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Kanto_Johto June 13th, 2012 7:46 AM

Reading through this thread makes me feel as though I missed out big time having not played Emerald; sounds like a great game.

However, I think the vast differences in terms of storyline between R/S and E lead me to believe that if remakes are to be made, they'll be solely remakes of R/S with the original Team Magma/Aqua storyline and with Steven as Champion (similar to how FireRed and LeafGreen didn't introduce any of Yellow's significant changes). A mixed storyline would definitely prove to be more interesting though.

blue June 13th, 2012 8:10 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7212957)
I said next year because they usually produce a remake a year or so after the last main title. Releasing for christmas this year would lower sales of B2W2 or the remakes as both would be pokemon's main focus for sales which is destructive to the company. At the earliest I can see a feb. or march release as it wouldn't have as drastic of an wffect on estimated sales. If not then the remakes could be next years main focus depending on what Gamefreak and Nintendo plan on doing marketing wise.

As for the caves in B2W2, watch we get trolled and they'll have either a) nothing to do with hoenn. Or b) have groudon/kyogre in them as an after game catch.

I agree, we had Platinum in September and then HGSS the following September in order for Platinum to gain a respectable amount of sales so going by past releases I'd expect them to release them around mid 2013 for Japan and then the rest will follow 5/6 months later in November/December which would actually mark the 10 year anniversary for Europe.
The caves I doubt have any relation to Kyogre & Groudon although there's still the possibility but for me I still see it as a relevant hint due to the circumstances.

MiTjA June 13th, 2012 8:23 AM

The caves are proof that no RS remakes are in the making if anything. Theyd keep Kyogre/Groudon (or however you guys think those cave are any hint) out of BW2 if they were planning to make them stars anytime soon.

blue June 13th, 2012 9:56 AM

Kyogre & Groudon aren't making an appearence in B2W2 IIRC. Also I've noticed that many of the sprites from Hoenn have been changed between DPPT & BW but if you look at them many have been changed to the original positioning in RSE.. just look at Swellow, Slaking, Altaria, Pelipper and more on Bulbapedia.

C Payne June 13th, 2012 10:07 AM

I smell a 3DS remake brewing...that's some major foreshadowing there.

Here is a pic of the supposed cave exclusives in B2W2(one magma based/one water based), cut them out so as to not use the huge image. Took the pic from the CoroCoro scans posted on Serebii.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7210/rseforeshadow.png

Clark June 13th, 2012 10:30 AM

I doubt the caves will have Groudon and Kyogre in them, available for you to catch. We got Groudon and Kyogre rather recently in HGSS, and there are other legendaries with more urgent availability needs. The caves may very well be in reference to them, but that doesn't mean Groudon and Kyogre are in BW2, or that there can't be RSE remakes for that matter. And for all we know the caves might not have anything to do with RSE's legendaries; water/fire is a common theme, and if the caves have to mirror each other of course pools of magma would be used as a parallel to pools of water.

blue June 13th, 2012 10:37 AM

Groudon and Kyogre wouldn't fit into Black & White's plot.. they have no relation and really, I doubt it's something Nintendo would do.

Sydian June 13th, 2012 10:40 AM

Maybe they are event areas for a Kyogre and Groudon in-game event. idk.

MiTjA June 13th, 2012 12:01 PM

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Well then I fail to see why they are so obviously hints to anything RS related? Let alone being a clue for upcoming remakes or whatever?

People pointed to the damn colours of the "2" in the BW2 logos when they were revealed.

C Payne June 13th, 2012 12:15 PM

I think that's more because of how much the remakes are looked forward to, along with the fact that Gen I already had it's remake. Who would have seriously guessed that they'd use those colors for an unrelated matter, aka B2 and W2?

Also, as of now, we don't know what the caves will be used for; we already got Groudon and Kyogre in HGSS recently though, as has been pointed out, and the Magma/Aqua(water) theme has nothing to do with BW, or Unova for that matter(at least not the '2 year ago' version).

With that said, I think most of us would like to see the caves as having to do with hinting of the remakes, not that they necessarily mean it. The theme popping up like that seems too...direct to be just coincidence, although we could just be getting trolled again, like was thought of further up this page.

Xander Olivieri June 13th, 2012 1:03 PM

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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7213240)
I think that's more because of how much the remakes are looked forward to, along with the fact that Gen I already had it's remake. Who would have seriously guessed that they'd use those colors for an unrelated matter, aka B2 and W2?

Also, as of now, we don't know what the caves will be used for; we already got Groudon and Kyogre in HGSS recently though, as has been pointed out, and the Magma/Aqua(water) theme has nothing to do with BW, or Unova for that matter(at least not the '2 year ago' version).

With that said, I think most of us would like to see the caves as having to do with hinting of the remakes, not that they necessarily mean it. The theme popping up like that seems too...direct to be just coincidence, although we could just be getting trolled again, like was thought of further up this page.

I honestly see them throwing in Groudon and Kyogre into the Story as a Post Game thing since you can most likely get into Black City/White Forest before the end of the Story. Its something trolly enough for Gamefreak to do.

wombateiro June 13th, 2012 1:25 PM

Even if Kyogre and Groudon are going to be in those caves, I wouldn't say remakes will be denied by their presence. We know that R/S remakes won't be necessary to get Hoenn legendaries into gen 5 because we can transfer them from older games.
The main reason for R/S remakes will be to render Hoenn into modern graphics. Gamefreak's people have already rendered most of Hoenn-ish environment in gen 5. And now they've rendered lava cave which is Hoenn's signature location. Those water/lava caves look exactly like they should look in remakes.

Xander Olivieri June 13th, 2012 1:39 PM

A Lava cave isn't Hoenn's signature environment. They had volcanoes in Kanto, Sinnoh, and Johto as well. Now there is one in Unova. Hoenn doesn't stake claim to Magma/:ava and Hoenn itself has not been rendered with Gen 5 Graphics.

MiTjA June 13th, 2012 1:44 PM

Alright time for a proper rant from me that I've developed over the past years about this topic (lol.):

So everyone is like "RSE remakes are obvious since it happened 2 times before".
Well I disagree.
I am confident that Gamefreak realised doing this thing for a third time won't work nearly as good enough as it did for RBY/GSC.

Gen III set new standards for the whole "third version" fiasco.
It was when they figured they might as well create the initial versions with the third in the back of their minds.
Meaning they intentionally told an incomplete story from 2 sides, just so they could combine them and complete them into the full story for the third game.

You might (or not) already notice a problem this poses for remake potential.
The remakes so far, only featured the initial versions, because the third did not add anything that was such a big deal they couldn't just include it in both versions without affecting anything. If they did this for RS remakes, it would be a mess.
Meaning they would have to either remake all three games (which would just spread the sales into more titles), or have to change the main part of the plot in such drastic ways that they would not be actual remakes anymore, OR they could simply leave Rayquaza as a mysterious unexplained postcredits legend on both, which would be quite sad.

The second thing to note is that compared to the previous remade generations, gen III pretty much set the last serious mechanics upgrades, and wouldn't play much differently.
There is the special/physical split, but thats about it.
Graphically also, it was quite more developed, and had very exotic atmospheres. It had a much more distinct visual feel.

What I'm getting at here is that just adding 2 or 3 new fun places in some corner will not cut it this time. Nor will plain remakes be easily done without some adjusting of the plot.

I'm not saying I don't want to see Hoenn again. Neither am I saying we won't see it again.

But they would have to spice up their remake-business a level or two.

If I was in charge, the most obvious solution where everybody wins, seems to be in abandoning the plain remake concept (when the games are copy paste down to the point of hidden items and every single trainer roster) and do REVISITS from now on instead.

A new player, experiencing the old region but in newer times.

It is nostalgia and new at the same time.

Not to mention all the fanservice potential with meeting old characters, or their relatives now taking over their gym etc.

Just imagine how that would sell compared to the same game with newer graphics, which would maybe get them half as much as the other remakes..
"A completely new adventure in good old Hoenn. Old faces, new faces, discover the changes and the remaining mysteries"

For legendaries in particular it could for example explain more about the golems, how they relate to Regigigas.
(Also, it's about time Jirachi got an actual ingame event place like the rest.)

In short:
plain RS remakes=lame same old milking
A Hoenn sequel=potential to actually outsell previous remakes

I thought this would be the way to go, before BW2 were even announced, but with those 2 games showing us for the first time that sequels are an option, it just makes it even more likely than before!

Xander Olivieri June 13th, 2012 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7213324)
Alright time for a proper rant from me that I've developed over the past years about this topic (lol.):

So everyone is like "RSE remakes are obvious since it happened 2 times before".
Well I disagree.
I am confident that Gamefreak realised doing this thing for a third time won't work nearly as good enough as it did for RBY/GSC.

Gen III set new standards for the whole "third version" fiasco.
It was when they figured they might as well create the initial versions with the third in the back of their minds.
Meaning they intentionally told an incomplete story from 2 sides, just so they could combine them and complete them into the full story for the third game.

You might (or not) already notice a problem this poses for remake potential.
The remakes so far, only featured the initial versions, because the third did not add anything that was such a big deal they couldn't just include it in both versions without affecting anything. If they did this for RS remakes, it would be a mess.
Meaning they would have to either remake all three games (which would just spread the sales into more titles), or have to change the main part of the plot in such drastic ways that they would no be real remakes, OR they could simply leave Rayquaza as a mysterious unexplained postcredits legend on both, which would be quite sad.

The second thing to note is that compared to the previous remade generations, gen III pretty much set the last serious mechanics upgrades, and wouldn't play much differently.
There is the special/physical split, but thats about it.
Graphically also, it was quite more developed, and had very exotic atmospheres.

What I'm getting at here is that just adding 2 or 3 new fun places in some corner will not cut it this time. Nor will plain remakes be easily done without some adjusting of the plot.

I'm not saying I don't want to see Hoenn again. Neither am I saying we won't see it again.

But they would have to spice up their remake-business a level or two.

If I was in charge, the most obvious solution where everybody wins, seems to be in abandoning the plain remake concept (when the games are copy paste down to the point of hidden items and every single trainer roster) and do REVISITS from now on instead.

A new player, experiencing the old region but in newer times.

It is nostalgia and new at the same time.

Not to mention all the fanservice potential with meeting old characters, or their relatives now taking over their gym etc.

Just imagine how that would sell compared to the same game with newer graphics, which would maybe get them half as much as the other remakes..
"A completely new adventure in good old Hoenn. Old faces, new faces, discover the changes and the remaining mysteries"

For legendaries in particular it could for example explain more about the golems, how they relate to Regigigas.
(Also, it's about time Jirachi got an actual ingame event place like the rest.)

In short:
plain RS remakes=lame same old milking
A Hoenn sequel=potential to actually outsell previous remakes

I thought this would be the way to go, before BW2 were even announced, but with those 2 games showing us for the first time that sequels are an option, it just makes it even more likely than before!

A lot of this is what a small part of majority of the arguments had in here were about. XD

Honestly a Sequel to Hoenn would be awesome. That could easily become the 6th Generation game if they added new Pokemon to it with a new story. Even if it doesn't become a 6th Generation idea the concept of Sequels, especially for this game is an amazing one, the only question is how they would go about doing this. Unlike the other three Major teams, Aqua and Magma disbanded by themselves after seeing the error of their ways, not because some random 10 Year old thwarted us not once, but twice (Gens 1 and 2) or all major parties were Arrested/Mysteriously disappeared (Gens 4 and 5).

Aqua and Magma just gave up after realizing their goals only to find out their goals were bad. So that would pretty much require a new bad guy team as well as a new focal legend cause (even though) Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza may or may not have been caught since it wasn't mandatory to the stories to catch them.

MiTjA June 13th, 2012 2:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7213349)
A lot of this is what a small part of majority of the arguments had in here were about. XD

Honestly a Sequel to Hoenn would be awesome. That could easily become the 6th Generation game if they added new Pokemon to it with a new story. Even if it doesn't become a 6th Generation idea the concept of Sequels, especially for this game is an amazing one, the only question is how they would go about doing this. Unlike the other three Major teams, Aqua and Magma disbanded by themselves after seeing the error of their ways, not because some random 10 Year old thwarted us not once, but twice (Gens 1 and 2) or all major parties were Arrested/Mysteriously disappeared (Gens 4 and 5).

Aqua and Magma just gave up after realizing their goals only to find out their goals were bad. So that would pretty much require a new bad guy team as well as a new focal legend cause (even though) Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza may or may not have been caught since it wasn't mandatory to the stories to catch them.

I've been wondering about that.

Yes, the awesome way to pull this off would be by making it an actual new generation.

The other way I can see it, they could do some ancient formes thing on us, but that would be pushing it lol... and its not like people arent pissed off by formes in particular atm for some silly reason.

With the VI gen way, it would obviously be a Johto/Sinnoh-like thing, with maybe adding a hundred pokes that mostly consist of hidden special stuff, with the common ones being Hoenn focused and introducing moar big deal legends.

Or... they could make you start off on a new landmass located northwest of Hoenn, but let you visit it, ie what Johto was for Kanto.

Anyhow. I want a giant orange nasty Ground/Bug alt evo for Trapinch then! ): <

Villainous team you say.
Get all the bored passionate Aqua/Magma grunts together, merge them into a single new environmental group, and call them Team Gaia. Ba dum tssss.
Create appropriate legends focused on nature and the stage is set. Besides, its time for an important Grass type legendary Id say.
:E

But yes my point is, anything but plain old remakes involving Hoenn should be the smarter move.

Ive been quite confident for a while that gen VI is gotta be a complimenting gen for Unova. But I figured Unova is much better rounded up and has a feel of completness on its own, not to mention BW2 essentially pulls a Johto trick without using new pokemon already... so who knows what they plan lol...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 13th, 2012 3:21 PM

Sequel for Remakes...imagine Ruby Rayquaza and a Sapphire Rayquaza formes xD Or maybe a stronger forme for Groudon and Kyogre to make them equal to Rayquaza stat wise.
Though the evil team thing is interesting because of what Xander said...unless they make a Team Sky who wants to capture Rayquaza...rule the skies and you rule the world...

wombateiro June 13th, 2012 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7213310)
A Lava cave isn't Hoenn's signature environment.

This is arguable because even though there are volcanoes in other regions, flowing magma inside of the cave is something shown only in Hoenn (and in Unova, as we know now) There is some flowing magma only outside Stark Mountain in Sinnoh as well, but not inside the cave.

Having two alternate caves in two versions, one water based and another magma based is another Hoenn-ish element put into gen 5, increasing possibility of R/S remakes in gen 5.

MiTjA June 14th, 2012 1:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7213710)
This is arguable because even though there are volcanoes in other regions, flowing magma inside of the cave is something shown only in Hoenn (and in Unova, as we know now) There is some flowing magma only outside Stark Mountain in Sinnoh as well, but not inside the cave.

Having two alternate caves in two versions, one water based and another magma based is another Hoenn-ish element put into gen 5, increasing possibility of R/S remakes in gen 5.

"Lets put the lava only outside Stark Mountain, so we can use it as an obvious hint for RS remakes in the future by leaving it a Hoenn-ish element"
No.

May I ask what other Hoenn-ish elements in BW2 you are talking about?

And how does putting Hoenn-ish stuff in BW2 increase the possibility of RS remakes? I could argue it lowers it.

KingSchmoe June 14th, 2012 3:19 AM

As true as all of these points are, they could just be references to the earlier generations. There are probably references to the other generations as well. I haven't played any gen after 3, so I wouldn't know. Try to look for some!

Also, your speculation on the Elite 4 and the Bird-Type Pokemon seems a bit forced.

rocky505 June 14th, 2012 4:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7213814)
"Lets put the lava only outside Stark Mountain, so we can use it as an obvious hint for RS remakes in the future by leaving it a Hoenn-ish element"
No.

May I ask what other Hoenn-ish elements in BW2 you are talking about?

And how does putting Hoenn-ish stuff in BW2 increase the possibility of RS remakes? I could argue it lowers it.

But how do you know they won't add more hints in b2w2. Platinum added hints to hgss like the gold and silver poke ball on the Pokemon center floor.

PokeAwesome94 June 14th, 2012 5:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Trainer Timothy
However, I would find it rather redundant as Hoeen incorporates almost all of the advanced aspects of the new generations. Ie, Type differences, EV training; stuff like that.

I would buy it if it was released, but I wouldn't be sad if it was never made.

I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Suicune™
Groudon and Kyogre wouldn't fit into Black & White's plot.. they have no relation and really, I doubt it's something Nintendo would do

You're right, it isn't anything Nintendo would do since it's Game Freak that makes the main series Pokémon games

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7213310)
A Lava cave isn't Hoenn's signature environment. They had volcanoes in Kanto, Sinnoh, and Johto as well. Now there is one in Unova. Hoenn doesn't stake claim to Magma/:ava and Hoenn itself has not been rendered with Gen 5 Graphics.

I don't remember any volcano in Johto and I count Kanto and Sevii Islands as two separate regions, which they are.

Sydian June 14th, 2012 8:35 AM

Wow. lol It's funny how people are just grabbing at things and clinging to them as if they're major hints. Ever think it's a coincidence or that Game Freak just wants to troll us? Or that it legitimately has nothing to do with RS remakes? Isn't trolling what they love to do anyway? I wouldn't be surprised if they were reading this thread right now and laughing at all of us.

wombateiro June 14th, 2012 8:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7214076)
Wow. lol It's funny how people are just grabbing at things and clinging to them as if they're major hints. Ever think it's a coincidence or that Game Freak just wants to troll us? Or that it legitimately has nothing to do with RS remakes? Isn't trolling what they love to do anyway? I wouldn't be surprised if they were reading this thread right now and laughing at all of us.

Maybe it's true, just like with Gray version. However, some speculations about Gray did come true with Kyurem being mascot and having something to do with Zekrom and Reshiram to change forms. Also speculation about expansion of Unova did come true too. So we weren't trolled completely, in fact we were positively surprised about sequels. Speculations about R/S remakes hints may also be right.


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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7213814)

May I ask what other Hoenn-ish elements in BW2 you are talking about?

And how does putting Hoenn-ish stuff in BW2 increase the possibility of RS remakes? I could argue it lowers it.

You should read previous pages to get answers. But there is summary:
Other Hoenn-ish elements appearing only in gen 5 are desert, dive system, different music for Gym Leaders and Elite 4. We know that in B2/W2, there is tropical beach town and cave which is water or magma based depending on version. Who knows what more will be in B2/W2.

All those things seem like being put into gen 5 to be reused in R/S remakes, maybe with small design changes.

MiTjA June 15th, 2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7214081)
Maybe it's true, just like with Gray version. However, some speculations about Gray did come true with Kyurem being mascot and having something to do with Zekrom and Reshiram to change forms. Also speculation about expansion of Unova did come true too. So we weren't trolled completely, in fact we were positively surprised about sequels. Speculations about R/S remakes hints may also be right.

We knew Kyurem would be a mascot because it exists. Thats no hint, thats utterly self-evident. We saw Unova was half-developed, so of course you could speculate that they would use Unova again to finish it (especially with all those construction yards everywhere..).

The RS hints are not RS hints. They dont directly relate to RS. Regardless whether there will be RS remakes or not, areas being used for BW2 are used for BW2 so you can experience them in BW2.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7214081)
You should read previous pages to get answers. But there is summary:
Other Hoenn-ish elements appearing only in gen 5 are desert, dive system, different music for Gym Leaders and Elite 4. We know that in B2/W2, there is tropical beach town and cave which is water or magma based depending on version. Who knows what more will be in B2/W2.

All those things seem like being put into gen 5 to be reused in R/S remakes, maybe with small design changes.

There was a desert in the Resort area or whatever its called in DPt, but WHO CARES, its a freaking desert and doesnt mean ANYTHING. Its a desert.

Same for the tropical beach. If you make a tropical region, you will put a tropical beach somewhere. Its not like they would not have put a beach in Unova unless RS remakes were imminent.
Choosing to add a beach and making RS remakes are 2 seperate 100% unrelated processes.

Dive returning was simply a matter of time. They could have left it out and reintroduced it in generation XXVI if that was when they came up with an interesting use for it like the underwater ruins.

Not sure what you mean with the music, theres always been different music wasnt there? <.<

The magma and water caves are the only thing until now that might really be used with the intention to remind you of RS, but we cannot be sure of that as it might as well just foreshadow that Groudon/Kyogre will be catchable again or who knows what.... seriously, the caves will be in BW2. Meaning something will be in them. They will have a point.
They wont be just empty caves standing there to make you want a remake.

wombateiro June 15th, 2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215136)
We knew Kyurem would be a mascot because it exists.Thats no hint, thats utterly self-evident.

That's why I told we weren't completely trolled by Game Freak because Kyurem was the most expected mascot. If they would like to troll us, they would choose other Pokemon for mascot.


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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215136)
The RS hints are not RS hints. They dont directly relate to RS. Regardless whether there will be RS remakes or not, areas being used for BW2 are used for BW2 so you can experience them in BW2.

D/P/Pt had hints for G/S remakes. Some people were ridiculing them just like they are ridiculing now hints for R/S remakes. But we know now that believing in those hints in D/P/Pt was right.


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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215136)
There was a desert in the Resort area or whatever its called in DPt, but WHO CARES, its a freaking desert and doesnt mean ANYTHING. Its a desert.

Same for the tropical beach. If you make a tropical region, you will put a tropical beach somewhere. Its not like they would not have put a beach in Unova unless RS remakes were imminent.
Choosing to add a beach and making RS remakes are 2 seperate 100% unrelated processes.

Dive returning was simply a matter of time. They could have left it out and reintroduced it in generation XXVI if that was when they came up with an interesting use for it like the underwater ruins.

Not sure what you mean with the music, theres always been different music wasnt there? <.<

The magma and water caves are the only thing until now that might really be used with the intention to remind you of RS, but we cannot be sure of that as it might as well just foreshadow that Groudon/Kyogre will be catchable again or who knows what.... seriously, the caves will be in BW2. Meaning something will be in them. They will have a point.
They wont be just empty caves standing there to make you want a remake.

No, music for Gym Leaders and E4 is completely different only in R/S/E and B/W. Also that desert in D/P/Pt is not the same kind of desert like in R/S/E and B/W because it doesn't have wild Pokemon appearing in sand. It has grass patches and trees, so it's not completely dry desert like in R/S/E and B/W.

It's true that putting Hoenn-ish elements in gen 5 doesn't 100% guarantee remakes, but it's promising that they brought those elements into generation in which R/S remakes are expected the most. Especially dive system, it has only a small role in post-game in B/W, I guess it will be used a bit more in B2/W2 and the most in R/S remakes.

MiTjA June 15th, 2012 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7215229)
D/P/Pt had hints for G/S remakes. Some people were ridiculing them just like they are ridiculing now hints for R/S remakes. But we know now that believing in those hints in D/P/Pt was right.

I knew HGSS was coming and was pointing it out for a long time before it was announced.
Besides, there was items from Johto, and people from Johto, the same timeline and even a news report about the red Gyarados.
Those were direct intentional hints.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7215229)
No, music for Gym Leaders and E4 is completely different only in R/S/E and B/W. Also that desert in D/P/Pt is not the same kind of desert like in R/S/E and B/W because it doesn't have wild Pokemon appearing in sand. It has grass patches and trees, so it's not completely dry desert like in R/S/E and B/W.

It's true that putting Hoenn-ish elements in gen 5 doesn't 100% guarantee remakes, but it's promising that they brought those elements into generation in which R/S remakes are expected the most. Especially dive system, it has only a small role in post-game in B/W, I guess it will be used a bit more in B2/W2 and the most in R/S remakes.

I can hear the gym leader and E4 music from DPt IN MY HEAD. They are different.

It doesnt even 1% guarantee remakes. It has nothing to do with it. Its an element they put in BW.

So they used a desert with no grass this time because of RS remakes.
It is not making sense.
The desert in DPt had a damn sandstorm, just as the one in Hoenn. Ive spent many hours in there chaining for shinies in the sandstorm, barely seeing anything. What was I chaining? Vibrava. What does it mean? NOTHING. Just like BW having a desert has ZERO relation to RS. Not related in any way whatsoever.

They put a desert in BW because they can. No person who put the desert in there was thinking anything about RS at any time during production.

blue June 16th, 2012 6:12 AM

There are just as many "hints" to support R/S remake as there were to support G/S remakes. FRLG had remixes of Violet City & Azalea town, DPPT has a remix of Lilycove City, DPPT had the Secret Potion an item exclusive to Johto, Black & White have the Shoal Salt & Shoal Shell, an item exclusive to Hoenn. What I'm saying is for those who are debunking these hints or references I'd say don't be too hasty, there were people who did similar things for the Gold & Silver remakes and they happened so it's still just as likely.

Oh and I wanted to add, I'm not classifying this as a hint but it's funny how many of the Hoenn Pokemon sprites have been remade to look like how they looked in RSE. (Left Ruby & Sapphire - Right Black & White)
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/334.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/334.png
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/277.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/277.png
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wombateiro June 16th, 2012 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215376)
I knew HGSS was coming and was pointing it out for a long time before it was announced.
Besides, there was items from Johto, and people from Johto, the same timeline and even a news report about the red Gyarados.
Those were direct intentional hints.

Shoal Salt and Shoal Shells were unobtainable in gen 4 and returned in B/W with no purpose at all (you can sell them, but that's not their original purpose). Probably they are obtainable in B/W to be traded to R/S remakes.
We still don't know about all references to Hoenn in B2/W2. It's very likely Shizui is from Hoenn, because he speaks using Kyushu dialect. Hoenn is based on Kyushu in Japan. Original B/W referred to Hoenn technically, B2/W2 might refer to Hoenn directly.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215376)
I can hear the gym leader and E4 music from DPt IN MY HEAD. They are different.

They are slightly different, but they are basically the same tracks. R/S/E and B/W tracks are totally different.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215376)
It doesnt even 1% guarantee remakes. It has nothing to do with it. Its an element they put in BW.

So they used a desert with no grass this time because of RS remakes.
It is not making sense.
The desert in DPt had a damn sandstorm, just as the one in Hoenn. Ive spent many hours in there chaining for shinies in the sandstorm, barely seeing anything. What was I chaining? Vibrava. What does it mean? NOTHING. Just like BW having a desert has ZERO relation to RS. Not related in any way whatsoever.
They put a desert in BW because they can. No person who put the desert in there was thinking anything about RS at any time during production.

How can you tell what were they thinking while making B/W? They brought back things from R/S/E into gen 5, the same like they brought back things from G/S/C into gen 4.

MiTjA June 16th, 2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7215937)
There are just as many "hints" to support R/S remake as there were to support G/S remakes. FRLG had remixes of Violet City & Azalea town, DPPT has a remix of Lilycove City, DPPT had the Secret Potion an item exclusive to Johto, Black & White have the Shoal Salt & Shoal Shell, an item exclusive to Hoenn. What I'm saying is for those who are debunking these hints or references I'd say don't be too hasty, there were people who did similar things for the Gold & Silver remakes and they happened so it's still just as likely.

Oh and I wanted to add, I'm not classifying this as a hint but it's funny how many of the Hoenn Pokemon sprites have been remade to look like how they looked in RSE. (Left Ruby & Sapphire - Right Black & White)

Shoal Salt and Shell. Now that's actually interesting.
Its not nearly as conclusive as the Secret Potion, which had a description saying its from Johto, along with actually being any use, but it is something.

But still. There are not just as many hints.

Look, I was saying GS remakes were bound to happen.
Now I'm saying RS remakes wont happen.
At least not in the same way as in the past (either sequels or a Johto like addition to Hoenn with both regions accessible), and definitely not in this generation with
BW2 being the last beathing thing for the DS.

Why did I think GS remakes would happen?
Apart from the DIRECT hints like
-A gym leader on visit: Jasmine
-A key item, Secret Potion, with description its from Johto
-An important event mentioned on TV: Red Gyarados
-which also further points out the SAME time as GS
But most of all... and if it wasnt for this I wouldnt be sure:
-DPt had the coding "From Johto(Gold)/From Johto(Silver)" for Pokemon encounter data.
That was essentially evidence, not just some hint.
This was the strongest argument. No one was saying we will get GS remakes because they put lakes into Sinnoh or something.

RS "hints" don't even compare to this
as all we got is
-Shoal Shell/Salt from daily item collector event with no possible use, or need for, as you get Shell Bell anyway.
-A water/magma themed cave, which we don't know what its there for yet.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7216001)
They are slightly different, but they are basically the same tracks. R/S/E and B/W tracks are totally different.

So since they "brought it back", what do you suppose? That RS remakes will come out for the DS??
If there is a gen 6 first, then this has no meaning since they brought it back in gen 5 already........

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7216001)
How can you tell what were they thinking while making B/W?

Touche?
*facepalm*

blue June 16th, 2012 11:19 AM

There may be less hints but that doesn't hinder the likelyhood of remakes, it's mainly for the money but anyway.. another little something that could contribute towards a remake would be this:
"Allows the player to catch wild Pokémon; works better on Pokémon encountered underwaterRSEBW"

This is the description for the Dive Ball, in BW Dive was re-introduced for no known reason however no Pokémon are available underwater so unless there are in B2W2 then they must have gone back to it's original function for some reason, right?

Xander Olivieri June 16th, 2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7216185)
There may be less hints but that doesn't hinder the likelyhood of remakes, it's mainly for the money but anyway.. another little something that could contribute towards a remake would be this:
"Allows the player to catch wild Pokémon; works better on Pokémon encountered underwaterRSEBW"

This is the description for the Dive Ball, in BW Dive was re-introduced for no known reason however no Pokémon are available underwater so unless there are in B2W2 then they must have gone back to it's original function for some reason, right?

Dive ball is listed in two different areas on Bulbapedia that both say 2 different things.

Its effect is the same as it is in D/P/Pt/FR/LG. Any Pokemon caught while surfing or Fishing gets the bonus to catch rate. The 3.5x boost works while Fishing and Surfing in B/W.

The description is almost a carbon copy of what D/P/Pt/HG/SS's.

A somewhat different Poké Ball that works especially well on Pokémon that live in the sea.
A somewhat different Poké Ball that works especially well on Pokémon that live underwater.

Even while surfing on the surface, the Pokemon you battle live underwater. Same with Fishing.

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Originally Posted by Bulbapedia Catch Rate
Dive Ball | 1× or 3.5× | 3.5× only if divingRSE or surfing/fishingFRLGDPPtHGSSBW
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Catch_rate#Pok.C3.A9_Ball_effectiveness_rates

Those are the current mechanics for the Pokeballs in B/W.

wombateiro June 16th, 2012 1:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7216168)
Shoal Salt and Shell. Now that's actually interesting.
Its not nearly as conclusive as the Secret Potion, which had a description saying its from Johto, along with actually being any use, but it is something.

But still. There are not just as many hints.

Look, I was saying GS remakes were bound to happen.
Now I'm saying RS remakes wont happen.
At least not in the same way as in the past (either sequels or a Johto like addition to Hoenn with both regions accessible), and definitely not in this generation with
BW2 being the last beathing thing for the DS.

Why did I think GS remakes would happen?
Apart from the DIRECT hints like
-A gym leader on visit: Jasmine
-A key item, Secret Potion, with description its from Johto
-An important event mentioned on TV: Red Gyarados
-which also further points out the SAME time as GS
But most of all... and if it wasnt for this I wouldnt be sure:
-DPt had the coding "From Johto(Gold)/From Johto(Silver)" for Pokemon encounter data.
That was essentially evidence, not just some hint.
This was the strongest argument. No one was saying we will get GS remakes because they put lakes into Sinnoh or something.

RS "hints" don't even compare to this
as all we got is
-Shoal Shell/Salt from daily item collector event with no possible use, or need for, as you get Shell Bell anyway.
-A water/magma themed cave, which we don't know what its there for yet.

True that hints for G/S remakes were more solid than for R/S remakes, but the fact that we have something to base on can mean that those remakes will be done. Original R/S had actually no hints for Red/Green remakes in gen 3. It could be predicted that Red/Green will be remade looking how they blocked trading, but in R/S there was actually no hints for Red/Green remakes. The only clearly similar thing between gens 1 and 3 was music in S.S. Anne and Oceanic Museum.



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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7216168)
So since they "brought it back", what do you suppose? That RS remakes will come out for the DS??
If there is a gen 6 first, then this has no meaning since they brought it back in gen 5 already........

Well, it's interesting that using totally different music for Leaders and E4 was skipped in gen 4 and returned in gen 5, just in time when R/S remakes are expected. The same goes for dive system.
There's one more thing about E4 music in B/W. I guess you won't accept it as a hint but part from 1:18 to 1:28 is remixed part of R/S/E music for E4. It's similar like Canalave City music in D/P/Pt is remix of G/S/C ending music, if you listen carefully. Game Freak seems to like remixing tracks of generations they plan to remake.

rocky505 June 16th, 2012 1:45 PM

RG and RS also both had the first gym you visit unbattleable as well as a forest after the city with that gym.

Xander Olivieri June 16th, 2012 1:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7216295)
RG and RS also both had the first gym you visit unbattleable as well as a forest after the city with that gym.

R/G the Gym skipped was owned by the Bad Guy team and was the Final Gym.

R/S the Gym skipped was owned by your father who refused to challenge you until you received 4 Badges before him and is the 5th Gym.

That's more a coincidence than a relation since the two scenarios are different.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 16th, 2012 9:54 PM

^ I agree that's not really a hint...besides in BW you didn't skip past the first gym so there isn't really a pattern there...
My hopes for RS remakes are almost as low now as they were for GS remakes before they finally came out...we need more solid hints like Iris getting a Treeko...

P0kelegend June 16th, 2012 10:55 PM

I'm looking forward for B2W2 to be released to see if there are more hints to R/S remakes.

rocky505 June 16th, 2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7216682)
^ I agree that's not really a hint...besides in BW you didn't skip past the first gym so there isn't really a pattern there...
My hopes for RS remakes are almost as low now as they were for GS remakes before they finally came out...we need more solid hints like Iris getting a Treeko...

I said nothing about it being a hint for rs remakes or that it was in bw.

wombateiro June 17th, 2012 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7216682)
My hopes for RS remakes are almost as low now as they were for GS remakes before they finally came out...we need more solid hints like Iris getting a Treeko...

You mean Iris in anime, right? Well, in anime Dawn reappeared after journey in Hoenn, the same like May reappeared in gen 4 anime after journey in Johto. So anime should refer to Hoenn in this season. Assuming that Shizui is from Hoenn, he might refer to Hoenn too, maybe even know someone who gives Hoenn starters. Ash has only one Hoenn starter now, so he might get another in this season.

MiTjA June 17th, 2012 11:10 AM

I ask again

Do you seriously think they will make another set of games for the DS?

Or do you think they would start a new generation with remakes?

Xander Olivieri June 17th, 2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7217236)
You mean Iris in anime, right? Well, in anime Dawn reappeared after journey in Hoenn, the same like May reappeared in gen 4 anime after journey in Johto. So anime should refer to Hoenn in this season. Assuming that Shizui is from Hoenn, he might refer to Hoenn too, maybe even know someone who gives Hoenn starters. Ash has only one Hoenn starter now, so he might get another in this season.

You're walking a tight-rope with relying on one character. They say he has a "Hoenn" dialect, but dialect and accents can be inherited through multiple generations. His family could have been from there but there is nothing to say that Shizui himself has ever been there. Gamefreak can still completely ignore that little fact. (I also haven't seen any source that says he has the "Hoenn" dialect/Accent.)

Look how they Rocket guy spoke in G/S/C/HG/SS. It didn't change when we found him in Unova and he's supposed to be from Unova.

As for Anime reference, May had finished her tour in Johto and moved to Sinnoh cause that was the next area that was holding contests, not to mention the Wallace Cup was being held in Sinnoh.

Going with "So and So Trainer will have So and So Pokemon" is also grasping at straws. Its not solid enough. We'd need an active Hoenn specific Character to appear in B2W2 outside of the extra features. That is a solid clue.

wombateiro June 17th, 2012 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7217298)
(I also haven't seen any source that says he has the "Hoenn" dialect/Accent.)

It's said on Bulbapedia. I don't think it's rumor because if somebody knows Japanese, I think it can be seen in trailers what dialect he speaks.

Well I know those things in anime aren't solid hints, they might even not happen, I just think it's possible that Hoenn references might be appearing in this anime season, to promote Hoenn, like they were promoting Johto in gen 4 seasons.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7217268)
I ask again

Do you seriously think they will make another set of games for the DS?

Or do you think they would start a new generation with remakes?

If they release remakes in this year November, they might be on DS. They released B2/W2 for DS despite of most people being so sure for 3DS game, so DS release is still possible.

But if they would make remakes for 3DS, it doesn't mean it has to be new generation. To promote 3DS and keep gen 5 they can still use gen 5 engine, reprogrammed and improved for 3DS. And then gen 6 would use totally new engine, using full potential of 3DS. Something like they did with DS games - gen 4 uses only partially potential of DS, gen 5 uses it fully.

Skara June 17th, 2012 1:24 PM

Summary of this thread:
DER R FIRE POKERMAN IN BW2 HOEN REMAKES IS COMIN

My opinion:
Remakes are coming in Gen VI, there are no hints, go away.

blue June 17th, 2012 2:52 PM

I'm pretty sure Hoenn will make a re-appearence in some game, whether that be a remake or not I don't know but what I do know is by the end of 2012 Unova games will be done, I highly doubt they will make a third game of B2W2 because that's just too much Unova. That leaves the whole of 2013 open for new games so unless they plan on bringing Generation VI early then I'd expect to see a return from Hoenn in 2013 and if not, well then tied in with the sixth generation some time. Oh and I'd assume they would be on 3DS considering it would have been two years since it's release in 2013.

Xander Olivieri June 17th, 2012 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7217379)
Well I know those things in anime aren't solid hints, they might even not happen, I just think it's possible that Hoenn references might be appearing in this anime season, to promote Hoenn, like they were promoting Johto in gen 4 seasons.

The only thing that was added to the Anime to Promote the remakes of Johto was Lyra appearing. So unless May or Brendan show up or a character that replaces them, that's pretty much a dead end for Anime support.

MrGriszell June 18th, 2012 2:35 AM

I think the question im asking myself now is do i really want a remake now. If one were to look at BW type of story( deeper story compare to other pokemon games IMO) and if the theme to BW2 is complementing than we can speculate that the Story will be equally on the same level if not higher. Now look at RS story line while pretty cool its not on the same level as BW. In order for that to happen they need to tweak the story line, such as adding more gym leader presence in the main story.
Now one of the arguments for a RS remake is that you cant easily get hoenn pokemon in BW. First off its true but not impossible i was actually able to complete my national pokedex in my copy of white, of course it did take me 400 Hours on white, 220 hours on my heart gold and around 20-30 on my Sapphire soul silver and platinum.
But i think if it was released next gen it would make it easier if they plan to do a 4th gen remake.
Look at this

2013 R/S remake 2013 N/A 2013 Gen 6
2014 gen 6 2014 Gen 6 2014 N/A
2015 N/A 2015 N/A 2015 3rd version
2016 3rd version 2016 3rd version 2016 rs remake
2017 4th gen remake ? 2017rs remake 2017 Gen 7

See if we save the rs remake to gen 6 then it will really be warrented. And if they are gonna keep the pattern would you rather a Gen 4 remake in 2017 or wait for it in gen 7 in 2020 or 2022. By the way if there is a gen 7 i will be middle aged man playing pokemon( and proud of it lol)

MiTjA June 18th, 2012 9:12 AM

If something happens twice (like remakes in the past 2 generations) its not a pattern.
Not to mention the first 2 were between RS and E, while HGSS were after DPPt, so its not even consistent with the 2 examples we have. And now that they introduced sequels, that might just blow remakes out the window for future games anyway.

Xander Olivieri June 18th, 2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7218291)
If something happens twice (like remakes in the past 2 generations) its not a pattern.
Not to mention the first 2 were between RS and E, while HGSS were after DPPt, so its not even consistent with the 2 examples we have. And now that they introduced sequels, that might just blow remakes out the window for future games anyway.

There is one pattern that doesn't use the other games involved.

Red/Blue/Green = Gameboy
Gold/Silver/Crystal = Gameboy Color (classified as a different system than a Gameboy)
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald = Gameboy Advance = Fire Red/Leaf Green (Remakes skipped Gameboy Color)
Diamond/Pearl/Platinum = Nintendo DS = Heart Gold/Soul Silver (remakes skiped Gameboy Advance)
Generation 6 Game = 3DS = Ruby/Sapphire Remakes (possible but no other support, just going by the pattern presented.)

So each remake skips to the System that is one after the one released after their making. Since Ruby/Sapphire was for the Gameboy Advance, they'd skip the Nintendo DS since that was made after the GBA and would be released for the 3DS.

Its not an official one, just something unproven to be false or accurate as we'd need the R/S remakes to confirm or deny this possibility.

MrGriszell June 18th, 2012 1:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7218291)
If something happens twice (like remakes in the past 2 generations) its not a pattern.
Not to mention the first 2 were between RS and E, while HGSS were after DPPt, so its not even consistent with the 2 examples we have. And now that they introduced sequels, that might just blow remakes out the window for future games anyway.

True but when you look at the fact pokemon has had only 5 generations and that obviously remakes weren't needed for the first two and that gen 5 isn't actually over yet it could be plausible that it is a pattern. Of I'd agree with Xander I believe about the platform skip, but if you think about it this is the first time 2 generations has been on the same platform so you never now. I would love for them to do a remake but I'm starting to believe that its not coming this gen. Epaecially with the expedited release with BW2 in Japan and the US maybe there gonna take us to gen 6 in fall 2013 . If you think about it let's say gen 6 has it's native Pokemon mixed in with gen 5 pokemon with a splash of kanto pokemkon, that would make Hoenn more unique since we wouldn't be able to catch those Pokemon in the new region as opposed to all the Hoenn pokemon we can catch in east unova now and who knows what we can catch in BW2

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 18th, 2012 3:32 PM

I guess I can handle it being in Gen VI which interestingly enough is 2 * 3 like how HgSs was 2*2...though Kanto breaks this but than again it was in GS itself... 2*1...
Will that mean DPPt in gen VIII? and BWB2W2 in gen X...I kind of hope not xD

MrGriszell June 18th, 2012 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7218653)
I guess I can handle it being in Gen VI which interestingly enough is 2 * 3 like how HgSs was 2*2...though Kanto breaks this but than again it was in GS itself... 2*1...
Will that mean DPPt in gen VIII? and BWB2W2 in gen X...I kind of hope not xD

Lol don't wory seeing how gen x won't be around till 2030 it will be like new lol

wombateiro June 18th, 2012 10:42 PM

It's not certain if they'll continue making those games that long... try to imagine gen 10 Pokemon. What they would be based on?

There is one interesting issue about remakes in gen 5. After B2/W2 release, there is one Pokemon left to be revealed - Genesect. Two other Pokemon last in their gens' Pokedexes - Deoxys and Arceus were revealed in the time to have something to do with remakes. Dexoys was originally catchable in FR/LG. Arceus was revealed before HG/SS and had event in those games.

So why Game Freak created in gen 5 one Pokemon to be left after B2/W2?

Xander Olivieri June 19th, 2012 5:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7219121)
It's not certain if they'll continue making those games that long... try to imagine gen 10 Pokemon. What they would be based on?

There is one interesting issue about remakes in gen 5. After B2/W2 release, there is one Pokemon left to be revealed - Genesect. Two other Pokemon last in their gens' Pokedexes - Deoxys and Arceus were revealed in the time to have something to do with remakes. Dexoys was originally catchable in FR/LG. Arceus was revealed before HG/SS and had event in those games.

So why Game Freak created in gen 5 one Pokemon to be left after B2/W2?

He's in B2W2's Pokedex to be released Next Month/August. So he's gunna be released this Summer. Arceus didn't appear in the Pokedex book until he was released so since Genesect is in the book he'll be released for B2W2 soon.


(Meloetta is Number 299 in the Pokedex and we KNOW there are 300 in this one. Only 1 Pokemon comes after her and that's Genesect.)

iArtemis June 19th, 2012 5:17 AM

I would definetly buy it. Love and miss those games. Somehow no current version can match up to them.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 19th, 2012 6:55 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7219361)
He's in B2W2's Pokedex to be released Next Month/August. So he's gunna be released this Summer. Arceus didn't appear in the Pokedex book until he was released so since Genesect is in the book he'll be released for B2W2 soon.


(Meloetta is Number 299 in the Pokedex and we KNOW there are 300 in this one. Only 1 Pokemon comes after her and that's Genesect.)

We aren't sure if they'll releasing it properly though, it may simply be to get all the Pokemon in one guide for the final B2W2 games (I beleive either Pokebeach or Jungle theorized this idea) and they'll officially release it at some other time in the future.

wombateiro June 19th, 2012 12:30 PM

Well, if Genesect is going to be in official guide, it might be revealed officially.

They never revealed any Pokemon after last main game of each generation. If they saved Genesect to be revealed after B2/W2, it might mean B2/W2 won't be last main games in gen 5, meaning R/S remakes might be last games in gen 5.

Interesting thing is that by the time of R/S 10th anniversary, everything of 5 gen seems going to be released ("third versions" and most likely all Pokemon, including Genesect). Could it mean they really want to release remakes on 10th anniversary?

Xander Olivieri June 19th, 2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7219785)
Well, if Genesect is going to be in official guide, it might be revealed officially.

They never revealed any Pokemon after last main game of each generation. If they saved Genesect to be revealed after B2/W2, it might mean B2/W2 won't be last main games in gen 5, meaning R/S remakes might be last games in gen 5.

Interesting thing is that by the time of R/S 10th anniversary, everything of 5 gen seems going to be released ("third versions" and most likely all Pokemon, including Genesect). Could it mean they really want to release remakes on 10th anniversary?

The Pokedex releases in a month or so >> Genesect will be released around then most likely so that doesn't have anything to do with Remakes. The 10th anniversary is already creeping up and since we haven't heard anything before B2W2 I don't think we are getting remakes this year so the 10 year anniversary thing seems to have been broken.

I still think its gunna come out next year if we are getting it.

Skara June 19th, 2012 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7219361)
He's in B2W2's Pokedex to be released Next Month/August. So he's gunna be released this Summer. Arceus didn't appear in the Pokedex book until he was released so since Genesect is in the book he'll be released for B2W2 soon.


(Meloetta is Number 299 in the Pokedex and we KNOW there are 300 in this one. Only 1 Pokemon comes after her and that's Genesect.)

No. I used a cheat to see Keldeo in my White playthrough, the guy is in the main PokeDex. I'm sure if you get Jirachi and Deoxys at the start of RSE they'll be in the PokeDex.

Why would they release RSE remakes on DS? That'd be a stupid move for Game Freak.
Am I the only one who thinks logically here?
Masuda said that he ran into problems with Black/White because of the DS game engine so there's no way he'd use Gen VI's engine to develop a remake in Gen V.
Also, compatibility issues. Using Gen VI's engine, they wouldn't be able to communicate with BW and BW2 in the same way, and there's no way they'd do it on DS because of HeartGold and SoulSilver 2 years ago.

Now, if you somehow need more reasons why this isn't happening until 2015 instead of the 10th anniversary...

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7219785)
Well, if Genesect is going to be in official guide, it might be revealed officially.

They never revealed any Pokemon after last main game of each generation. If they saved Genesect to be revealed after B2/W2, it might mean B2/W2 won't be last main games in gen 5, meaning R/S remakes might be last games in gen 5.

Interesting thing is that by the time of R/S 10th anniversary, everything of 5 gen seems going to be released ("third versions" and most likely all Pokemon, including Genesect). Could it mean they really want to release remakes on 10th anniversary?

GO AWAY. There's absolutely no way Game Freak will release another main series game 5 months after the last one. If you think that's plausible, you need to be locked away.

RS remakes will come in 2015 two years after the Gen VI primary pair.

Sydian June 19th, 2012 2:49 PM

I have had enough of this thread. Done. Don't start a new one.

Locked.


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