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Heart's Soul May 6th, 2010 7:18 AM

Well, death is a special thing. We see it as something horrendous, but nobody wants to live forever. I had thoughts about suicide at one point because I noticed I am no more than just a slave in a world where no true freedoms exist living under the monetary existence that is currency, but I changed my mind. I enjoy life to the fullest and I do not believe that death can stop it. I die. It happens, who knows what may happen after?

(Or maybe I get revived :P)

Captain Riolu May 6th, 2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5775849)
Death isn't that bad. When I died I felt nothing but peace. There's nothing to be afraid of.

I feel terrible for finding this hilarious.

FreakyLocz14 May 6th, 2010 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Riolu (Post 5777694)
I feel terrible for finding this hilarious.

Why? Death is nothing to laught at.

hiphiphippo May 7th, 2010 7:44 PM

[jq]There is no life without death.[/jq]
apart from that..
the more you think about death, the more confused you get. and then it becomes scary
or at least that's how it is with me..

Idiot! May 8th, 2010 6:16 AM

Everyone has to die. After they die, everyone goes to heaven, because everyone almost always thinks they are right. To prevent overcrowding in heaven, we get reborn again as who-knows-what.

Izanagi May 8th, 2010 6:24 AM

There's Heaven, and there's Hell. Those who've accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour go to Heaven, eternal happiness, when they die, and those who don't go to Hell, eternal suffering and damnation.

Simple.

poopnoodle May 8th, 2010 6:39 AM

i love how people smugly barge in here and tell people what's going to happen when they die as if they're certain.

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Those who've accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour go to Heaven, eternal happiness, when they die, and those who don't go to Hell, eternal suffering and damnation.
sounds a bit like an abusive relationship between god and his people, does it not? lets start looking past the 'answers' our parents fed us and do some critical thinking for ourselves.

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Death is nothing to laught at.
why not? if you can't laugh at the painful truths, life can get pretty miserable for you.

Izanagi May 8th, 2010 6:46 AM

Are you really any different? Waltzing in here and telling us that our beliefs are pure fairytales that out parents fed us? Get outta here with that ********. You're no better than anyone else. I know what happens after death. I don't see you helping anything.

Rogue planet May 8th, 2010 6:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Izanagi (Post 5782211)
I know what happens after death.

If you're posting this, I assume that you're still alive. If you're still alive, how can you know what happens after death?

Guillermo May 8th, 2010 6:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Izanagi (Post 5782211)
Are you really any different? Waltzing in here and telling us that our beliefs are pure fairytales that out parents fed us? Get outta here with that ********. You're no better than anyone else. I know what happens after death. I don't see you helping anything.

When in that post did she say your beliefs are fairytales?

poopnoodle May 8th, 2010 7:00 AM

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Are you really any different? Waltzing in here and telling us that our beliefs are pure fairytales that out parents fed us? Get outta here with that ********. You're no better than anyone else. I know what happens after death. I don't see you helping anything.
waltzing, more graceful than your barging. please point out where i said your beliefs were wrong. you're the one asserting how right you are.

Izanagi May 8th, 2010 7:01 AM

I may just be jumpin the gun, but when people say that parents feed us "answers" they're usually implying parenst are feeding us bullcrap. Hence the quotes.

They call me Brandon Lee May 8th, 2010 7:10 AM

HAY GUIZE

Death's kind of awesome. There's so much crap you can't do in real life, but I still kinda miss Earth. Although things are kind of the suck down there so I'm probably going to just hang around here before I resurrect myself, lol

Spinor May 8th, 2010 8:46 AM

Ok, I know death has much to do with religion, but Izanagi, that's sort of pushing it. Have you thought about other religions that are isolated and forced to never hear about Jesus's word. Do they go to hell? That is, if that is the case of afterlife. Because truth is nobody know for real what happens in death.

All we have is science to explain the phenomenon. As I said in my poor banned alternated (XD) You don't really die until your brain activity terminates. After that it's all pure mystery.

Izanagi May 8th, 2010 8:48 AM

Just posting my view on it froma a Christian stand point. Didn't expect for everyone to just fall in line. I don't know about isolated people. I'd think that if you've never heard of Jesus Christ you would be given grace, sort of like a child who cannot understand would, or God would send someone to spread the Gospel. Again, this is from a Christian standing point.

Sneeze May 8th, 2010 10:49 AM

You where posting it from a "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, ACCEPT IT" point of view not a "This is what I, as a Christian, believe happens" one.

And no, no it's not simple, it's far from simple.

Also, if you don't "accept" Jesus you go to hell, if you do heaven. What if you are good person, what if you do charity work, have a happy family, help the needy, but atheist? do you go to hell then? What if you are a bad person, hurt people, maybe even kill, commit adultery but at thiest? Do you get into heaven (Assuming you confess before you die)?

WolfgangWhiplash May 9th, 2010 3:40 PM

About this heaven/hell talk...
I'm an atheist.
Maybe there is something beyond death, maybe it is just a passing sleep, though. We don't know. The religious can believe in something, but at the end of the day, they aren't sure of it. Everybody is agnostic if logic and reasoning is applied (not calling anyone dumb here, just saying that religious people act on feeling instead of logic), but religious people feel their faith, they feel it like it's there. Well, that's probably something only they can feel, maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.
I have no idea how death is like, but I want to die one day, this is why I refuse the idea of a heaven. Immortality is too painful, the heaven would turn into hell after a couple of centuries. I want a final rest. I am terribly afraid of dying and leaving a son without a father to raise him in the future, otherwise, may death come.


This is from an atheist stand point. Don't get offended.

EDIT: corrected a typo.

Spinor May 9th, 2010 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfgangWhiplash (Post 5787473)
About this heaven/hell talk...
I'm an atheist.
Maybe there is something beyond death, maybe it is just a passing sleep, though. We don't know. The religious can believe in something, but at the end of the day, they aren't sure of it. Everybody is agnostic if logic and reasoning is applied (not calling anyone dumb here, just saying that religious people act on feeling instead of logic), but religious people feel their faith, they feel it like it's there. Well, that's probably something only they can feel, maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.
I have no idea how death is like, but I want to die one day, this is why I refuse the idea of a heaven. Immortality is too painful, the heaven would turn into hell after a couple of centuries. I want a final rest. I am terribly afraid of dying and leaving a son without a father to raise him in the future, otherwise, may death come.

Then again, it is possible that either heaven is something mere mortals can never imagine. Or it could lead to the concept of reincarnation.

Yeah, reincarnation is possible. When you die your soul energy or whatever is probably shot up from your body and attracted to a fertilization somewhere else. Peace gets boring after a while too, you know. So why not keep living as something else?

WolfgangWhiplash May 9th, 2010 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 5787509)
Then again, it is possible that either heaven is something mere mortals can never imagine. Or it could lead to the concept of reincarnation.

Yeah, reincarnation is possible. When you die your soul energy or whatever is probably shot up from your body and attracted to a fertilization somewhere else. Peace gets boring after a while too, you know. So why not keep living as something else?

I don't mind reincarnation. But it's pretty pointless if you don't remember your past life, isn't it?

It's more like a Divine Soul Recycling Project, other than something we actually experience.

Bah.

Anyway, even if heaven had Heavy Metal and pretty girls forever, I would still want to die sooner or later.

The Corrupt Plague May 9th, 2010 4:11 PM

I am not afraid of death because I know that it is eventual. I am only afraid of some of the painful ways of getting there that are beyond my control, like murder or cancer because you have to go through a lot of suffering and wait them out for what feels like an eternity. The best way to die, in my opinion, would be in a deep sleep without even knowing.

Åzurε May 9th, 2010 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sneeze (Post 5782792)
And no, no it's not simple, it's far from simple.

A term I use is "complex simplicity". You can sum it up, but the underlying explanation and such is what gives the short version meaning.

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Also, if you don't "accept" Jesus you go to hell, if you do heaven. What if you are good person, what if you do charity work, have a happy family, help the needy, but atheist? do you go to hell then?
Yes. It's not abusive, it's a tough fact. One sin qualifies you for eternal separation from God. Christ's death cleanses sin. My little take on it is this: Upon dying, the Bible says the faithful become like God. Perhaps it's a fusion of consciousness. God, as a perfect being is not able to become one and the same with an imperfect being. Disaster ensues.


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What if you are a bad person, hurt people, maybe even kill, commit adultery but a theist? Do you get into heaven (Assuming you confess before you die)?
If one were to assume that it was a true, deep-as-the-core confession, I'd say yes. If the person lives saying they were Christian, and did nothing to change their behavior from doing all those things, they were living a lie. En fin.



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Originally Posted by WolfgangWhiplash (Post 5787473)
About this heaven/hell talk...
I'm an atheist.
Maybe there is something beyond death, maybe it is just a passing sleep, though. We don't know. The religious can believe in something, but at the end of the day, they aren't sure of it. Everybody is agnostic if logic and reasoning is applied (not calling anyone dumb here, just saying that religious people act on feeling instead of logic), but religious people feel their faith, they feel it like it's there. Well, that's probably something only they can feel, maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.

Religious people don't have to act on feeling instead of logic. it's simply a matter of accepting truth, and applying it as such to their sense of logic.

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I have no idea how death is like, but I want to die one day, this is why I refuse the idea of a heaven. Immortality is too painful, the heaven would turn into hell after a couple of centuries. I want a final rest. I am terribly afraid of dying and leaving a son without a father to raise him in the future, otherwise, may death come.
I admit, Heaven didn't seem appealing to me either. It took contemplation, study, and eventually a new perspective merged. It's not something I can really describe in so many words.

WolfgangWhiplash May 9th, 2010 4:26 PM

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Religious people don't have to act on feeling instead of logic. it's simply a matter of accepting truth, and applying it as such to their sense of logic.
You think so? There are countless illogical inconsistencies on the bible/kuran/buddha's teachings/etc. And lots of things that science has proven wrong. And yet there are religious people that still know, as a fact, that they're right?

I don't think so. Nobody is sure how death is like, otherwise, we wouldn't be afraid of dying. Even the most holy of humans will try to survive at a critical condition. Why is that? It's because we're all agnostics at the very core. We're not sure of anything. It's beyond human knowledge and comprehension, as of today.

All that religious people can do is believe. And that, is feeling.
Everyone else thinks about the most logical end.

Åzurε May 9th, 2010 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfgangWhiplash (Post 5787675)
You think so? There are countless illogical inconsistencies on the bible/kuran/buddha's teachings/etc. And lots of things that science has proven wrong.

I'm not concerned with the Koran or Buddhism, name something science can disprove about the Bible. Not theoretical or assumed, proven.

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And yet there are religious people that still know, as a fact, that they're right? I don't think so. Nobody is sure how death is like, otherwise, we wouldn't be afraid of dying. Even the most holy of humans will try to survive at a critical condition. Why is that? It's because we're all agnostics at the very core. We're not sure of anything.
Martyrs, remember? Jesus and the Apostles didn't resist death. I'm not afraid of dying myself, for death's sake. I'd love to keep living, young as I am, but if it happens it happens. I'd obviously try to sway things that encourage my living, but it's not fear. I've got people to help, and maybe chillin's to raise. And it's not fear for many people I know who are in Iraq or the hospital with terminal cancer. You can be unsure, and so are most people, but Not everyone is. Outside of Christianity there are those Muslim extremist suicide bombers who work on a far more violent expression of the same concept.


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It's beyond human knowledge and comprehension, as of today.

All that religious people can do is believe. And that, is feeling.
Everyone else thinks about the most logical end.
As of today, huh?

Are you saying that faith makes a person illogical (real question)? I have yet to see anything factual and logical that contradicts my faith.

I don't plan to carry this on for much longer, lest the mods attack. But one more round or VMs are okay with me.

Aureol May 9th, 2010 8:18 PM

Death is an interesting concept.

If there is no afterlife, you may be sad for a while, but everything must come to an end. It sucks, but it's inevitable, and we can only move on.

If there is an afterlife, death isn't all that sad because it's only a temporary separation, not really an end.

Either way, death isn't all that bad to the guy going through it in my opinion. It does tend to be pretty bad to those who loved him or her though.

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Are you saying that faith makes a person illogical (real question)? I have yet to see anything factual and logical that contradicts my faith.
Classic argument: atheists are obviously immoral, while religious folks are obviously idiots. I like the way this article puts it: Sarcasm Society!

I refuse to be baited by people that claim science has disproven much of religion...

FreakyLocz14 May 9th, 2010 8:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aureol (Post 5788297)
Death is an interesting concept.

If there is no afterlife, you may be sad for a while, but everything must come to an end. It sucks, but it's inevitable, and we can only move on.

If there is an afterlife, death isn't all that sad because it's only a temporary separation, not really an end.

Either way, death isn't all that bad to the guy going through it in my opinion. It does tend to be pretty bad to those who loved him or her though.



Classic argument: atheists are obviously immoral, while religious folks are obviously idiots. I like the way this article puts it: Sarcasm Society!

I refuse to be baited by people that claim science has disproven much of religion...

Afterlife=a chance your loved on went to Hell


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