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Waki Tobaye May 6th, 2010 4:00 PM

"Swords Dance doesn't do anything, I'll make him learn HYPER BEAM!"
 
Were you one of those persons who put stat-increasing moves on their Pokémon? Or did you just put offensive attacks, thinking that stat-increasing didn't do anything?

I remember thinking that Swords Dance, Agility, Calm Mind, Haze, Focus Energy and those moves didn't do anything; so (in-game) I sold them and bought some other things. But they're really useful in Competitive Battling, Batton Pass + Sword Dance or Calm Mind or something + Suction Cups Pokémon = :D

Oh, but that was a long, long time ago; what about you? Did you make your Pokémon's movepool offensive, defensive or anything goes; or what?

Skystrike May 6th, 2010 4:03 PM

All moves, unless it was something like Thunder Wave or Will-o-Wisp.
I always think moves like Tail Whip don't do anything

amberrelf May 6th, 2010 4:10 PM

XD When I was little, I was all about the offensive moves.
Now I try to have at least one defensive move, or at least one that raises attack when used or something.

AikuSeverin May 6th, 2010 4:33 PM

all my pokemon have taunt or torment, and my poisons have toxic or toxic spikes, they is goood, i only recently started using them and found out how epic they are, especially gainst koga

shookie May 6th, 2010 4:38 PM

Obviously if I plan on EV training my Pokémon then I pick the moves that they need, but if I'm just going to use them in-game to run around with, I mostly go with offensive moves.

darkshiek May 6th, 2010 4:40 PM

I rarely use non-attack moves as far as in game play. But in competitive, I love me some SDs and Stealth Rocks.

Fli May 6th, 2010 4:53 PM

Pretty much offensive only...

When I was little this was because I saw no immediate effects of tail whip (a cheating AI vs. a lower health bar? your choice...) Also, I was big into the one-hit KO's because, now don't laugh, I freaked out when the opponent used a stat-changing move; I was sure that my stats were stuck at the low place that the move put them at (even healing could never ever put the stat where it was originally), so that was actually worse in my mind then using a damaging move. It still freaks me out a little today.

So yeah, my moves are generally all offensive (and I don't do competitive battles, so that's not a factor). Now don't get me wrong, defensive moves have their advantages, but I would rather over- level and OHKO than patiently lower my opponent's stats and attack with an equal-level pokemon.

Spikey-Eared Pichu May 6th, 2010 5:36 PM

Only recently have I started to use non-offensive moves. When I was younger, I would give my Pokemon moves like Fire Blast and Thunder because they did a lot of damage. Now, I use Flamethrower and Thunderbolt.

*Charizard* May 6th, 2010 5:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amberrelf (Post 5778232)
XD When I was little, I was all about the offensive moves.
Now I try to have at least one defensive move, or at least one that raises attack when used or something.

Exactly what i did when i was little, attack attack attack is all that i would think about. Now it's balancing your pokemon moves...

Izanagi May 6th, 2010 5:49 PM

That's how I used to be too. Now, unless there's a special reason, I always have 2 stat modifying moves in my Pokemon's attack list.

mew² May 6th, 2010 6:06 PM

I never use defensive moves unless I am making a Wall Pokemon.
Like with my Umbreon, It has Wish, Toxic, Protect, and Dark Pulse.

But with Sweepers or anything else, it's strictly hard attacks with a lot of power.
Like with my Metagross, It has Bullet Punch, Meteor Mash, Earthquake, and some other move I cannot remember. ^_^

Waffle-San May 6th, 2010 6:07 PM

Yeah I didn't realise they did anything until I was around 12 and got back into Pokemon. Today I'll keep moves that raise my own Pokemon's stats (ie. Calm Mind, Swords Dance, Dragon Dance etc.) but moves that lower my opponents stats I don't have time to bother with...except maybe Charm. That one works alright. :P

Waki Tobaye May 6th, 2010 6:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fli (Post 5778360)
...I was big into the one-hit KO's...

Oh, that's true, I also remember using Fissure and Sheer Cold a lot. Even though it failed almost every time I used it, I was amazed by their "power" xD

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkshiek (Post 5778324)
... I love me some SDs and Stealth Rocks...

I use entry hazards a lot now, I need to have at least one layer of any entry hazard on competitive battles to be happy. xD
Dual Screens are also helpful.

So guys, did you use OHKO moves back then? And what about entry hazards and dual screens?

chezhead May 6th, 2010 6:29 PM

I just used offensive as a kid, but now, I will occasionally use some random status move or something that lowers something "sharply". Any attack that lowers/raises something less than sharply is a waste of a turn.

rockman0 May 6th, 2010 6:45 PM

Lol, story of my life. This was a typical battle between me and Green in the Red version.

Dee's Pokemon used Tackle. 1/5 hp down
Green used tail whip.
Dee's Pokemon used Tackle.
Green used tail whip.
Dee's Pokemon used Tackle.
Green used Tail Whip.
Dee's Pokemon used Tackle.
Me: Heh heh, Green is so stupid.
Green used Tackle. Dee is out of usable Pokemon. Dee blacked out!
Me: no fair! gameboy hits the ground.

But now, I know that status changing moves are much more valuable.

Ayselipera May 6th, 2010 6:56 PM

I'm all about offense. I like Pokemon with high attack and speed just so I can get the job done. Although I'll occasionally settle for a status move. The few that I use are...

- Confuse Ray
- Toxic
- Leech Seed
- Will-o-Wisp

... and that's about it. Well that's about the extent! :3

jon328 May 6th, 2010 7:02 PM

i used to be one of those kids. haha i remember those days :D

.Gamer May 6th, 2010 7:03 PM

I hate statting up because in game AI is so dumb i hurt myself.

Timbjerr May 6th, 2010 7:05 PM

When I was younger, I was all about offense...most of my pokemon carries 2-3 STAB attacks and one Normal attack. (when I was a kid, I thought normal was the only physical type and everything else was special. XD)

Nowadays, the pokemon I use both in-game and competitively usually have one STAB attack, one attack for type coverage (or another STAB attack for dual-type pokemon), one status inflicting move (thunder wave, confuse Ray, Toxic, etc.), and one stat-altering move (swords Dance, Nasty Plot, Agility, etc.)

I actually play rather defensively nowadays, abusing status conditions and entry hazards for all they're worth. >:D

Alexeon May 6th, 2010 7:06 PM

Hm...I remember all the way back in Red version, I'd only use my Charizard the entire game, with Slash being the attack I'd use on mostly everything, seeing as back then, it'd crit 100% on pretty much anything. If I were up against a Rock or Ghost-type, I'd use Flamethrower/Fire Blast...and if I ran out of PP or got bored of those two moves, I'd use Earthquake or Cut...

Really didn't take much more than that back then. xD But yea, now I love buffs. Dragon Dance, Swords Dance, Agility, Calm Mind...just thinking about these moves pumps me up lol.

BHwolfgang May 6th, 2010 7:35 PM

Back when I first started Pokemon, my team would only use offensive moves. I didn't realize how useful moves such as Screech, Sword Dance, Calm Mind, etc. were. To be honest, I actually thought that those moves were useless. How wrong was I.

Nowadays, most of my Pokemons would have at least one stat reducing or boosting move in their move slot. The AI just doesn't switch out their Pokemons enough for me to use Spikes or Toxic Spikes.

Gymnotide May 6th, 2010 7:49 PM

I use all moves as often as I can.
Try using Magic Coat. It makes you a pro.

Bluerang1 May 6th, 2010 11:28 PM

I always use offensive thinking defensive is a waste a time :$ But I vary the moveset... now this is General Pokemon Gaming :P

SIN1488 May 6th, 2010 11:51 PM

For the longest time I only used offensive moves. It was only recently that I realized how good defensive moves can be if used right. Before that, I used to think they were a waste of a turn.

Witch May 7th, 2010 6:32 AM

I don't use defensive moves much :X I never really saw the point if your pokemon are well trained

RuRuBell May 7th, 2010 6:40 AM

When I was a kid, I only did offensive moves. And since you couldn't really check moves in Red, I just had the same thing over and over. Like, Ember, Flame Thrower, and Fire Blast on my Charizard.

Now I try to have one stat increase/decreaser, something that causes a status problem, and maybe two attacks. I don't battle competitively, though.

Cherrim May 7th, 2010 7:03 AM

Embarrassingly enough, it wasn't until gen 3 that I realized that OHAY, TAIL WHIP ISN'T USELESS. I think I was too stupid to understand the concept of stats going up or down in battle (or... even what stats really did) when I first played Pokémon so I'd only use attacks that did obvious damage right away. :|

I've smartened up now but I stiiiill don't like having more than one "doesn't do damage" move on a given Pokémon. Bias from earlier, I suppose. XD;

(Also, I'm gonna move this to General Gaming since it's game-related.)

Aureol May 7th, 2010 7:52 AM

I used to have only monotype offensive, accuracy-decreasing/evasion increasing and sleeping moves on me. I thought stat-moves did almost nothing (like maybe 10% per boost or something), and the other status-effects were not worthy in mine holy sight.

Now, I still only use those moves in-game (diversity in offensive types now of course), as well as double-stat-increasing moves (NEVER stat-decreasing: waste of time for something I'll probably OHKO anyways). I also use paralysis. Never burn or poison though. In competition though, whatever works best.

Timbjerr May 7th, 2010 8:54 AM

Funny that the title should mention Swords Dance though. My younger brother, on his first playthrough of Red, taught his Charizard Swords Dance upon finding the TM for it. The move he deleted for it? Slash. To this day, he will vehemently argue that an attack called "Swords Dance" should be an offensive attack. To quote his argument, "if my charizard is gonna go through the trouble to pull swords out of his ass and dance around with them to increase his attack power, I'm fairly certain that he'd rather get rid of them by throwing them at the opponent instead of sticking them back in."

Kon~ May 7th, 2010 10:23 AM

In all honesty...

I appreciate the use of stat-affecting moves and defensive moves, etc. etc... but...

I don't play competitively. I'm sure that if I did, I would have a more strategic approach to movesets, but as I only play in-game, I just do an all offensive blow-out and thrash the game AI with high levels, lotsa grinding and STAB.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ May 7th, 2010 11:18 AM

In the past I was all about offensive attacks. Even today, many of my movesets are offense-oriented, but I have branched out a bit. I don't use too many stat increasing moves outside of Agility, but I use other tactics such as HP-restoration, Substitute, and Thunder Wave.

Flare Riqueza May 7th, 2010 11:32 AM

I used to just use pure power on Emerald, i.e. get an Absol, pack it up with powerful attacks, but now, my tactics go as far as getting a pokemon bred with Belly Drum or Dragon Dance, then using that move, then killing.

Water Pokemon Trainer May 7th, 2010 11:39 AM

Lolz i think everyone used to concerntrate of pure offensive. I still do on trainer battles and gym batles ect.. but like against other realy people i tend to try and be more strategic But sometimes charizards fire blast is very good against a blastoise 2x his lvl :P

myrrhman May 7th, 2010 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kon~ (Post 5780034)
In all honesty...

I appreciate the use of stat-affecting moves and defensive moves, etc. etc... but...

I don't play competitively. I'm sure that if I did, I would have a more strategic approach to movesets, but as I only play in-game, I just do an all offensive blow-out and thrash the game AI with high levels, lotsa grinding and STAB.

This. I don't battle competitively, and just do challenges over and over. Pretty much the only non-offensive moves I will ever have is Double Team/Sand Attack, Recover, and Substitute.

Kenpari May 7th, 2010 12:23 PM

Back before I learned about competitive battling, I never put any stat-increasing moves on my Pokemon. Knowing how I was, if I would have put anything on them, I would have put Swords Dance on a special attacker because I didn't know crap about Special/Physical stats.

Arma May 7th, 2010 2:26 PM

The only defensive move I used when I was little is Sword Dance. I'm not into competitive battling, but I often use stat raising moves on my pokemon. I never liked the screens actually, I prefer moves like acid armor, iron defense etc.

Anyone else who uses moves like acid armor over the screens?

EmeraldSerenade May 7th, 2010 2:29 PM

I usually ditched those kinda moves until I got into competitive battling. I didn't really care much about raising stat's xD

Waki Tobaye May 7th, 2010 2:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elarmasecreta (Post 5780537)
Anyone else who uses moves like acid armor over the screens?

Acid Armor and Iron Defense are pretty much the same thing (both raise Def 2 stages), but the difference here is that the effect (1/2 reduction from Def or SpD, depending on the screen) stays even after the user changes. That gives other Poké chance to set up, like batton passers or bulky Poké.
Anyway, IMO both the screens and stat-increasing moves are pretty much useless in-game.

Arma May 7th, 2010 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waki Tobaye (Post 5780554)
Acid Armor and Iron Defense are pretty much the same thing (both raise Def 2 stages), but the difference here is that the effect (1/2 reduction from Def or SpD, depending on the screen) stays even after the user changes. That gives other Poké chance to set up, like batton passers or bulky Poké.
Anyway, IMO both the screens and stat-increasing moves are pretty much useless in-game.

I know Iron defense and acid armor are the same thing, didn't use them on the same pokemon ( acid armor is kinda rare). Defense and sp. def raising moves really helped in FR elite 4. especially when i was battling lance, Vaporeon kicked his butt XD

Ninja Caterpie May 7th, 2010 3:10 PM

I can't be bothered getting set-up moves...usually. Usually, I run with 2 or 3 Pokemon, meaning I rip through the much weaker enemy AI.

In my HeartGold playthrough...that wasn't so much the case. I had to grind a bit and only beat the Elite Four once my Gyarados got DD.

Basically; before, I used all out offense in all my moves. Nowadays, I tend to put GOOD stat-up moves onto my Pokemon so I don't need to grind them up as much. =P It means I can play without being lazy. =D

And of course, I play competitively with only the top-notchest moves. xP

LyokoGirl5000 May 7th, 2010 5:12 PM

I learned very early on that stat altering moves could make a big difference. Now, I always try to have at least one move on every Pokemon focused on stat altering. Offensive moves with the possibility of altering stats are even better. I don't usually use a move that only lowers defense if I can get another move that deals damage as well as having a chance to lower defense.

I also enjoy the benefits of of status changing moves. My SoulSilver team has several moves that cause paralysis and freezing.

PyRoMaNiC May 7th, 2010 6:42 PM

I go all offense, tbh. Wprks better, and getting overleveled to make up for it is easy. I do use Swords Dance on Scyther, but that's about it. Well, Absol, too.

Danikamakaze May 7th, 2010 7:36 PM

Yeah, I was also one of those kids xD

Sneeze May 8th, 2010 10:25 AM

I used to be like it too, even now I rarely use stat-boosting moves, just on the odd 'mon when I think I can get away with it, most of the 'mon I use are "glass cannons" so I'd die after using it anyways likely. I do have Nasty Plot on my Porygon-Z though and Iron Defence on my Forretress which turned out to be very useful in the league trying to out-stall the damn double teaming Crobat and Umbreon.

dooxer May 9th, 2010 8:29 AM

nowadays i still can only take moves that I know will affect the enemy that turn, i cant even use future sight lol

however, i am always looking for moves that have a effect, wether its for stats or conditions. water pulse instead of surf is a great power for a water/wall pokemon since it confuses like hell for me.

Limey-chan May 9th, 2010 8:31 AM

I used to teach Fire Pokémon Fire-type moves, Electric Pokémon Electric-type moves etc, but now I like to think a bit more tactically with my Pokémon. I mix it up with my moves.

dooxer May 9th, 2010 4:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5787573)
Stat increasing moves. Although it takes time to set up, it's worth it in the end. I think it's a bit reckless to attack head-on if you don't know what you're attacking and if you don't know your own strengths and weaknesses. So it's best to be prepared.

thats why i use pokemon with every attack type i can put into them, to have as many super effectives as I can... :classic:
also, why would you even use a pokemon without figuring out if it is defensive or offensive, special or physical? using built in traits well seems more efficient that building up and getting pounded in the meanwhile...

dooxer May 9th, 2010 4:09 PM

one calm mind is not enough to stop my attacks head on. in the time it takes for two of those, your 3/4 gone or more with a well built and fast guy. if you want stats, EV train.

Chocos0 May 9th, 2010 6:53 PM

When I was like 9, I always thought that the defensive moves are like "blah blah blah, I don't care.."
But after seeing competitive battling on youtube, I tried to think of the best combination's I can get.
So, DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE RAISING ARE DA BEST!!!

Jack Kentnon May 9th, 2010 8:17 PM

Early in my pokemon career, I never thought attacks like leer or growl were useful. However as I would always choose Charmender, I slowly found growl and leer to be more and more useful in my war against Brock. Manky was not available, and Nidoran (m) didn't learn doublekick 'till 43 (even if I were able to get my hands on one)

I never taught a pokemon an attack that wasen't it's STAB (even though I didn't know what that was), and I never thought about special attacks and physicial attacks and there relationship with the stats until generation 3, when I learned about competive play.

I slowly started to try and cover my bases, and think about what stat my pokemon specialise in, so I can get a better performance out of them. Allthough, I don't play competitively.

chaos11011 May 10th, 2010 2:39 PM

All of my freinds (exept my brother who I lecture frequently how good Status moves are) think Non-Attacking moves are pointless.So then I always have to yell or scream at them.Then I Baton Passed +Stat Boost swept them with every worthless pokemon possible,Toxic Stalled all of there pokemon,and other attepts to prove them wrong after 5 years only 1 or 2 of my freinds learned >.>

dooxer May 10th, 2010 6:59 PM

I think that would be because in the general story of the game you don't NEED stats, and so most people ignore them in favour of cooler looking damaging movesets. for sure in the elite four I wouldn't waste time doing stats if I'm only training up guys. i'de think of pp left and one hit ko's with brute strengh.
only with people can you want to stat it up, to find any edge on them.

adhdguitar May 10th, 2010 7:30 PM

Just like most people here, I used to only use offensive moves as a kid, then found that there was much more strategy involved. The only non-offensive move I've ever used was Thunder Wave on my Pikachu.

The Red Chain May 10th, 2010 7:52 PM

When I was young, I went with attack moves.. and by young I mean probably 6-7 ish..
Around age 8 I figured out that they help and the Pokemon anime inspired me to use non-attack moves.. especially Double Team. :3
The games became more fun for me after I figured those moves out and began to finally utilize them.


Dawn May 11th, 2010 6:59 AM

I'm generally a pretty offensive battler. x3 Lawl, I know they do something. I just don't find they do enough.

Tolomer May 11th, 2010 12:31 PM

I've always been the type to strategize~

My teams moves consist of maybe 2/3 offense, and always have at least one defensive. They usually have some sort of move that helps me kill them, even though it's a defensive move~ (Like....well I don't know, but a move that poisons without hurting...or curse.)

Brendino May 11th, 2010 1:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayselipera (Post 5778687)
I'm all about offense. I like Pokemon with high attack and speed just so I can get the job done. Although I'll occasionally settle for a status move. The few that I use are...

- Confuse Ray
- Toxic
- Leech Seed
- Will-o-Wisp

... and that's about it. Well that's about the extent! :3

Wow, I think those are probably the only ones I use as well. I think that the only defense-oriented Pokemon that I have is my Togetic that knows Metronome, Toxic, Protect and Softboiled.

GlitchCity May 11th, 2010 2:24 PM

I use to, until recentely I found out that defensive moves actually do something. No wonder it took me awhile to complete diamond. Ughh. But I completely spammed growl and sand-attack in Heartgold :D

Waki Tobaye May 11th, 2010 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaos11011 (Post 5789955)
All of my freinds (exept my brother who I lecture frequently how good Status moves are) think Non-Attacking moves are pointless.So then I always have to yell or scream at them.Then I Baton Passed +Stat Boost swept them with every worthless pokemon possible,Toxic Stalled all of there pokemon,and other attepts to prove them wrong after 5 years only 1 or 2 of my freinds learned >.>

In game, that strategy pretty much sucks. Why would yo spend your time making that strategy when you could be grinding?
In competitive, that strategy is pretty much ruined up, phazers and hazers are everywhere in competitve (especially in Standard) with moves like Taunt(that doesn't let you use boosting moves), Haze(Eliminates stat-changes), Whirlwind & Roar(These are the main problem, you've already [somehow] setted up your mighty 893 Attack and 754 Speed Rampardos with help from your Ninjask, and a Skarmory comes in and uses Whirlwind. Fin.
Unless, of course, you have a Suction Cups Pokémon (Octillery & Cradily); but they're not worth the pass, one is pretty frail (Octillery) and the other ones is killed by STAB Technician Bullet Punch or STAB Ice Beam; pretty common moves (Cradily).

Of course, If you're battling with your noob friend that doesn't know about pseudo-hazing and taunting, then you're lucky. I love killing my friends with things like 999 Attack and 999 Speed Magikarp or Dunsparce xD

Kenpari May 11th, 2010 5:19 PM

^ Most pure baton pass teams that have dedicated users have a Smeargle lead. Best Baton Pass Pokemon to have on your team, as well. Spore to put the Pokemon to sleep with an awesome 100% accuracy and then pass off ingrain to prevent roar. I don't see anybody who uses Haze, never had in my competitive battling history at all. I've made a few baton pass teams myself, but didn't use Smeargle. One of then has been broken, upon which you are just completely screwed unless by some black magic you kill the phazer and then set up your chain again. It's amazing when you have a +4 Speed, +6 Sp. Atk, +6 Def, +3 Sp. Def Togekiss with a flinch set. I use Mr. Mime to set up barriers and pass off calm mind if I can. One of the best things to do is set up on a bad Pokemon that you can easily outlast and mean look baton pass him, it works well. Sweep that Poke after your boosts and proceed to set up your chain. I feel that baton pass chains rely a little too much on luck and just what the enemy team has.

Stat boosting moves used in a baton pass chain can be extremely dangerous if in the right hands and mixed with the right Pokemon, but can be broken apart if not cautious. I feel it can be better to set up on a weaker Pokemon and then start sweeping on a switch or something like that, but if you ever feel the rush whenever you sweep your entire enemy team with one huge tank of a Pokemon then you know that baton pass teams are great & fun to use if you succeed.

Chimbaru May 11th, 2010 11:36 PM

I remember having a Nidoking in Yellow with:

- Surf
- Horn Drill
- Pay Day
- Subsmission

Ah, those were the days. The TMs were so much cooler.

Westie7 May 12th, 2010 1:35 PM

I sometimes use those attacks early on, but normally I switch to offensive attacks around the first gym. I prefer speedy and accurate attacks, like Ice Beam and Thunderbolt. I don't like Blizzard or Thunder, though. I'd rather not use the chance of missing.

Mongo May 12th, 2010 2:02 PM

For the most part, I still only use attack moves in-game. Competitive battling is a different story, of course...

Dark Azelf May 13th, 2010 2:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dooxer (Post 5787605)
one calm mind is not enough to stop my attacks head on. in the time it takes for two of those, your 3/4 gone or more with a well built and fast guy. if you want stats, EV train.

Thats cool and all except most Calm Mind users have either Rest or Recover and pretty much wall you as they continue to set up Calm Mind then heal off all the damage. EV training alone wont win you battles.

As for me, back in the day i didn't. I used to sell all my non damaging move tms and teach my pokes all damaging moves all of the same type (i.e my Blastoise knew Hydro Pump/Water Gun/Surf and Water Pulse) :/ lol

Now however i do since damaging attacks alone arent gonna win you many battles competitively.

Ninja Caterpie May 13th, 2010 3:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waki Tobaye (Post 5792582)
In competitive, that strategy is pretty much ruined up, phazers and hazers are everywhere in competitve (especially in Standard) with moves like Taunt(that doesn't let you use boosting moves), Haze(Eliminates stat-changes), Whirlwind & Roar(These are the main problem, you've already [somehow] setted up your mighty 893 Attack and 754 Speed Rampardos with help from your Ninjask, and a Skarmory comes in and uses Whirlwind. Fin.

With Skarmory using Whirlwind (-priority, I believe), I'm pretty sure Rampardos will hit first.
With 893 Attack, I'm pretty sure Rampardos will KO first.

Pokeplup May 13th, 2010 8:55 AM

Well, I Really do prefer Accurate, Offensive moves which can cause Status aliments. Mainly the moves like FlameThrower, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt.
I Also thought about using Skill Swap as an advantage. For Abilites such as Color Change or Wonder Guard. Though i have not tried it out yet...

TheAppleFreak May 13th, 2010 10:26 AM

Back when I first got Diamond, I was a noob. My Infernape was horribly overleveled compared to the rest of my team during my E4 runs (Lv. 75 vs. Lv 30? I dunno), knew only Fire moves, and (understandably) lost multiple times against Bertha. I restarted, raised a more balanced team, but still hadn't learned. It wasn't until Summer 2009 that I got rid of my Pokémon's type-exclusive movesets (eg Infernape with Fire Blast, Blast Burn, Dig, and Flamethrower; Mantine with Surf, Hydro Pump, Waterfall, and Defog, etc), and it wasn't until I got into competitve battling that I actually began using the faintest hints of strategy.

Needless to say, I now understand how to better make teams thanks to repeated failures on Shoddy and daily strategy talks at lunch every day at school.

Volroc May 13th, 2010 11:37 AM

i prefer to teach my pokemon a diverse set of attack moves, usually 4different types, with 2 gettin stab ^_^
but otherwise,i rarely use status moves, not use they "dont do anythin"
just cuz their not my style, ill use paralysis, and poison, & sleep but thats bout it ^^"

larrysturtle May 13th, 2010 4:02 PM

Yeah, i didnt care much for moves to powerup pokemon until recently when i discovered EV training and competitive battling.

Now instead of brute forcing my way thru the campaign, I used a lot more strategy and balanced movesets. Guess thats the advantage of growing older

NickofTime May 13th, 2010 4:20 PM

Hell i still use all aggressive moves when i play in game, only during online play do i use defensive moves

Jammy-182 May 15th, 2010 1:13 PM

On my first ever play through of the game I just assumed that a move learnt later on was better so i only ever really used the last four moves a pokemon learns, with the exception of hms. but when i finally realised the pp runs out really fast I used more strategy in my move sets! :)

Sydian May 15th, 2010 1:23 PM

I found most common non-damaging moves (such as Growl, Leer, stat lowering/raising moves, so to speak) quite useless when I was little. The only ones I like were any status inflicting moves (especially Attract and Toxic), Perish Song, healing moves, and Sand-Attack. Those were what I wanted, little things like Growl, I'd pass. But this was all gen I and II. When gen III came out and there were more useful stat moves (at least that I payed attention to), I found them more useful. So for in-game plays, I typically have a mixed set, or at least one non-damaging move. As for competitive sets, we all know how they work.

A Pixy May 15th, 2010 2:11 PM

Yep, that's pretty much me. Thank god I don't competitively battle. 8D

Trainer Galza May 16th, 2010 12:02 AM

Theres a few stat boosters I kept around that I dish out in the game.. mostly when I go fight the elite 4/Gym Battles. But with all the grinding I can do there, it's not likely I'll use them all the time.

A few I use..

Garados + Dragon Dance = :D
Clefable + Reflect + Charm = Surprizingly good enemy debuffer.
Machamp + Focus Energy + Cross Chop = Cross Chop has a high crit rating on its own, focus energy makes it more common. Trick is connecting Cross Chop. But when it does hit, and crits, few things can stand up to it.

When I first started playing the game though waaay waaaaay back in the day I used to get rid of things like these.

dooxer May 16th, 2010 5:20 AM

yea, i only keep focus energy for someone who will use slash or something similar often, but i'd think a machamp with crosschop can already kill most people in one hit lol.

Markus_of_Hoenn May 16th, 2010 11:00 PM

When i was fresh to Pokemon i thought that the next move he learned was better, then it went to all offensive. Now I cant go without apprehending my opponent in some way. Paralyze and confuse, or sleep; I must. Then boost myself.
My Leafeon in Platinum:
-Leaf Blade to complement it's high attack stat, High critical hit ratio too ^,^
-Synthesis Restores HP
-Sword Dance Boosts attack
-Grass Whistle Puts foe to sleep(i just pray it hits)
(Holding Razor Claw for a higher critical hit ratio)

Ninja Caterpie May 16th, 2010 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus_of_Hoenn (Post 5806602)
When i was fresh to Pokemon i thought that the next move he learned was better, then it went to all offensive. Now I cant go without apprehending my opponent in some way. Paralyze and confuse, or sleep; I must. Then boost myself.
My Leafeon in Platinum:
-Leaf Blade to complement it's high attack stat, High critical hit ratio too ^,^
-Synthesis Restores HP
-Sword Dance Boosts attack
-Grass Whistle Puts foe to sleep(i just pray it hits)
(Holding Razor Claw for a higher critical hit ratio)

lolololol, only a grass move? Someone still needs to keep improving. You won't need Synthesis on your sweeping Leafeon...tbh, you don't even need Grass Whistle.

RTHookers May 17th, 2010 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Waki Tobaye (Post 5778189)
Were you one of those persons who put stat-increasing moves on their Pokémon? Or did you just put offensive attacks, thinking that stat-increasing didn't do anything?

I remember thinking that Swords Dance, Agility, Calm Mind, Haze, Focus Energy and those moves didn't do anything; so (in-game) I sold them and bought some other things. But they're really useful in Competitive Battling, Batton Pass + Sword Dance or Calm Mind or something + Suction Cups Pokémon = :D

Oh, but that was a long, long time ago; what about you? Did you make your Pokémon's movepool offensive, defensive or anything goes; or what?

All out attacks.
But I didn't really know English back then =/

Storm Parakaitz May 17th, 2010 1:35 AM

It depended on the move, for me. I used Sand-Attack and Double Team like crazy and I loved Substitute. I also used Growth and Agility. Oh, and anything that induced status I liked.

Moves I didn't use included things that lowered opponent's abilities [and for the most part, I still don't use those] and a few stat-raisers like Meditate. And I hated Bide because it took me years to figure out how it worked.

chaos11011 May 24th, 2010 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Waki Tobaye (Post 5792582)
In game, that strategy pretty much sucks. Why would yo spend your time making that strategy when you could be grinding?
In competitive, that strategy is pretty much ruined up, phazers and hazers are everywhere in competitve (especially in Standard) with moves like Taunt(that doesn't let you use boosting moves), Haze(Eliminates stat-changes), Whirlwind & Roar(These are the main problem, you've already [somehow] setted up your mighty 893 Attack and 754 Speed Rampardos with help from your Ninjask, and a Skarmory comes in and uses Whirlwind. Fin.
Unless, of course, you have a Suction Cups Pokémon (Octillery & Cradily); but they're not worth the pass, one is pretty frail (Octillery) and the other ones is killed by STAB Technician Bullet Punch or STAB Ice Beam; pretty common moves (Cradily).

Of course, If you're battling with your noob friend that doesn't know about pseudo-hazing and taunting, then you're lucky. I love killing my friends with things like 999 Attack and 999 Speed Magikarp or Dunsparce xD

I play competitive battling alot I know that it will get completly ruined with Hazers,Psuedo Hazers and Taunters.I dont acctually use a BP Team i just did it for the lols.And the "if your battleing a noob freind who doesn't know psuedo hazing and taunting" thats actually the point because im showing the if they had such moves they could of countered my team.

pieguy259 May 24th, 2010 5:48 PM

I'm big on attacking, not so much on the stats and defence. I don't play competitively, thankfully.

Emlam May 24th, 2010 5:49 PM

I mostly went offensive in Pokemon Red because it's all I needed, BUT I always made sure to have at least one high-HP Pokemon with Flash or similar and one at lv. 30 or higher with a reasonably-accurate Sleep move when it got to the point where I could access the legendary birds. It was the only combo that ever worked reliably for me at low levels.

Rockets Lapras May 25th, 2010 1:19 AM

I focused more on attacking, and still do for the most part. I do love me some Toxic though.

Jesh May 25th, 2010 1:32 AM

In game stats don't matter :x

The Doctor May 25th, 2010 11:52 AM

I use all Offensive moves.
THe way i see it is, the more time u try lowering his stats, the more time he is lowering your health.

Kipher May 25th, 2010 1:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Opera Ghost (Post 5828316)
I use all Offensive moves.
THe way i see it is, the more time u try lowering his stats, the more time he is lowering your health.

Not neccacarily, the sp.defense and defense contribute alot to the HP of your pokemon in terms of resistince, lets say you lower the rivals sp.defense by 4 points, if you do an attack that equals about 89 without doing those points it stays at 89, lower the by 4 and you can multiply that by .4 that equals up to 124.


At least that's how I factored my attacks back then.

Aether May 25th, 2010 1:13 PM

Yeah, I used to neglect stat increase/decrease moves. Now I know better, Swords Dance and Nasty Plot are ridiculously good.

NickofTime May 25th, 2010 2:54 PM

In game i really dont carry any move that do not do damage
potions for healing and status
X-items for stat increases
i mean a four slot moveset is precious especially in game you need all the type coverage you can get
but yeah in competitve play i am a big fan of trappers (scarfzone with hp fire= 1 shot scizor anyone?) and i use late game sweepers like crazy (cursepert and heracross)

Emlam May 25th, 2010 3:42 PM

I know "Gary" (who always gets a girl's name in my game) just keeps using Tail Whip with Squirtle in the first battle until I knock it out with Scratch. :P

Against moron in-game trainers, you might as well just beat 'em up.

TheAppleFreak May 25th, 2010 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoroark-Nightmare (Post 5826402)
I'm offense all the way. I think the stat-increase moves are stupid. XD
I hate swords dance and LOVE hyper beam.
XD

I entered a PC Wifi tournament a while ago. After my first win in it (single elimination... I think...), I tried attacking a Choice Scarf Vaporeon and failed horribly (I accidentally used Waterfall on it and it Trick'd the Scarf onto me). Then, after a Baton Passed Mean Look, it began a series of stat-increasing moves (Swords Dance, Nasty Plot, Gastro Acid, etc.) all chained together with Baton Pass which culminated in a Lucario sweeping my entire team. I lost 6-0.

The lesson? Never rely purely on attacking moves. Even the elemental Hyper Beams aren't good enough to take out true strategy.

Swinoob May 25th, 2010 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amberrelf (Post 5778232)
XD When I was little, I was all about the offensive moves.
Now I try to have at least one defensive move, or at least one that raises attack when used or something.

Same here. [Darn. my post isn't long enough. That should be enough. Darnit.]

Dr. Faustus May 27th, 2010 9:04 AM

When I was younger, I always used offensive moves, with the exception of Swords Dance. I always thought SD was cool. XD

Elise May 27th, 2010 9:28 AM

Haha, for sure when I was younger I didn't even give a second thought to stat boosting/ lowering moves and got rid of them the first chance I get! And... To be honest, in-game I usually still do that. It's hard for me to pass by heavy hitting moves, trying to see how fast I can defeat an opposing player/NPC. I guess I'm just more of an offensive pokemon trainer. :) I like to kick their butts... what can I say?

Emlam May 27th, 2010 9:49 AM

I didn't like the low-PP moves though, powerful or not. Bite and Slash were probably my faves, if they were HM's I'd have taught them to everything. :P

Kai Yamato May 27th, 2010 9:55 AM

Least these moves does something. Unlike super situational moves like Fling and Natural Gift.

I always keep at least one buff move. I prefer the ones that boosts both stats though.

beca May 27th, 2010 10:01 AM

When I was a kid, I found stat-increasing moves pointless xD
I remember the first time I played Pokemon Blue, it said something like "Charmander's attack fell". At the time, I assumed it meant that the opponent's attack had missed ~___~

Chris337 May 27th, 2010 10:17 AM

I always understood what stat changing moves did for the most part, but I was still about the offensive moves. I kept sleeping/poisoning/paralyzing moves and moves that sharply modified stats though. Today I usually have one or two of those on each pokemon.

Emlam May 27th, 2010 11:04 AM

I was so bummed out when I first realized Thunder Wave didn't do damage. It sounds so powerful. ><

Fernbutter January 11th, 2014 4:21 AM

I would always be like powermoves only, I guess I deemed it unnecessary to have stat stuff.

Sydian January 11th, 2014 8:16 AM

Please don't revive threads that are over a month old...let alone one that's almost four years old. I know 2010 was awesome and all, but still! :P

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