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MistahDude May 17th, 2010 7:38 PM

151 - 251 - 386 - 493 - ???
 
I wondered how many old pokemon would be in the Isshu pokedex, so I did some math. I didn't use the Kanto or Johto Pokedexes because both of those had every pokemon up to that point.

DISCLAIMER: THESE FOLLOWING FORMULAS ARE NOT TO GUESS NINTENDO/GAME FREAK'S METHODS. THEY ARE JUST TO SHOW A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY NEW POKEMON WILL BE IN THE GAMES INSTEAD OF JUST A RANDOM NUMBER GUESS (AKA EDUCATED GUESS). THESE FORMULAS PROBABLY WON'T WORK WITH THE 5th GEN BUT I AM USING THEM TO GIVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WE COULD SEE HAPPEN.

There are 68 old pokemon in the Hoenn Pokedex. There are a total of 202 pokemon in the Hoenn Pokedex. There are a total of 134 new pokemon in the Hoenn Pokedex (A.K.A. Hoenn Pokemon).

202 - 68 = 134 (total Hoenn pokemon in 3rd gen dex - total non hoenn pokemon in 3rd gen dex)

134 / 202 ~ .6634 (amount of new divided by total)

68 / 202 ~ .34 (amount of old divided by total)


So far we know that Tsutarja/Tsutaaja is number 1, Pokabu is number 4 and Mijumaru is number 7 in the Isshu Pokedex. We also know that Chiraamii is number 78.

.6634 * 78 ~ 52 (percent new times total known thus far)

.34 * 78 ~ 26 (percent old times total known thus far)


If we take the number of pokemon that we know of so far and apply the ratio we get 52 new pokemon to 26 old pokemon.

I did the math for the previous generations to see how many pokemon they added for each generation. This is total pokemon, not just new pokemon:

They added 151 pokemon in Kanto.
They added 100 pokemon from Kanto to Jhoto.
They added 135 pokemon from Jhoto to Hoenn.
They added 107 pokemon from Hoenn to Sinnoh.

If you add these numbers together you get 616 pokemon.
If you average these numbers together you get a little over 123 pokemon.

.6634 * 123 ~ 82 (percent new times estimated guess)

.34 * 123 ~ 41 (percent old times estimated guess)


If there are 123 pokemon in the Isshu Pokedex, 41 of them will be old and 82 of them will be new. This isn't much and I hope that the ratio decreases.

The ratio is from one game and one game only. This means that the ratio is probably too large compared to what will happen in the Isshu pokedex. If we get lucky there may be 20 old pokemon.

There was a rumor spreading around on Pokebeach that this one guy seems to know insider info about the 5th Generation Pokemon games. He claimed that there would be 157 pokemon in the Isshu pokedex, which would bring the total pokemon to 650.

From Pokebeach.com (http://pokebeach.com/2010/06/possible-black-and-white-spoilers-unconfirmed):
Spoiler:
This afternoon we were contacted by a man named Martijn Müller, the webmaster of an old and famous Zelda website. He claimed to have insider information on Black and White, and after spending a few hours verifying he was who he claimed to be, we decided to indulge and see what he had to say. Granted, we often get a lot of people claiming to know insider information on Pokemon games, with some going to extreme lengths to fool us. However, he has revealed insider information to gaming communities before, which leads us to believe he is telling the truth. He also personally showed me some developer material from Black and White, which further cemented to me that he was telling the truth. Nevertheless, this information could be one highly elaborate scheme (it wouldn’t be the first time), so for now, please just take all of it with a grain of salt - it’s not confirmed and could be fake. As a fan site it is our duty to post rumors when we have gone to reasonable lengths to verify the sources, which is why we decided to post this. Remember, grain of salt!
- There will be 157 new Pokemon, bringing the total amount to 650.


If this turns out to be true:

.6634 * 157 ~ 104 (percent new times rumored total)

.34 * 157 ~ 53 (percent old times rumored total)


This would mean we would get 104 new pokemon, 4 more than we got in Johto. This would be fine by me, but I doubt that this guy is speaking the truth. Most rumors are fake.

We will find out the true total sometime around August I am guessing.

As long as there are at least 100 new 5th gen pokemon I will be happy.

What do you guys think? How many pokemon do you want to be added? How many new pokemon do you want? Do you wish they would just add all new pokemon instead of some old ones? Do you want less new pokemon? Tell me!

Haza May 17th, 2010 8:00 PM

I personally think we sill be seeing maybe a total of 648 or something like that, I like the looks of that number! ^_^

Toxic Potato May 17th, 2010 8:01 PM

I dunno, all I know is that I'm looking forward to the 5th generation. :D

Timbjerr May 17th, 2010 8:09 PM

I may be imagining it, but I thought it was announced a while back that it was 110, which would put the total up to 603

Vrai May 17th, 2010 8:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5808553)
I may be imagining it, but I thought it was announced a while back that it was 110, which would put the total up to 603

I don't recall hearing that.

I'd like it to be a big number. New Pokémon are nice. x3

Timbjerr May 17th, 2010 8:17 PM

I could swear I saw it on Bulbapedia on the day B/W were announced...maybe it was taken down as just a rumor. XP

Personally, I'd like to see something in the neighborhood of 135-150...make the total just short of 666. XD

Waffle-San May 17th, 2010 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5808499)
They added 151 pokemon in Kanto.
They added 100 pokemon from Kanto to Jhoto.
They added 135 pokemon from Jhoto to Hoenn.
They added 107 pokemon from Hoenn to Sinnoh.

If you average these three numbers together you get a little over 123 pokemon.

This would bring the total to of 616!!!

Keep in mind that there are thousands upon thousands of pokemon already pre-drawn, and more and more are coming. Who knows how many they will add!

I hope that they go beyond 700, but its highly unlikely.

How many pokemon do you hope they add?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5808571)
I could swear I saw it on Bulbapedia on the day B/W were announced...maybe it was taken down as just a rumor. XP

Personally, I'd like to see something in the neighborhood of 135-150...make the total just short of 666. XD


Little known fact or maybe I should say highly ignored fact. As of 05 or 06 (can't remember) an older copy of Book of Relevations was found that suggests that 616 is actually the original number of the beast.

I think 107 again is a safe bet though part of me kind of hopes they add 58 or 158 Pokemon to bring the total to 551 or 651. Preferably 651.

But I must say Haza 648 is a daaaaamn sexy number. ;)

loliwin May 17th, 2010 10:24 PM

put it up to 9001
I'd go with 648 or 656. More pokemon makes me more hyped and no new pokemon at all makes me bored. :(

_Prince_ May 18th, 2010 2:35 AM

Calling it now, 611 random guess meh ;)

PokemonLeagueChamp May 18th, 2010 2:35 AM

Maybe we'll be getting 666 Pokemon. O_O

NatureKeeper May 18th, 2010 2:39 AM

I guess It will be something like 597.

LethalTexture May 18th, 2010 2:40 AM

Another 107 would mean 600, right? I'll go for that.

X75flames May 18th, 2010 4:26 AM

Dosnt matter how many little fail pokemon we get, as long as we get at least 10 good ones I'm k. Who serriosly caught Skitty?

Sneeze May 18th, 2010 4:30 AM

They should stop at 512. Why? Just because.

As long as I get a baby Seel and a Farfetch'd evo I don't really care anyways. :3

Guy May 18th, 2010 4:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loliwin (Post 5808772)
put it up to 9001
I'd go with 648 or 656. More pokemon makes me more hyped and no new pokemon at all makes me bored. :(

A range of 155-163 new Pokémon? I can see that. Plus, the PokéDex number at 648 or 656 do look pretty good. If I had to make another guess, I'd say about 632 Pokémon in total (139 new Pokémon for the Isshu Region).

Quote:

Originally Posted by X75flames (Post 5809165)
Who serriosly caught Skitty?

I did, 'kay thanks - and I trained it as well. =]

dead-man-walking May 18th, 2010 4:37 AM

Hopefully they will ad at least 103. Neat 600.

vibratingcat May 18th, 2010 4:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dead-man-walking (Post 5809182)
Hopefully they will ad at least 103. Neat 600.

rather than add random ones or take away awesome ones to get a perfect number, i reckon just do any over 100, like past pokemon.

JP May 18th, 2010 5:26 AM

Whatever amount it is, we can be sure the total will be over 600. I'd like a larger number myself though, maybe around 648 lol.

Cherrim May 18th, 2010 5:32 AM

I would prefer a smaller addition. If they wanted to keep adding Pokémon each gen, they should've started only adding 50-75 each time instead of 100+. D: I think once it passes 500 Pokémon, it'll officially be ridiculous and since we're already at 498... >_>;

I really, really don't want any more than 600. That's too high a number to remember. :( I do agree that if the Isshu region is so far away, it should have newer, more exotic Pokémon but I really, really don't want to remember that many.

Alucus_Of_Borg May 18th, 2010 5:32 AM

Well seeing as they originally designed 1000 pokemon in hopes that it would become popular its safe to say that we still have a long way to go before the end :D I for one am happy about that.

Porygon Z May 18th, 2010 5:43 AM

I hope that Tajiri will stop on 5th Generation, with a total of 650 pokemon.

Conor May 18th, 2010 5:54 AM

I'm hoping for the more the merrier, I mean it's so far away, I reckon a lot of the first 4 generation pokemon shouldn't even apear, be great if some of the pokemon are just exotic variations of already existing pokemon too but with a bit of a twist haha.
I hope theirs a mr's mime :(

MartinJF May 18th, 2010 6:04 AM

I Think around 100 new pokemon.

Mudkipzrock May 18th, 2010 6:30 AM

Me thinks....
Forget it...
Probably um.....
YA!
656

Mujahid May 18th, 2010 6:30 AM

I don't really care about the numbers...anything between 105-115 will do it...add 20-25 awesome pokemon and i'm gonna love it.


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