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Guillermo April 18th, 2010 12:40 AM

I don't see how being silent for people who like the same gender as themselves proves or solves anything. If people want to be losers and pretend they know it all by making fun of gays, trans, lesbians, whatever, then that's their stupidity and one day that's going to come back and bite them in the ass. That's just that.

I love gay people, I really do. They're (most of the time) friendly and really get involved with stuff, and I support gay marriage. But I'm not going to be silent for them because to be honest it's a topic that needs people fighting for it, not being silent.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 18th, 2010 6:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chadgraphix (Post 5727069)
I would just like to point out that the "Yes" votes are outvoting the "No" votes.

Yeah, I noticed that. :D

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Originally Posted by Stairmaster (Post 5727183)
I think the reason why people argued against you (other than the fact that the point of posting something like what you posted is pretty much to start a debate) is that you had a very opinionated statement and you referred to the logic used to indicate that gay people are born gay as "sick" (despite the fact that it has been scientifically proven and that, even if homosexuality is something that occurs because of a series of events over one's childhood, it's not the person's own doing).

You also said that it was "1000 times worse for a black person" (that's the past, and doesn't really apply to this debate), stated that you intentionally disrupted the protest (I don't agree with the protest methods but you're basically saying that you don't care about the people who are the victims of these hate crimes), brought religion into the discussion ("Being black isn't a sin") when you neither explained what that had to do with the protest (Not all sins are illegal, this isn't Vatican City) or why it even mattered that it was a sin (though in my studies I have only gathered that homosexuality was a crime in ancient Christian settings, not a sin), and stated that you felt you need to tell gay people that "what they are doing is wrong" (when, frankly, they have probably heard enough of that in their lifetime and don't need to hear it from you).

So if you were still wondering why no one left it alone, that's why. However, relating back to the protest, you never really gave a legitimate reason for disrupting the silence.

Owned.

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Originally Posted by Guillermo (Post 5727863)
I don't see how being silent for people who like the same gender as themselves proves or solves anything. If people want to be losers and pretend they know it all by making fun of gays, trans, lesbians, whatever, then that's their stupidity and one day that's going to come back and bite them in the ass. That's just that.

I love gay people, I really do. They're (most of the time) friendly and really get involved with stuff, and I support gay marriage. But I'm not going to be silent for them because to be honest it's a topic that needs people fighting for it, not being silent.

Well being silent would make people ask why you are being silent. Then you show the piece of paper, and they read it. Sometimes being silent is just an effective if not more effective way than shouting through a megaphone.

FreakyLocz14 April 18th, 2010 9:15 AM

I don't think we're going to have one at my school this year but if we do I'll be silent outside of class but I would have to speak in class because most classes grade on participation, but I'd only speak during class discussion or when the teacher asks me a question.

I understand the concept. It's a non-violent protest. History has shown non-violent protests to be much more effective than violent ones.
Unfortunately, when the usual homophobes see pro-homo rallies and people protesting they just brush them off as "silly queers" or words to that effect.
If they see lots of people being silent for that same cause they may even see some people they care dearly for participating and they won't just write them off as "silly queers".

The Fame Monster April 18th, 2010 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5729020)
I don't think we're going to have one at my school this year but if we do I'll be silent outside of class but I would have to speak in class because most classes grade on participation, but I'd only speak during class discussion or when the teacher asks me a question.

I understand the concept. It's a non-violent protest. History has shown non-violent protests to be much more effective than violent ones.
Unfortunately, when the usual homophobes see pro-homo rallies and people protesting they just brush them off as "silly queers" or words to that effect.
If they see lots of people being silent for that same cause they may even see some people they care dearly for participating and they won't just write them off as "silly queers".

dont talk in the future tense. it was last friday.

i did it at my school. a lot of people did it at my school too!! i was happy.

i actually got my entire french class to do it so we didnt have to do oral excercises!! muahahahaha

Weatherman, Kiyoshi April 18th, 2010 11:06 AM

I took part in it, but on the 14th, not the 16th.
Sure, it seems silly and counter-productive, but it's really trying to make a point.

but a lot of people who bully and try to make you talk on that day are actually being extremely disrespectful to the point.
and deserve to be Gibbs-slapped. >:O

But anyway,
homophobes suck, go gay rights. Woo.

NarutoActor April 18th, 2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Stairmaster (Post 5727183)
I think the reason why people argued against you (other than the fact that the point of posting something like what you posted is pretty much to start a debate) is that you had a very opinionated statement and you referred to the logic used to indicate that gay people are born gay as "sick" (despite the fact that it has been scientifically proven and that, even if homosexuality is something that occurs because of a series of events over one's childhood, it's not the person's own doing).

You also said that it was "1000 times worse for a black person" (that's the past, and doesn't really apply to this debate), stated that you intentionally disrupted the protest (I don't agree with the protest methods but you're basically saying that you don't care about the people who are the victims of these hate crimes), brought religion into the discussion ("Being black isn't a sin") when you neither explained what that had to do with the protest (Not all sins are illegal, this isn't Vatican City) or why it even mattered that it was a sin (though in my studies I have only gathered that homosexuality was a crime in ancient Christian settings, not a sin), and stated that you felt you need to tell gay people that "what they are doing is wrong" (when, frankly, they have probably heard enough of that in their lifetime and don't need to hear it from you).

So if you were still wondering why no one left it alone, that's why. However, relating back to the protest, you never really gave a legitimate reason for disrupting the silence.

Testing how much they truly supported this vow. Also the African American thing was a reply of someone who said that gays are suffering the same way blacks did.

FreakyLocz14 April 18th, 2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Fame Monster (Post 5729210)
dont talk in the future tense. it was last friday.

i did it at my school. a lot of people did it at my school too!! i was happy.

i actually got my entire french class to do it so we didnt have to do oral excercises!! muahahahaha

It might have been last Friday where you live but here it's whenever the Student Body Council approves it to be. If we get clearance from the Student Gov't the teachers might have to respect it.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 18th, 2010 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5729020)
I understand the concept. It's a non-violent protest. History has shown non-violent protests to be much more effective than violent ones.

A lot of the more famous protests were non-violent. Remember the sit-down. A lot of African Americans sat down at restaurants, and wouldn't leave, and wouldn't buy anything until they let them come in and eat. :D

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Originally Posted by The Fame Monster (Post 5729210)
i actually got my entire french class to do it so we didnt have to do oral excercises!! muahahahaha

I wish more people in Oklahoma supported, so we wouldn't have to do those in my Spanish class.

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Originally Posted by Weatherman, Kiyoshi (Post 5729441)
homophobics suck, go gay rights. Woo.

I agree.

November Darling April 18th, 2010 5:30 PM

I did the Day of Silence the past couple of years at my high school, but this year I'm in college and my only Friday class was canceled. There really would have been no point in participating by myself at home. XD

I think it does raise awareness of the issues, though. At least it did at my already pretty gay-friendly school.

The Fame Monster April 18th, 2010 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5729589)
It might have been last Friday where you live but here it's whenever the Student Body Council approves it to be. If we get clearance from the Student Gov't the teachers might have to respect it.

it's an internationally set date.

the date does not vary.

Silver April 18th, 2010 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fame Monster (Post 5730781)
it's an internationally set date.

the date does not vary.

While it is an internationally set date, lots of high schools end up observing it at later dates, because of getting it approved by the school council etc. Because we're high schoolers and don't plan ahead. lol

FreakyLocz14 April 18th, 2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fame Monster (Post 5730781)
it's an internationally set date.

the date does not vary.

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Originally Posted by Silver (Post 5731117)
While it is an internationally set date, lots of high schools end up observing it at later dates, because of getting it approved by the school council etc. Because we're high schoolers and don't plan ahead. lol

Well I'm in college and most teachers grade on participation so having some sort of legitmacy behind your silence like Student Gov't approval or even better approval from the school administration is a must. This is neccessary so as not to risk scholastic penalty.

{NM}Redwolf April 19th, 2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Weatherman, Kiyoshi (Post 5729441)
But anyway,
homophobes suck, go gay rights. Woo.

REALLY? With an attitude like that why would you act so offended when someone calls you a ****** or queer? With an attitude like that you're just looking for a fight and i garentee you say that in public you'll have a hell storm on you in no time. Somethings deserve to be keep to yourself. Do the world a favor and know the limit of when to keep quiet.

Trope April 19th, 2010 2:19 PM

I think no one does it here in Belgium, since same sex marriage is legal here... We do the silent thing to remember drunk driving accidents tho.

Gotta love my country. <3 Sometimes.

Xairmo April 19th, 2010 3:03 PM

I support what the Day of Silence stands for and all, I just find it pointless to be silent. If anything it just makes all those homophobic, right-wing conservatives think "Thank God, the gays are finally shutting up for a day."

Rumi April 19th, 2010 3:36 PM

I wish I hadn't forgotten! Oh well, I didn't have school that day and I'm kind of a quiet person in general. I need to remind myself of it next year.

Team Rocket's Raichu April 19th, 2010 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trope (Post 5732978)
I think no one does it here in Belgium, since same sex marriage is legal here... We do the silent thing to remember drunk driving accidents tho.

Gotta love my country. <3 Sometimes.

Ah, I love your country now. :3

EmeraldSerenade April 19th, 2010 4:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyKnight (Post 5723291)
My school did it today, and people had to papers stuck on their shirts, backpacks, etc. I wanted to partake in it, but I didn't. Mainly because I don't think I could last the whole day without talking, and if I did (while doing it), I would feel really bad that I broke the silence.

Retrospect. My whole school didn't stay silent for the who day, but my friend Kari did.
I didn't participate in this though, and I felt a bit bad :/

NarutoActor April 19th, 2010 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by {NM}Redwolf (Post 5732626)
REALLY? With an attitude like that why would you act so offended when someone calls you a ****** or queer? With an attitude like that you're just looking for a fight and i garentee you say that in public you'll have a hell storm on you in no time. Somethings deserve to be keep to yourself. Do the world a favor and know the limit of when to keep quiet.

No, it's called freedom of speach anybody group should be able to speak there mind. If any body wants to fight them for that they are going against there right and is breaking the law. They have the right to speak, and the right to stay silent. They chose to stay silent that day.

Stairmaster April 19th, 2010 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5733647)
No, it's called freedom of speach anybody group should be able to speak there mind. If any body wants to fight them for that they are going against there right and is breaking the law. They have the right to speak, and the right to stay silent. They chose to stay silent that day.

It's ironic that you stated that they have the right to remain silent (I completely agree) but that you infringed upon that right in your aggressive attempt to get them to talk.

I've studied psychiatric behavior and sociology (etc) informally and obviously what you were doing was not "testing to see how devoted they were" but using an easy outlet to overpower someone verbally. Of course, they were sick of your harassment and responded, but not any less devoted to their cause.

FreakyLocz14 April 19th, 2010 7:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stairmaster (Post 5733677)
It's ironic that you stated that they have the right to remain silent (I completely agree) but that you infringed upon that right in your aggressive attempt to get them to talk.

I've studied psychiatric behavior and sociology (etc) informally and obviously what you were doing was not "testing to see how devoted they were" but using an easy outlet to overpower someone verbally. Of course, they were sick of your harassment and responded, but not any less devoted to their cause.

It would be hard to argue that someone other than a police officer or prosecutor in a criminal case violated someone's right to remain silent. The rights to remain silent is to shield people from the government, not other citizens.

The Fame Monster April 20th, 2010 2:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5733647)
No, it's called freedom of speach anybody group should be able to speak there mind. If any body wants to fight them for that they are going against there right and is breaking the law. They have the right to speak, and the right to stay silent. They chose to stay silent that day.

no its not.

your not very smart.

TRIFORCE89 April 20th, 2010 5:28 AM

I dislike all these sorts of events. They always give me a vibe of the focus should be on the people participating rather than the cause. Like walk-a-thons. Why must I walk? Can't I just donate money?

Like last week was pink day to show that people are bullied are something. That just seemed more like a goofy social event than anything else.

PokemonLeagueChamp April 20th, 2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by {NM}Redwolf (Post 5732626)
REALLY? With an attitude like that why would you act so offended when someone calls you a ****** or queer? With an attitude like that you're just looking for a fight and i garentee you say that in public you'll have a hell storm on you in no time. Somethings deserve to be keep to yourself. Do the world a favor and know the limit of when to keep quiet.

If anyone will have a hellstorm on them it will be you and me. If you are anti-gay, considered anti-gay, or look at somebody who's gay in a way that they get upset about, you will get decimated by the IRL b&hammer known as political correctness, which, these days can and will come from anywhere and anyone. This whole thing for "equality" is BS because of the minority rule. And besides, the only one looking for a fight is you. I am not going to hunt down and harass every gay person around, as long as they do not DEMAND everyone accept and agree with their beliefs, and seeing as I doubt anyone here intends to force their opinions on anyone(I don't, not that it would even work anyway), so we shouldn't have any problems here.

ILoveDragonite April 20th, 2010 11:29 AM

I didn't even know that WAS a day. But i support it because gay people are loud....so a day of stfu is nice

also i don't hate gays, i've just never met one that wasn't loud
cept one, she was pretty cool


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