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JuiceeHugS April 27th, 2010 1:03 AM

Pokewalker "!!" and "!!!" exclamation points: Useful to hesitate?
 
Before I go on, I'd like to ask the moderators to not move my thread into the HG/SS thread or any other thread for that matter. Whenever a thread of mine is moved, it doesn't generate many replies or it is totally ignored. This is a specific question/series of questions that I'm asking and I'd like to see this thread develop and generate useful responses.

Based on my experiences so far, when searching for wild Pokemon in bushes and waiting for exclamations points to pop up, I believe that there is a random amount of time that passes by from the moment the exclamation points appear until the moment they go away. For example, it takes about 5 seconds for the first (!) bush before the Pokemon gets away, about 2-2.5 seconds for the second (!) bush, and about 1-2 seconds for the third (!!) bush. I think that if you hesitate just long enough before clicking an !/!! exclamation bush, it will increase the odds of a !! or !!! bush appearing.

Again, I'm not entirely sure about any of this, but do you think that what I'm saying is accurate? Does hesitating before clicking on a bush really help you get more !! and !!!'s? Or are their frequency solely based on luck? If waiting before clicking a !/!! bush doesn't help increase the odds of a !! or !!! appearing, I'd save myself the trouble of letting Pokemon get away from me as a result of waiting too long.

Please share your thoughts and experiences with hunting for Pokemon in !! and !!! bushes, and any certain techniques you use.

myrrh25 April 27th, 2010 1:08 AM

This got me thinking, and I will definetely by trying this next time I use my PokeWalker.

As I have fund it, the more steps you have increases the chance of getting a "!!" and then a "!!!", but hey, there could be more involved with it.

JuiceeHugS April 27th, 2010 1:24 AM

Yes having more steps increases the odds of rarer, higher-exclamation point bushes to appear. I know that having an advantageous type cuts the amount of required steps for the rarer Groups by 25%, but does it also help you advance to the "!!" and "!!!" bushes? And if so, by how much does it increase the frequency by?

Ninja Caterpie April 27th, 2010 1:29 AM

You actually need certain amounts of steps just to unlock the !! and !!!, according to Serebii.

Then again, I don't trust that Pokéwalker page after finding a TM after taking 31 steps somewhere.

RuRuBell April 27th, 2010 7:40 AM

I also usually wait for !! or !!! to pop up in a bush, though sometimes if you wait too long the Pokemon escapes.

John-117 April 27th, 2010 8:56 AM

One time, I got !!! and I met Azurill

Vulpixer April 27th, 2010 9:22 AM

I've never thought of that before. I'll definitely try it!

Kavii April 27th, 2010 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5755142)
You actually need certain amounts of steps just to unlock the !! and !!!, according to Serebii.

Then again, I don't trust that Pokéwalker page after finding a TM after taking 31 steps somewhere.

In regards to the !!! and !! being unlocked by steps and a type advantage unlocking it 25% sooner, I believe that is fully correct as I have tried and tried and tried to see what kinds of Pokemon I would get before the !! and the !!! requirements were met in regards to steps and have never once gotten the !! and !!!. Maybe someone else has had a different experience?

In regards to the TM finding, I 'met' with my friend's Pokemon before I had walked 100 steps and I received a Rain Dance TM and I also found a Sandstorm TM before I reached the 5K mark.

I suspect that the numbers at Serebii and everywhere else are simply very good guesstimates rather than absolutes.

Like how everyone goes 'OMGNO!' at how someone could catch a legendary in one throw with a regular Poke Ball without dealing any damage whatsoever, I think super low percentage chance of variances in the item finding IS possible as I have encountered such situations before.

I suspect that type advantage has something to do with who and what sorts of Pokemon you run into in the Pokewalker and then there has just GOT to be a matter of simple/dumb luck. I have put into the same course different Pokemon - different types, different Pokemon of the same type - and it seems that without fail, some of them have 'better luck' than the others do.

For example, my Scyther roaming around on the Beautiful Beach or whatever that Beach-y path is produced no fewer than 5 incidents of 'Found 50 Watts!' within 5K-7.5K steps in addition to running into Staryu at pretty much every try once I hit 5K.

My Dratini on the other hand had no such luck and is supposed to be at a type advantage. Some advantage!

Anyone else have any similar experiences?

ソラ April 27th, 2010 2:15 PM

I ran into a !!! in Yellow Forest, but stupid critical hit ):
anyways I'm done with the Pokewalkers for right now xD taking a break :3

JuiceeHugS April 27th, 2010 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kavii (Post 5756300)
I suspect that the numbers at Serebii and everywhere else are simply very good guesstimates rather than absolutes.

I suspect that too. It'd be nice to see a fully comprehensive guide to the Pokewalker with statistics...if anyone can link me to one that already exists, that'd be great.

Anyway, sometimes I'll accidentally click on a "!" bush as soon as I hover the cursor over it and it will still grant me the next "!" bush. Does this mean that it's possible to get to a "!!!" bush without having to hesitate? (I haven't tried this yet since I'm kinda stingy about wasting valuable watts [I usually get watts when I walk at work...I hate mindlessly shaking the Pokewalker])

Kavii April 27th, 2010 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceeHugS (Post 5756533)
I suspect that too. It'd be nice to see a fully comprehensive guide to the Pokewalker with statistics...if anyone can link me to one that already exists, that'd be great.

Anyway, sometimes I'll accidentally click on a "!" bush as soon as I hover the cursor over it and it will still grant me the next "!" bush. Does this mean that it's possible to get to a "!!!" bush without having to hesitate? (I haven't tried this yet since I'm kinda stingy about wasting valuable watts [I usually get watts when I walk at work...I hate mindlessly shaking the Pokewalker])

I've gotten the !! and !!! without hesitating. Actually, it doesn't seem to matter to me if I hesitate or not. And honestly, if you hesitate once the second ! pops up, the chances of missing it completely is higher. At least, in my experience that is true.

I have my Larvitar in my Pokewalker right now and I'm in Yellow Forest trying to catch a Volt Tackle Pikachu and I poked around in the grass at least 3 different times before I got past the ! and the second ! and the !!. After that, I got 3 !!! in a row. I currently have 12K+ steps.

Really, I don't think hesitating or not hesitating matters as I have gotten both single !s and !!!s, but I don't mind testing it out more.

JuiceeHugS April 27th, 2010 3:32 PM

Thanks for your input! I'll try NOT hesitating, because I do let several Pokemon get away as a result of waiting too long.

GlitchCity April 27th, 2010 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by コナンくん (Post 5756347)
I ran into a !!! in Yellow Forest, but stupid critical hit ):
anyways I'm done with the Pokewalkers for right now xD taking a break :3

I had that expierence not too long ago, Im still trying for a flying pikachu. I think it takes 10000 steps to get a high precentage according to serebii.

Kavii April 27th, 2010 3:48 PM

Give it a shot and see what happens. :)

I have a suspicion that the game makers have a formula to determine the probability of catching the !! and !!! Pokemon that involves type-advantages (though honestly, Scyther did not have a type advantage of any sort on Beautiful Beach), which Pokemon is in the pokewalker (I have noticed that that does affect what Pokemon I have available to catch), how rare the !!! Pokemon is (finding Staryu with Scyther was a piece of cake while finding !!! Pikachus were a pain!), and just plain simple chance.

Also, I have been curious to find out if a Pokemon's Happiness level has anything to do with it as well (eg: improved dowsing abilities, finding more watts, better chances of running into the rare Pokemon, etc).

Omn April 27th, 2010 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kavii (Post 5756636)
Give it a shot and see what happens. :)

I have a suspicion that the game makers have a formula to determine the probability of catching the !! and !!! Pokemon that involves type-advantages (though honestly, Scyther did not have a type advantage of any sort on Beautiful Beach), which Pokemon is in the pokewalker (I have noticed that that does affect what Pokemon I have available to catch), how rare the !!! Pokemon is (finding Staryu with Scyther was a piece of cake while finding !!! Pikachus were a pain!), and just plain simple chance.

Also, I have been curious to find out if a Pokemon's Happiness level has anything to do with it as well (eg: improved dowsing abilities, finding more watts, better chances of running into the rare Pokemon, etc).

I think Happiness does affect cause I carry my Vaporeon around all the time and when I check on it I usually get around fifty watts.

JuiceeHugS April 27th, 2010 4:40 PM

A happy Pokemon will find more watts for you. I've had my Pikachu give me 10, 20, and 50 watts. I heard that you can find 150 watts, though this hasn't happened to me yet. And I don't know if having a happier Pokemon will increase the odds of finding !! and !!! Pokemon, though it would be awesome if it did.

Kavii April 27th, 2010 5:38 PM

I carried my Furret around in my Pokewalker and she loves me the most out of everyone in my gang (always cuddling, always looking at me with adoration, always 'putting in extra effort', etc) but she only found 10 to 20 watts where my Scyther who hadn't love me yet (was in the 'really trusts you a lot' range) found 50 watts multiple times.

I'm confused! I'm guessing that maybe this is when type advantages/disadvantages and/or Pokemons being suited to the right course matters?

bobandbill April 28th, 2010 2:32 AM

For the record I'm fairly sure the numbers given from serebii are from the result of an awful lot of trial and error in a thread over there - many are quite accurate, but maybe some thing slik items may be up in the air... but then again people found out the exact secret ids required to have the 'chance' of finding a shiny on the Pokewalker, etc, so maybe a good amount of that is 100% accurate.

I have no qualms with further discussion on this though - could be a fun Pokewalker-investigation thread in itself, actually. BTW, on the above bit I have read that the amount and/or frequency of having your Pokemon finds you watts depends on their happiness... of course to be really sure, extended amounts of testing would be reqiured. It's got some luck involved in it as well I believe to an extent.

Quote:

I've had my Pikachu give me 10, 20, and 50 watts. I heard that you can find 150 watts, though this hasn't happened to me yet.
I havn't heard about the 150 watts thing there, and have only gotten 10/20/50 myself.

GlitchCity April 28th, 2010 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 5757474)
I havn't heard about the 150 watts thing there, and have only gotten 10/20/50 myself.

Well im not sure if your pokemon can find 150 watts (or more) but Im pretty sure you can get more than 50n watts by communicating with your friend.

And I triend the hesitation thoery a few times and the furtherest i got was two "!!'s"

myrrh25 April 28th, 2010 3:36 AM

The interesting thing about the PokeWaker is that it probably has more power and capabilities inside it than the original gameboy did.

morrison April 28th, 2010 4:01 AM

I tried it before and it didnt really apply.

bobandbill April 28th, 2010 4:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlitchCity (Post 5757522)
Well im not sure if your pokemon can find 150 watts (or more) but Im pretty sure you can get more than 50n watts by communicating with your friend.

Well that is certainly possible via th mystery-gift with other pokewalkers bit. Just that I never did more than 10 in one day so I can't exactly find out for myself. XD

Tanaie April 28th, 2010 8:59 AM

To be honest, I don't think hesitating makes a difference. It could, but I don't believe it does.

I've clicked on those bushes as fast as I can, and I've still managed to get a "!!!"

Like people have said already, I'm pretty sure that it's the amount of steps you walk that determine what kind of "!" you get.

JackNg April 28th, 2010 9:10 AM

I usually just wait till i clock enough steps for Group A pokes and starting catching them. I tend to hesitate sometimes(walking with your eyes on your pokewalker is not fun, and it hurts. :/ ) You get to see more !!!s and !!s and i've seen !!!!s a couple times.

Kavii April 28th, 2010 2:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 5757474)
For the record I'm fairly sure the numbers given from serebii are from the result of an awful lot of trial and error in a thread over there - many are quite accurate, but maybe some thing slik items may be up in the air... but then again people found out the exact secret ids required to have the 'chance' of finding a shiny on the Pokewalker, etc, so maybe a good amount of that is 100% accurate.

I have no qualms with further discussion on this though - could be a fun Pokewalker-investigation thread in itself, actually. BTW, on the above bit I have read that the amount and/or frequency of having your Pokemon finds you watts depends on their happiness... of course to be really sure, extended amounts of testing would be reqiured. It's got some luck involved in it as well I believe to an extent.

I havn't heard about the 150 watts thing there, and have only gotten 10/20/50 myself.

Serebii's advice has been extremely useful and helpful to me so far. :)

The commentary I made about good guesstimation (or rather, that the numbers and data may not be absolute) comes from my own experiences that have contradicted with some of the things that Serebii has posted.

For example:

- finding a TM way earlier than I was supposed to be able to

- having a Pokemon who loves me more find fewer watts for me than a Pokemon who loves me less

I'm thinking that in my particular case with the Furret vs Scyther, it had to be luck because according to the Lady in Goldenrod, Scyther only 'really trusts' me and Furret 'really loves me a lot' and yet...

Scyther kept finding 50 watts time after time where my Furret only was finding 20 watts at most for the longest time (and I had clocked in the same number of steps as I had when I had Scyther and I was physically walking the same route and so my steps were consistent between the two times).

- having a Pokemon actually lose Happiness after being put into the Pokewalker

THIS bit actually dumbfounds me the most, but I fully swear that what I am about to say is true.

So I had an Eevee that I was trying to make more Happy by walking with it in the Pokewalker. I walk with him and clock my usual 5K+ steps on I forgot what path. We dowse for a few items, try and catch a few Pokemon, etc, and then I bring him back into my game.

When I show him to the Lady in Goldenrod, I am shocked to find that his Happiness actually DEcreased during the time in the Pokewalker. HUH?!

So.

Before I had exported him to my Pokewalker, the Lady in Goldenrod had said that 'He's cute'.

I went back to the Pokecenter in the same town right away and deposited him in the box so I could export him to the Pokewalker. No battling, no fainting (obviously), no not letting him keep something that he found - basically, no anything that would have gotten him mad at me.

I took him out on a Pokewalker walk and we seem to have a decent time.

I bring him back into the game and promptly go to show the Lady (expecting his Happiness level is the same or better because I wasn't sure HOW cute he was at the time) and his Happiness level is now at 'You should treat it better. It's not used to you yet.'

WTF?

I thought Pokewalker walks are supposed to INCREASE happiness, not DECREASE it?

JuiceeHugS April 29th, 2010 12:00 AM

Kavii ^ THAT is very interesting. In the Pokewalker diary, if my Scizor had let several Pokemon get away on a certain day, the diary will note that my Scizor is "sulking", which basically means he isn't too happy.

On another note, I've found that encountering !!! Pokemon is much more common on certain routes than others. I'd hardly find any !!! in the Yellow Forest, but found several !!! in Night's Sky Edge.

Kavii April 29th, 2010 1:30 AM

Do you think/know if your Scizor lost a Happiness level because of what happened?

I've had Pokemon sulk also and where I can't remember if that happened with my Eevee or not, I know for sure he lost Happiness.

People keep telling me that Pokemon won't/can't lose Happiness in the Pokewalker, but something sure happened to my Eevee to make him unhappy while in the Pokewalker.

Maybe it was similar - 'losing' a lot of battles in the Pokewalker and not finding a lot of things?

bobandbill April 29th, 2010 3:37 AM

...you know, that just may be in it. I remember reading some conflicting stories about Pokemon used purely on the Pokewalker and then levelled up once outside of it (like Golbat) which sometimes evolved from happiness, and sometimes didn't even though apparently it 'should have' ben happy enough by then. It may also be affected by having it in the Pokewalker but not walking much for some time? That could explain the strangeness regarding watt-finding as well...

Obviously, more testing is needed! XD

Kavii April 29th, 2010 1:56 PM

I'm currently keeping a mini-journal on how my various Pokewalker activities have turned out and when I get more data, I'll gladly share it/post it here to help contribute to the data pool. :)

One question though in relation to the Pokewalker data at Serebii: I know that all the possible Pokemon that can be caught in the Pokewalker are parted into groups (A, B, and C) and that there is a percentage chance of running into them at different intervals, but how do you read the data below it?

For example: Group C for Yellow Forest. Underneath the two possible Group C Pikachus where it says 0+ Steps, there is another table cell right below that lists a bunch of other percentages. What exactly is that table displaying?

Serebii April 30th, 2010 1:21 AM

The percentages and step requirements are actually extracted from the game and calculated for each item/pokemon's inclusion using simple mathematics. If you found a TM after only 31 steps, then it seems to us that you had already gained X amount of steps for that day. The step count is in all courses. It doesn't reset when you change course

For the percentages below;

When you send a Pokémon to Pokéwalker, it chooses 1 Pokémon from Group A, one from Group B and one from Group C

Each Pokémon has a set percentage for rarity. However, this then changes as the amount of steps you have taken increases

The rarity is then recalculated based upon the rarity of the Group B Pokémon chosen when enough steps have been made to make it appear.

It is then recalculated when you reach the step requirements for the Group A Pokémon

For Refreshing Field for example,

Doduo has a 70% rarity while Kangaskhan has a 50% rarity. This is only active after 2000 and 3000 steps respectively

The Nidoran's have 75% rarity after 500 steps. But if Doduo is selected, their rarity is 22.5% and with Kangaskhan it's 37.% after the step requirements unlock them

Then we have the Group C Pokémon
Doduo Selected;
0+ Steps: 100%
500+ Steps: 25%
2000+ Steps: 7.5%
Kangaskhan Selected
0+ Steps: 100%
500+ Steps: 25%
3000+ Steps: 12.5%

There are then some which get complicated when the Group B Pokémon have different rarities which give the Group C Pokémon 4 different rarity possibilities such in Blue Lake;

Poliwag/Shellder
0+ St: 100%
500+ St: 8%
4000+ St: 3.2%
Poliwag/Krabby
0+ St: 100%
500+ St: 28%
4000+ St: 11.2%
Dratini/Shellder
0+ St: 100%
500+ St: 8%
5000+ St: 5.6%
Dratini/Krabby
0+ St: 100%
500+ St: 28%
5000+ St: 19.6%

For Yellow Forest, since all the Pokémon are Pikachus, they're labelled by their individual unique move


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