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digi-kun April 17th, 2010 11:01 PM

Angel Beats!
 
Since there are other thread of the new season, why not throw this one in.

Angel Beats! is an anime written by Maeda Jun(Known for Key's Air and Clannad). The setting is an afterlife school, where (some) people go after they die in the living world. People in this world cannot die, but the pain that death causes still happens. In addition, people can be "erased" by the angel [named Tenshi for obvious reasons]. The series focuses around Otonashi, who has just awoken in this world with no memories of his living life. He is soon recruited into a group that actively opposes Tenshi and try to prevent themselves from being "erased."

Anywho discuss.

Also, TK is the best character ever

Arcanine April 17th, 2010 11:27 PM

3 eps are out and pretty much right off the bat it went to the top of my "I want the next ep!" list. And I'm currently watching 4 series that's airing right now (one of them being K-ON!! and I loved the first one).

AB is different, and funny, has some action, Yuri reminds me of Haruhi, and AB has some really good music to it.

And as for characters... I like T.K. and I also like Hinata (well, I think all of them are good, but ATM they're at the top of my list). We'll see how the series goes.

Wings Don't Cry April 18th, 2010 1:12 AM

I haven't seen it yet but the plot sounds really similar to TWEWY.

Jordan April 18th, 2010 6:56 AM

Will post my thoughts again for the +1.

I hope that the series will not continue to go with the "character of the week" model of storytelling that it seems to be using now. I can't get attached with characters in just a span of 10 minutes. Take Iwasawa: she was a character with plenty of potential, but she was wasted and went away in just a single episode. And the gory slapstick in the beginning of the show really turned me off.

Complaints aside, there are many aspects of Angel Beats! that please me. Most obviously is the music. The OST sounds neat, and both the OP and ED are both awesome (anyone else thinks that the ED animation would go really well with Baccano's ED music?). Hinata has some GAR potential and every line with T.K. is euphoric.

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Originally Posted by digi-kun (Post 5727693)
Also, TK is the best character ever

C'MON LET'S DANCE!

Cherrim April 18th, 2010 3:06 PM

I wasn't reeeeally a fan of it after the first episode, and the second episode was interesting but I was still on the fence. :> But I feel obliged to watch it for sure now that there's been death by Pi in it. Or close enough to it, anyway.

But I don't love it as much as I feel I should. Everyone I know who's watching it really, really likes it and for me, it's just sort of... another thing on my list to watch. I'll keep up with it this season, for sure, but it's not an anime I think about much longer after I see an episode. It's not high on the list but it is entertaining.

J April 24th, 2010 3:34 PM

So far the best things (imo) in this series are TK, the OP/ED, the TK, the insert songs, and Tenshi.
's far as I can tell, the main reason why it's getting so much hype is 'cause Maeda's writing the script for all the episodes.

Well, the comedy's really solid, the concept is kinda interesting, and there's TK. Sure wish they'd polish up the animation though.

(btw has anyone else noticed that yui looks an awful lot like yuri's sister in the ep02 flashback)

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5728548)
C'MON LET'S DANCE!

DON'T STOP DANCING

Eucliffe April 24th, 2010 4:01 PM

At first I wasn't interested in the series until it got its own thread, so that's when I decided to check it out.

So far, I'm loving the series <3 I also love some of the references put into it (like the Laputa/Howl's Moving Castle ones in episode 3), and the characters are a riot. Anyone who dislikes TK can go crawl into a hole and die. Anyone who dislikes Iwasawa, Hinata, and Yui can go blow their brains out.

The first episode, I have to admit, wasn't really too great, but after that it's a lot better. I feel sorry for the people who look at the first couple of minutes of the first episode (especially because you suddenly see Yuri with a gun and all) and say "Ew, this is lame. Not gonna continue watching this series."

The pasts of the characters are also really sad, Yuri's especially. And then the disappearance of Iwasawa... D:

/am I the only one who doesn't like Tenshi as much?

//that may change, who knows?

Jordan April 24th, 2010 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by J (Post 5747441)
DON'T STOP DANCING

HOME RUN, WOW!

For those who haven't seen it yet, here's a character popularity poll for Angel Beats! The only important numbers are Tenshi in orange and T.K. in purple. They take up...almost all of the votes. Crazy Baby.

Akito Wanijima April 24th, 2010 4:18 PM

It's been on my 'Plan to watch' list for a bit, but a few series' are ahead of it, so if I watch it, it won't be for a while D:

J April 24th, 2010 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5747577)
For those who haven't seen it yet, here's a character popularity poll for Angel Beats! The only important numbers are Tenshi in orange and T.K. in purple. They take up...almost all of the votes. Crazy Baby.

Just wild heaven.

wait, what? what other characters?

Eucliffe April 24th, 2010 5:39 PM

I feel sorry for all the other characters D:

Freakin' Crazy. /because I don't think they'd like me using the actual word

digi-kun April 24th, 2010 9:26 PM

Crow Song (along with Alchemy and My Song) are at #3 on the daily Oricon rankings right now, awesomeness right there

J April 30th, 2010 9:53 PM

Spoiler:
her name is
tachibana kanade.

in short,

TK.

T3h Kaiser May 1st, 2010 2:27 AM

I hate to seem like I'm trollin', but...

Angel Beats, honestly, is probably the most flagrant poster child of what is wrong with the anime industry right now. I really don't think they could be pandering anime fans anymore than they already are. School time fun, girl bands, knee socks, Haruhi-archtype, school clubs (named SSS, for God's sake! SOS, SSS?!), convoluted plot that amounts to nothing... it's shows like this that make the anime industry go in circles as it does. All Maeda Jun has done is made a Frankenstein plot piecemealing every anime stereotype and plot device of the last ten years and dressed it up with pretty art; add a breakout character like TK and you get an instant fanbase.

It does not deserve the support it receives. It is as derivative and shallow as they come.

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Originally Posted by Arcanine (Post 5727741)

AB is different, and funny, has some action, Yuri reminds me of Haruhi, and AB has some really good music to it.

>__________________>;;

RYOUKI May 1st, 2010 8:03 AM

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Originally Posted by digi-kun (Post 5748411)
Crow Song (along with Alchemy and My Song) are at #3 on the daily Oricon rankings right now, awesomeness right there

Eh? Frankly, I wasn't impressed by those two songs, the lyrics were like.. 'What?', I heard Maeda Jun wrote this, so yeah... He's no ryo.

For the latest episode:
RC said that Angel Beats will be dropping the emotional bomb at the end of the series, I kinda doubt it since the previous episodes was like, "What the hell?!" but now... ... Tenshi..

Jordan May 1st, 2010 8:18 AM

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Originally Posted by J (Post 5764647)
Spoiler:
her name is
tachibana kanade.

in short,

TK.

Mind thoroughly blown.
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Originally Posted by T3h Kaiser (Post 5764908)
Angel Beats, honestly, is probably the most flagrant poster child of what is wrong with the anime industry right now. I really don't think they could be pandering anime fans anymore than they already are. School time fun, girl bands, knee socks, Haruhi-archtype, school clubs (named SSS, for God's sake! SOS, SSS?!), convoluted plot that amounts to nothing... it's shows like this that make the anime industry go in circles as it does. All Maeda Jun has done is made a Frankenstein plot piecemealing every anime stereotype and plot device of the last ten years and dressed it up with pretty art; add a breakout character like TK and you get an instant fanbase.
It does not deserve the support it receives. It is as derivative and shallow as they come.

It might not be the most original thing on the market, but I think it's unfair to pin down Angel Beats! as being the most pandering show out there. The no-name ecchi harems that keeps pumping out from the market and boring shounen action shows are much, much more generic than Angel Beats! will ever be. At least it has some redeemable qualities like decent animation, a plot, and good BGM. But that's my opinion and your opinion is yours. I don't actually see a lot of fanboys running around saying it's the best thing in the world, actually. Most of the reactions I've seen so far composed of people saying things along the lines of "Maeda's old works are better."
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Originally Posted by RYOUKI (Post 5765423)
Eh? Frankly, I wasn't impressed by those two songs, the lyrics were like.. 'What?', I heard Maeda Jun wrote this, so yeah... He's no ryo.

For the latest episode:
RC said that Angel Beats will be dropping the emotional bomb at the end of the series, I kinda doubt it since the previous episodes was like, "What the hell?!" but now... ... Tenshi..

The fanartists work fast. Yuri, you big bully!

T3h Kaiser May 1st, 2010 8:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5765458)
It might not be the most original thing on the market, but I think it's unfair to pin down Angel Beats! as being the most pandering show out there.

You cannot tell me Angel Beats wasn't directly influenced by Haruhi. What is that, if not pandering?

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5765458)
The no-name ecchi harems that keeps pumping out from the market and boring shounen action shows are much, much more generic than Angel Beats! will ever be.

The problem with harem and shounen anime is that they aren't unique, yes? Explain to me how Angel Beats is unique.

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5765458)
At least it has some redeemable qualities like decent animation,

Why is "decent" acceptable? And is it really decent? The character designs are appealing, yes, but how much do you know about animation? Anime is very cheaply produced; frankly, there is a very large disconnect between shows like Angel Beats and FLCL in terms of quality... and yes, I'm aware FLCL is an OVA but that's a moot point.

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5765458)
a plot,


I sometimes wonder if anime fans even stop to realize how convoluted the shows they love really are. It helps to read "simpler" stuff like Greek plays and whatnot. Angel Beats is so needlessly over-the-top... just what does the whole afterlife / angel / god angle do for the story? Where is the meaning? It's like Final Fantasy XIII; a bunch of words with no meaning. Just story for the sake of it. =/


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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5765458)
But that's my opinion and your opinion is yours.

You know, I was okay with this actually. But then I realized how few people question the quality of the stuff they're fed. I'm not trying to attack anybody, I just think... I dunno, people accept mediocrity too much because it's familiar to them. I use to hate on people who played World War II shooters all the time, right? But... how is anime any better half the time? People just ask for the same thing over and over, and we get shows like Angel Beats or Umineko no Naku Koro ni.

But I guess you're right, you have a right to your opinion. I don't disrespect anyone for liking Angel Beats. I'm just tired and should probably take a nap, I dunno.

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5765458)
Most of the reactions I've seen so far composed of people saying things along the lines of "Maeda's old works are better."

Fear not, that's not my motivation... certainly not. Clannad was garbage.

RYOUKI May 1st, 2010 8:52 AM

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Originally Posted by T3h Kaiser (Post 5765524)
I sometimes wonder if anime fans even stop to realize how convoluted the shows they love really are. It helps to read "simpler" stuff like Greek plays and whatnot. Angel Beats is so needlessly over-the-top... just what does the whole afterlife / angel / god angle do for the story? Where is the meaning? It's like Final Fantasy XIII; a bunch of words with no meaning. Just story for the sake of it. =/

Hohoho. I was actually thinking what was the story of this anime. Because seriously, Music + Slice of Life + Fighting = Random.

Anyways, I don't get why people hated this anime when we're barely up to 5 episodes. People hated Umineko when the anime ended, although the seeds started planting early in the season, so yeah. I think you were just being judgmental. Frankly, I can't say this is one of the best animes in the Spring season (I think B-gata H-kei is more entertaining) but definitely not the worst.

Jordan May 1st, 2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by T3h Kaiser (Post 5765524)
You cannot tell me Angel Beats wasn't directly influenced by Haruhi. What is that, if not pandering?
The problem with harem and shounen anime is that they aren't unique, yes? Explain to me how Angel Beats is unique.[

Angel Beats wasn't directly influenced by Haruhi. Trollish speak aside, yes, there are many parallels between the show, but intentional or not is not one for me to judge. I didn't make either of those shows. But so what if something has influences from something else? It's the execution that's the matter. There's hardly anything out there hasn't been done before in some way or form. Like the central theme in almost every work nowadays; it almost always come down to: be a good guy. Not every optimistic story with that theme has to be bad, necessarily, don't you agree?
My point wasn't to push that Angel Beats! is an absolute unique story, but rather that it isn't to the same degree generic as the other shows. As for its own appeals, the characters were entertaining and their backstories are at the very least well thought out and not shallow.
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Why is "decent" acceptable? And is it really decent? The character designs are appealing, yes, but how much do you know about animation? Anime is very cheaply produced; frankly, there is a very large disconnect between shows like Angel Beats and FLCL in terms of quality... and yes, I'm aware FLCL is an OVA but that's a moot point.
Whether an anime's animation is acceptable or not is vastly subjective. I don't know a lot about animation; however, I've watched enough anime/cartoons/other animated works in my lifetime to judge for myself whether the animation looks fluid or below par. And compared to the vast majority of anime this season, and in the past in general, I'd say Angel Beats does a pretty good job.
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I sometimes wonder if anime fans even stop to realize how convoluted the shows they love really are. It helps to read "simpler" stuff like Greek plays and whatnot. Angel Beats is so needlessly over-the-top... just what does the whole afterlife / angel / god angle do for the story? Where is the meaning? It's like Final Fantasy XIII; a bunch of words with no meaning. Just story for the sake of it. =/
What does it do for the story and overall meaning? Nothing, and it doesn't have to. Angel Beats doesn't go out of its way to be The Tempest of the 21st century, nor should anyone think of it as such. It's to entertain and for the viewers to have a good time watching it.
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You know, I was okay with this actually. But then I realized how few people question the quality of the stuff they're fed. I'm not trying to attack anybody, I just think... I dunno, people accept mediocrity too much because it's familiar to them. I use to hate on people who played World War II shooters all the time, right? But... how is anime any better half the time? People just ask for the same thing over and over, and we get shows like Angel Beats or Umineko no Naku Koro ni.
I don't mind people accept mediocrity so long as they don't resent actual quality. But then again, that's also highly subjective what is quality, cultured, and what's not. There's a simple solution if you don't like those shows, and you've heard this a million times before: don't waste your time with them. There are more than enough great things for you to discover in this world so that you don't have to dwell on lamenting over things that don't exactly fit your bill. I take my own advice on this usually; I don't stick around on something I know I won't like. I guess that makes me less of a critic, but at least I'm having fun.
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But I guess you're right, you have a right to your opinion. I don't disrespect anyone for liking Angel Beats. I'm just tired and should probably take a nap, I dunno.
Rest well, my friend. You deserve it.
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Fear not, that's not my motivation... certainly not. Clannad was garbage.
But not before you and I have a fist fight!

J May 1st, 2010 4:31 PM

if I may--
http://i42.*.com/9icti0.gif

cough cough


Well, to be honest, T3h Kaiser has a point regarding the alarming lack of originality in animestuffs nowadays (as seen in several shounen jump titles, romance comedy light novels, etc). But in their defense, there really isn't much space for innovation. Simply put, most of the cool ideas have been thought of already.
To quote Yamakan:
"What we percieve as originality is simply very deft plagiarism."

no, it's not an excuse for being lazy with your character designs and storylines, but what can one do? Either invent something never-before-thought-of/bizarre and risk alienating one's audience (e.g. FLCL, which was both loved and hated by those who've watched it) , or sacrifice originality, recycling old concepts and things for something more approachable, and get slammed by critics all over the place.

anyways, digi-kun won't be really happy with this thread turning into a debate about the current state of the anime industry or whatever (and I'm kinda-sorta beating a dead horse here) so,

http://i42.*.com/2mzy3iq.jpg

DISCUSS

T3h Kaiser May 1st, 2010 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by J (Post 5766601)
But in their defense, there really isn't much space for innovation. Simply put, most of the cool ideas have been thought of already.
To quote Yamakan:
"What we percieve as originality is simply very deft plagiarism."

no, it's not an excuse for being lazy with your character designs and storylines, but what can one do? Either invent something never-before-thought-of/bizarre and risk alienating one's audience (e.g. FLCL, which was both loved and hated by those who've watched it) , or sacrifice originality, recycling old concepts and things for something more approachable, and get slammed by critics all over the place.

Well, I think that's part of the problem. There seems to be a constant need to either pander ones' audience, or innovate in all the wrong ways. For example, the whole afterlife school concept... what? What does that even mean? It is a new concept simply for the sake of it. Is it originality? Sure, in a shallow sort of way. But does it make sense? Does it relate to whatever meaning the show is trying to have? No, probably not.

I think because television is constantly airing, the same ideas will be reused over and over. This is a problem for people who do nothing but watch anime. The same is true for the video game industry and people who do nothing but play video games. And for people who think books are immune to this problem, they need only look to the romance section of your local bookstore... just reading books is a problem too. Storytelling would be much improved if more people of each respective medium would read more books, watch more TV, play more video games, etc. Cross-contaminate. As it is, however...


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Originally Posted by J. Jonathan Brett
For the purposes of illustration, compare this creative process with that which goes into the creation of the vast majority of manga. Contrary to what many Internet-savvy manga fans (who may or may not be Internet Jerks) will tell you, the vast majority of manga are pretty crummy. This is because the vast majority of manga are written by people who have read a lot of manga, really like manga, and decide that they, too, would like to make manga. They realize that if they’re going to make manga, it has to have some sort of “story”, and “characters” to populate the story. These people are quite literally writing to fill pages.

If you’re in the mood for contemplation, consider how this issue is evident to varying degrees in every medium.

-Sauce

Consider the amount of people who do nothing but watch anime. This is the only source of storytelling these people have. It is a very bad thing that contributes to a much larger problem.

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Originally Posted by J (Post 5766601)
anyways, digi-kun won't be really happy with this thread turning into a debate about the current state of the anime industry or whatever

I am sorry for derailing the thread, carry on. I love me some digi-kun, don't want to offend.

Arcanine May 1st, 2010 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by T3h Kaiser (Post 5764908)
I hate to seem like I'm trollin', but...

Angel Beats, honestly, is probably the most flagrant poster child of what is wrong with the anime industry right now. I really don't think they could be pandering anime fans anymore than they already are. School time fun, girl bands, knee socks, Haruhi-archtype, school clubs (named SSS, for God's sake! SOS, SSS?!), convoluted plot that amounts to nothing... it's shows like this that make the anime industry go in circles as it does. All Maeda Jun has done is made a Frankenstein plot piecemealing every anime stereotype and plot device of the last ten years and dressed it up with pretty art; add a breakout character like TK and you get an instant fanbase.

It does not deserve the support it receives. It is as derivative and shallow as they come.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcanine (Post 5727741)

AB is different, and funny, has some action, Yuri reminds me of Haruhi, and AB has some really good music to it.

>__________________>;;

Who said you can't have things the same and yet be called different? Take Final Fantasy XIII for example... setting aside it has a different story, setting aside it has different characters, a new battle system, and so on. But we can't call it different because it takes from other games? The main character is based off of Cloud from VII, or the leveling system looks like that of FFX. Yea, it might have taken from here and there, but the game is still good, and the game is still different. Just because it takes a few things doesn't make it any less of a good game.

I personally think if you get so wrapped up in what an anime took from this or that then I don't see any fun in watching an anime. Yea, there's lots of Haruhi in it, and I wish they didn't use so much Haruhi just so people would quit using it as a base for Angel Beats.
And if you're looking and wanting something totally different then good luck, chances are when you find an anime like that you're not going to like it.




Anyway. I watched episode 5 last night, as far as I know it's the only episode I've watched twice in a row back to back (as in like 5 minutes apart).
Spoiler:
The episode like always was really funny. But I like this episode a lot because they sort give Tenshi a character, and you haven't seen any interaction since the very start of episode 1 (when Otonashi was talking to her about her being Angel, and so on). Yea... there's the Baseball episode but about the only interaction that goes on is saying "Hey, you shouldn't be here".

The part where they were taking the tests... I loved it, and I couldn't stop laughing. It was just stupid stuff, but still I found it really funny.
And we get to hear Yui sing again, and she isn't half bad. XD

But what got me was Tenshi/Kanade Tachibana. I felt really bad for Tenshi this episode. The second part was a sad episode, not sad as in crying sad, but I just felt so bad for her. She lost everything and just wanted a little comfort food, and she lost that.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/Arcanine_PC/ABep5.jpg
And that just killed me, being alone, and then losing the only thing that might make you slightly happy. Having no one there to help you in the hard times.... just.... alone.... Maybe this is why I rewatched it, I don't know. But still, this episode really got to me. I just hope that Otonashi tries to reach out to her, because so far he's been the only one to do so.

That and I really can't wait for the next ep. I thought there was something different about this Noai person, how he doesn't look like some NPC (not that we got to see much of him), but I can't wait to see how this turns out.


Angel Beats is slowly working it's way up my fav anime list. I can't make a final judgment until the series is over (just like how I can't rate it until it's over), but I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up on my top 5 list. So far it's at the top of my list for this season (and I've got one or two other big names on my list too).


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Originally Posted by J (Post 5766601)

Wow...... that's pretty shocking. I hope it's not just some coincidence, I hope there's something to it.

parallelzero May 1st, 2010 7:04 PM

I'm just at the point with anime that it doesn't have to be particularly original for me to watch it these days. Sure, plot ideas and characters repeat themselves, but what can you do? Something original can only happen once, and if we were to only get completely unique anime every season, we'd probably end up with only two series tops. That said, I don't mind harem and comedy series reusing character types and such since I'm watching for lulz, not the plot. When it comes to more serious series, and stuff like mecha, I tend to take originality into more serious consideration.

That said, Angel Beats! has some unique concepts, which is good enough for me. If they don't ultimately make much sense, I don't really care. For me to enjoy an anime, it doesn't have to make completely sense. If you're too over-analytical about fictional plots, you'll always find a flaw in EVERYTHING. Anime is made for entertainment purposes, so as long as it's actually entertaining, plot holes and such can be excused.

Anyways, I'm unfortunately behind this week since I went away last night, but I hope to watch it (and Durarara!! - gdi I want to watch that more) tomorrow and then I can actually comment. Though I can say:

YUI IS THE AWESOMEST

J May 1st, 2010 7:33 PM

Speaking of DRRR!, I saw a totally awesome parody of its ED on nicovideo. Unfortunately for non-nicousers, the video isn't on Youtube yet. (I think?)

But since I'm such a nice guy, I uploaded the actual video file for you. (instead of uploading it to youtube haha)

T3h Kaiser May 1st, 2010 8:12 PM

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Originally Posted by parallelzero (Post 5767028)
I'm just at the point with anime that it doesn't have to be particularly original for me to watch it these days. Sure, plot ideas and characters repeat themselves, but what can you do?

Watch something else? Read a book? Play a game?

It seems to me that there are "anime people" who would rather watch shallow anime because it's anime, rather than experience good storytelling in, say... a book. Or a game. Or an American show.

That's not to say that all anime people exclusively watch anime, but I just get the feeling that alot of anime is watched for the sake of watching anime. Do you really think that many people would watch Lucky Star if it were just another show on American television? >_>

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Originally Posted by parallelzero (Post 5767028)
If you're too over-analytical about fictional plots, you'll always find a flaw in EVERYTHING.

Only if it tries too hard. =/

The Dragon Quest series ranks among my favorite video games of all time, because each game deals with a simple theme. Unlike Final Fantasy, they don't do thousands of damage per hit and fly to the moon and enter alternate dimensions. Unlike Final Fantasy, each installment doesn't try and outdo the last.

I would personally like it if more anime followed the Dragon Quest method. Instead of talking about angels and the afterlife and secret societies and synchronized dance routines and mecha and whatever... maybe they should just try and have meaning.

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Originally Posted by parallelzero (Post 5767028)
Anime is made for entertainment purposes, so as long as it's actually entertaining, plot holes and such can be excused.

I agree that there is a place for this sort of thing, yeah. Nothing wrong with a bit of camp.

But consider how many decades television has been passed off as just entertainment. Why can't it be great art? Why can't we get some meaning out of it? People have passed off television as "just entertainment" and now we have reality television and shounen anime.

Bleh, I'm probably not making any friends, I should quit while I'm... ahead? Yeah, carry on friends, Angel Beat to your <3's content.


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