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560cool. May 31st, 2010 10:08 AM

Haha, yeah, I also read that on Serebii seconds ago.
I just think she was goofy and it slipped. Like those recent iDevice leaks, accidental stuff that reveal more info to the public.
But I'll love him to be Dragon-Electric ! Any new type combo is welcome ! ^^

JP May 31st, 2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by musesum626 (Post 5844142)
I can kind of see why it would be Electric, but it makes much more sense for it to be Dark. (Either way we'd have a unique typing) Then again, it is the legendary for Pokemon White, and electricity is very bright, so maybe that's why? But then Reshiram would have to be Dark o_0

I should just try not to speculate about this and wait for confirmed information.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Since they're probably opposites of each other, maybe the whole Dragon/Electric type might be the offset of a Dragon/Dark type. Perhaps a fire type as people have speculated. It would seem that basing types from color schemes this time around might not be the best way to go about things, especially if this rumor is true.

Setosama May 31st, 2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844157)
He looks like a robot. Robots are electronic. Electricity can be blue. Zekrom has some blue in his design. It doesn't necessarily have to be yellow to be electric. Have you ever seen lightning? Lightning has tints of blue in it.



Reshiram has a possibility of being part fire seeing as there is a torch for its tail. Maybe it controls volcanoes or actual fire.

The reasons why the legendaries for Black and White could be fire and electric:

Fire--you light a candle to see in the dark. It's light in darkness.

Electricity--you turn on a lamp when it's dark. It's also light in darkness.

Therefore, Fire and Electricity tie into the light/dark aspect. Both create light when there is darkness. It doesn't have to be so literal and be part light and part dark types. The legendaries could be part fire and part electric and still convey the same message. The titles make sense, because Black represents dark and white represents light.

Also, with fire and electricity, not only can they bring light, they can cause darkness as well. If you use too much electricity, it causes power outages (like the one in Sunyshore). Without power, you're in darkness. Fire also creates smoke. You can't see when there is smoke and ash. Therefore, there is darkness.

Fire and electricity control light and dark. Therefore everything I've said makes sense for the legendaries to be part fire and electric.

The blue is the lighting on zekrom's smooth black/dark grey body. There's not even ANY blue in its eyes! It's eyes are red and its iris is green with a black pupil.

Either way, there is OBVIOUSLY some reason why they are keeping their second types extremely secret.

Personally, I think it's just to piss us all off. :D

Also, on a side note. Who here expected Groudon to be a Fire-Type pokemon the first time they saw him?

SIN1488 May 31st, 2010 10:37 AM

I think I figured it out you guys..... Zekrom is definitely part electric, because his tail is one of those things you plug into a cigarette lighter to charge! So we can be sure at some point in the game he will plug his tail into a giant cigarette lighter and steal all the energy from the city! :O

Just kidding, but I like the idea that he may be electric. It would make a lot of sense with the whole computer thing (RAM, ROM). And I like how someone pointed out the cave with the blue electricity everywhere, this would also make sense with it. And I'm not completely sure, but I think the color of electricity depends on it's charge.

Mew~ May 31st, 2010 10:43 AM

Lol I find it funny how the guy quickly deleted the post LOL I bet his boss told him off or somthing XDXD

I think it could since it has that big jet thing as its tail, like those things on airoplanes.
The first time I saw it I thought it might be a steel type though :\

SIN1488 May 31st, 2010 10:49 AM

I kind of think Reshiram is going to be Dragon/Flying, which would be lame. But hopefully looks can be deceiving this time.....

Eternal Nightmare May 31st, 2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 5844252)
Lol I find it funny how the guy quickly deleted th.e post LOL I bet his boss told him off or somthing XDXD

I think it could since it has that big jet thing as its tail, like those things on airoplanes.
The first time I saw it I thought it might be a steel type though :\

This "guy" you are talking about is actually a woman <_<.

Crap I forgot to quote some who mentioned Groudon. Anyway, yeah I thought Groudon would be a fire type instead of ground. Good thing it can learn fire type moves.

BryFy354 May 31st, 2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5844052)
Hm......... There's nothing about Zekrom that screams electric type to me.

Hell, if he IS an electric type, he'd be THE FIRST ONE of breaking the trend of Electric pokemon being yellow or at having yellow on them. As of right now, only Chinchou, Lanturn, Electrike, Manetric, Shinx, Luxio, and Luxray are the ONLY electric pokemon that fall under that second category

.....There's nothing about Flygon or Garchomp that screams Ground-type but they are. Flygon has the WINGS, eyes, and antennae of a bug and is bright green. Garchomp is a frickin hammerhead shark, yet they're both Ground because that's just a part of their OVERALL design and they were intended that way. Oh, and the connection with the cave seems logical.

Co500 May 31st, 2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844064)
I think she knows it's part electric, but she hurried up and removed it, because she remembered that no one is supposed to know.

After reading that, I wondered if this is the location where Zekrom may be found. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/KartWheelyGirl/Zekromlocationperhaps.png It's a possibility. It could just be a random cave, but I think there's a chance Zekrom's location is here. Zekrom has some blue in his design, and the electricity in this picture is blue. He also seems to have a robotic look. Robots are electronic. It makes sense for him to be part electric.

oh you beat me to it :D yeah i think that too i like the electromagnet theme

blueguy May 31st, 2010 11:49 AM

Hmmm... That typing seems completely wrong.

Haza May 31st, 2010 12:10 PM

for those who are saying that it just might be true, and see the blues reflecting off of it's body, as much as I'd hate this I have a theory. Reshiram also has reds reflecting from it's white body. And it's head and tail look like fire. This could still relate to Naturalization and Industrialization. Fire = NATURAL LIGHT, Electricity = Unnatural Light, for the most part anyway.

Haza May 31st, 2010 12:15 PM

For some reason, I am no longer excited about them anymore... I got my hopes up I guess.

billi1000 May 31st, 2010 12:31 PM

The Electric/Dragon typing is a new typing, Zekrom would be the first Pokemon of them all to hold it. When competative is a concern, this typing is an OK typing holding 7 resistances at the cost of 3 weaknesses. It's not a very efficient combination since it didn't serve to cancel out any weeknesses, and on the good side no weaknesses actually stacked to make a devastating 4X weakness.

But, I actually like this typing since I think we should have more electric type legendaries and it would be nice to see what a legend of that type will be capable of. As for Reshiram, if Zekrom ended up being half-electric type, then it looks like the whole light-type theory will be forgotten, although it may still be plausible. Reshiram to me looks like a Dragon/Fire type with levitate. Maybe their roles would be for Reshiram to "light the sky" and Zekrom to "light the city".

Kirbychu May 31st, 2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BleuVII (Post 5844025)
Well, this may dispel the Dark/Light rumors



This was quite the surprise. I expected Zekrom to be dark, and the other one to be Psychic/Electric. I can't wait to get more info.

MistahDude May 31st, 2010 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5844208)
The blue is the lighting on zekrom's smooth black/dark grey body. There's not even ANY blue in its eyes! It's eyes are red and its iris is green with a black pupil.

Either way, there is OBVIOUSLY some reason why they are keeping their second types extremely secret.

Personally, I think it's just to piss us all off. :D

Also, on a side note. Who here expected Groudon to be a Fire-Type pokemon the first time they saw him?

Since when did a pokemon have to be a certain color to be a certain type?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 31st, 2010 12:49 PM

I hope that we do get a Dragon/electric legendary...than that turbine on Zekrom's back might be a electric generator...makes sense...

~Wind~ May 31st, 2010 12:49 PM

I think she missenterpeted it and just deleted it because she got the typing wrong and didnt want to confuse anyone.
Anyway, Zekrom looks more steel or dark than it does electric. :/

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Originally Posted by BryFry354 http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/foreverstanding/buttons/viewpost.gif
There's nothing about Flygon or Garchomp that screams Ground-type but they are. Flygon has the WINGS, eyes, and antennae of a bug and is bright green. Garchomp is a frickin hammerhead shark, yet they're both Ground because that's just a part of their OVERALL design and they were intended that way.
actually, the red eye covers on flygon and his body shape point to the fact that he is designed to withstand sandstorms, and, since theres no sand type, the next best thing is ground.
And Garchomp has that feel too, and also he has the type of "ground type" yellow colourisation on him, also there's thier movepools.

MistahDude May 31st, 2010 12:51 PM

I think the third legendary in Pokemon Gray will be Dark type. Fire and Electricity both create light, and Darkness would end them.

So Fire/Dragon, Electric/Dragon and Dark/Dragon. This would be three new types combos!

MistahDude May 31st, 2010 12:55 PM

This is from Pokebeach:
"Reshiram's name comes from "shiro," which means "white" in Japanese, whereas Zekrom's comes from "kuro," which means "black." But as it turns out, the names also originate from the Japanese words "shiramu" and "kuromu," which mean "to grow light" and "to grow dark." Specifically, these words are used to refer to the sky becoming light and dark. Like we pointed out a few weeks ago, "hiun" in Hiun City's name can mean "clouds being blown by the wind." In addition to this, the bridge connected to Hiun City is named "Sky Arrow Bridge." So, we obviously have a sky theme going on in these two games in addition to the possible lightening or darkening of it. Thanks goes to Yaminokame for researching these name meanings.
What do these tidbits and the names of the Legendary Pokemon tell us about Black and White's plot? This is just speculation, but perhaps the games will involve a story related to making the sky night or day, similar to the whole land and ocean dichotomy in Ruby and Sapphire."

Psydragon May 31st, 2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 5844240)
And I'm not completely sure, but I think the color of electricity depends on it's charge.

That idea makes you think. One could be negative charge and the other positive charge. negative=evil, positive=good. evil=black, good= white.
I highly doubt both would be electric though, but you never know.

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Originally Posted by BryFy354 (Post 5844297)
.....There's nothing about Flygon or Garchomp that screams Ground-type but they are. Flygon has the WINGS, eyes, and antennae of a bug and is bright green. Garchomp is a frickin hammerhead shark, yet they're both Ground because that's just a part of their OVERALL design and they were intended that way. Oh, and the connection with the cave seems logical.

On a side note, what is up with Flygon's evoloution chain ? Garchomp makes sense. Gible and Gabite look like mini Garchomps. Vibrava looks like a mini Flygon, but what in the world is trapinch ? It looks like it would turn into a Mawile. Even Yanma would have been a more sensible pre-evolutionary form than Trapinch is. They could have kept the whole dragonfly thing going.

MistahDude May 31st, 2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844629)
Dragon/Fire and Dragon/Electric legendaries seem very possible for Black and White. According to wikipedia, "lightning can also occur within the ash clouds from volcanic eruptions, or can be caused by violent forest fires which generate sufficient dust to create a static charge."



This is a combination of fire and electricity taking place at the same time. Light is the electricity. Darkness is from the smoke caused by the fire. Notice the colors? (White and Black.)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/KartWheelyGirl/ZekromvsReshiram.png

If you place the Pokemon onto the background, it seems like a very plausible idea.

This is from Pokebeach:
"Reshiram's name comes from "shiro," which means "white" in Japanese, whereas Zekrom's comes from "kuro," which means "black." But as it turns out, the names also originate from the Japanese words "shiramu" and "kuromu," which mean "to grow light" and "to grow dark." Specifically, these words are used to refer to the sky becoming light and dark. Like we pointed out a few weeks ago, "hiun" in Hiun City's name can mean "clouds being blown by the wind." In addition to this, the bridge connected to Hiun City is named "Sky Arrow Bridge." So, we obviously have a sky theme going on in these two games in addition to the possible lightening or darkening of it.

What do these tidbits and the names of the Legendary Pokemon tell us about Black and White's plot? This is just speculation, but perhaps the games will involve a story related to making the sky night or day, similar to the whole land and ocean dichotomy in Ruby and Sapphire.


On Pokebeach they also theorized that Zekrom's tail could be a night generator.

This makes the Electric/Dragon and Fire/Dragon theory even more realistic because there is a sky theme going on already, and Fire and Electricity can each cause light, darkness, and problems with the sky.

musesum626 May 31st, 2010 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844157)
He looks like a robot. Robots are electronic. Electricity can be blue. Zekrom has some blue in his design. It doesn't necessarily have to be yellow to be electric. Have you ever seen lightning? Lightning has tints of blue in it.



Reshiram has a possibility of being part fire seeing as there is a torch for its tail. Maybe it controls volcanoes or actual fire.

The reasons why the legendaries for Black and White could be fire and electric:

Fire--you light a candle to see in the dark. It's light in darkness.

Electricity--you turn on a lamp when it's dark. It's also light in darkness.

Therefore, Fire and Electricity tie into the light/dark aspect. Both create light when there is darkness. It doesn't have to be so literal and be part light and part dark types. The legendaries could be part fire and part electric and still convey the same message. The titles make sense, because Black represents dark and white represents light.

Also, with fire and electricity, not only can they bring light, they can cause darkness as well. If you use too much electricity, it causes power outages (like the one in Sunyshore). Without power, you're in darkness. Fire also creates smoke. You can't see when there is smoke and ash. Therefore, there is darkness.

Fire and electricity control light and dark. Therefore everything I've said makes sense for the legendaries to be part fire and electric.

It's possible that the evil organization(s) in this game are looking to harness the legendary powers for their own advantage. It could be a battle between light and darkness using fire and electricity.

That's probably why the protagonists are older. 10 year olds shouldn't be messing with fire or electricity. It also explains the boots and the shoes they are wearing. Hiun city is an industrial city that uses a lot of electricity and fire. I think I figured it all out.

Wow you've put a lot of thought into this. I love the idea! (And it would make up for my false hope for a Light type) It makes complete sense, and this way we would finally have an Electric Dragon and a Fire Dragon. As someone else pointed out, Reshiram has red highlights and Zekrom has blue highlights. I also noticed Zekrom has red and yellow eyes (fire) while Reshiram has blue eyes (electricity), to balance out the colors for the whole yin-yang thing they've got going on. Then, as you said, there's the torch tail and....electrical generator tail.

JakeClowd May 31st, 2010 1:19 PM

Legendary Origins?
 
Reshiram / Zekrom

O.k. Here's what we know:

Spoiler:
• There are two legendaries announced
• They are black and white
• They reside in a region with large cities
• A voice actor for the 13th pokemon movie blogged that she likes electric pokemon and would love to voice Zekrom. Therefore, implying that Zekrom is part electric.


The question is, What purpose will the new legendaries have in the new generation?

In Gen. 4, they had legendaries that created all space and time!
What Could Possibly Top That?

Now, Taking into account the big cities, electric type, and strange turbine tail, I'm thinking region wide energy crisis (sound familiar).
But, if that is what we guess about Zekrom, what about Reshiram.
One other thing I don't think anyone has noticed:
The suffixes - ROM & RAM - respectively could stand for the data terms - Read Only Memory & Random Access Memory - prehaps pertaining to the digital age???


Love to hear your thoughts.

GreyShadow May 31st, 2010 1:21 PM

I think an Electric/Dragon would be cool but I would rather see Zekrom as a Dark/Dragon. I hope this isn't leading onto the fact that Zekrom could be Electric. But honostly I don't know what to expect.

Manganum May 31st, 2010 1:51 PM

... I think we may be overspeculating here. I mean really. You guys are theorizing that Reshiram and Zekrom must be electric and fire because a certain charge in volcanic ash can create lightning. Don't you think the company would base the legendaries on something less... Obscure? Maybe it's just me, but that aside, I would still love to see an electric-dragon/fire-dragon pairing.

myrrh25 May 31st, 2010 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldvsRed (Post 5844076)
Rotom doesn't have yellow anywhere on it, the closest it comes is the orange-ish aura on its Shiny form.

Not true, Fan-form Rotom is yellow. :)

Powerflare May 31st, 2010 2:02 PM

Both of these Pokémon look amazing! I am definitely gonna get both games. They aren't way over the top like the 4th generation's legends (especially Arceus, though it wasn't a mascot, but come on! The GOD OF POKéMON!? That's just... nevermind). I like Zekrom a lot, but I like Reshiram too. Zekrom doesn't look like an Electric-type, though, but it'd be wicked-cool if it was!!

dieter57 May 31st, 2010 2:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5844060)
Naw, I doubt it, HIGHLY. AS I stated in the other thread about this, Zekrom IS NOT YELLOW, nor does he have yellow ANYWHERE on his body. All electric pokemon are yellow or have yellow highlights.

Zapdos and Raikou are both IN YOUR FACE with yellow, and Rotom has a yellow arua with lightning bolts underneath it. it is HIGHLY unlikely Zekrom is gonna be an elecrtic type.

uggggggg..

magnimite? magniton? electrode? voltorb? flaffy? do any of them have yellow?

and rotom is red and blue. color has nothing to do with type. at all.

dieter57 May 31st, 2010 2:21 PM

i dislike the electric/dragon and fire/dragon. i really do.

i was really pulling for a light type. but all this new speculation dashes my hopes away.........

Åzurε May 31st, 2010 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 5844833)
uggggggg..

magnimite? magniton? electrode? voltorb? flaffy? do any of them have yellow?

and rotom is red and blue. color has nothing to do with type. at all.

Flaaffy evolves from and into something yellow, and has a lightbulb on it's tail. Magnemite/tron look mechanical and have MAGNETS, and Voltorb looks like a Pokeball. Color is significant, but so is design.

Hey, guess what? 493+7*=500. Somebody get a big cake!

*-That's Pokabu, Mijumaru, Tsutaja, Zoroark, Zorua, Reshiram, and Zekrom.

dieter57 May 31st, 2010 2:33 PM

but i was talking about COLOR not shape, form, evolution, ect. just color. is there even a specific color for dragon types? no.

all I'm saying is that types are not depended upon color.

Crysta Blade May 31st, 2010 2:36 PM

Well, Electric would add credence to the whole "nature vs. tech" idea being thrown around.

Circuit May 31st, 2010 2:40 PM

I agree with the new speculation 100%. It all makes sense now people have made it all clear. Electric/Dragon and Fire/Dragon would be great new type combos as well. For those who connot see the blue on Zekrom, look closer. They are there. I wont repeat what people have said because people don't want to read the same stuff over and over again. On a side note, as excited as I am about the new games, the new legendaries do live up to my expectations. I do not like their designs.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 31st, 2010 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 5844872)
Flaaffy evolves from and into something yellow, and has a lightbulb on it's tail. Magnemite/tron look mechanical and have MAGNETS, and Voltorb looks like a Pokeball. Color is significant, but so is design.

Hey, guess what? 493+7*=500. Somebody get a big cake!

*-That's Pokabu, Mijumaru, Tsutaja, Zoroark, Zorua, Reshiram, and Zekrom.

Add the evo's of the starters (which we have yet to see) to the 500 and you get 506 so we most definitely have 13 new Pokemon!
The color does play a big part in type but not always... I always saw dragon as blue...there's Dialga, Bagon, Dragonair, Salamence, Altaria,ect. but not all are blue though... water is almost always light blue,fire is orange, Electric is Yellow,orange/red, and blue. Ground is brown,grey,ect. Dark has Black,grey,ect. you ge the point.

dieter57 May 31st, 2010 2:49 PM

but no one type is limited to one color.

if you go by colors them octilary should be fire, wobofet should be water, and rayquaza should be grass.

once again, any type can be any color.

Archmaster May 31st, 2010 3:32 PM

Zekrom looks awesome, so I think I'll get Black.

PalkiaSpace May 31st, 2010 3:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blueguy (Post 5844415)
Hmmm... That typing seems completely wrong.

Yeah... Makes no sence to me.

ThePinkDragon May 31st, 2010 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Archmaster (Post 5845032)
Zekrom looks awesome, so I think I'll get Black.

I believe Zekrom is the legendary for Pokemon White.

Timbjerr May 31st, 2010 4:07 PM

hahah...after I read the article on Serebii this morning, I spent the whole day at work thinking over what implications this may have on Reshiram's and Zekrom's roles in the game and in nature. The best I came up with is since Zekrom is now ostensibly an Electric/Dragon, he represents modernization and industry. Following that logic, I theorized that Reshiram would represent primacy and nature. To this end, I theorized that Reshiram would be a Grass/Dragon or Bug/Dragon, but nothing of his design supports either of those options. XD

I come on PC and see Sweet Smoochum's Fire/Dragon Reshiram theory and I slap myself silly for not seeing it sooner. XD

Esper May 31st, 2010 4:15 PM

If we're going with the natural/industrial thing shouldn't we consider a Normal typing for Reshiram? I mean, Normal is what represents some of the plainer, one might argue, more natural looking Pokemon.

Masterge77 May 31st, 2010 4:17 PM

I do not understand him being an Electric, I already do not understand Lucario being a Steel type, along with Palkia being Water type

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844064)
I think she knows it's part electric, but she hurried up and removed it, because she remembered that no one is supposed to know.

After reading that, I wondered if this is the location where Zekrom may be found. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/KartWheelyGirl/Zekromlocationperhaps.png It's a possibility. It could just be a random cave, but I think there's a chance Zekrom's location is here. Zekrom has some blue in his design, and the electricity in this picture is blue. He also seems to have a robotic look. Robots are electronic. It makes sense for him to be part electric.

Well, Zekroms location would have to involve the plot with "Team X" (placeholder name until the actuall name is revealed) summoning him to do their evil bidding

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844157)
Electricity can be blue. Zekrom has some blue in his design. It doesn't necessarily have to be yellow to be electric. Have you ever seen lightning? Lightning has tints of blue in it.


Manetric is blue, and he is Electric type, so there.....

[/quote]Reshiram has a possibility of being part fire seeing as there is a torch for its tail. Maybe it controls volcanoes or actual fire. [/quote]

The slot for a volcano legeendary has already been taken by Heatran >:)

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That's probably why the protagonists are older. 10 year olds shouldn't be messing with fire or electricity. It also explains the boots and the shoes they are wearing. Hiun city is an industrial city that uses a lot of electricity and fire. I think I figured it all out.
Then tell me, how in the world does that explains how someone who is 10 years old can own something like CHARIZARD OR RAICHU!?

Conan Edogawa May 31st, 2010 4:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Manganum (Post 5844785)
... I think we may be overspeculating here. I mean really. You guys are theorizing that Reshiram and Zekrom must be electric and fire because a certain charge in volcanic ash can create lightning. Don't you think the company would base the legendaries on something less... Obscure? Maybe it's just me, but that aside, I would still love to see an electric-dragon/fire-dragon pairing.

I completely agree. And I doubt the highlights were put into the artwork to give away a second type for each. And after reading the pokebeach paragraph earlier I'm more convinced of a light type. Going with the speculation that these games will have a darker story due to the older protagonists I don't see them as electric. Dark vs light is much more closely related to life vs death, and seems more appropriate for the expected apocalyptic story.

MistahDude May 31st, 2010 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan Edogawa (Post 5845219)
I completely agree. And I doubt the highlights were put into the artwork to give away a second type for each. And after reading the pokebeach paragraph earlier I'm more convinced of a light type. Going with the speculation that these games will have a darker story due to the older protagonists I don't see them as electric. Dark vs light is much more closely related to life vs death, and seems more appropriate for the expected apocalyptic story.

I think its just something sky related.

Storm_has_formed May 31st, 2010 5:24 PM

sky theme sounds like an awesome idea! Sweet Smoochum you really presented your points well there, and made it believable

BleuVII May 31st, 2010 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5845177)
I come on PC and see Sweet Smoochum's Fire/Dragon Reshiram theory and I slap myself silly for not seeing it sooner. XD

Hey! I posted that idea first! :'( Sweet Smoochum just... made it sound plausible.

cystar May 31st, 2010 5:46 PM

that would be ill electic/dragon def get that

Satoshi_poketo monsta May 31st, 2010 5:54 PM

So Zekrom really is an Electric type huh? Obvious...

Eternal Nightmare May 31st, 2010 6:01 PM

I'm going to agree with Sweet Smoochum here the idea of electric dragon and fire dragon seem real plausible considering the points and observations made.

Also like Timbjerr, the idea of industry for these legends have always been a thought for me considering the technological advances of the Isshu region. Its far to obvious by the tail resembling a generator in my opinion.

Random: I like Smoochums :3 <3. They are indeed sweet.

Eternal Nightmare May 31st, 2010 6:28 PM

Like I have said before I have some agreement on both the legendaries typings because of there tails as well. Maybe Gamefreak was being crafty this time so they didn't want to reveal the second type yet. They wanted fans to speculate their types mainly due to there body color knowing that most would not think so much about the way both their tails looked and the industrialized region they reside in.

There is no doubt in my mind that lady is lying to the public just by Sweet Smoochums statement, the tail, and glowing blue on Zekrom that it isn't part electric. I'm not safe to say that I can agree wholeheartly with Reshiram being part fire but I welcome that as more fire types are need, fire dragon sounds like a very interesting type, and fire types are awesome period. Well we have to wait and see now and see if we are correct.

Damn you Gamefreak for making me think so hard.

Tanner. May 31st, 2010 6:31 PM

I like how this new generation will hopefully focus less on myth and more on more modern themes. Kanto was originally more technological than the other regions so its legendary was a genetically engineered thing. I would like to see more legendaries along that theme.

Setosama May 31st, 2010 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 5844833)
uggggggg..

magnimite? magniton? electrode? voltorb? flaffy? do any of them have yellow?

and rotom is red and blue. color has nothing to do with type. at all.

flaffy may not be prodominantly yellow, but AMPHAROS is! Magnemite and Magneton have magnets.

And it usually doesn't but I'm just saying MOST electric pokemon ARE yellow or have it on them.

Hibaru May 31st, 2010 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5845542)
flaffy may not be prodominantly yellow, but AMPHAROS is! Magnemite and Magneton have magnets.

And it usually doesn't but I'm just saying MOST electric pokemon ARE yellow or have it on them.

Most? Not really Voltorb and Electrode want to talk, and you know what they say? "We're not Yellow! We're Red and White!". Besides, most Forum says Zekrom would be Dragon/Electric type and the color is actually black. Which it has nothing Yellow on its body.

white_amithy May 31st, 2010 7:04 PM

Eh whichever has the best stats i go for it
but ill probably get white ver

Setosama May 31st, 2010 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hibaru (Post 5845570)
Most? Not really Voltorb and Electrode want to talk, and you know what they say? "We're not Yellow! We're Red and White!". Besides, most Forum says Zekrom would be Dragon/Electric type and the color is actually black. Which it has nothing Yellow on its body.

That's only because of some "slip-up" Shokotan did on her blog.

Voltorb and Electrode are Joke Pokemon really. Pick up a voltorb thinking it is a pokeball, KABOOM!

Those and the Magnet Pokemon are the ONLY ones who break this rule. Every other Electric Pokemon is either predominantly yellow or has electric qualities and yellow on it somewhere!

Haza May 31st, 2010 7:52 PM

Ugh, on a positive note from me, maybe we could expect an attack caalled Black Lighting from Zekrom, and maybe White Flames from Reshiram.

Setosama May 31st, 2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eternal Nightmare (Post 5845447)
I'm going to agree with Sweet Smoochum here the idea of electric dragon and fire dragon seem real plausible considering the points and observations made.

Also like Timbjerr, the idea of industry for these legends have always been a thought for me considering the technological advances of the Isshu region. Its far to obvious by the tail resembling a generator in my opinion.

Random: I like Smoochums :3 <3. They are indeed sweet.

Ok. Levitate or Pressure?

myrrh25 May 31st, 2010 11:22 PM

I'd like to say they will have weather effects like Kyogre and Groudon. NEW weather effects.
(if he's electric) Zekrom could have the Thunderstorm weather. (It sometimes hurts you and sometimes doesn't.)
(if he's fire) Reshiram could have the Rising Smoke weather. (Decreases accuracy.)

EDIT: And the legendary trio master would have Air Lock like Rayquaza did. :)

Myles May 31st, 2010 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844157)
Reshiram has a possibility of being part fire seeing as there is a torch for its tail. Maybe it controls volcanoes or actual fire.

The reasons why the legendaries for Black and White could be fire and electric:

Fire--you light a candle to see in the dark. It's light in darkness.

Electricity--you turn on a lamp when it's dark. It's also light in darkness.

Therefore, Fire and Electricity tie into the light/dark aspect. Both create light when there is darkness. It doesn't have to be so literal and be part light and part dark types. The legendaries could be part fire and part electric and still convey the same message. The titles make sense, because Black represents dark and white represents light.

But then they're both the same. Unless you're going for lamp = technology and candle = natural, but from where this goes, I don't think that's where you're getting at.

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844157)
Also, with fire and electricity, not only can they bring light, they can cause darkness as well. If you use too much electricity, it causes power outages (like the one in Sunyshore). Without power, you're in darkness. Fire also creates smoke. You can't see when there is smoke and ash. Therefore, there is darkness.

Fire and electricity control light and dark. Therefore everything I've said makes sense for the legendaries to be part fire and electric.

Too much electricity didn't cause Sunnyshore to go out. Too little electricity did. They were trying to use more than they had. And the smoke thing is a bit Farfetch'd imo.

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844157)
It's possible that the evil organization(s) in this game are looking to harness the legendary powers for their own advantage. It could be a battle between light and darkness using fire and electricity.

But it would work better if they clashed. Both being able to create light and 'remove it' doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844157)
That's probably why the protagonists are older. 10 year olds shouldn't be messing with fire or electricity. It also explains the boots and the shoes they are wearing. Hiun city is an industrial city that uses a lot of electricity and fire. I think I figured it all out.

._.

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Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5844629)
Dragon/Fire and Dragon/Electric legendaries seem very possible for Black and White. According to wikipedia, "lightning can also occur within the ash clouds from volcanic eruptions, or can be caused by violent forest fires which generate sufficient dust to create a static charge."

This is a combination of fire and electricity taking place at the same time. Light is the electricity. Darkness is from the smoke caused by the fire. Notice the colors? (White and Black.)

If you place the Pokemon onto the background, it seems like a very plausible idea.

Way too obscure.

Anyway, I just don't think this is likely.

GoldvsRed May 31st, 2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by myrrh25 (Post 5844799)
Not true, Fan-form Rotom is yellow. :)

Oh yeah, I forgot. I replace that with Flaaffy, then.

Ninja Caterpie May 31st, 2010 11:47 PM

Considering the fact that Zekrom's design makes it incredibly plausible it is Electric-type, I have the feeling that Reshiram's whiteness and shininess might make it Ice, Electric or Fire. It would be pretty cool if they were both Electric/Dragon. Their two STABs - one super effective against the other Pokemon, one ineffective. Fire/Dragon seems more plausible in terms of story-wise, although I don't really see how it'd work with evil teams...

loliwin June 1st, 2010 12:14 AM

I'd like to see a Dragon Ground, I love them! XD

Myles June 1st, 2010 12:14 AM

But if that blog post is correct about Zekrom being Electric than Reshiram wouldn't be. Since it was 'I like Electric, so I want Zekrom'.

Pokekoks June 1st, 2010 12:35 AM

New legendaries are looking good, but Zekrom is too complicated to name it 'Pokemon'... But I like its design, even it looks similarly to Palkia.

Zekrom is probably dragon/electric type (but I don't exclude it's second type is dark) and Reshiram imo looks like dragon/ghost or dragon/flying type.

Haza June 1st, 2010 1:51 AM

Now that I think about it... Zekrom does sound like an Electric-Type name.

Azzurra June 1st, 2010 1:56 AM

This is only speculation and might not ring true, but I believe the Dark legendary Pokemon will most probably be Dark/Ground, and the white one would probably be an introduction to the "White type" Pokemon family.

SinisterEternity June 1st, 2010 2:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzurra (Post 5846167)
This is only speculation and might not ring true, but I believe the Dark legendary Pokemon will most probably be Dark/Ground, and the white one would probably be an introduction to the "White type" Pokemon family.

Nah x3
Both were confirmed Dragon/? types so Zekrom will be Dark/Dragon or Dragon/Dark, I dunno Cx

`MorningSun June 1st, 2010 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SinisterEternity (Post 5846183)
Nah x3
Both were confirmed Dragon/? types so Zekrom will be Dark/Dragon or Dragon/Dark, I dunno Cx

So many dragon legendarys -.-. Also Zekrom might be Dragon/Electric.

SinisterEternity June 1st, 2010 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by `MorningSun (Post 5846191)
So many dragon legendarys -.-. Also Zekrom might be Dragon/Electric.

I know right ? D;
I wish we had more non-legendary Dragons >_<
And yeah, why not Dragon/Electric ? Both would be good, imo ! ;3

Setosama June 1st, 2010 2:28 AM

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Originally Posted by myrrh25 (Post 5846039)
I'd like to say they will have weather effects like Kyogre and Groudon. NEW weather effects.
(if he's electric) Zekrom could have the Thunderstorm weather. (It sometimes hurts you and sometimes doesn't.)
(if he's fire) Reshiram could have the Rising Smoke weather. (Decreases accuracy.)

EDIT: And the legendary trio master would have Air Lock like Rayquaza did. :)

Hm... I really don't see that happening... But then again, after these games, the Ruby and Sapphire remakes are next, supposedly.

We already know that there is an attack that raises ACCURACY and Attack. So it IS possible...

But I'd hate to see another legendary dragon get murdered by repeated earthquakes... :(

Forget types, what about abilities... What abilities you think these guys'll have? Levitate? Pressure? or something new?

GreyShadow June 1st, 2010 3:54 AM

Three Types?
 
With so much controversy over the types of Reshiram and Zekrom I thaught I would bring this up. So far we know they are both Dragon types. Some people think Reshiram will be either a Fire or Light type and some people think Zekrom will either be a Dark or Electric type. What if these Legendaries had 3 types which would mean Reshiram would be Dragon/Fire/Light and Zekrom would be Dragon/Electric/Dark. So many mysteries are in this game and if 3-type Pokemon were one of them, that might really affect gameplay. I am not saying I want this to happen (I am wishing for a Dark/Dragon Zekrom) but I still think that his could be a possibility. Discuss.

EDIT: I agree with what you all are saying about the unbalence. But what if 3-types was just for Reshiram and Zekrom? Again I'm not saying I want it to happen. Also for the record I think Charizard and Gyarados should've both been Dragon instead of Flying.

myrrh25 June 1st, 2010 4:05 AM

Not gonna happen, that would completely warp everything the game has ever stood for type-advantage-wise. By doing this GameFreak would get more haters and more QQ than if the game sucked =/

shengar June 1st, 2010 4:33 AM

Not a chance. That only make the game even more inbalance. What happen if Gyarados and Charizard gain dragon type? I hope not, because i hate battling them even with their current type.

LethalTexture June 1st, 2010 5:03 AM

I can pretty much guarantee that it won't happen. As others have said, it would imbalance the game so much almost to the point of it becoming unplayable.

vibratingcat June 1st, 2010 5:18 AM

doubt it would happen. with black and white, it seems like they're going for simplicity. putting in 3 types would ruin it.

Hybrid Theory June 1st, 2010 5:23 AM

Two types are too much to deal with, nevermind three! >_>

Rengoku June 1st, 2010 6:18 AM

I certainly won't want the change of having just two types (Though Gyarados and Charizard really deserved to be Dragon :P)

Germaniac June 1st, 2010 6:22 AM

No, maybe they need rework on the types

RYOUKI June 1st, 2010 6:32 AM

No. Too uber. The point of making many types is that no one could be at an advantage or a disadvantage. That's what abilities are for, to try to make the Pokemon stronger without relying on its typing. Like, Volt Absorb, Motor Drive, Wonder Guard, Snow Cloak and Chlorophyll.

Cloudfall June 1st, 2010 6:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5846220)
Hm... I really don't see that happening... But then again, after these games, the Ruby and Sapphire remakes are next, supposedly.

We already know that there is an attack that raises ACCURACY and Attack. So it IS possible...

But I'd hate to see another legendary dragon get murdered by repeated earthquakes... :(

Forget types, what about abilities... What abilities you think these guys'll have? Levitate? Pressure? or something new?

I guess they'll have Levitate, seeing as to how they have wings and all... Somehow I doubt they'll be like Dialga and Palkia with Pressure. I mean, Reshiram and Zekrom have wings... At the very least, it would be nice to see if these wings had an actual part to play in-game.

Also, has anyone ever thought that Reshiram's typing could very well be Dragon/Ice? It hasn't been done before, and Reshiram's whole 'pure' look goes pretty well with Ice imo. Just my two cents. :3

Satoshi_poketo monsta June 1st, 2010 6:46 AM

I wonder if those two Legendary is a Robot-like Pokemon being. When I look at Zekrom, There's some kind of lines thing all over its body, And Reshiram I don't know for sure but their names are Robot-like. :p

PiPVoda June 1st, 2010 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 5843962)
Electric/Dragon is pretty cool, and makes sense. It's the industrial thing people are talking about. Though Grass/Dragon Reshiram, I'm not fond off. Makes sense though.

woh woh woh....now we're talking about Zekrom possibly being electric/dragon? Cool combo, but not as good as dark/dragon. Wouldn't that combo (electric/dragon) better suit Reshima? I mean when I think electricity I don't think some black looking pokemon that looks engineered from scratch; I think of something of a ligher-shade (yellow..to sky blue..to white) that has a more 'natural' appearance if I should call it that.

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 5846157)
Now that I think about it... Zekrom does sound like an Electric-Type name.

To an extent...yes, but truthfully at first--and still sorta now--I don't see the resemblance. :D

Sakura Rain June 1st, 2010 8:48 AM

I LOVE RESHIRAM

It'll be awesome if Reshiram is Dragon/Ice. Zekrom...I don't really like it all that much. D;

PiPVoda June 1st, 2010 8:50 AM

Everybody else just summed it up. 3 types would just mean more confusions for me and imbalances in the game. We should really work on combining more of the types we have now instead.

Cyberglass June 1st, 2010 9:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Psydragon (Post 5844635)

On a side note, what is up with Flygon's evoloution chain ? Garchomp makes sense. Gible and Gabite look like mini Garchomps. Vibrava looks like a mini Flygon, but what in the world is trapinch ? It looks like it would turn into a Mawile. Even Yanma would have been a more sensible pre-evolutionary form than Trapinch is. They could have kept the whole dragonfly thing going.

Actually, Flygon is not based on a dragonfly at all; rather, it is based on an antlion, a large desert insect whose large-jawed larva build pits in the sand and wait at the bottom for passing insects to fall in. The evolution chain actually mirrors the changes that occur during the antlion's metamorphosis. That the larva burrows into the sand makes it natural that Trapinch is Ground-type, although Ground/Bug would make more sense than Ground/Dragon.

Bluerang1 June 1st, 2010 11:13 AM

What I'm thinking is in Black, they'll be a Black-Ou. And in White, they'll be a Whitewash. Like my concept, due to forces clashing :D

luigimario94 June 1st, 2010 12:01 PM

I was going to get Black, but Zekrom... words cannot describe his awesome power!!!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 1st, 2010 2:48 PM

If Reshiram is Dragon/fire and Zekrom is Dragon/Electric... the third one will most likely be Dragon/Ice or if Reshiram is Dragon/Ice then the Third one will be Dragon/Fire much like the bird trio...with dragon rather than flying...and more powerful...

IsThatAnUmbreonIsee? June 1st, 2010 2:59 PM

on serabii it says they are both part dragon so no pure flying =(

Gary Oak FTW June 1st, 2010 3:02 PM

These are my favorite legendaries.

Arma June 1st, 2010 3:09 PM

Both Zekrom & Reshiram really have impressed me. I expected to see some really lame designs for the legendaries after gen IV, but these really look great. Zekrom doesn't strike me as a dragon-type though. It more closely resembles a Dark/steel type to me.

I'm pretty sure I'm getting white now that I've seen Zekrom.

PiPVoda June 1st, 2010 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5847538)
If Reshiram is Dragon/fire and Zekrom is Dragon/Electric... the third one will most likely be Dragon/Ice or if Reshiram is Dragon/Ice then the Third one will be Dragon/Fire much like the bird trio...with dragon rather than flying...and more powerful...


Dragon/fire for Reshiram? I think that the Dragon/Ice would better suit it, and the third would be dragon/fire (if they're having a trio thing again). Nevertheless, nice combos.

Fli June 1st, 2010 4:30 PM

Actually, I have thought of this idea before too. And every time I bashed it down as wishful thinking and for the reasons already mentioned. I can't say why I want that either because the two types is already too much for me to remember (ex: Use thunder! Oh you [opponent] are part ground? What??? Well then, use ___(fill in a move here)__ instead. note to self- so-and-so is ground.... so-and-so appears again. Use thunder. It doesn't affect so-and-so. Oh yeah, how did I forget that you were part ground?) Though unlikely, I think it would be interesting if the legendaries (only legendaries, I shudder to think of the annoyances if it was every pokemon) were three types.

Also, Charizard never seemed like dragon to me, but Gyarados... He is not a flying type. At all. (in my mind at least) Where are his wings? He swims!

Åzurε June 1st, 2010 7:40 PM

Feh, I wish they'd say Zekrom wasn't Electric. I can see why they'd choose that, kinda. It's just not what I would have chosen.

Magmarizer June 1st, 2010 8:00 PM

I really love reshiram, and zekrom is okay. I dont think theyre going to be new types in this generation, so i think reshiram-normal/dragon, zekrom-dark/dragon.

If they introduced light pokemon, i think it would be too yugiohish.

Pikachukid June 1st, 2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fli (Post 5847766)
Actually, I have thought of this idea before too. And every time I bashed it down as wishful thinking and for the reasons already mentioned. I can't say why I want that either because the two types is already too much for me to remember (ex: Use thunder! Oh you [opponent] are part ground? What??? Well then, use ___(fill in a move here)__ instead. note to self- so-and-so is ground.... so-and-so appears again. Use thunder. It doesn't affect so-and-so. Oh yeah, how did I forget that you were part ground?) Though unlikely, I think it would be interesting if the legendaries (only legendaries, I shudder to think of the annoyances if it was every pokemon) were three types.

Also, Charizard never seemed like dragon to me, but Gyarados... He is not a flying type. At all. (in my mind at least) Where are his wings? He swims!


I would really get confused too. I can usually remember most of the pokemon and what types they are but three types would be way too complicated. You said it might be possible that it could be Dragon/Dark/Thunder? So it is weak to Ice, Fighting, Bug, Ground, Dragon and is unaffected by Psychic? This is too much to process. Even now I had to think really hard and reread what I had written just to write his weaknessess down. I think they won't do it. Why? Too complicated. See? Simplicity is way better.

Oh yeah and Gyarados is based on a japanese (or chinese? I forget) legend that if a fish jumped over some waterfall it would transform into a dragon and those dragons were like flying snakes with arms. I know you've seen them. Like in American Dragon:Jake Long his grandpa is that type of dragon. no wings but since he's a magical being he can fly...Yeah that makes sense.

Manganum June 1st, 2010 10:06 PM

No. Please never let this happen. I will cry.

Tanaki June 1st, 2010 11:55 PM

There is no way they would do that. It would be so unspeakably bogus and impossible to win most battles. Too many 1-type pokemon and pokemon with limited movesets would become entirely unusable and the game would cease to be good in any aspect.

curiousnathan June 2nd, 2010 12:06 AM

It would be very confusing especisally to those who plan and create offical battling teams. OU and UU ect. Plus it would take the little bit of simplicity left in the games. Nintendo will lose many fans and players and once the word gets around the White and Black games will probably be a fail. And we don't want that. Even to those who just play the game for fun, "like me" it would be confusing because I do use type advantages and disadvantages to good use.

Haza June 2nd, 2010 12:13 AM

Games that make you think are a good thing... people, stop being so simple. New Types won't be THAT dramatic when it comes to remembering resistances and such all over again. It's still the same math.

curiousnathan June 2nd, 2010 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 5848372)
Games that make you think are a good thing... people, stop being so simple. New Types won't be THAT dramatic when it comes to remembering resistances and such all over again. It's still the same math.

More types = More Math = People getting bored of statistics, and bored with the game altogether. It is supposed to be fun; it's a game.


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