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stairmaster (Post 5726749)
It's a good cause, but a stupid method. A silent protest?

I respond with this: Not speaking raises awareness when people ask why you're not talking. It's just as effective if not more than shouting it to the world. If you go up to somebody and start talking to them, and they don't respond, you are definitely going to wonder why. It's a silent, peaceful, and very much working method.


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