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chaos11011 May 10th, 2010 2:39 PM

All of my freinds (exept my brother who I lecture frequently how good Status moves are) think Non-Attacking moves are pointless.So then I always have to yell or scream at them.Then I Baton Passed +Stat Boost swept them with every worthless pokemon possible,Toxic Stalled all of there pokemon,and other attepts to prove them wrong after 5 years only 1 or 2 of my freinds learned >.>

dooxer May 10th, 2010 6:59 PM

I think that would be because in the general story of the game you don't NEED stats, and so most people ignore them in favour of cooler looking damaging movesets. for sure in the elite four I wouldn't waste time doing stats if I'm only training up guys. i'de think of pp left and one hit ko's with brute strengh.
only with people can you want to stat it up, to find any edge on them.

adhdguitar May 10th, 2010 7:30 PM

Just like most people here, I used to only use offensive moves as a kid, then found that there was much more strategy involved. The only non-offensive move I've ever used was Thunder Wave on my Pikachu.

The Red Chain May 10th, 2010 7:52 PM

When I was young, I went with attack moves.. and by young I mean probably 6-7 ish..
Around age 8 I figured out that they help and the Pokemon anime inspired me to use non-attack moves.. especially Double Team. :3
The games became more fun for me after I figured those moves out and began to finally utilize them.


Dawn May 11th, 2010 6:59 AM

I'm generally a pretty offensive battler. x3 Lawl, I know they do something. I just don't find they do enough.

Tolomer May 11th, 2010 12:31 PM

I've always been the type to strategize~

My teams moves consist of maybe 2/3 offense, and always have at least one defensive. They usually have some sort of move that helps me kill them, even though it's a defensive move~ (Like....well I don't know, but a move that poisons without hurting...or curse.)

Brendino May 11th, 2010 1:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayselipera (Post 5778687)
I'm all about offense. I like Pokemon with high attack and speed just so I can get the job done. Although I'll occasionally settle for a status move. The few that I use are...

- Confuse Ray
- Toxic
- Leech Seed
- Will-o-Wisp

... and that's about it. Well that's about the extent! :3

Wow, I think those are probably the only ones I use as well. I think that the only defense-oriented Pokemon that I have is my Togetic that knows Metronome, Toxic, Protect and Softboiled.

GlitchCity May 11th, 2010 2:24 PM

I use to, until recentely I found out that defensive moves actually do something. No wonder it took me awhile to complete diamond. Ughh. But I completely spammed growl and sand-attack in Heartgold :D

Waki Tobaye May 11th, 2010 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaos11011 (Post 5789955)
All of my freinds (exept my brother who I lecture frequently how good Status moves are) think Non-Attacking moves are pointless.So then I always have to yell or scream at them.Then I Baton Passed +Stat Boost swept them with every worthless pokemon possible,Toxic Stalled all of there pokemon,and other attepts to prove them wrong after 5 years only 1 or 2 of my freinds learned >.>

In game, that strategy pretty much sucks. Why would yo spend your time making that strategy when you could be grinding?
In competitive, that strategy is pretty much ruined up, phazers and hazers are everywhere in competitve (especially in Standard) with moves like Taunt(that doesn't let you use boosting moves), Haze(Eliminates stat-changes), Whirlwind & Roar(These are the main problem, you've already [somehow] setted up your mighty 893 Attack and 754 Speed Rampardos with help from your Ninjask, and a Skarmory comes in and uses Whirlwind. Fin.
Unless, of course, you have a Suction Cups Pokémon (Octillery & Cradily); but they're not worth the pass, one is pretty frail (Octillery) and the other ones is killed by STAB Technician Bullet Punch or STAB Ice Beam; pretty common moves (Cradily).

Of course, If you're battling with your noob friend that doesn't know about pseudo-hazing and taunting, then you're lucky. I love killing my friends with things like 999 Attack and 999 Speed Magikarp or Dunsparce xD

Kenpari May 11th, 2010 5:19 PM

^ Most pure baton pass teams that have dedicated users have a Smeargle lead. Best Baton Pass Pokemon to have on your team, as well. Spore to put the Pokemon to sleep with an awesome 100% accuracy and then pass off ingrain to prevent roar. I don't see anybody who uses Haze, never had in my competitive battling history at all. I've made a few baton pass teams myself, but didn't use Smeargle. One of then has been broken, upon which you are just completely screwed unless by some black magic you kill the phazer and then set up your chain again. It's amazing when you have a +4 Speed, +6 Sp. Atk, +6 Def, +3 Sp. Def Togekiss with a flinch set. I use Mr. Mime to set up barriers and pass off calm mind if I can. One of the best things to do is set up on a bad Pokemon that you can easily outlast and mean look baton pass him, it works well. Sweep that Poke after your boosts and proceed to set up your chain. I feel that baton pass chains rely a little too much on luck and just what the enemy team has.

Stat boosting moves used in a baton pass chain can be extremely dangerous if in the right hands and mixed with the right Pokemon, but can be broken apart if not cautious. I feel it can be better to set up on a weaker Pokemon and then start sweeping on a switch or something like that, but if you ever feel the rush whenever you sweep your entire enemy team with one huge tank of a Pokemon then you know that baton pass teams are great & fun to use if you succeed.

Chimbaru May 11th, 2010 11:36 PM

I remember having a Nidoking in Yellow with:

- Surf
- Horn Drill
- Pay Day
- Subsmission

Ah, those were the days. The TMs were so much cooler.

Westie7 May 12th, 2010 1:35 PM

I sometimes use those attacks early on, but normally I switch to offensive attacks around the first gym. I prefer speedy and accurate attacks, like Ice Beam and Thunderbolt. I don't like Blizzard or Thunder, though. I'd rather not use the chance of missing.

Mongo May 12th, 2010 2:02 PM

For the most part, I still only use attack moves in-game. Competitive battling is a different story, of course...

Dark Azelf May 13th, 2010 2:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dooxer (Post 5787605)
one calm mind is not enough to stop my attacks head on. in the time it takes for two of those, your 3/4 gone or more with a well built and fast guy. if you want stats, EV train.

Thats cool and all except most Calm Mind users have either Rest or Recover and pretty much wall you as they continue to set up Calm Mind then heal off all the damage. EV training alone wont win you battles.

As for me, back in the day i didn't. I used to sell all my non damaging move tms and teach my pokes all damaging moves all of the same type (i.e my Blastoise knew Hydro Pump/Water Gun/Surf and Water Pulse) :/ lol

Now however i do since damaging attacks alone arent gonna win you many battles competitively.

Ninja Caterpie May 13th, 2010 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Waki Tobaye (Post 5792582)
In competitive, that strategy is pretty much ruined up, phazers and hazers are everywhere in competitve (especially in Standard) with moves like Taunt(that doesn't let you use boosting moves), Haze(Eliminates stat-changes), Whirlwind & Roar(These are the main problem, you've already [somehow] setted up your mighty 893 Attack and 754 Speed Rampardos with help from your Ninjask, and a Skarmory comes in and uses Whirlwind. Fin.

With Skarmory using Whirlwind (-priority, I believe), I'm pretty sure Rampardos will hit first.
With 893 Attack, I'm pretty sure Rampardos will KO first.

Pokeplup May 13th, 2010 8:55 AM

Well, I Really do prefer Accurate, Offensive moves which can cause Status aliments. Mainly the moves like FlameThrower, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt.
I Also thought about using Skill Swap as an advantage. For Abilites such as Color Change or Wonder Guard. Though i have not tried it out yet...

TheAppleFreak May 13th, 2010 10:26 AM

Back when I first got Diamond, I was a noob. My Infernape was horribly overleveled compared to the rest of my team during my E4 runs (Lv. 75 vs. Lv 30? I dunno), knew only Fire moves, and (understandably) lost multiple times against Bertha. I restarted, raised a more balanced team, but still hadn't learned. It wasn't until Summer 2009 that I got rid of my Pokémon's type-exclusive movesets (eg Infernape with Fire Blast, Blast Burn, Dig, and Flamethrower; Mantine with Surf, Hydro Pump, Waterfall, and Defog, etc), and it wasn't until I got into competitve battling that I actually began using the faintest hints of strategy.

Needless to say, I now understand how to better make teams thanks to repeated failures on Shoddy and daily strategy talks at lunch every day at school.

Volroc May 13th, 2010 11:37 AM

i prefer to teach my pokemon a diverse set of attack moves, usually 4different types, with 2 gettin stab ^_^
but otherwise,i rarely use status moves, not use they "dont do anythin"
just cuz their not my style, ill use paralysis, and poison, & sleep but thats bout it ^^"

larrysturtle May 13th, 2010 4:02 PM

Yeah, i didnt care much for moves to powerup pokemon until recently when i discovered EV training and competitive battling.

Now instead of brute forcing my way thru the campaign, I used a lot more strategy and balanced movesets. Guess thats the advantage of growing older

NickofTime May 13th, 2010 4:20 PM

Hell i still use all aggressive moves when i play in game, only during online play do i use defensive moves

Jammy-182 May 15th, 2010 1:13 PM

On my first ever play through of the game I just assumed that a move learnt later on was better so i only ever really used the last four moves a pokemon learns, with the exception of hms. but when i finally realised the pp runs out really fast I used more strategy in my move sets! :)

Sydian May 15th, 2010 1:23 PM

I found most common non-damaging moves (such as Growl, Leer, stat lowering/raising moves, so to speak) quite useless when I was little. The only ones I like were any status inflicting moves (especially Attract and Toxic), Perish Song, healing moves, and Sand-Attack. Those were what I wanted, little things like Growl, I'd pass. But this was all gen I and II. When gen III came out and there were more useful stat moves (at least that I payed attention to), I found them more useful. So for in-game plays, I typically have a mixed set, or at least one non-damaging move. As for competitive sets, we all know how they work.

A Pixy May 15th, 2010 2:11 PM

Yep, that's pretty much me. Thank god I don't competitively battle. 8D

Trainer Galza May 16th, 2010 12:02 AM

Theres a few stat boosters I kept around that I dish out in the game.. mostly when I go fight the elite 4/Gym Battles. But with all the grinding I can do there, it's not likely I'll use them all the time.

A few I use..

Garados + Dragon Dance = :D
Clefable + Reflect + Charm = Surprizingly good enemy debuffer.
Machamp + Focus Energy + Cross Chop = Cross Chop has a high crit rating on its own, focus energy makes it more common. Trick is connecting Cross Chop. But when it does hit, and crits, few things can stand up to it.

When I first started playing the game though waaay waaaaay back in the day I used to get rid of things like these.

dooxer May 16th, 2010 5:20 AM

yea, i only keep focus energy for someone who will use slash or something similar often, but i'd think a machamp with crosschop can already kill most people in one hit lol.


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