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Iceshadow3317 July 15th, 2010 5:24 PM

It's hard to tell. There is still a lot of possable routes around the mountains and northern part of the map. Plus if the docks do go to another island then that even more.

rocky505 July 15th, 2010 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zackraa (Post 5972157)
ITT: Americans in denial that Isshu is based in China, Hiun is Shanghai and that Wooguru is a Chinese eagle

Why the heck would a red white and blue white headed eagle with a head dress by a Chinese eagle. It is a bald eagle. Bald Eagle were worshiped by native americans which explains the head dress and it is red white and blue which explains it being a bald eagle and it's head is also white just like a bald eagle. USA all the way. (Also I see no great wall of China so it can't be in China) jk.

MistahDude July 15th, 2010 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 5973235)
Why the heck would a red white and blue white headed eagle with a head dress by a Chinese eagle. It is a bald eagle. Bald Eagle were worshiped by native americans which explains the head dress and it is red white and blue which explains it being a bald eagle and it's head is also white just like a bald eagle. USA all the way. (Also I see no great wall of China so it can't be in China) jk.

Reasons why Wooguru/Wargle screams America:
1) Bald Eagle is the symbol of America
2) Red, White, and Blue are the colors of America
3) Native American Headdress is on his head
4) Name is a fusion between War and Eagle. Americans are known for devastating war power.
5) Has the same build of a Bald Eagle
6) PICTURE:

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/194/4/7/5th_Gen__Pokemon__Wooguru_by_Ultimatepkmnfan.pnghttp://www.tobinphoto.com/images/photos/bald_eagle.jpg

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5972747)

Well china has a desert too(the Gobi desert), two rivers and mountains, a lake,etc. so it's still not settled...
Yeah I want to know who many routes we will have too.

Why would Nintendo possibly put a American bird in China? It makes no sense.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 15th, 2010 9:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5973256)
Reasons why Wooguru/Wargle screams America:
1) Bald Eagle is the symbol of America
2) Red, White, and Blue are the colors of America
3) Native American Headdress is on his head
4) Name is a fusion between War and Eagle. Americans are known for devastating war power.
5) Has the same build of a Bald Eagle
6) PICTURE:

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/194/4/7/5th_Gen__Pokemon__Wooguru_by_Ultimatepkmnfan.pnghttp://www.tobinphoto.com/images/photos/bald_eagle.jpg



Why would Nintendo possibly put a American bird in China? It makes no sense.

The Geography matters more than that pokemon and Shanghai's geography matches more that of Isshu than of New york , like I said beforethe Regi's are a Hebrew symbol did that mean that Hoenn was in Israel? No Hoenn was in Japan :P

Yamikarasu July 15th, 2010 9:32 PM

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Pokemon-NYC.jpg

So why do people not think it's based on New York after seeing this? Huin City is exactly where the big, iconic financial district of New York City is located. There are corresponding islands in the Issue region for the real-world islands off the coast.

As if this were an issue of "OMG I'M AN AMERICAN SO F-YEAH GO AMERICUH!" If someone else can present better evidence then this then so be it.

EDIT: Sorry, I wasn't aware of the possibility it could be Shanghai. Still, I think that Isshu being "far away" makes it more likely to be New York City, and Wooguru does look a lot like a bald eagle.

MistahDude July 15th, 2010 9:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5973341)

The Geography matters more than that pokemon and Shanghai's geography matches more that of Isshu than of New york , like I said beforethe Regi's are a Hebrew symbol did that mean that Hoenn was in Israel? No Hoenn was in Japan :P

Isshu fits ALL of america more than just New york. Heck it could be all of North America.

Also, it could be BASED off of America. It doesn't mean everything has to be where it is supposed to be. Hiun city is obviously Baltimore. Baltimore is the greatest port city in America.

There is the Golden Gate bridge in Isshu, and thats in San Francisco, California.

There is a large desert which is Arizona or even Mexico. The towns near the Mountains could be Montana and Idaho.

There are two mountain ranges. Those could be the Rocky Mountains and the other could be the Appalachian Mountains.

The carnival area could very well be Coney Island.

Wooguru being based off of American symbols adds to this theory.

Zet July 15th, 2010 9:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5973256)
Reasons why Wooguru/Wargle screams America:
1) Bald Eagle is the symbol of America
2) Red, White, and Blue are the colors of America
3) Native American Headdress is on his head
4) Name is a fusion between War and Eagle. Americans are known for devastating war power.
5) Has the same build of a Bald Eagle
6) PICTURE:

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/194/4/7/5th_Gen__Pokemon__Wooguru_by_Ultimatepkmnfan.pnghttp://www.tobinphoto.com/images/photos/bald_eagle.jpg


Why would Nintendo possibly put a American bird in China? It makes no sense.

What about the Americanized creatures that are already in the regions that are based on Japan? Your theory has now been disproved, please stop screaming "HELL YEAAAHHH!!!11!1 ISSHU IS AMERICA BECAUSE OF THE EAGLE WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN AMERICA AND A FEW OTHER COUNTRIES BUT SCREW THEM WE ARE BETTER111!!!!!!". And geological makeup says it's Shanghai, but despite the fact that it's far away it could indicate that it's really England or some other place in Europe.

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5973363)
Isshu fits ALL of america more than just New york. Heck it could be all of North America.

Also, it could be BASED off of America. It doesn't mean everything has to be where it is supposed to be. Hiun city is obviously Baltimore. Baltimore is the greatest port city in America.

There is the Golden Gate bridge in Isshu, and thats in San Francisco, California.

There is a large desert which is Arizona or even Mexico. The towns near the Mountains could be Montana and Idaho.

There are two mountain ranges. Those could be the Rocky Mountains and the other could be the Appalachian Mountains.

The carnival area could very well be Coney Island.

Wooguru being based off of American symbols adds to this theory.

You're really in denial that it isn't your low technology Country, aren't you?

MistahDude July 15th, 2010 9:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamikarasu (Post 5973352)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Pokemon-NYC.jpg

So why do people not think it's based on New York after seeing this? Huin City is exactly where the big, iconic financial district of New York City is located. There are corresponding islands in the Issue region for the real-world islands off the coast.

As if this were an issue of "OMG I'M AN AMERICAN SO F-YEAH GO AMERICUH!" If someone else can present better evidence then this then so be it.

I dont think its just New York. Its more likely to be all of America, sort of like the Orre region.

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Originally Posted by Zet (Post 5973364)
What about the Americanized creatures that are already in the regions that are based on Japan? Your theory has now been disproved, please stop screaming "HELL YEAAAHHH!!!11!1 ISSHU IS AMERICA BECAUSE OF THE EAGLE WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN AMERICA AND A FEW OTHER COUNTRIES BUT SCREW THEM WE ARE BETTER111!!!!!!". And geological makeup says it's Shanghai, but despite the fact that it's far away it could indicate that it's really England or some other place in Europe.



You're really in denial that it isn't your lower class Country, aren't you?

Lower class country? You cant just say all of a country acts or lives in the same way. Dont start flame wars.

I never said "HELL YEAAAHHH!!!11!1 ISSHU IS AMERICA BECAUSE OF THE EAGLE WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN AMERICA AND A FEW OTHER COUNTRIES BUT SCREW THEM WE ARE BETTER111!!!!!!"

Zet July 15th, 2010 9:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5973367)
I dont think its just New York. Its more likely to be all of America, sort of like the Orre region.



Lower class country? Dont start flame wars.

I never said "HELL YEAAAHHH!!!11!1 ISSHU IS AMERICA BECAUSE OF THE EAGLE WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN AMERICA AND A FEW OTHER COUNTRIES BUT SCREW THEM WE ARE BETTER111!!!!!!"

I'm not starting flame wars, merely stating that your technology isn't that great, seeing as how China makes everything for you. And I know you didn't say that, it's pretty much that you're in denial that there's a very high chance that Isshu isn't based on America.

rocky505 July 15th, 2010 9:44 PM

China doesn't make everything. Taiwan Mexico and Japan do as well heck even America makes things.

Kirbychu July 15th, 2010 9:46 PM

Is bashing America the "cool" thing to do in third-world countries? Isshu simply doesn't look like Shanghai. :/

If you can find a place in the world that actually resembles Isshu, I'll take that into consideration as well.

MistahDude July 15th, 2010 9:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 5973382)
China doesn't make everything. Taiwan Mexico and Japan do as well heck even America makes things.

Those places make things for us but we give them the designs and specifications most of the time.

Anyway back on topic:

Isshu could just be random and made up geography wise.

Haza July 15th, 2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zet (Post 5973378)
I'm not starting flame wars, merely stating that your technology isn't that great, seeing as how China makes everything for you. And I know you didn't say that, it's pretty much that you're in denial that there's a very high chance that Isshu isn't based on America.

That would easily start a flame war, someone could easily comeback at you mentioning how insignificant Australia with its Kangaroos and boomerangs is. Don't be nasty, you need us. :)
Also, the reason we have things made overseas is because we can pay them a lot less to make them... not design them.

Anyway, Isshu could easily be based on nothing, or it could be a place that we have not considered.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 15th, 2010 10:09 PM

Wow I read an article about BW in the site of troops and it had the category: Internet Backdraft and it seems that's what's happening here sadly...
OK I'll stop saying it's based on Shanghai if people stop saying it's based on America let's just ignore that for now and talk about the cool mountains they have.
I can imagine finding Snorunt and Snover there :)

Ninja Caterpie July 15th, 2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5973256)
Why would Nintendo possibly put a American bird in China? It makes no sense.

Lt. Surge is in Kanto. Your point is irrelevant.

There's too much city in New York for Isshu to be based off it, too much land in Shanghai. It is not America in general, they don't do something like that. They build it off areas, not giant landmasses.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 15th, 2010 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5973429)
Lt. Surge is in Kanto. Your point is irrelevant.

There's too much city in New York for Isshu to be based off it, too much land in Shanghai. It is not America in general, they don't do something like that. They build it off areas, not giant landmasses.

Well Hoenn is based on a huge land mass as far as Islands go...

MistahDude July 15th, 2010 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5973429)
Lt. Surge is in Kanto. Your point is irrelevant.

There's too much city in New York for Isshu to be based off it, too much land in Shanghai. It is not America in general, they don't do something like that. They build it off areas, not giant landmasses.

Hmm that makes sense man.

Ninja Caterpie July 15th, 2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5973435)
Well Hoenn is based on a huge land mass as far as Islands go...

Well, not really. It's based on Kyushu, Japan's southern-most main island.

It's probably either New York or Shanghai, but both have equal points going for and against it, we're at a complete standstill here. Let's just move on, yeah?

The world map looks stupid. A hexagon?

Haza July 15th, 2010 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5973429)
Lt. Surge is in Kanto. Your point is irrelevant.

There's too much city in New York for Isshu to be based off it, too much land in Shanghai. It is not America in general, they don't do something like that. They build it off areas, not giant landmasses.

That's why Manhattan was specified had you been reading... and looking at the pictures.
Anyway, since the city (Hiun City) is surrounded by water I wonder if the surrounding Pokmeon will be somewhat urban, and DEFORMED from pollution! :P

Also, I'm watching The Wiz right now and Emerald City could be the basis of Isshu with it's tall buildings and bridge :O #sarcasm

Bloothump July 15th, 2010 10:29 PM

Wow. Why would a children's game cause people to insult each other's intelligence and places of origin in a blatantly rude manner? Oh yeah, because we're pokemon fans. Guys, chill out. This is nothing more than a game, and whether it's based off of New York City/USA/North America or Shanghai/China, the quality of the game won't decrease in any way. Personally, I find both arguments very valid after considering both sides.

The Shanghai area is closer to Japan in proximity and culture, and it has the circular lake which looks very similar to the pokeball lake in Isshu. Likewise, Isshu's skinny and rectangular shape matches that of Manhattan a little more than the Shanghai area's, and the red bridge resembles the Golden Gate quite a bit.

I do not think Woogoru supports the America theory in any way, but I am almost positive he is a bald eagle as opposed to a Chinese eagle.

And I don't think the American PC users here are suggesting Manhattan only because they think they're the greatest, or they want it for selfish reasons or egotistical notions. In fact, the users supporting America seem to be more respectful than the Shanghai supporters, and well, Team Shanghai seems to be stating their views as fact when nothing is confirmed yet. (If anything, it seems to me, a lot of people supporting Shanghai because they DON'T want it to be America).

As it's been said, people only see what they want to see, and it works on both sides of the spectrum. So again, nothing is confirmed, both sides are equally plausible, let's all be respectful. Kthx.

Kirbychu July 15th, 2010 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 5973462)

That's why Manhattan was specified had you been reading... and looking at the pictures.
Anyway, since the city (Hiun City) is surrounded by water I wonder if the surrounding Pokmeon will be somewhat urban, and DEFORMED from pollution! :P

I'll love this game forever if they throw Pokemon like Koffing and Grimer in Hiun. They should have a new type of Pokemon like shinies. There can be two-headed Grumpigs, and Mareeps with 5 legs.

rocky505 July 15th, 2010 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5973429)
Lt. Surge is in Kanto. Your point is irrelevant.

There's too much city in New York for Isshu to be based off it, too much land in Shanghai. It is not America in general, they don't do something like that. They build it off areas, not giant landmasses.

There's too much city in Tokyo to fit in kanto but guess what it did.

MistahDude July 15th, 2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5973455)
Well, not really. It's based on Kyushu, Japan's southern-most main island.

It's probably either New York or Shanghai, but both have equal points going for and against it, we're at a complete standstill here. Let's just move on, yeah?

The world map looks stupid. A hexagon?

We haven't seen the actual in game map, only the concept art.

Bay July 15th, 2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloothump (Post 5973467)
Wow. Why would a children's game cause people to insult each other's intelligence and places of origin in a blatantly rude manner? Oh yeah, because we're pokemon fans. Guys, chill out. This is nothing more than a game, and whether it's based off of New York City/USA/North America or Shanghai/China, the quality of the game won't decrease in any way. Personally, I find both arguments very valid after considering both sides.

The Shanghai area is closer to Japan in proximity and culture, and it has the circular lake which looks very similar to the pokeball lake in Isshu. Likewise, Isshu's skinny and rectangular shape matches that of Manhattan a little more than the Shanghai area's, and the red bridge resembles the Golden Gate quite a bit.

I do not think Woogoru supports the America theory in any way, but I am almost positive he is a bald eagle as opposed to a Chinese eagle.

And I don't think the American PC users here are suggesting Manhattan only because they think they're the greatest, or they want it for selfish reasons or egotistical notions. In fact, the users supporting America seem to be more respectful than the Shanghai supporters, and well, Team Shanghai seems to be stating their views as fact when nothing is confirmed yet. (If anything, it seems to me, a lot of people supporting Shanghai because they DON'T want it to be America).

As it's been said, people only see what they want to see, and it works on both sides of the spectrum. So again, nothing is confirmed, both sides are equally plausible, let's all be respectful. Kthx.

Seriously, couldn't have said better. To me, Isshu has similarities to Shanghai and New York, but I didn't really care. All I care about is Isshu being a good region and having interesting locations. In fact, it already peaked my interest with the news of White Forest and Black City.

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5973482)
We haven't seen the actual in game map, only the concept art.

True, but it could be the chance the actual in game map will look more/less so like the concept art. And hexagon is a good shape! D:

Haza July 15th, 2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 5973473)
I'll love this game forever if they throw Pokemon like Koffing and Grimer in Hiun. They should have a new type of Pokemon like shinies. There can be two-headed Grumpigs, and Mareeps with 5 legs.

OMG! Three Horned HOUNDOOMS! Lol

but yes, I agree that we've reached a standstill, and as usual it became another excuse to bash us Americans...


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