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It's true that putting Hoenn-ish elements in gen 5 doesn't 100% guarantee remakes, but it's promising that they brought those elements into generation in which R/S remakes are expected the most. Especially dive system, it has only a small role in post-game in B/W, I guess it will be used a bit more in B2/W2 and the most in R/S remakes. |
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Besides, there was items from Johto, and people from Johto, the same timeline and even a news report about the red Gyarados. Those were direct intentional hints. Quote:
It doesnt even 1% guarantee remakes. It has nothing to do with it. Its an element they put in BW. So they used a desert with no grass this time because of RS remakes. It is not making sense. The desert in DPt had a damn sandstorm, just as the one in Hoenn. Ive spent many hours in there chaining for shinies in the sandstorm, barely seeing anything. What was I chaining? Vibrava. What does it mean? NOTHING. Just like BW having a desert has ZERO relation to RS. Not related in any way whatsoever. They put a desert in BW because they can. No person who put the desert in there was thinking anything about RS at any time during production. |
There are just as many "hints" to support R/S remake as there were to support G/S remakes. FRLG had remixes of Violet City & Azalea town, DPPT has a remix of Lilycove City, DPPT had the Secret Potion an item exclusive to Johto, Black & White have the Shoal Salt & Shoal Shell, an item exclusive to Hoenn. What I'm saying is for those who are debunking these hints or references I'd say don't be too hasty, there were people who did similar things for the Gold & Silver remakes and they happened so it's still just as likely.
Oh and I wanted to add, I'm not classifying this as a hint but it's funny how many of the Hoenn Pokemon sprites have been remade to look like how they looked in RSE. (Left Ruby & Sapphire - Right Black & White) http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/334.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/334.png http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/277.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/277.png http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/383.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/383.png http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/365.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/365.png http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen3/rusa/324.pnghttp://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/324.png |
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We still don't know about all references to Hoenn in B2/W2. It's very likely Shizui is from Hoenn, because he speaks using Kyushu dialect. Hoenn is based on Kyushu in Japan. Original B/W referred to Hoenn technically, B2/W2 might refer to Hoenn directly. Quote:
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Its not nearly as conclusive as the Secret Potion, which had a description saying its from Johto, along with actually being any use, but it is something. But still. There are not just as many hints. Look, I was saying GS remakes were bound to happen. Now I'm saying RS remakes wont happen. At least not in the same way as in the past (either sequels or a Johto like addition to Hoenn with both regions accessible), and definitely not in this generation with BW2 being the last beathing thing for the DS. Why did I think GS remakes would happen? Apart from the DIRECT hints like -A gym leader on visit: Jasmine -A key item, Secret Potion, with description its from Johto -An important event mentioned on TV: Red Gyarados -which also further points out the SAME time as GS But most of all... and if it wasnt for this I wouldnt be sure: -DPt had the coding "From Johto(Gold)/From Johto(Silver)" for Pokemon encounter data. That was essentially evidence, not just some hint. This was the strongest argument. No one was saying we will get GS remakes because they put lakes into Sinnoh or something. RS "hints" don't even compare to this as all we got is -Shoal Shell/Salt from daily item collector event with no possible use, or need for, as you get Shell Bell anyway. -A water/magma themed cave, which we don't know what its there for yet. Quote:
If there is a gen 6 first, then this has no meaning since they brought it back in gen 5 already........ Quote:
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There may be less hints but that doesn't hinder the likelyhood of remakes, it's mainly for the money but anyway.. another little something that could contribute towards a remake would be this:
"Allows the player to catch wild Pokémon; works better on Pokémon encountered underwaterRSEBW" This is the description for the Dive Ball, in BW Dive was re-introduced for no known reason however no Pokémon are available underwater so unless there are in B2W2 then they must have gone back to it's original function for some reason, right? |
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Its effect is the same as it is in D/P/Pt/FR/LG. Any Pokemon caught while surfing or Fishing gets the bonus to catch rate. The 3.5x boost works while Fishing and Surfing in B/W. The description is almost a carbon copy of what D/P/Pt/HG/SS's. A somewhat different Poké Ball that works especially well on Pokémon that live in the sea. A somewhat different Poké Ball that works especially well on Pokémon that live underwater. Even while surfing on the surface, the Pokemon you battle live underwater. Same with Fishing. Quote:
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There's one more thing about E4 music in B/W. I guess you won't accept it as a hint but part from 1:18 to 1:28 is remixed part of R/S/E music for E4. It's similar like Canalave City music in D/P/Pt is remix of G/S/C ending music, if you listen carefully. Game Freak seems to like remixing tracks of generations they plan to remake. |
RG and RS also both had the first gym you visit unbattleable as well as a forest after the city with that gym.
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R/S the Gym skipped was owned by your father who refused to challenge you until you received 4 Badges before him and is the 5th Gym. That's more a coincidence than a relation since the two scenarios are different. |
^ I agree that's not really a hint...besides in BW you didn't skip past the first gym so there isn't really a pattern there...
My hopes for RS remakes are almost as low now as they were for GS remakes before they finally came out...we need more solid hints like Iris getting a Treeko... |
I'm looking forward for B2W2 to be released to see if there are more hints to R/S remakes.
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I ask again
Do you seriously think they will make another set of games for the DS? Or do you think they would start a new generation with remakes? |
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Look how they Rocket guy spoke in G/S/C/HG/SS. It didn't change when we found him in Unova and he's supposed to be from Unova. As for Anime reference, May had finished her tour in Johto and moved to Sinnoh cause that was the next area that was holding contests, not to mention the Wallace Cup was being held in Sinnoh. Going with "So and So Trainer will have So and So Pokemon" is also grasping at straws. Its not solid enough. We'd need an active Hoenn specific Character to appear in B2W2 outside of the extra features. That is a solid clue. |
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Well I know those things in anime aren't solid hints, they might even not happen, I just think it's possible that Hoenn references might be appearing in this anime season, to promote Hoenn, like they were promoting Johto in gen 4 seasons. Quote:
But if they would make remakes for 3DS, it doesn't mean it has to be new generation. To promote 3DS and keep gen 5 they can still use gen 5 engine, reprogrammed and improved for 3DS. And then gen 6 would use totally new engine, using full potential of 3DS. Something like they did with DS games - gen 4 uses only partially potential of DS, gen 5 uses it fully. |
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DER R FIRE POKERMAN IN BW2 HOEN REMAKES IS COMIN My opinion: Remakes are coming in Gen VI, there are no hints, go away. |
I'm pretty sure Hoenn will make a re-appearence in some game, whether that be a remake or not I don't know but what I do know is by the end of 2012 Unova games will be done, I highly doubt they will make a third game of B2W2 because that's just too much Unova. That leaves the whole of 2013 open for new games so unless they plan on bringing Generation VI early then I'd expect to see a return from Hoenn in 2013 and if not, well then tied in with the sixth generation some time. Oh and I'd assume they would be on 3DS considering it would have been two years since it's release in 2013.
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I think the question im asking myself now is do i really want a remake now. If one were to look at BW type of story( deeper story compare to other pokemon games IMO) and if the theme to BW2 is complementing than we can speculate that the Story will be equally on the same level if not higher. Now look at RS story line while pretty cool its not on the same level as BW. In order for that to happen they need to tweak the story line, such as adding more gym leader presence in the main story.
Now one of the arguments for a RS remake is that you cant easily get hoenn pokemon in BW. First off its true but not impossible i was actually able to complete my national pokedex in my copy of white, of course it did take me 400 Hours on white, 220 hours on my heart gold and around 20-30 on my Sapphire soul silver and platinum. But i think if it was released next gen it would make it easier if they plan to do a 4th gen remake. Look at this 2013 R/S remake 2013 N/A 2013 Gen 6 2014 gen 6 2014 Gen 6 2014 N/A 2015 N/A 2015 N/A 2015 3rd version 2016 3rd version 2016 3rd version 2016 rs remake 2017 4th gen remake ? 2017rs remake 2017 Gen 7 See if we save the rs remake to gen 6 then it will really be warrented. And if they are gonna keep the pattern would you rather a Gen 4 remake in 2017 or wait for it in gen 7 in 2020 or 2022. By the way if there is a gen 7 i will be middle aged man playing pokemon( and proud of it lol) |
If something happens twice (like remakes in the past 2 generations) its not a pattern.
Not to mention the first 2 were between RS and E, while HGSS were after DPPt, so its not even consistent with the 2 examples we have. And now that they introduced sequels, that might just blow remakes out the window for future games anyway. |
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Red/Blue/Green = Gameboy Gold/Silver/Crystal = Gameboy Color (classified as a different system than a Gameboy) Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald = Gameboy Advance = Fire Red/Leaf Green (Remakes skipped Gameboy Color) Diamond/Pearl/Platinum = Nintendo DS = Heart Gold/Soul Silver (remakes skiped Gameboy Advance) Generation 6 Game = 3DS = Ruby/Sapphire Remakes (possible but no other support, just going by the pattern presented.) So each remake skips to the System that is one after the one released after their making. Since Ruby/Sapphire was for the Gameboy Advance, they'd skip the Nintendo DS since that was made after the GBA and would be released for the 3DS. Its not an official one, just something unproven to be false or accurate as we'd need the R/S remakes to confirm or deny this possibility. |
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I guess I can handle it being in Gen VI which interestingly enough is 2 * 3 like how HgSs was 2*2...though Kanto breaks this but than again it was in GS itself... 2*1...
Will that mean DPPt in gen VIII? and BWB2W2 in gen X...I kind of hope not xD |
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