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Can the anime redeem itself in 5th gen?
Personally, I say yes. But a few things have to happen first. While it'd be ideal if they got rid of Ash all together, it's obvious that won't happen, so here's a list of the five things, imo, that the anime should do to become watchable once again.
#5 Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character. #4 The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well. #3 Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once. #2 More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting. #1! Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean. Now, what do you think the anime should do to become entertaining again? |
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I doubt that it would. If they didn't redeemed themselves on the 4th gen, it won't happen in the 5th. But, hey. Maybe the Female Protagonist will be a hot-head and be the opposite of Ash's female companion so far and actually be a competition, a threat and also a main character. There's one thing I'd want them to improve. Don't re-use the storyline! What happened in the first season, can't be the storyline for the 4th!
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I think it has the ability to redeem itself, prolly cause Ash might possibly hang out with a teenager. :O lol
And I agree with #1, they take forever to get to one city to the next for me. :( |
I doubt it.
1st season and 3rd (Kanto and Johto I think) were ok, cheesy, but withstandable. Now its an amazing feat of strength and fortitude to get through one episode. But then again, theres something about the anime that just makes you want to keep watching, despite all the ridiculous ideas/lines etc the characters have. |
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Also lets see pikachu do something other than Iron tail and Volt tackle. Please? oh and could we have team rocket back to their former glory? |
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It's been a while since I forced my opinion on someone. Good old days.
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Also, Pokémon Contests are supposed to be aimed at girls so it would only be expected that May & Dawn participated in it and not Brendan & Lucas. Quote:
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Well, here are some things I would personally change to make the show better.
Raise the demographic It’s possible to make a show that is as appealing to a younger audience as it is an older one. Just look at shows like Avatar: the Last Airbender and the likes. You don’t have to stoop the show down to the levels of Dora the Explorer and all that jazz. Better travelling partners Brock is fine. I like his role as the “one sane guy” in the group (if he’s still playing that role. Haven’t watched recent episodes). But characters like Dawn, May, and Max are inexcusable. They’re just ANNOYING. Especially Max, one of the worst things I’ve seen on my television. And how about a female partner that wouldn’t make fans start crafting ships? Is it so hard for Ash and the girl to not have their flirty moments? It’s really starting to make Ash look like a sleezball or something, playing all of these girls. Next thing you know he’ll be saying stuff like, “I’ve got hoes in different area codes”. More development between Ash and Pikachu I know they’ve been buddies for years now, but I feel like Ash and Pikachu clicked too quick. By the third episode way back in Kanto, they were BFF’s. Now, there hasn’t been a single episode to really develop their relationship besides the occasional episode every 100 episodes or so, which usually is just about a rival with a Raichu, or a training montage to overcome a difficult Gym Leader. I’d like to know more about my heroes, please. About filler… I’m not gonna complain. I hate a lot of the “Characters-of-the-Days” but, really, they have to fill the 3 ½ year gap between generations with something. |
I'm a big fan of the original pokemon. The anime has just gotten so smarmy lately, it's like a big smarm sandwich with smarm dressing. What bugs me most is that all the characters are interchangeable. Any line could be said by any one of them, and it wouldn't change a thing; they've become a like a sticky gum Frankenstein, one big blob of character traits that they rarely if ever deviate from. I loved when the female protag was a hot headed, fire cracker sweetheart with a big attitude; and Brock was silly and playful (because he had to take care of his little siblings?) and fell over any pretty girl because he was just so flattering and extroverted; and when Ash wasn't the epitome of a perfect trainer, he was just a kid with giant dreams and his head in the clouds and kind of a dork, because every kid could identify with that. I guess they all had to experience character growth, but the growth has stopped because the franchise has lived on, I think. If I were the boss, I would put the poor show out if its misery. All the creativity has been replaced by flashy attacks and sparkly contests and the generic theme of bland, easily-won heroism. But I'm probably just an old die-hard, reminiscing on those halcyon days when I would run to my bedroom after school every day just in time to watch "Tower of Terror" or "Pokemon Shipwreck", and when James didn't sound like he had a nasty sinus infection. So I guess what I'm saying is that I doubt the 5th generation will be any better than the last, because the characters have nowhere to go but downhill anymore.
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I'd like to see a lot more strategy and complexity, like in the manga. Battles in the anime now are like you said, command and attack. I'd like to see more uniqueness.
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1. What kills me is the fact that Pikachu,No offense to anyone who like Pikachu, is that they make Pikachu seem like it can destroy every type of pokemon (most of the time) with Thunderbolt or an Electric move.
2. That and in the First and Second Gen Ash got all 3 Starters. In 3rd they Each main character got one (Ex.Max but then again He befriended Deoxys and Jarachi and other pokemon).But in the Forth Gen Brock got left out which is a good thing in my opinion because there now evolving all the starters.Except for Dawn which again is basically saying what dude is saying up in the first post. |
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FYI Dawn doesn't suck in battles. Did you even WATCH the episodes? Did you, in case, watch the tag battles? Same for May. Yes, I don't remember seeing her have trainer battles, but the contests weren't as elegant and frilly as you think. Like the battle against Drew. Quote:
We had that male newbie who wanted to catch a Yanma. Ash stepped in to help. (With Dawn and Brock, but still.) Your point? Quote:
If the battles are dangerous, you are endangering your Pokemon, your partner and your friend. Forfeit as soon as possible. Quote:
Do you see the trainers in the routes? Take them as the filler characters and you'll see what I mean. Quote:
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Yay, I get to argue with someone. I was getting a little bored honestly.
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Heres an Idea lets end the series all together and start a brand new pokemon series following new characters in generation 5 yet still having some ties to the originals. Why not have say Gary become a professor in the new series and have him hand out the starters to the generation of heroes, and have brock and misty become new gym leaders in the new region and have ash play the role as champion or something.
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The only way it can "redeem" itself in the eyes of many grown fans, is to stop trying to appeal to the new young generations, and go back to the roots and become more "teen" friendly as an anime. Right now it's too mushy for any 16 year old or older to take any interest in, for all the obvious reasons stated above. It would need a darker plot, a higher animation budget and some bad ass character concepts to "redeem" itself.
But that's just my two cents. |
Honestly, Bring Team Rocket bacccck. They are hilarious. Luv em.
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So let me get this right, you want Ash who has been here forever be on equal grounds as the newbie kid who just arrived? Really? I say make Ash more powerful. He's been here forever, what kind of person wants him to go back to being a less powerful kind of guy? Than fans would complain about how weak he's become, come on. D/P has already done this, do expect Ash to be like this every generation? I've been fine with D/P I've liked all the twists and turns they've taken. Now if they really do have Ash travel with teens next Generation, than I'd understand cuz the guy would have been traveling around longer than Ash even. However, newbie kid? No, just no. Now I would like it if Dawn stayed but that's unlikely, better way to improve the series is have the new girl do some thing different, I'm tired of each new girl doing contests, I say switch it up. Than we can have the guys do contests, so we don't have to get rid of them. I mean there are guys that do them, Kenny and Drew and Harley and Nando. Why can't a male main character do them?
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1. MORE GARY!
2. Pikachu FINALLY evolves, mainstay my ass..... 3. MORE MATURE, Im tired of this constant appeal 2 the new yunger generation UGH, we need blood, cussin, skin, darker bad ass characters, etc |
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I do agree though that the anime should grow to an extent where it can interest its remaining older viewers. I'd think this would increase the popularity of the show and help build it as far as fan base goes. A change in pattern would also help. Make the show less predictable and keep viewers at the edge of their seats wanting to keep watching. A deeper plot and more intell on things would be best. Keep the show to its roots, but mix things up in a way where it doesn't get old too quickly. With this, I think the anime would go right back on track, and move forward from there. |
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1.) Yes, but they already screwed Gary up. So I think they should bring in Silver for a change. He should have had his debut LONG ago but for some reason they did Johto weird and he never appeared. Or maybe even Masky! 2.) Pikachu doesn't need to evolve. He needs to DIE. 3.) I don't believe it has to be THAT wild. Now it would be awesome if it was, I'll say that, but I want it to be more like... Well, the manga portrays it. And now, I'm not a huge fan of the manga, I hate what they did to Silver, but I love it for it's violence and threats and stuff. I want to see Arbok get slashed in half, Pokemon bodies rot away, I even liked how the Masked Man actually threatened to end the lives of two children. THAT is what I want to see in Pokemon. More seriousness. Definitely darker. More evil. |
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