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Izanagi May 14th, 2010 4:48 PM

I haven't seen said video, so I can't exactly rightly judge, but, really, do you have to see the video to know that the dance would be innapropriate? Especially for the public eye?

Melody May 14th, 2010 4:49 PM

Honestly, we as a society need to stop trying to hide these kinds of things from the little kids. I say that the sooner the younger learn about the realities of life, the sooner they are prepared to maturely handle things.

With that being said, I strongly disagree with the fact that some of the topics that society tries to hide from kids are natural parts of being human and living. It's understandable to prohibit kids from trying to have their own kids, but it's pointless to keep them in the dark about it...if you force them to learn about it the hard way they'll make even stupider mistakes than they would if they were taught properly.

shookie May 14th, 2010 5:21 PM

I know what video you're talking about, and it's kind of a weird thing to approach. I really see most of the blame falling into the hands of the parents in this case, though. The parents are, after all, the ones who okayed the song decision, helped the children learn the moves, and are the ones with the money that went towards the outfits. The girls are simply emulating something they saw, which in this case would be the original music video for the song. It's up to the parents to tell them that that the clothes, dancing and so on are not appropriate for them.

A few people have tried to argue that it could have been the kids that wanted to do it, as in they ended up throwing a fit or having a tantrum when their parents told them no, which is still the fault of the parent's. When you're faced with something like that you can't back down when they start crying, at some point you really need to draw the line before it gets out of hand.

hiphiphippo May 14th, 2010 6:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shookie (Post 5800201)
A few people have tried to argue that it could have been the kids that wanted to do it, as in they ended up throwing a fit or having a tantrum when their parents told them no, which is still the fault of the parent's. When you're faced with something like that you can't back down when they start crying, at some point you really need to draw the line before it gets out of hand.

i don't think that's very likely. an adult must've supported them and helped them with the choreography, etc.

i would say it'd be more appropriate if only they wore less revealing clothes ofc

but i must admit, they were really pro. o;

Sydian May 14th, 2010 6:15 PM

Um, they're amazing. I think the uniform is a little too much. And I thought the majorette uniform was too revealing, and the majorettes at my school are 15-18 years old. I think some, not all, of the moves are a little controversial. But the parents did allow their children to learn and perform this, so if they're complaining, then they shouldn't have let them learn.

I personally wouldn't take it too seriously, though some of those moves could be taken out because of the age group. But I'm also a lover of dance. I hope I someday have a daughter that takes up on it. It'd make me more proud than anything, however I don't want my 7 year old dancing like this. Maybe when she's 18, and preferably not in a club and on the school dance line, but certainly not 7. To get to the point, I think that some of the moves shouldn't be in it and the uniforms need to be changed. You can see their rib cages when they move. I know they can't help it. 7 year olds aren't the biggest people, but even still. Let's not show that to the world.

Edit: Wanted to add that the move where the lead dancer (I assume she is anyway) holds her leg up in the air next to her face is learned in dance classes. I have friends on the dance line who do this, and where'd they learn it? At a younger age in their dance class. So if that's one of the moves in question, I see nothing wrong with it. It's in a ballet course, if I recall.

Zet May 14th, 2010 6:16 PM

I don't know why some people get so worked up about it if they're fine with little girls wearing ****ty clothing.

Timbjerr May 14th, 2010 6:48 PM

I just watched that video and now I feel dirty. D:

I'm not gonna deny that those girls are good dancers, because they really are. But those outfits...ugh...and some of those moves...god...This is the reason pedophiles exist. >_>

Yusshin May 14th, 2010 6:57 PM

I'm actually on the other side of Pachy's views.

Children under 10 are more subsceptible to messages; if they're told and applauded for dancing in ****ty clothing, they're going to be brainwashed for the rest of their lives that doing that = amazing = good. It's not good. It's disgusting, it's wrong, and the parents who support this need to grow up themselves and learn a little about influences and child psychology :|

SIN1488 May 14th, 2010 7:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5800407)
This is the reason pedophiles exist. >_>

Sort of, did you know the leading cause of pedophilia is....... SEXY KIDS!

At least that's what some bear once told me...... :laugh:


Anyways, it's really not that big of a deal. The worse that will happen from this is some young girls see it and want to be like them. Which, now that I think about it, could be the whole reason why they did this dance in the first place, because they saw Beyonce do it.....

But really, who designed those costumes? Black and red? I couldn't help but think they looked like prostitots.... And as I was getting to earlier, how does this really affect anything? Oh wait, it doesn't affect anything in a bad way, and people are whining about nothing AGAIN? >_<

Åzurε May 14th, 2010 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5800425)
I'm actually on the other side of Pachy's views.

Children under 10 are more subsceptible to messages; if they're told and applauded for dancing in ****ty clothing, they're going to be brainwashed for the rest of their lives that doing that = amazing = good. It's not good. It's disgusting, it's wrong, and the parents who support this need to grow up themselves and learn a little about influences and child psychology :|

It's kinda like this. You can "teach them about the harsh realities of life", and desensitize them to the oversexualized climate of society, or protect them from it and whenever it comes up, teach them it's not a good thing, and eventually they may even try to change it a bit.

TheUltimateSacrifice May 14th, 2010 11:31 PM

Just a few kiddies desperate for attention, and society's collective senses are too numbed down, it's people too desensitised, to discern any culpability.

Esper May 15th, 2010 1:08 PM

I hope those kids' parents talk to them about the differences between good attention and bad attention and how it's important for people to respect them as people and not objects.

PokemonLeagueChamp May 15th, 2010 1:38 PM

I think it's ****ed up. This shows where kids these days have gotten. I can understand high school age, or even middle school age, but 7? C'mon now, that's a bit worrisome.

TRIFORCE89 May 15th, 2010 4:45 PM

The bigger issue, I think, is how they're dressed rather than the dance moves (a least...based on the like...20 second clip I saw on TV).

I don't blame the kids though. They're just following instructions. Their teacher (or whoever set it up) is an idiot for dressing them up, parading them around like that, and sexualizing them.

Aureol May 15th, 2010 5:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 5800425)
I'm actually on the other side of Pachy's views.

Children under 10 are more subsceptible to messages; if they're told and applauded for dancing in ****ty clothing, they're going to be brainwashed for the rest of their lives that doing that = amazing = good. It's not good. It's disgusting, it's wrong, and the parents who support this need to grow up themselves and learn a little about influences and child psychology :|

I agree pretty much. While we shouldn't be hiding discussion on topics from kids, we DO need to prevent this kind of behavior. A 7-year-old learning about how kids are made is fine. A 7-year-old observing a girl doing an, er, eye-catching dance while everyone is saying how good it is is NOT something we should be allowing. Let the child learn, but don't let the child practice.

Rich Boy Rob May 16th, 2010 4:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pachy (Post 5800153)
Honestly, we as a society need to stop trying to hide these kinds of things from the little kids. I say that the sooner the younger learn about the realities of life, the sooner they are prepared to maturely handle things.

With that being said, I strongly disagree with the fact that some of the topics that society tries to hide from kids are natural parts of being human and living. It's understandable to prohibit kids from trying to have their own kids, but it's pointless to keep them in the dark about it...if you force them to learn about it the hard way they'll make even stupider mistakes than they would if they were taught properly.

I strongly agree.

The dance seems fine to me. They're good dancers and they were dancing, sure the tops could've been a bit longer, but other than that I don't see anything wrong with it. They were hardly pole dancing anyway, they were dancing to a legitimate dance routine.

Fox♠ May 17th, 2010 9:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5800407)
This is the reason pedophiles exist. >_>

This, Pachy, is why we hide these things from kids, because believe it or not, children in ****ty clothing and dancing suggestively do infact you know, encourage paedophilia.

I can't believe Timbjerr was the only one to raise that point, because it is the most important one by far.


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