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Umbreon_ May 10th, 2010 3:21 AM

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Teenage pregnancy / pregnancy without getting married? What do you think?

Discuss~

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Reginaldvonburger May 10th, 2010 3:25 AM

If they can handle it, if they have the money and if they're prepared then it's fine.

Izanagi May 10th, 2010 3:55 AM

I don't think it's good at all. Fornication's a sin by my book.

Reginaldvonburger May 10th, 2010 3:56 AM

I don't see the problem with pre-marital sex. It's up to each individual when and who they want to do it with.

Binary May 10th, 2010 4:20 AM

I think pregnancy before marriage isn't so good. Pre-marital sex is fine but you should always use contraceptive devices. But, if the couple rally want something like that and can take care of everything, I don't see any major problem.

Reginaldvonburger May 10th, 2010 5:09 AM

I don't see why people should have to be married to have a baby to be honest. Some people don't want to pay thousands for a piece of paper saying that if they divorce their other half she gets half his money.

Izanagi May 10th, 2010 5:11 AM

If they're worried about divorce, they shouldn't be getting married in the first place.

The Cynic May 10th, 2010 5:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Reginaldvonburger (Post 5788679)
If they can handle it, if they have the money and if they're prepared then it's fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reginaldvonburger (Post 5788724)
I don't see the problem with pre-marital sex. It's up to each individual when and who they want to do it with.

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Originally Posted by Reginaldvonburger (Post 5788823)
I don't see why people should have to be married to have a baby to be honest. Some people don't want to pay thousands for a piece of paper saying that if they divorce their other half she gets half his money.

I agree with her on all the above statements. Marriage is not at all necessary for parenthood.

Sneeze May 10th, 2010 5:25 AM

If both parties are consenting and mature enough why not? I don't see why you need a legal document to make you "allowed" to do something that comes to all animals on the planet naturally.

Reginaldvonburger May 10th, 2010 5:32 AM

Another point I thought I should make.
Gay couples adopt babies, in many American states they aren't allowed to be wed. Is it wrong for them to want to be parents as well?

Animals don't have to have a wedding to have babies or sex.

Izanagi May 10th, 2010 5:35 AM

1. I don't think homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, because I don't believe in homosexual relations period. No offence intended.

2. But we're not animals :/

Spinor May 10th, 2010 5:53 AM

Look, Science is logic. Humans are animals -_-

Now, I see absolutely nothing wrong with protected sex before marriage. Of course, pregnancy is a different thing. If you want to be pregnant you have to be sure that you are economically stable and responsible. Marriage is not really necessary for that. Although yes, it would be recommendable depending on religion and government.

And homosexual couples have nothing to do with this topic XD

Izanagi May 10th, 2010 5:55 AM

I don't know about you, but I'm no animal. But that's a different discussion.

Spinor May 10th, 2010 6:08 AM

A parrot has the abilit to talk, is it not an animal? Monkeys and dogs have intelligence, they're still animals. What exempts humans from the animal kingdom? Intelligence, technology, and self-destruction are no excuse.

Reginaldvonburger May 10th, 2010 6:23 AM

Humans are animals.
Personally I think what "humans" class as "animals" are better than ourselves. Animals never had a war.

And homosexual couples have something to do with this thread, as they can adopt children in states that they cannot marry.

Plus homosexuality is found in 60,000 animals species and I have dated more women than I have men so, clearly they exist, therefore, you can't NOT believe in them.

Chibi-chan May 10th, 2010 6:29 AM

Let's keep this topic on a matter of maturity and pregnancy rather than the act of sex or any of that business there, okay? Just fyi, I'll be monitoring this thread.

The Cynic May 10th, 2010 6:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 5788881)
A parrot has the abilit to talk, is it not an animal? Monkeys and dogs have intelligence, they're still animals. What exempts humans from the animal kingdom? Intelligence, technology, and self-destruction are no excuse.

BTW, Parrots cannot talk they can only imitate sounds. The rest of your point is solid though, humans are merely animals.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi (Post 5788871)
I don't know about you, but I'm no animal. But that's a different discussion.

Yes you are.

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Originally Posted by Reginaldvonburger (Post 5788903)
Humans are animals.
Personally I think what "humans" class as "animals" are better than ourselves. Animals never had a war.


Actually, baboons, and other animals, have been known to wage war against their own species in order to aquire food, territory etc.

This article will explain: http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8400000/8400019.stm

Now let's get back on topic before the Mods make us.

EDIT: looks like they already have!

Blue Nocturne May 10th, 2010 6:44 AM

Teenage pregnancy is entirely dependent on the situation. If the person has decided thats definitely the route she wants to take in life and she is mentally mature enough to handle pregnancy and motherhood, as well as having the correct resources for a child, then why not, although having all three of those things seems unlikely. On a personal level, I wouldnt want to be a father until at least 30, because that will give me the time to do all the other things in life other than create; even then it wouldn't be a priority for me.

As for Teenage Sex in general, I dont have much of a problem with that, but once again i would stress that both parties should be emotionally prepared for it.

Sex and pregnancy without marriage? I dont see any moral, emotional or physical reason why marriage is necessary for sex. Although, once again I think that the couple should be financially ready and responsible. What difference is there between having sex and having sex with a certificate in a cupboard somewhere?

Rich Boy Rob May 10th, 2010 7:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5788830)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Reginaldvonburger (Post 5788823)
I don't see why people should have to be married to have a baby to be honest. Some people don't want to pay thousands for a piece of paper saying that if they divorce their other half she gets half his money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reginaldvonburger (Post 5788724)
I don't see the problem with pre-marital sex. It's up to each individual when and who they want to do it with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reginaldvonburger (Post 5788679)
If they can handle it, if they have the money and if they're prepared then it's fine.



I agree with her on all the above statements. Marriage is not at all necessary for parenthood.

This. To be honest I think marriage is an outdated idea, I mean what's the difference between being partners and being partners with a slip of paper saying you are married.

As for teen pregnancy, I think that if she wishes to keep it then that is fine, but I personally would say that an abortion is the best idea, as having a child that early would restrict your future dramatically.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi (Post 5788871)
I don't know about you, but I'm no animal. But that's a different discussion.

As for this. What exactly sets us apart from animals in your opinion then?
Intelligence? If that's so why can apes and crows use tools just like we (as a genus) did?
Warfare? Animals battle over territory just as much as we do, except we do it on a larger scale.
Souls? Well I don't believe we have souls/spirits anyway, so you know
What else is there to set us apart?

Timbjerr May 10th, 2010 8:20 AM

Teenage fornication in general is very wrong in my book. Generally speaking, teenagers aren't in love with their partner (but they will swear they do because they have a physical attraction to them), teenagers aren't mature enough to handle having a child, and teenagers aren't financially prepared to have a child. Even in the rare case where one of those three is present, the other two will most likely be missing.

I dunno, it might just be because I'm asexual personally, but I strongly feel that Lust is considered a deadly sin while Chastity is considered a heavenly virtue for a reason.

BTW, for those debating the marriage thing, I don't think the traditional views revolve around the article of paper itself, but more or less the love and devotion to one another that real married couples share. This is why such examples without an official marriage certificate are often called Common Law Marriages.

Izanagi May 10th, 2010 8:34 AM

Wow, that is one of the only sane posts in this thread :D

Rich Boy Rob May 10th, 2010 8:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5789117)
Teenage fornication in general is very wrong in my book. Generally speaking, teenagers aren't in love with their partner (but they will swear they do because they have a physical attraction to them), teenagers aren't mature enough to handle having a child, and teenagers aren't financially prepared to have a child. Even in the rare case where one of those three is present, the other two will most likely be missing.

I don't think you need to be in love to have sex as it can be recreational thing, but I agree that underage teenagers aren't mature enough to raise a child. However as long as contraceptive is used I don't see why people who are 16 or over shouldn't have sex. People who want children when they're 18 should be be free to do so, but I personally don't want kids until I'm 30+.

Magik?! May 10th, 2010 8:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Nocturne (Post 5788946)
Teenage pregnancy is entirely dependent on the situation. If the person has decided thats definitely the route she wants to take in life and she is mentally mature enough to handle pregnancy and motherhood, as well as having the correct resources for a child, then why not, although having all three of those things seems unlikely. On a personal level, I wouldnt want to be a father until at least 30, because that will give me the time to do all the other things in life other than create; even then it wouldn't be a priority for me.

As for Teenage Sex in general, I dont have much of a problem with that, but once again i would stress that both parties should be emotionally prepared for it.

Sex and pregnancy without marriage? I dont see any moral, emotional or physical reason why marriage is necessary for sex. Although, once again I think that the couple should be financially ready and responsible. What difference is there between having sex and having sex with a certificate in a cupboard somewhere?

tl;dr version of what I'm about to say: I agree with this person.

I come from an upbringing and stuff where I don't even approve of marriage, I think that it is a pointless act - if you're going to be with someone for all your life, you will, regardless of whether you have a ring and a piece of paper to say so. Marriage these days is becoming more pointless, with the divorce rate getting higher and the costs of divorce getting lower. Who's to say that the person you have a kid with is gonna want to be around you forever? Some people say that the way marriage is becoming is a bad thing, but I believe it's better, people are more free to do what they wish which, from my observations, leads to happier people.

I also know a lot of people who have single parents, and in my experiences, they're closer to their parents than the ones who have both around the whole time. So I don't think that you even need to have both parents to raise a child (though that depends on the situation and stuff). I don't see why having a child before marriage is such a big problem, I don't even plan to get married but I still want children when I'm older, so yeah, I'll be having kids before I'm married I guess.

As for teenage pregnancy, I actually disapprove pretty strongly. If they're below 16, I think it's awful, after that I guess it depends on what type of person they are and what they want to do. I know one of my friends is 17 and she would be happy to get married next year and have kids and stuff, but that's because all she's wanted is a family and she never really had any big dreams or anything, so for her to have kids at 17-20 wouldn't spoil her life or whatever - it's what she's been planning for. I know a lot of other people who want to go to university and get a good job or travel and broaden their horizons before having kids, so for them to get pregnant would ruin that for them. I know that plenty of people go through uni with kids or while they're pregnant, but to me uni seems like it should be kind of... the inbetween period between being a 'young adult' and being an adult, having kids kinda skips that transition and you just end up becoming an adult straight away.

Ultimatly I think it's up to the individuals though, I wouldn't criticise someone who is unmarried and 20 years old with a five year old if they were able to look after it and it was happy and stuff any more than I would criticise a married 30 year old with the same five year old, it's up to how they bring the child up to make a difference in this world and to be the best that they can be - that shouldn't depend on their parent's age or marital status.

Eternal Nightmare May 10th, 2010 9:29 AM

Sadly, I have seen middle school girls walking around pregnant or with children. 11th grade and beyond then its a different story. I persoannly think if some is finacially stable and ready for the bay then technically there is no problem, although this can interfere with schoool. 99% of the time these teens just want to experience sax and don't really think about the consquences. The so called father will more than likely leave the girl when they find out about the baby as the only real intention was to "score." This is also another major problem as why I think its better to wait.

My point...yes its bad and can led to several complications later on in life. Its not as bad if the pregnant youth is supported finacially and with the aid of both parents as well as their "mate" or whatever they want to call it. That is all :3.

Esper May 10th, 2010 10:48 AM

Food for thought: "pre-marital sex" isn't the best term since not everyone who has sex ever gets married. And you can get pregnant without ever having sex a la sperm donor. I don't know if it's ever happened, but it's possible.

Anyway, if you're pregnant and want to be pregnant the more people you have supporting you the better. I don't mean a husband-who-brings-home-the-bacon type of support necessarily, but family and friends and living close to medical facilities and just everything you might need. There doesn't have to be a husband/father and sometimes you're better off without him if he's not a good character.


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