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Guillermo May 9th, 2010 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5788358)
Afterlife=a chance your loved on went to Hell

See, now you're forcing your religion on everyone by saying that there is absolutely, no flaws, a Heaven and a Hell.

Death is one of those things you can look at and say, "Gee, I wonder what will happen after I die? I want to know but I don't want to die yet." Personally, for me, living forever would make me miserable. Really, there's a time when you would keep telling yourself you want to die because you're sick of living and you'll say to yourself, "Dammit, this is going to go on forever. :|"

FreakyLocz14 May 9th, 2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Guillermo (Post 5788368)
See, now you're forcing your religion on everyone by saying that there is absolutely, no flaws, a Heaven and a Hell.

Death is one of those things you can look at and say, "Gee, I wonder what will happen after I die? I want to know but I don't want to die yet." Personally, for me, living forever would make me miserable. Really, there's a time when you would keep telling yourself you want to die because you're sick of living and you'll say to yourself, "Dammit, this is going to go on forever. :|"

I was quoting what the above user said. He/she said that death is peaceful whether there is a an afterlife or not. I was just pointing out that if there is indeed an afterlife there could be a Hell, which would not be peaceful.

Guillermo May 9th, 2010 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5788486)
I was quoting what the above user said. He/she said that death is peaceful whether there is a an afterlife or not. I was just pointing out that if there is indeed an afterlife there could be a Hell, which would not be peaceful.

Yes, but you could have worded your post better, by saying that there could be a hell, not there is a hell.

But yeah, if there is a hell and we didn't do good then sucks to be us. :D

Aureol May 9th, 2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5788486)
I was quoting what the above user said. He/she said that death is peaceful whether there is a an afterlife or not. I was just pointing out that if there is indeed an afterlife there could be a Hell, which would not be peaceful.

Well, based on my beliefs, you only end up in hell if you're a really bad person (and I mean REALLY bad), so you had it coming. If it turns out that we were required to follow a certain religion or burn forever, and we didn't pick the special religion, then I agree: we're pretty screwed :\

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Originally Posted by Guillermo (Post 5788497)
Yes, but you could have worded your post better, by saying that there could be a hell, not there's a hell.

Lighten up a little bit... many people automatically assume that God doesn't exist around me, but I don't go jumping on them for it. I'm just saying that mostly because I usually state many things such as Jesus living and heaven existing as fact, even though it is obviously my opinion, and I don't want to be ranted at for not including every single opinion in my post :P

FreakyLocz14 May 10th, 2010 12:01 AM

All the churches I've attended said Heaven/Hell is based on whether you had faith in Christ or not and has nothing to do with whether or not you are a bad person.

In God's eyes everybody is a bad person because everybody has sinned at least once in their life so if it was based on your deeds everybody would end up in Hell. Christ died to exonorate us form our sins and it is an absolutely free gift from Him but to benefit you have to accept it.

This is just how I see it you don't have to prescribe to my beliefs.

Guillermo May 10th, 2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Aureol (Post 5788507)
Lighten up a little bit... many people automatically assume that God doesn't exist around me, but I don't go jumping on them for it. I'm just saying that mostly because I usually state many things such as Jesus living and heaven existing as fact, even though it is obviously my opinion, and I don't want to be ranted at for not including every single opinion in my post :P

Lighten up? I don't quite understand how I could be any less lightened up as of now. By telling him he could have worded his post better, I'm ranting at him? Really? I'm just saying what I want to say, so there you go.

FreakyLocz14 May 10th, 2010 12:32 AM

I'm a her by the way, guys.

Åzurε May 10th, 2010 7:03 AM

I did not see that coming. XD

AimayBee May 10th, 2010 8:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5788581)
I'm a her by the way, guys.

Noone ever checks the gender thingy... They just look at the profile pic. lol

Anyway! Death... I've met her, i've shaken hands with her but she let me go...

My girlfriend helped me believe in a soul and as soul mates i am not bothered what happens to my body, i'll be with her forever!

So death is not too bad for me.

And as for the religious standing on death, this guy called Jesus died yes? Can i ask, where were the nails nailed into him on the cross?

Heart's Soul May 10th, 2010 9:17 AM

I don't believe in an afterlife. I'm just not religious.

But, if what the 9 commandments say is true, then nobody can live in heaven. Everyone is evil in some point. Like me or my friend, Kristoph.

WolfgangWhiplash May 10th, 2010 9:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 5788189)
I don't plan to carry this on for much longer, lest the mods attack. But one more round or VMs are okay with me.

Whoa, chill bro. Sorry if I made you mad. I can see your point now, btw.

EDIT: But no, I didn't say faith makes someone illogical, I just said faith is something that's felt. Also, science has proven the bible wrong in our creation, hence the whole christians against evolution and stuff.

Åzurε May 10th, 2010 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfgangWhiplash (Post 5789267)
Whoa, chill bro. Sorry if I made you mad. I can see your point now, btw.

EDIT: But no, I didn't say faith makes someone illogical, I just said faith is something that's felt. Also, science has proven the bible wrong in our creation, hence the whole christians against evolution and stuff.

I'm chill, I promise. Not mad. Just saying, stuff like that tends to get locked really fast in here.

"All religious people can do is believe... everyone else thinks about the logical end" Looking on it now, I think I see what you meant. Atheists think only about the death part of death, or something to that effect. I was kind of getting on to you about your phrasing in the first place.

AimayBee: "Can i ask, where were the nails nailed into him on the cross?"

I'd assume, where the Romans usually put nails into people while crucifying them. ;]

AimayBee May 11th, 2010 3:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 5790925)
I'd assume, where the Romans usually put nails into people while crucifying them. ;]

I guessed that, hun. But most figurines or those thingies religious people have the guy on the cross is nailed by his hands.
Seems logical at first but if you think about it, the weight of the average made would make a massive rip down his hand and split it clean in two.
He would of had to have the nails through his wrist to keep him up.

And everyone always says they did him through the hands... Umm... Not possible... Unlesss being the son of god makes him anti-gravity guy?

Anyway, went a little of topic with religion, some kid is scared of death and all people are saying is that the kid's going hell if he doesn't like become jesus b**ch...

If you are with those you love, death isn't such a scary prospect.

Guillermo May 11th, 2010 3:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AimayBee (Post 5791327)
If you are with those you love, death isn't such a scary prospect.

Until you then realise that eventually you'll have to leave them, or they'll leave you.

AimayBee May 11th, 2010 4:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Guillermo (Post 5791333)
Until you then realise that eventually you'll have to leave them, or they'll leave you.

I already know that.
But i'm not bothered about death because i'm much more interested in life... And there willl be no crying at my funeral... I'm leaving that in my will. lol
When i get around to making one... In about 70 years... lol

Do you have someone special that makes death less scary?

Guillermo May 11th, 2010 4:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AimayBee (Post 5791346)
I already know that.
But i'm not bothered about death because i'm much more interested in life... And there willl be no crying at my funeral... I'm leaving that in my will. lol
When i get around to making one... In about 70 years... lol

Do you have someone special that makes death less scary?

I'm just not scared of death because I personally believe there's more behind life than just rotting in the ground, and I don't mean Heaven or Hell. Telling people not to cry at your funeral would be a waste of space, because they will.

And no, I don't. I have people that makes living much more awesome.

AimayBee May 11th, 2010 4:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Guillermo (Post 5791352)
I'm just not scared of death because I personally believe there's more behind life than just rotting in the ground, and I don't mean Heaven or Hell. Telling people not to cry at your funeral would be a waste of space, because they will.

And no, I don't. I have people that makes living much more awesome.

I believe the same thing but i hope there is something better... I hope there is something better.

And the crying thing... I can make people do anything. ^^ lol

Dawn May 11th, 2010 4:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Aureol (Post 5788507)
Lighten up a little bit... many people automatically assume that God doesn't exist around me, but I don't go jumping on them for it. I'm just saying that mostly because I usually state many things such as Jesus living and heaven existing as fact, even though it is obviously my opinion, and I don't want to be ranted at for not including every single opinion in my post :P

Or better yet, you shouldn't need to feel as if you have no right to believe these things publicly. ;/ This is the poster's thread, not an open religion debate thread. It seems to me we as posters should be considering what he has asked for, not coming here to argue with others.

To the poster...
There's really no reason to question heaven and hell. When you think about it, it's pretty self-evident that something is going on. I mean the universe and the human species are just this insanely improbable coincidence otherwise. Simply do what you feel is ultimately right, and try to take pride in it. That's how I get by, anyway.

Richard Lynch May 11th, 2010 5:21 AM

A lot of people have been throwing around the idea of a Soul (something I don't believe in, personally), but, being a scientist myself, it always reminds me of a rather eerie experiment performed near the beginning of the last century...

Weight of the Soul

(Gotta love Snopes <3)

Anyway, about death, I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. If you strip away the religious implications, you have what I call "The Big Sleep". Think about it... life is hard. You spend about 1/3 of it preparing for work (some people take up to half of their life preparing), and the rest of it actually working. Life is not easy, and while you must enjoy it to the fullest extent possible, death is truly a nice way to end it. You just go to sleep... for a really long time. No more worries, both personal and financial, no more health concerns, no more pain. (Just a note, what I'm saying is a suicidal kid's wet dream, so don't get any ideas, anyone who's depressed! Life is a hotel you shouldn't check yourself out of).

Death is the only thing that unites us all. No matter your ethnicity, social standing, education, profession, or how much money you're worth, everyone still ends up in the same place: six feet under.

Is that so bad?

I believe that you can only truly learn to appreciate life when you've learned to accept (and perhaps even embrace) death. Life is a zero sum game: you come from nothing, you go back to nothing. What've you lost? Nothing!

Dawn May 11th, 2010 5:49 AM

Well you've got the right idea, Mr. Lynch.

I believe we could do more to persuade them (Suicidals) that death is not in fact better, a solution, though.

Richard Lynch May 11th, 2010 6:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 5791446)
Well you've got the right idea, Mr. Lynch.

I believe we could do more to persuade them (Suicidals) that death is not in fact better, a solution, though.

Oh, I agree.

But at the same time, it's very hard to convince people that your opinion of life is what they should believe... some people, like myself, see life as simply something to enjoy in all aspects. Others see it as advancement in a career (we all know at least one workaholic). Yet still others see it as something you should suffer through (look at some hard-core Catholics, Opus Dei-style), which is the complete opposite of my belief.

Same thing with the unhealthy vs. health freaks. I enjoy unhealthy food, and I don't exercise very much (among other unhealthy activities)... the health freaks would say I'm committing slow suicide because I do what I enjoy. It's a hard thing to balance. haha

Off topic, my apologies.

Dawn May 11th, 2010 6:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Lynch (Post 5791507)
Oh, I agree.

But at the same time, it's very hard to convince people that your opinion of life is what they should believe... some people, like myself, see life as simply something to enjoy in all aspects. Others see it as advancement in a career (we all know at least one workaholic). Yet still others see it as something you should suffer through (look at some hard-core Catholics, Opus Dei-style), which is the complete opposite of my belief.

This is true, but I think we can all agree it's important to avoid suicide in any form as much as we can(Within Human and Moral Limit), and important to instill at least the value of life onto others.

Of course, John seems to be seeking comfort. This to me suggests he is having a hard time believing this sort of thing, or perhaps that he wants a friend.

I'd personally classify myself as highly religious. Isn't it odd that we see eye to eye? It's pleasant, to say the least.
But at that, I have moved slightly off topic as well.

Richard Lynch May 11th, 2010 7:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 5791537)
I'd personally classify myself as highly religious. Isn't it odd that we see eye to eye? It's pleasant, to say the least.
But at that, I have moved slightly off topic as well.

It is rather odd, considering I, myself, am an outspoken atheist (and, I'd even venture to admit, a die-hard anti-religionist).

I personally do not believe life has any intrinsic value... we are merely biological organisms with the ability to ask questions, and its in those questions that philosophy, religion, and even science (yes, my own field) stem from, albeit each has its own degree of logic. However! I believe life should be individually cherished, because I enjoy life, and I think other people should as well. I don't believe in any afterlife, so death isn't that bad of a scenario, but let's face it: life is fun! That's the bottom line. Between learning more about the world around us, watching TV, playing music, or even just playing Pokemon (among other games), life is pretty nice. Questions are good, health is moderately important, and curiosity never truly killed the cat, but sometimes you just have to sit down with a good book and be fat, enjoy everything around you - the tastes, textures, smells. Everything! You only get to experience it for so long (because looking at the alive-to-dead time ratio, it's basically one to infinity), so why not enjoy it?

That's just my opinion, though. And yes, off-topic... though if you'd like to continue this discussion, Yellow, perhaps PMs or VMs are in order. ;)

Sneeze May 11th, 2010 5:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5792718)
I believe that one should enjoy life as much as possible instead of worrying about death. Seeing this from a psychological perspective, being concerned about death only causes you to be more focused on it, and causes your main concern(or one of) to be about death, which is sorta unhealthy in my eyes.

Death is something that will come after life, and going from Guillermo's post, there are some that have witnessed what death was like and perhaps have lived to tell about it, but I believe that was during a near-death situation and heaven forbid that we were put in a near-death situation just to experience what death was like.

Death will comes when it comes, in my perspective. Life is the primary focus at the moment, so why not take the opportunity to live life(although as cliche as this is) to the fullest?

"It isn't death we should fear, but a life poorly lived" ~ Yakko, Animaniacs.

:3

Eternal Nightmare May 11th, 2010 9:39 PM

Death is inevitable. We all are going to die one day, so why fear what going to happen anyway. Why fear what can't be stop?
So the best solution is live. Live life to its fullest potential, have a laugh one or two in your life with friends and family, and importantly love yourself your life and the world around you until your time has come. Well that is just my take on so called "death."


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