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Cloud197 May 24th, 2010 10:28 PM

Return of the Time Capsule?
 
Do you think they will have the Time Capsule in B/W like they did in G/S/C? Or, do you think they will have some sort of migration method involving the use of two DS's? Or do you have a completely different thought on this?


Personally, I hope that they will have some way to get pokemon from D/P/Pt/HG/SS, because I've spent a good amount of time collecting all the pokemon I have and training them all. It would be a shame if they made us restart again.

Azzurra May 24th, 2010 10:29 PM

I'm more inclined to believe that they're going to go with the latter and have some sort of migration method.

LethalTexture May 24th, 2010 11:16 PM

In my opinion, they could perhaps do something based on the DS' internal memory, whereby you put in your B/W game card, choose a menu option to migrate from Gen IV, remove the cartridge and put the Gen IV cart in, select the ones you want to import, save and switch off. Put B/W back in, and go to the time capsule/PalPark-esque place within the game and get importing.

Not sure how viable or possible this would be, though.

BleuVII May 24th, 2010 11:36 PM

I think that it's likely we'll get something like that. I hear a lot of people talking about Gen IV/ Gen V compatibility, but... they're different generations. By their very definition, they're NOT compatible. I think that the pokemon will need to be migrated somehow.

Ninja Caterpie May 24th, 2010 11:39 PM

I think there'll be a Time Capsule sort of thing.

Pal Park was because there's no way to connect a GBA game and a DS game (and you could have both in the one DS). Because BW and DPPt are both DS games and they have to be on two handhelds, I think it'll be a Time Capsule thing.

...although, the GTS might become interesting...

Azzurra May 25th, 2010 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5827118)
I think there'll be a Time Capsule sort of thing.

Pal Park was because there's no way to connect a GBA game and a DS game (and you could have both in the one DS). Because BW and DPPt are both DS games and they have to be on two handhelds, I think it'll be a Time Capsule thing.

...although, the GTS might become interesting...

If they're already imported/importable then a "time capsule" wouldn't necessarily be needed.

Ninja Caterpie May 25th, 2010 3:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzurra (Post 5827341)
If they're already imported/importable then a "time capsule" wouldn't necessarily be needed.

uhhh...the Time Capsule was so you didn't trade a GSC Pokemon into RBY and get a Missingno. Likewise, a Time Capsule sort of thing will be necessary to prevent you trading, for example, a Zorua into Diamond and getting a glitch.

Azzurra May 25th, 2010 3:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5827401)
uhhh...the Time Capsule was so you didn't trade a GSC Pokemon into RBY and get a Missingno. Likewise, a Time Capsule sort of thing will be necessary to prevent you trading, for example, a Zorua into Diamond and getting a glitch.

If that's the case that could/would be possible, but they may add new functions to be able to prevent such a thing happen without the now primitive "Time Capsule". New ideas are always introduced, though something of the sort is defiantly plausible.

vibratingcat May 25th, 2010 5:36 AM

if they put the time capsule in, i hope it doesnt take u ages to get it, like in frlg. its been proven that we can use get 4th gen pokemon into bw somehow with the shiny dog trio, so something must be implemented.

Rich Boy Rob May 25th, 2010 6:36 AM

I'd say they're probably going to go for some sort of Neo-Time Capsule. I mean as both Gen IV and V are both DS games, then I don't see why they can't do something in the same vein as Gen I/II connectivity.

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Originally Posted by BleuVII (Post 5827114)
I hear a lot of people talking about Gen IV/ Gen V compatibility, but... they're different generations. By their very definition, they're NOT compatible.

You've clearly never played Gens I or II...

Myles May 25th, 2010 6:52 AM

The forwards-backwards compatibility is due to if the Pokemon would lose information when going back to an old generation. Gen I had nowhere to store whether a Pokemon was male or female, so if you traded a Pokemon back and forth between the two, each time its gender would have to be redetermined.

To get around that Gen II had gender based on stats (as a result female Pokemon always have lower attack than their male counterparts in Gen II). This went for gender, shinyness, etc. Since Gen III had no backwards compatibility, it could completely remake the system. Thus female Pokemon can be just as powerful as male ones now. And shinyness no longer is dependent on Pokemon's stats.

Gen IV made it so that it was only forwards compatible. That way Pokemon won't lose details when they go back, because they can't go back. There's no hardware reason Gen IV couldn't have allowed backwards trading (possibly there was with Gen II -> Gen III, but I don't know). With Gen V it could go either way

tl;dr: Backwards compatibility is dependent on more than just hardware capabilities.

Anyway, I think migration or anoher one-way trading system will be used.

Cyberglass May 25th, 2010 7:59 AM

They could possibly set it up so that you can use the HGSS PokeWalker to transfer Pokemon over, by allowing Pokemon to go from the Walker to the new cart (but not vice versa).

BleuVII May 25th, 2010 8:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5827687)
I'd say they're probably going to go for some sort of Neo-Time Capsule. I mean as both Gen IV and V are both DS games, then I don't see why they can't do something in the same vein as Gen I/II connectivity.

You've clearly never played Gens I or II...

No, I never played Gen II. From what I understand, you could trade between the two games, but in order to trade from G/S/C to R/B/Y, you had to delete any new moves and only trade pokemon that were available in the original. I'm guessing that the same thing happened with battling, if battling were possible. You could only battle with RBY pokemon, and you couldn't use any new moves.

People here seem to think that there will be a patch or something that will update Gen IV and make it so that B/W can interact with D/P/Pt in the same way that HG/SS can. I just don't see that happening.

Bluerang1 May 25th, 2010 12:18 PM

I'd rather this to the damned Pal Park >___> You can trade your Pokemon back from Isshu but they can't have anything from that Region, even Ribbons?. I like it anyway. Another question I have is; How will the GTS trading work with this game and DPPtHGSS?

Kirbychu May 25th, 2010 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud197 (Post 5827001)
Personally, I hope that they will have some way to get pokemon from D/P/Pt/HG/SS, because I've spent a good amount of time collecting all the pokemon I have and training them all. It would be a shame if they made us restart again.

It's been confirmed that there will be some method. The legendary beast trio that JP players get downloaded to their copies of HGSS during the 13th movie will unlock something in BW. Later, we see thebeast trio members in a battle with Zoroark.That shows that there's going to be some method. I think the Time Capsule will return.

alisaie May 25th, 2010 6:27 PM

I really do hope that the time capsule will return. I don't see why it can't be possible, as both Gen IV and Gen V will be on the DS. Time capsule couldn't be possible because of the major changes of Gen III and Gen IV (along with Gen II and Gen III), and because of the fact that they were for different systems (Gen I and II were possible because both were for the Gameboy).

If they do Pal Park, I will not be a happy person. :(

dooxer May 25th, 2010 6:55 PM

I just don't think that platinum and BW are of such different times so I think the term time capsule is misleading.

Im thinking of some sort of Airport... it would fit the cosmopolitan state of the game's cities. A sort of "send pokemon to help poor trainers in isshu" campaign lol
well maybe not, but a one way airlplane ticket seems interesting.

~Platina's Jason~ May 25th, 2010 9:03 PM

Or you know, they could have it work out the same way trading between DPPt and HGSS does.

Xanatos13 May 25th, 2010 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Platina's Jason~ (Post 5829685)
Or you know, they could have it work out the same way trading between DPPt and HGSS does.

The thing is there's no new Pokemon being introduced in HG/SS. HG/SS & D/P/Pt don't (to the best of my knowledge, and I'm sure I'm right) have the data for the new B/W Pokemon that will be introduced.

This being said: Time Capsule-like trading is for sure. How they'll do it or what they'll call it, I dunno. But it'll be similar I'm sure.

Red1530 May 26th, 2010 9:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BleuVII (Post 5827904)
No, I never played Gen II. From what I understand, you could trade between the two games, but in order to trade from G/S/C to R/B/Y, you had to delete any new moves and only trade pokemon that were available in the original. I'm guessing that the same thing happened with battling, if battling were possible. You could only battle with RBY pokemon, and you couldn't use any new moves.

People here seem to think that there will be a patch or something that will update Gen IV and make it so that B/W can interact with D/P/Pt in the same way that HG/SS can. I just don't see that happening.

You could not conduct a battle between a Gen. I and Gen. II game unless it was done on Pokémon Stadium 2. The most likely lay for transfer is a new time-capsule system. Interstingly it will allow for the Gen. III game to connect to the fifth with the fourth generation acting as an intermediary.

Ninja Caterpie May 26th, 2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Platina's Jason~ (Post 5829685)
Or you know, they could have it work out the same way trading between DPPt and HGSS does.

Because 100-and-something different glitches in DPPt/HGSS is so good, isn't it?

SolarAbusoru May 26th, 2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 5828379)
I'd rather this to the damned Pal Park >___> You can trade your Pokemon back from Isshu but they can't have anything from that Region, even Ribbons?. I like it anyway. Another question I have is; How will the GTS trading work with this game and DPPtHGSS?

Obviously PKMN B.W will work off of different servers

cystar May 27th, 2010 1:53 AM

I think that theyll do something compleety new so no time capsle

NatureKeeper May 27th, 2010 3:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SolarAbusoru (Post 5832676)


Obviously PKMN B.W will work off of different servers

Then this is a catastrophe. We can already redirect Nintendo's server to any other GTS custom server at our own will. If we discovered B&W's server directory....

That'd be a catastrophe if somebody did it with DP.

On topic, Trading between Gen V and IV is confirmed to compatible and will be trading and battling which each other normally (Of course not with Gen V Pokémon.), similar to what happens in II and I. DPPtHGSS will still have their own Wi-Fi servers, and we are unaffected. Which means, there is a chance that there is a building. 'The Diamond and Pearl Building' which is enter-able if we have Pokémon that:

Do not carry B&W-exclusive ribbons.
Do not carry B&W Moves.
Do not carry B&W Items.
Are not in new B&W Formes.
Are not introduced in Generation V.
Aren't Bidoofs.

The abilities won't matter since they are determined by the PID and\or class And if a Pokémon goes to a version that the Pokémon is even not the same, and goes back, the ability is the same in the main game. So, no. A Pokémon's ability will be the same if traded to a Gen IV then back to a Gen V game.

This of course may result into the implementing of an NPC that takes Ribbons away, or just confiscates them.

This is one. The other one is a new note in the Pokémon Centre:

We are terribly sorry. The other trainer is from a region that doesn't recognize some of either your Pokémon, their moves, their items or their Ribbons. Please fix these Isshus issues and try again.

This is for the battling an trading directly. My speculations for Wi-Fi.

Direct Wi-Fi:

Did anybody see the HGSS Wi-Fi? It has two sections, the DP system and the PtHGSS system. I bet in B&W we will have 2, the Gen IV and the Gen V sections. When you attempt to battle or trade with Gen V Pokémon, Moves or Items on hand, It'll show some messages. This is for example a trade between the RSE Remakes and the GSC Remakes

May failed to respond... --> SoulSilver

The other trainer is from a region that doesn't recognize some of either your Pokémon, their moves, their items or their Ribbons. Please fix these issues and try again. --> 'Magma'Ruby

This is probably what will happen.

GTS:

1- The Diamond and Pearl Area thingy
2- A simple choice in the GTS:

*Some button pressed.*

Would you like to trade with Sinnoh or Johto trainers? Yes\No

If No --> Continue in the Isshu GTS normally.

If Yes -->

You get the DPPtHGSS GTS Menu, and if you attempt to put a Gen V Pokémon and\or Gen V moves and\or Items:

The other regions don't recognize some of either your Pokémon, their moves, their items or their Ribbons. Please fix these issues and try again.

Just as simple as that.

This whole Isshu thingy is an Issue.

Speculation belongs to me, and only me, 11:28 GMT, 05\27\2010.

linkinpark187 May 27th, 2010 7:35 AM

I could see the return of the Time Capsule happening. At least in some form. It may not be called the Time Capsule, anymore, though. At least I don't think. I could be wrong. Hard to say not knowing, right?

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 5829440)
Not viable at all. The DS and DS lite store a small amount of stuff to the RAM that persists while the battery is still able to power the DS, but that stuff disappears instantly when the battery is removed. And typically, that space is used to store DS settings.

Sure, you could take advantage of the DSi's internal memory, but what about DS users? (Though it'd be bigger incentive to use the 3DS.)

The Time Capsule or even a standard trade center would really be the way to go.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...the 3DS was just an April Fools Joke. There will be, however, a game coming out for DSi Ware called Hidden 3D Image. Can't wait. Japan already has it, can't wait for it to come out in the US. :D


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