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wombateiro June 15th, 2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215136)
We knew Kyurem would be a mascot because it exists.Thats no hint, thats utterly self-evident.

That's why I told we weren't completely trolled by Game Freak because Kyurem was the most expected mascot. If they would like to troll us, they would choose other Pokemon for mascot.


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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215136)
The RS hints are not RS hints. They dont directly relate to RS. Regardless whether there will be RS remakes or not, areas being used for BW2 are used for BW2 so you can experience them in BW2.

D/P/Pt had hints for G/S remakes. Some people were ridiculing them just like they are ridiculing now hints for R/S remakes. But we know now that believing in those hints in D/P/Pt was right.


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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215136)
There was a desert in the Resort area or whatever its called in DPt, but WHO CARES, its a freaking desert and doesnt mean ANYTHING. Its a desert.

Same for the tropical beach. If you make a tropical region, you will put a tropical beach somewhere. Its not like they would not have put a beach in Unova unless RS remakes were imminent.
Choosing to add a beach and making RS remakes are 2 seperate 100% unrelated processes.

Dive returning was simply a matter of time. They could have left it out and reintroduced it in generation XXVI if that was when they came up with an interesting use for it like the underwater ruins.

Not sure what you mean with the music, theres always been different music wasnt there? <.<

The magma and water caves are the only thing until now that might really be used with the intention to remind you of RS, but we cannot be sure of that as it might as well just foreshadow that Groudon/Kyogre will be catchable again or who knows what.... seriously, the caves will be in BW2. Meaning something will be in them. They will have a point.
They wont be just empty caves standing there to make you want a remake.

No, music for Gym Leaders and E4 is completely different only in R/S/E and B/W. Also that desert in D/P/Pt is not the same kind of desert like in R/S/E and B/W because it doesn't have wild Pokemon appearing in sand. It has grass patches and trees, so it's not completely dry desert like in R/S/E and B/W.

It's true that putting Hoenn-ish elements in gen 5 doesn't 100% guarantee remakes, but it's promising that they brought those elements into generation in which R/S remakes are expected the most. Especially dive system, it has only a small role in post-game in B/W, I guess it will be used a bit more in B2/W2 and the most in R/S remakes.

MiTjA June 15th, 2012 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7215229)
D/P/Pt had hints for G/S remakes. Some people were ridiculing them just like they are ridiculing now hints for R/S remakes. But we know now that believing in those hints in D/P/Pt was right.

I knew HGSS was coming and was pointing it out for a long time before it was announced.
Besides, there was items from Johto, and people from Johto, the same timeline and even a news report about the red Gyarados.
Those were direct intentional hints.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7215229)
No, music for Gym Leaders and E4 is completely different only in R/S/E and B/W. Also that desert in D/P/Pt is not the same kind of desert like in R/S/E and B/W because it doesn't have wild Pokemon appearing in sand. It has grass patches and trees, so it's not completely dry desert like in R/S/E and B/W.

It's true that putting Hoenn-ish elements in gen 5 doesn't 100% guarantee remakes, but it's promising that they brought those elements into generation in which R/S remakes are expected the most. Especially dive system, it has only a small role in post-game in B/W, I guess it will be used a bit more in B2/W2 and the most in R/S remakes.

I can hear the gym leader and E4 music from DPt IN MY HEAD. They are different.

It doesnt even 1% guarantee remakes. It has nothing to do with it. Its an element they put in BW.

So they used a desert with no grass this time because of RS remakes.
It is not making sense.
The desert in DPt had a damn sandstorm, just as the one in Hoenn. Ive spent many hours in there chaining for shinies in the sandstorm, barely seeing anything. What was I chaining? Vibrava. What does it mean? NOTHING. Just like BW having a desert has ZERO relation to RS. Not related in any way whatsoever.

They put a desert in BW because they can. No person who put the desert in there was thinking anything about RS at any time during production.

blue June 16th, 2012 6:12 AM

There are just as many "hints" to support R/S remake as there were to support G/S remakes. FRLG had remixes of Violet City & Azalea town, DPPT has a remix of Lilycove City, DPPT had the Secret Potion an item exclusive to Johto, Black & White have the Shoal Salt & Shoal Shell, an item exclusive to Hoenn. What I'm saying is for those who are debunking these hints or references I'd say don't be too hasty, there were people who did similar things for the Gold & Silver remakes and they happened so it's still just as likely.

Oh and I wanted to add, I'm not classifying this as a hint but it's funny how many of the Hoenn Pokemon sprites have been remade to look like how they looked in RSE. (Left Ruby & Sapphire - Right Black & White)
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/334.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/334.png
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/277.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/277.png
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/383.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/383.png
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/365.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/365.png
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/324.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/324.png

wombateiro June 16th, 2012 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215376)
I knew HGSS was coming and was pointing it out for a long time before it was announced.
Besides, there was items from Johto, and people from Johto, the same timeline and even a news report about the red Gyarados.
Those were direct intentional hints.

Shoal Salt and Shoal Shells were unobtainable in gen 4 and returned in B/W with no purpose at all (you can sell them, but that's not their original purpose). Probably they are obtainable in B/W to be traded to R/S remakes.
We still don't know about all references to Hoenn in B2/W2. It's very likely Shizui is from Hoenn, because he speaks using Kyushu dialect. Hoenn is based on Kyushu in Japan. Original B/W referred to Hoenn technically, B2/W2 might refer to Hoenn directly.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215376)
I can hear the gym leader and E4 music from DPt IN MY HEAD. They are different.

They are slightly different, but they are basically the same tracks. R/S/E and B/W tracks are totally different.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7215376)
It doesnt even 1% guarantee remakes. It has nothing to do with it. Its an element they put in BW.

So they used a desert with no grass this time because of RS remakes.
It is not making sense.
The desert in DPt had a damn sandstorm, just as the one in Hoenn. Ive spent many hours in there chaining for shinies in the sandstorm, barely seeing anything. What was I chaining? Vibrava. What does it mean? NOTHING. Just like BW having a desert has ZERO relation to RS. Not related in any way whatsoever.
They put a desert in BW because they can. No person who put the desert in there was thinking anything about RS at any time during production.

How can you tell what were they thinking while making B/W? They brought back things from R/S/E into gen 5, the same like they brought back things from G/S/C into gen 4.

MiTjA June 16th, 2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7215937)
There are just as many "hints" to support R/S remake as there were to support G/S remakes. FRLG had remixes of Violet City & Azalea town, DPPT has a remix of Lilycove City, DPPT had the Secret Potion an item exclusive to Johto, Black & White have the Shoal Salt & Shoal Shell, an item exclusive to Hoenn. What I'm saying is for those who are debunking these hints or references I'd say don't be too hasty, there were people who did similar things for the Gold & Silver remakes and they happened so it's still just as likely.

Oh and I wanted to add, I'm not classifying this as a hint but it's funny how many of the Hoenn Pokemon sprites have been remade to look like how they looked in RSE. (Left Ruby & Sapphire - Right Black & White)

Shoal Salt and Shell. Now that's actually interesting.
Its not nearly as conclusive as the Secret Potion, which had a description saying its from Johto, along with actually being any use, but it is something.

But still. There are not just as many hints.

Look, I was saying GS remakes were bound to happen.
Now I'm saying RS remakes wont happen.
At least not in the same way as in the past (either sequels or a Johto like addition to Hoenn with both regions accessible), and definitely not in this generation with
BW2 being the last beathing thing for the DS.

Why did I think GS remakes would happen?
Apart from the DIRECT hints like
-A gym leader on visit: Jasmine
-A key item, Secret Potion, with description its from Johto
-An important event mentioned on TV: Red Gyarados
-which also further points out the SAME time as GS
But most of all... and if it wasnt for this I wouldnt be sure:
-DPt had the coding "From Johto(Gold)/From Johto(Silver)" for Pokemon encounter data.
That was essentially evidence, not just some hint.
This was the strongest argument. No one was saying we will get GS remakes because they put lakes into Sinnoh or something.

RS "hints" don't even compare to this
as all we got is
-Shoal Shell/Salt from daily item collector event with no possible use, or need for, as you get Shell Bell anyway.
-A water/magma themed cave, which we don't know what its there for yet.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7216001)
They are slightly different, but they are basically the same tracks. R/S/E and B/W tracks are totally different.

So since they "brought it back", what do you suppose? That RS remakes will come out for the DS??
If there is a gen 6 first, then this has no meaning since they brought it back in gen 5 already........

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7216001)
How can you tell what were they thinking while making B/W?

Touche?
*facepalm*

blue June 16th, 2012 11:19 AM

There may be less hints but that doesn't hinder the likelyhood of remakes, it's mainly for the money but anyway.. another little something that could contribute towards a remake would be this:
"Allows the player to catch wild Pokémon; works better on Pokémon encountered underwaterRSEBW"

This is the description for the Dive Ball, in BW Dive was re-introduced for no known reason however no Pokémon are available underwater so unless there are in B2W2 then they must have gone back to it's original function for some reason, right?

Xander Olivieri June 16th, 2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7216185)
There may be less hints but that doesn't hinder the likelyhood of remakes, it's mainly for the money but anyway.. another little something that could contribute towards a remake would be this:
"Allows the player to catch wild Pokémon; works better on Pokémon encountered underwaterRSEBW"

This is the description for the Dive Ball, in BW Dive was re-introduced for no known reason however no Pokémon are available underwater so unless there are in B2W2 then they must have gone back to it's original function for some reason, right?

Dive ball is listed in two different areas on Bulbapedia that both say 2 different things.

Its effect is the same as it is in D/P/Pt/FR/LG. Any Pokemon caught while surfing or Fishing gets the bonus to catch rate. The 3.5x boost works while Fishing and Surfing in B/W.

The description is almost a carbon copy of what D/P/Pt/HG/SS's.

A somewhat different Poké Ball that works especially well on Pokémon that live in the sea.
A somewhat different Poké Ball that works especially well on Pokémon that live underwater.

Even while surfing on the surface, the Pokemon you battle live underwater. Same with Fishing.

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Originally Posted by Bulbapedia Catch Rate
Dive Ball | 1× or 3.5× | 3.5× only if divingRSE or surfing/fishingFRLGDPPtHGSSBW
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Catch_rate#Pok.C3.A9_Ball_effectiveness_rates

Those are the current mechanics for the Pokeballs in B/W.

wombateiro June 16th, 2012 1:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7216168)
Shoal Salt and Shell. Now that's actually interesting.
Its not nearly as conclusive as the Secret Potion, which had a description saying its from Johto, along with actually being any use, but it is something.

But still. There are not just as many hints.

Look, I was saying GS remakes were bound to happen.
Now I'm saying RS remakes wont happen.
At least not in the same way as in the past (either sequels or a Johto like addition to Hoenn with both regions accessible), and definitely not in this generation with
BW2 being the last beathing thing for the DS.

Why did I think GS remakes would happen?
Apart from the DIRECT hints like
-A gym leader on visit: Jasmine
-A key item, Secret Potion, with description its from Johto
-An important event mentioned on TV: Red Gyarados
-which also further points out the SAME time as GS
But most of all... and if it wasnt for this I wouldnt be sure:
-DPt had the coding "From Johto(Gold)/From Johto(Silver)" for Pokemon encounter data.
That was essentially evidence, not just some hint.
This was the strongest argument. No one was saying we will get GS remakes because they put lakes into Sinnoh or something.

RS "hints" don't even compare to this
as all we got is
-Shoal Shell/Salt from daily item collector event with no possible use, or need for, as you get Shell Bell anyway.
-A water/magma themed cave, which we don't know what its there for yet.

True that hints for G/S remakes were more solid than for R/S remakes, but the fact that we have something to base on can mean that those remakes will be done. Original R/S had actually no hints for Red/Green remakes in gen 3. It could be predicted that Red/Green will be remade looking how they blocked trading, but in R/S there was actually no hints for Red/Green remakes. The only clearly similar thing between gens 1 and 3 was music in S.S. Anne and Oceanic Museum.



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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7216168)
So since they "brought it back", what do you suppose? That RS remakes will come out for the DS??
If there is a gen 6 first, then this has no meaning since they brought it back in gen 5 already........

Well, it's interesting that using totally different music for Leaders and E4 was skipped in gen 4 and returned in gen 5, just in time when R/S remakes are expected. The same goes for dive system.
There's one more thing about E4 music in B/W. I guess you won't accept it as a hint but part from 1:18 to 1:28 is remixed part of R/S/E music for E4. It's similar like Canalave City music in D/P/Pt is remix of G/S/C ending music, if you listen carefully. Game Freak seems to like remixing tracks of generations they plan to remake.

rocky505 June 16th, 2012 1:45 PM

RG and RS also both had the first gym you visit unbattleable as well as a forest after the city with that gym.

Xander Olivieri June 16th, 2012 1:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7216295)
RG and RS also both had the first gym you visit unbattleable as well as a forest after the city with that gym.

R/G the Gym skipped was owned by the Bad Guy team and was the Final Gym.

R/S the Gym skipped was owned by your father who refused to challenge you until you received 4 Badges before him and is the 5th Gym.

That's more a coincidence than a relation since the two scenarios are different.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 16th, 2012 9:54 PM

^ I agree that's not really a hint...besides in BW you didn't skip past the first gym so there isn't really a pattern there...
My hopes for RS remakes are almost as low now as they were for GS remakes before they finally came out...we need more solid hints like Iris getting a Treeko...

P0kelegend June 16th, 2012 10:55 PM

I'm looking forward for B2W2 to be released to see if there are more hints to R/S remakes.

rocky505 June 16th, 2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7216682)
^ I agree that's not really a hint...besides in BW you didn't skip past the first gym so there isn't really a pattern there...
My hopes for RS remakes are almost as low now as they were for GS remakes before they finally came out...we need more solid hints like Iris getting a Treeko...

I said nothing about it being a hint for rs remakes or that it was in bw.

wombateiro June 17th, 2012 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7216682)
My hopes for RS remakes are almost as low now as they were for GS remakes before they finally came out...we need more solid hints like Iris getting a Treeko...

You mean Iris in anime, right? Well, in anime Dawn reappeared after journey in Hoenn, the same like May reappeared in gen 4 anime after journey in Johto. So anime should refer to Hoenn in this season. Assuming that Shizui is from Hoenn, he might refer to Hoenn too, maybe even know someone who gives Hoenn starters. Ash has only one Hoenn starter now, so he might get another in this season.

MiTjA June 17th, 2012 11:10 AM

I ask again

Do you seriously think they will make another set of games for the DS?

Or do you think they would start a new generation with remakes?

Xander Olivieri June 17th, 2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7217236)
You mean Iris in anime, right? Well, in anime Dawn reappeared after journey in Hoenn, the same like May reappeared in gen 4 anime after journey in Johto. So anime should refer to Hoenn in this season. Assuming that Shizui is from Hoenn, he might refer to Hoenn too, maybe even know someone who gives Hoenn starters. Ash has only one Hoenn starter now, so he might get another in this season.

You're walking a tight-rope with relying on one character. They say he has a "Hoenn" dialect, but dialect and accents can be inherited through multiple generations. His family could have been from there but there is nothing to say that Shizui himself has ever been there. Gamefreak can still completely ignore that little fact. (I also haven't seen any source that says he has the "Hoenn" dialect/Accent.)

Look how they Rocket guy spoke in G/S/C/HG/SS. It didn't change when we found him in Unova and he's supposed to be from Unova.

As for Anime reference, May had finished her tour in Johto and moved to Sinnoh cause that was the next area that was holding contests, not to mention the Wallace Cup was being held in Sinnoh.

Going with "So and So Trainer will have So and So Pokemon" is also grasping at straws. Its not solid enough. We'd need an active Hoenn specific Character to appear in B2W2 outside of the extra features. That is a solid clue.

wombateiro June 17th, 2012 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7217298)
(I also haven't seen any source that says he has the "Hoenn" dialect/Accent.)

It's said on Bulbapedia. I don't think it's rumor because if somebody knows Japanese, I think it can be seen in trailers what dialect he speaks.

Well I know those things in anime aren't solid hints, they might even not happen, I just think it's possible that Hoenn references might be appearing in this anime season, to promote Hoenn, like they were promoting Johto in gen 4 seasons.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7217268)
I ask again

Do you seriously think they will make another set of games for the DS?

Or do you think they would start a new generation with remakes?

If they release remakes in this year November, they might be on DS. They released B2/W2 for DS despite of most people being so sure for 3DS game, so DS release is still possible.

But if they would make remakes for 3DS, it doesn't mean it has to be new generation. To promote 3DS and keep gen 5 they can still use gen 5 engine, reprogrammed and improved for 3DS. And then gen 6 would use totally new engine, using full potential of 3DS. Something like they did with DS games - gen 4 uses only partially potential of DS, gen 5 uses it fully.

Skara June 17th, 2012 1:24 PM

Summary of this thread:
DER R FIRE POKERMAN IN BW2 HOEN REMAKES IS COMIN

My opinion:
Remakes are coming in Gen VI, there are no hints, go away.

blue June 17th, 2012 2:52 PM

I'm pretty sure Hoenn will make a re-appearence in some game, whether that be a remake or not I don't know but what I do know is by the end of 2012 Unova games will be done, I highly doubt they will make a third game of B2W2 because that's just too much Unova. That leaves the whole of 2013 open for new games so unless they plan on bringing Generation VI early then I'd expect to see a return from Hoenn in 2013 and if not, well then tied in with the sixth generation some time. Oh and I'd assume they would be on 3DS considering it would have been two years since it's release in 2013.

Xander Olivieri June 17th, 2012 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7217379)
Well I know those things in anime aren't solid hints, they might even not happen, I just think it's possible that Hoenn references might be appearing in this anime season, to promote Hoenn, like they were promoting Johto in gen 4 seasons.

The only thing that was added to the Anime to Promote the remakes of Johto was Lyra appearing. So unless May or Brendan show up or a character that replaces them, that's pretty much a dead end for Anime support.

MrGriszell June 18th, 2012 2:35 AM

I think the question im asking myself now is do i really want a remake now. If one were to look at BW type of story( deeper story compare to other pokemon games IMO) and if the theme to BW2 is complementing than we can speculate that the Story will be equally on the same level if not higher. Now look at RS story line while pretty cool its not on the same level as BW. In order for that to happen they need to tweak the story line, such as adding more gym leader presence in the main story.
Now one of the arguments for a RS remake is that you cant easily get hoenn pokemon in BW. First off its true but not impossible i was actually able to complete my national pokedex in my copy of white, of course it did take me 400 Hours on white, 220 hours on my heart gold and around 20-30 on my Sapphire soul silver and platinum.
But i think if it was released next gen it would make it easier if they plan to do a 4th gen remake.
Look at this

2013 R/S remake 2013 N/A 2013 Gen 6
2014 gen 6 2014 Gen 6 2014 N/A
2015 N/A 2015 N/A 2015 3rd version
2016 3rd version 2016 3rd version 2016 rs remake
2017 4th gen remake ? 2017rs remake 2017 Gen 7

See if we save the rs remake to gen 6 then it will really be warrented. And if they are gonna keep the pattern would you rather a Gen 4 remake in 2017 or wait for it in gen 7 in 2020 or 2022. By the way if there is a gen 7 i will be middle aged man playing pokemon( and proud of it lol)

MiTjA June 18th, 2012 9:12 AM

If something happens twice (like remakes in the past 2 generations) its not a pattern.
Not to mention the first 2 were between RS and E, while HGSS were after DPPt, so its not even consistent with the 2 examples we have. And now that they introduced sequels, that might just blow remakes out the window for future games anyway.

Xander Olivieri June 18th, 2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7218291)
If something happens twice (like remakes in the past 2 generations) its not a pattern.
Not to mention the first 2 were between RS and E, while HGSS were after DPPt, so its not even consistent with the 2 examples we have. And now that they introduced sequels, that might just blow remakes out the window for future games anyway.

There is one pattern that doesn't use the other games involved.

Red/Blue/Green = Gameboy
Gold/Silver/Crystal = Gameboy Color (classified as a different system than a Gameboy)
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald = Gameboy Advance = Fire Red/Leaf Green (Remakes skipped Gameboy Color)
Diamond/Pearl/Platinum = Nintendo DS = Heart Gold/Soul Silver (remakes skiped Gameboy Advance)
Generation 6 Game = 3DS = Ruby/Sapphire Remakes (possible but no other support, just going by the pattern presented.)

So each remake skips to the System that is one after the one released after their making. Since Ruby/Sapphire was for the Gameboy Advance, they'd skip the Nintendo DS since that was made after the GBA and would be released for the 3DS.

Its not an official one, just something unproven to be false or accurate as we'd need the R/S remakes to confirm or deny this possibility.

MrGriszell June 18th, 2012 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7218291)
If something happens twice (like remakes in the past 2 generations) its not a pattern.
Not to mention the first 2 were between RS and E, while HGSS were after DPPt, so its not even consistent with the 2 examples we have. And now that they introduced sequels, that might just blow remakes out the window for future games anyway.

True but when you look at the fact pokemon has had only 5 generations and that obviously remakes weren't needed for the first two and that gen 5 isn't actually over yet it could be plausible that it is a pattern. Of I'd agree with Xander I believe about the platform skip, but if you think about it this is the first time 2 generations has been on the same platform so you never now. I would love for them to do a remake but I'm starting to believe that its not coming this gen. Epaecially with the expedited release with BW2 in Japan and the US maybe there gonna take us to gen 6 in fall 2013 . If you think about it let's say gen 6 has it's native Pokemon mixed in with gen 5 pokemon with a splash of kanto pokemkon, that would make Hoenn more unique since we wouldn't be able to catch those Pokemon in the new region as opposed to all the Hoenn pokemon we can catch in east unova now and who knows what we can catch in BW2

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 18th, 2012 3:32 PM

I guess I can handle it being in Gen VI which interestingly enough is 2 * 3 like how HgSs was 2*2...though Kanto breaks this but than again it was in GS itself... 2*1...
Will that mean DPPt in gen VIII? and BWB2W2 in gen X...I kind of hope not xD


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