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curiousnathan May 13th, 2010 3:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox♠ (Post 5796232)

Curious; I didn't literally mean name changes, that was just an example of a big community change, one that there wasn't an alternative to, I understand that.

Oh sorry, haha. But I do actually think that PC is doing fine and without many people realiseing, we already vote. We are all moderators making PC safe and productive.

Fox♠ May 13th, 2010 3:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Curious. (Post 5796238)

Oh sorry, haha. But I do actually think that PC is doing fine and without many people realiseing, we already vote. We are all moderators making PC safe and productive.

Nah it's cool I probably didn't word it very clearly. By "we are all making PC safe" do you mean via reporting?

curiousnathan May 13th, 2010 3:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox♠ (Post 5796243)
Nah it's cool I probably didn't word it very clearly. By "we are all making PC safe" do you mean via reporting?

I probably didn't word that write either, and yes; I meant reporting so the community is productive.

Cherrim May 13th, 2010 5:05 AM

I think it would be interesting to let more members have a say in PC issues, but trying to figure out the logistics of it would be kind of a disaster. :s

I mean, sometimes it's already hard to decide which decisions are best left to Staff Admins, which include all admins, which are higher staff only, and the ones that involve the whole staff. :s And honestly, when we DO make decisions at even the moderator level, it often takes forever because there are so many opinions to take into account and with big issues, you never want to make a black-and-white decision. :/

It's not as easy as throwing up a poll and saying "Do we want to suspend name changes because x?" and letting people vote yes or no. There are discussions to be had, possible alternatives to consider, and tons of ideas to go through. Name changes weren't a mod-level decision but even if they had been, it would've taken much longer to debate than it originally did just in the Mod Lounge. Now translate that down to Q&F (or even the VIP Forum for Supporters) and you exponentially increase the time it takes to discuss. :( Threads derail so easily when more people are talking in them. So any discussions that did come from it would take forever to root through and a general consensus would be near-impossible.

For decisions that DO only require a yes/no answer, I guess it would be interesting to take them out of the staff forums once in a while, but I'm having trouble thinking of any issues that really match this requisite. XD;

Ho-Oh May 13th, 2010 5:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lightning (Post 5796374)
For decisions that DO only require a yes/no answer, I guess it would be interesting to take them out of the staff forums once in a while, but I'm having trouble thinking of any issues that really match this requisite. XD;

Should Erica and Audy get together?

Should members be able to post their own calendar events & approve them?

Dawn May 13th, 2010 7:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow (Post 5795688)


If your post doesn't have 25 characters, it's not worth it to be posted. And you really shouldn't abbreviate anything as "S&M." Just sayin'...

And having members vote on things is a terrible idea. The forum would be incredibly slow (seriously, what member would have given up name changes since everyone was so obsessed with getting a new one every 2 days), clunky, and chaotic. There's a reason things are done by people who have proven themselves to be mature (after we got rid of people jumping on board for owning a website...).

I know right? What is the abbreviated form of what he was trying to say?

As a roleplayer I have very little difficulty meeting the 25 character limit and often don't even think about it. It's just
that easy for me to meet.

I think people just need to realize this is not an instant messenger, so they should not be posting things less than 1/4 as large as a Tweet.


Ever thought of it that way? That's right, 25 characters is THAT little. The previous sentence was well over 25 characters.

seeker May 14th, 2010 8:16 AM

In my opinion, letting members having more of a say in what goes on in pokecommunity couldn't do too much harm for the forum. However, I wouldn't entirely agree if members were to have any added power as such. For example, if there were to be a vote on a suggestion which staff are against yet members are all for and the members' choice wins by majority, it may not be what is best for the forum in terms of how it runs.

In contrast with this, members do have the option to post a thread outlining their questions or suggestions for the community within CQ&F. Though this doesn't exactly mean that members have extra power but at least if they have a good idea in their head, it will be taken into consideration and all members have the opportunity to cast their opinion on the matter.

As I think it had been stated above whilst I was reading through the thread, staff are as just as much of members as those who are not on the forum leaders page. The rules apply to every member equally thus making the way in which we post equal with the exception of the certain extra power of having access to a mod/admin CP. So rather than having thousands of people all discussing a topic and wether or not it should be implemented we have the staff members who -by majority- have been at PC for quite a while and know the ropes and how far they can bounce off them. Of course any member's opinion is as valid as those on the staff but rather than having every topic open to the public where there may be many many replies which may take a lot of time to analyze, we have a handful of members discussing it. It's rare a wrong decision is made.

In contrast with that, I agree that sometimes members are a little cut off from the decisions that go through on PC and it would be nice to see some things be more publicized but of course to an extent. It's best to keep the major decisions behind the scenes and possibly some more light hearted or less serious ones out in the open so that the average PC goer can fling their two cents on the table and feel as if they have had more of an input on what happens on PC. I'm not sure on an example of what might be a good public discussion when it comes to a 2 way decision but it'd be something I'd like to see somewhere down the line.

Fox♠ May 14th, 2010 11:29 AM

Woah, guys, I'm not suggesting the staff actually implement this, that'd be crazy, I was just talking hyperthetically.

Bluerang1 May 14th, 2010 12:54 PM

After listening to my BW Legendary idea, so they do a great job! They listen and have our best interest at heart. Though I hate the Board closing, especially when it's surpassed one page.

Melody May 14th, 2010 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by T3h Kaiser (Post 5796220)
I'm not even sure I fully understand what you're trying to insinuate here. I know full well what the original "inflammatory comment" was, and I never said it was a very nice thing to say. My point still stands: you are turning this into a situation, when all you needed to do was speak with Aus privately. Please understand that all you are doing right now is derailing the thread further, which is what you claimed to be outraged about in the first place.

Stop for a moment and realize that Fox is a former staff member himself. He is quite right about the staff being able to derail a thread without getting any apparent action on them. It's clearly a case of "Who will Guard the Guardians?" here.

On the other hand, the staff do have to put up with some pretty gnarly whiny babies here, so I feel that they're entitled to be a little bit snarky at you if you're honestly breaking a rule with complete disregard and disrespect...especially when you're on the receiving end of discipline.

With that being said, I will agree that sometimes a small group of staff members can get a little more 'arrogant' than a larger group of staff members can. This is in no way insulting the current staff, or their ideals of a small group being effective, but I still think that a few more members of staff couldn't harm the team dynamic at all if they choose them carefully. Of course not all of the staff members are arrogant, in fact, most of the upper staff are quite friendly most of the time and most of the moderators are the same way. Sure, you're going to have some hard-ass staff members on the team to take care of the trouble spots, but in no way are they that terribly bad off.

To be honest, I'm kinda glad the Community Site Admins got the boot, because things are much quieter. I will admit that I opposed this decision vehemently myself, because the CS admins were nice guys, but I suppose there was just this 'arrogance' on the part of the lower admins who earned their positions. The CS admins didn't help things either, they simply treated the lower admins poorly and paid little attention to procedure...so in the end it wasn't too bad of a decision. What really killed things for the CS admins was that they simply rage quit after a short period of being stuck at Staff Admin level. (Immature much?)

With all that being said, I feel that members SHOULD have MUCH MORE say in what goes on around PC, when it comes down to simple decisions which aren't critical to operation or staffing itself. I do hate how sometimes if staff are discussing a matter in public (like via IRC in the public access channel) tend to treat members who chime in with their two cents like dirt. I've gotten a lot of enmity from staff for chiming in my two cents around when I can, but to be honest, I just wish the same things for PC that the staff does, and I've been here as long as some of the senior staff members. o.o

Weatherman, Kiyoshi May 14th, 2010 4:49 PM

'Cause you know PokeCommunity is facist.

I do like the idea of a bit more democracy in PC's systems, some things do need a change.

The 25 character limit, should just leave at 4 words, since [filler] comments are more caused by this. Creating more SPAM. >.>"

Some things that people are infracted for seems a bit over-edge,
but the Staff do a wonderful job running this page.

Who knows, without them, PC might be worse-mannered then 4Chan!

I declare May 14th "Hug a Staff Member Day" :D

TheUltimateSacrifice May 14th, 2010 11:39 PM

As long as staff are consistently chosen from the plebeians, everything should be running smoothly, and be acceptable enough for a strong majority. It's only a Pokemon forum, anyway; nothing revolutionary.

I laugh hard at the people that talk about the performance of the staff, as if it has any relevance.


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