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Power to the people.
As members of PC, do any of you feel you should have more power/ a bigger say in the goings ons of the community? Do you think it's fair for staff to make all the decissions or would you rather there was a vote based system on issues? Obviously things like bans and infractions are at, and should be at, the staff's control, but personally I've always thought we should have a more powerful say in things like the rep system, name changes, blogs, applications etc.
And no Mork, before you close this for "trolling" this isn't a troll thread, this isn't to get any angry reactions, this is inspired by the election in the UK |
applications? o.O What do you mean by applications?
I think the staff do a wonderful job pleasing the community, and as a direct result have no urge to take any of the power away from them. |
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Oh, I see. Well, like I said. I feel highly satisfied with the way the staff handles the site. I don't feel like I'd be able to trust the public to do as good let alone better.
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That's fair enough. There were some decisions I made as mod that i don't think the people in my section would of voted for at the time, but in the end were beneficial.
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I think they should remove the 25 char limit.
Sometimes it's ridicoulus and I have to put something stupid just to make the post a little longer. Other than that not much, since I'm mostly at S&M and we have the awesome mod called Dark Azelf there so there isn't much probs. Most of the time at S&M it's best to stay quiet so DA won't own you. Staff and other rules are okay, we can always go to the second forum on the main forum I can't remember how it's called. |
I guess it would be nice if the community had a little vote for certain features on the forum. I'd like name changes to come back, but I know that causes problems for the server so unless there is some way they can fix that I don't see why we would vote it back in. The only thing that comes to mind that I would like to vote on is blogs being more accessible to members who haven't donated. I know that would defeat some of the purpose of donating and some members would just write spammy blogs, but it would be a nice trial run for those of us who would use it correctly. :)
I don't believe any regular members should be able to vote back in the rep system either. The only thing I enjoyed about rep was reading everyone else's rant blogs and some thread that popped up about it when it was at it's worst. Besides all that fun it was a mess. |
I distinctly remember all the staff-bashing that came our way during the short period when I was on the upper staff. It was never fun, but look at it this way: We can have an open vote for everyone to get involved, creating weeks of debate and banter, ultimately allowing people who are either apathetic to the issue or can't relate to it at all casting empty votes that may outnumber the people who are legitimately concerned or knowledgeable, or we could leave our trust in the small group of people that are known to be responsible and mature enough to come to decisions quickly.
I vote for the latter. Besides, the staff is quite used to taking heat from unpopular decisions by now. |
On small scale things, yes. More large scale things that really affect every member should be decided by the higher ups.
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Really, my only problem with this forum is the 25 character limit. That crap is retarded, no lie.
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And having members vote on things is a terrible idea. The forum would be incredibly slow (seriously, what member would have given up name changes since everyone was so obsessed with getting a new one every 2 days), clunky, and chaotic. There's a reason things are done by people who have proven themselves to be mature (after we got rid of people jumping on board for owning a website...). |
No, PC has too many conflicting ideas and stuff to ever get anything done. Members would bicker too much and nothing would come from it.
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Nah. Im pretty satisfied with the way things are now. The staff is doing a good job. i probably wouldn't know what i'd want anyways XD
some of the decisions the staff has made may have been unpopular, but i think in the end its for the best. thats why they were chosen oAo yeah the character limits are annoying at times, but thats to make conversations more interesting oAo who wants to see a thread filled with replies like ''lol'' "i agree" "Thats cool" etc etc :C |
Wow, I was just thinking about this earlier.
I think we should get more input overall, though being friends with Audy/Erica has its advantages... so meh. XD; Being able to vote for PC president, anyone? :D |
Right now, I see no problem with how things are run, which is more than I can say for other forums that I've removed myself from. As for PC, the staff does a very good job with making decisions that affect the board, and I'd hate to see bad things happen by giving the power to make decisions to people who aren't mature enough to make good ones.
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Eh, I don't know. I do kind of miss rep, but again, it's not the end of the world if I'm not entitled to vote on huge things. At the end of the day, I'm a member, and I respect where I am on the food-chain. I joined as a member, knowing what I would and wouldn't be able to do and I respect that.
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Also you know full well there are some staff who view of themselves as above other members. But kudos on turning my original, fun topic into a self percieved attack on the staff. |
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If there's one thing I've really learned it's that the smaller your team, the tighter your results. I've tried running a site with a staff of twenty or so and it just didn't hold together and we were constantly at each others throats. Now I'm running a much more successful site with a staff of only five, and we all get along famously. Further, look at the difference between mainstream game development and indie game development. Smaller teams - usually just one or two people - are able craft games that are much more focused due to a healthier work environment, and due to the fact that they aren't having to deal with so many voices at once. The more people you have working, the more time you have to spend sorting through everyone's two cents. Democracy isn't all it's cracked up to be. There is a staff for a reason. Letting the community have any real say, especially with such a large community as this one, would be pretty disastrous. Empirical data aside, that should be common sense. Quote:
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My advice is the same no matter what I personally thought of what Aus posted. |
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I think honestly, they're there for a reason so their opinions are generally okay.
Honestly though if people are gonna get riled up over a staff decision, take a look at yourself. Getting angry over a fun little Pokemon forum xD |
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Curious; I didn't literally mean name changes, that was just an example of a big community change, one that there wasn't an alternative to, I understand that. |
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I think it would be interesting to let more members have a say in PC issues, but trying to figure out the logistics of it would be kind of a disaster. :s
I mean, sometimes it's already hard to decide which decisions are best left to Staff Admins, which include all admins, which are higher staff only, and the ones that involve the whole staff. :s And honestly, when we DO make decisions at even the moderator level, it often takes forever because there are so many opinions to take into account and with big issues, you never want to make a black-and-white decision. :/ It's not as easy as throwing up a poll and saying "Do we want to suspend name changes because x?" and letting people vote yes or no. There are discussions to be had, possible alternatives to consider, and tons of ideas to go through. Name changes weren't a mod-level decision but even if they had been, it would've taken much longer to debate than it originally did just in the Mod Lounge. Now translate that down to Q&F (or even the VIP Forum for Supporters) and you exponentially increase the time it takes to discuss. :( Threads derail so easily when more people are talking in them. So any discussions that did come from it would take forever to root through and a general consensus would be near-impossible. For decisions that DO only require a yes/no answer, I guess it would be interesting to take them out of the staff forums once in a while, but I'm having trouble thinking of any issues that really match this requisite. XD; |
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Should members be able to post their own calendar events & approve them? |
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As a roleplayer I have very little difficulty meeting the 25 character limit and often don't even think about it. It's just that easy for me to meet. I think people just need to realize this is not an instant messenger, so they should not be posting things less than 1/4 as large as a Tweet. Ever thought of it that way? That's right, 25 characters is THAT little. The previous sentence was well over 25 characters. |
In my opinion, letting members having more of a say in what goes on in pokecommunity couldn't do too much harm for the forum. However, I wouldn't entirely agree if members were to have any added power as such. For example, if there were to be a vote on a suggestion which staff are against yet members are all for and the members' choice wins by majority, it may not be what is best for the forum in terms of how it runs.
In contrast with this, members do have the option to post a thread outlining their questions or suggestions for the community within CQ&F. Though this doesn't exactly mean that members have extra power but at least if they have a good idea in their head, it will be taken into consideration and all members have the opportunity to cast their opinion on the matter. As I think it had been stated above whilst I was reading through the thread, staff are as just as much of members as those who are not on the forum leaders page. The rules apply to every member equally thus making the way in which we post equal with the exception of the certain extra power of having access to a mod/admin CP. So rather than having thousands of people all discussing a topic and wether or not it should be implemented we have the staff members who -by majority- have been at PC for quite a while and know the ropes and how far they can bounce off them. Of course any member's opinion is as valid as those on the staff but rather than having every topic open to the public where there may be many many replies which may take a lot of time to analyze, we have a handful of members discussing it. It's rare a wrong decision is made. In contrast with that, I agree that sometimes members are a little cut off from the decisions that go through on PC and it would be nice to see some things be more publicized but of course to an extent. It's best to keep the major decisions behind the scenes and possibly some more light hearted or less serious ones out in the open so that the average PC goer can fling their two cents on the table and feel as if they have had more of an input on what happens on PC. I'm not sure on an example of what might be a good public discussion when it comes to a 2 way decision but it'd be something I'd like to see somewhere down the line. |
Woah, guys, I'm not suggesting the staff actually implement this, that'd be crazy, I was just talking hyperthetically.
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After listening to my BW Legendary idea, so they do a great job! They listen and have our best interest at heart. Though I hate the Board closing, especially when it's surpassed one page.
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On the other hand, the staff do have to put up with some pretty gnarly whiny babies here, so I feel that they're entitled to be a little bit snarky at you if you're honestly breaking a rule with complete disregard and disrespect...especially when you're on the receiving end of discipline. With that being said, I will agree that sometimes a small group of staff members can get a little more 'arrogant' than a larger group of staff members can. This is in no way insulting the current staff, or their ideals of a small group being effective, but I still think that a few more members of staff couldn't harm the team dynamic at all if they choose them carefully. Of course not all of the staff members are arrogant, in fact, most of the upper staff are quite friendly most of the time and most of the moderators are the same way. Sure, you're going to have some hard-ass staff members on the team to take care of the trouble spots, but in no way are they that terribly bad off. To be honest, I'm kinda glad the Community Site Admins got the boot, because things are much quieter. I will admit that I opposed this decision vehemently myself, because the CS admins were nice guys, but I suppose there was just this 'arrogance' on the part of the lower admins who earned their positions. The CS admins didn't help things either, they simply treated the lower admins poorly and paid little attention to procedure...so in the end it wasn't too bad of a decision. What really killed things for the CS admins was that they simply rage quit after a short period of being stuck at Staff Admin level. (Immature much?) With all that being said, I feel that members SHOULD have MUCH MORE say in what goes on around PC, when it comes down to simple decisions which aren't critical to operation or staffing itself. I do hate how sometimes if staff are discussing a matter in public (like via IRC in the public access channel) tend to treat members who chime in with their two cents like dirt. I've gotten a lot of enmity from staff for chiming in my two cents around when I can, but to be honest, I just wish the same things for PC that the staff does, and I've been here as long as some of the senior staff members. o.o |
'Cause you know PokeCommunity is facist.
I do like the idea of a bit more democracy in PC's systems, some things do need a change. The 25 character limit, should just leave at 4 words, since [filler] comments are more caused by this. Creating more SPAM. >.>" Some things that people are infracted for seems a bit over-edge, but the Staff do a wonderful job running this page. Who knows, without them, PC might be worse-mannered then 4Chan! I declare May 14th "Hug a Staff Member Day" :D |
As long as staff are consistently chosen from the plebeians, everything should be running smoothly, and be acceptable enough for a strong majority. It's only a Pokemon forum, anyway; nothing revolutionary.
I laugh hard at the people that talk about the performance of the staff, as if it has any relevance. |
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