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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 29th, 2010 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JAK3 (Post 5839905)
Hey cool, they look awesome. Looks like I will be getting Zekrom, I said I would be getting White from the very Beginning, so there you have it, I will admit though, they share a resemblance to Digimon, but hey, Who cares, they are still Pokemon.

I agree with you, I was also going to get white from the beginning and still am...i hate it how people who said they were going to get Black have all of a sudden shift towards white after this reveal! Serebii said something about the games having more differences between them other than the traditional differences...wonder what they are...


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Originally Posted by Karel_Kazuki (Post 5839911)
BIGGEST LOAD OF CRAP I HEARD!

Has anyone even noticed that in every generation, except 2(you would probably consider Tyranitar a dragon.) that there was only one set of Dragons?

Dragonite fam
Salamance fam
Garchomp fam
Flygon fam

Legendaries
Sinnoh 3
Rayquaza

Seriously?There arent ENOUGH dragons.


I agree about the Psychic too.And I didnt mean it like that i mean Giratina easily gets PWNED.

Lol I thought you mean't that but wasn't sure... of course it would pawn Gira if it's Dragon/dark, plus it's design already pawns Gira...You forgot to put Latios and latias in you list...this is the second Yin-yang pair that is part dragon after the Latis!

Waffle-San May 29th, 2010 4:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rilence (Post 5838191)
Can I cancel Dragon out of Weakness?
Since Ice resists Dragons :D
It'll be much like Dialga whom can resist dragon cos' of it's steel too.

I wish, but Ice sadly only resists Ice. But I'd love if it did resist Dragon as well.

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Originally Posted by >Feelings< (Post 5838563)
No. Pure Dragon types only have a 2X weakness to Ice, just for the record.

This time, a lot of things might be different, as from what it sound like when they said there will be more differences.
It's also something to think about when the Pokemon of one colour is the version mascot for the opposite colour. Maybe it has something to do too?

Based purely on looks, I like both of them a lot, but I like Reshiram even more, with its awesome angelic elegance and holy-like feeling.
It has a slight resemblance to Sphinx, maybe?
Reshiram would be even more awesome to me if its hand and arm was separate from its wings.
Zekrom's tail isn't that good, but works.

I know my wish means nothing now, but I really wished they would not be dragon types, even if they did look like dragon types to me.
That's because there has been too many dragon type Legendary Pokemon lately.
I would rather have a Light/Flying type for Reshiram, and Dark/Steel or Dark/Flying type for Zekrom.
But given the latest news, I'm newly hoping for them to be Light/Dragon and Dark/Dragon type respectively, with the 'Levitate' ability.
And I don't care if the typing doesn't sound good or anything, because it feels like they should be of this type to me.

Dark/Dragon only has 3 2X weakness, but 6 2X resistances and one immunity. That's actually good.
Light/Dragon... Who know about that? Light may be weak to Dark and Dark may also be weak to Light.

I don't know whether to be happy or not about their name being the same in English.
I don't like the idea of another Dragon trio, since it's kind of obvious that a third one will pop out in a while.
Finally, the designs may look Digimon-like at first sight, but I like Reshiram a whole lot still for now, and I like Zekrom too.

It'd have 4 2X weaknesses, Dragon has a 2X Weakness to both Ice and Dragon.
And am I the only one who feels they don't have to have "opposite" typings to oppose eachother?

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Originally Posted by Yamikarasu (Post 5839027)
What? No. No offense, but that just doesn't seem likely at all. Although I'm sure they do look through a lot of fanart they are sent or that is posted on the internet for ideas.

I'm going to give Gamefreak a break for making these part Dragon type. Dragon has traditionally been the "most powerful" type (let's forget about Psychic, kthx) and I think it at least makes sense that they are part Dragon, just so long as they are also part Light and part Dark, respectively.



Penis? Look at Palkia. Now look at Palkia again, this time noticing its circular, almost balls-esque shoulder plates, and its long neck and rounded head. Yeah. I don't think the internet is going to mind much about this tuft of feathers.

I agree with you completely here, I mean here's a picture of Zekrom and Palkia. (They're big...)



They have some body shape similiarities but they're quite obviously different pokemon.


I have to say I'm very pleased with these Legends the only thing I don't like about them is their names but whatever, I'll get used to them. Also I see Dragon/Steel or Dragon/Dark for Zekrom and;
Dragon/Normal, Dragon/Flying or Dragon/Steel for Reshiram. Just please game freak, no Psychic legends!!

Karel_Kazuki May 29th, 2010 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5839918)
I agree with you, I was also going to get white from the beginning and still am...i hate it how people who said they were going to get Black have all of a sudden shift towards white after this reveal! Serebii said something about the games having more differences between them other than the traditional differences...wonder what they are...


Lol I thought you mean't that but wasn't sure... of course it would pawn Gira if it's Dragon/dark, plus it's design already pawns Gira...You forgot to put Latios and latias in you list...this is the second Yin-yang pair that is part dragon after the Latis!

I forgot about them.But then again, they reminded me too much of Lugia and by first glance you would say they're dragons but theyre just Birds.

Even then, its still not enough dragon.I think there are more bug types than anything.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 29th, 2010 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Karel_Kazuki (Post 5839933)
I forgot about them.But then again, they reminded me too much of Lugia and by first glance you would say they're dragons but theyre just Birds.

Even then, its still not enough dragon.I think there are more bug types than anything.

..the Latis are Dragon type... not flying... The white one will have the same type combo as the Latis actually Dragon/psychic...if light type isn't made... I like the names also, they sound cool much better than Dialga and Palkia,Lugia and Ho-oh!

Waffle-San May 29th, 2010 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Karel_Kazuki (Post 5839911)
BIGGEST LOAD OF CRAP I HEARD!

Has anyone even noticed that in every generation, except 2(you would probably consider Tyranitar a dragon.) that there was only one set of Dragons?

Dragonite fam
Salamance fam
Garchomp fam
Flygon fam

Legendaries
Sinnoh 3
Rayquaza

Seriously?There arent ENOUGH dragons.

Gen 1 had Dragonite family
Gen 2 had Kingdra
Gen 3 had the Salamence family, the Flygon family (minus Trapinch) and Altaria
Gen 4 had the Garchomp family

For Legends

Gen 1 had none
Gen 2 had none
Gen 3 had Rayquaza, Latios and Latias
Gen 4 had Dialga, Palkia and Giratina

I love Dragon pokemon so I won't complain about them but there have been alot of dragon legends in the past 2 generations. (Not that I disagree with that)

As for non legendaries, I think 4 Dragons a generation would suffice, generation 3 had a little much. I only say this because Dragon's are supposed to be the epitemy of Power, if they were walking around everywhere they wouldn't exactly be rare or regarded with the wonder that they are. Which is exactly why Dragon makes a good Legendary Pokemon type!!

Karel_Kazuki May 29th, 2010 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5839947)
..the Latis are Dragon type... not flying... The white one will have the same type combo as the Latis actually Dragon/psychic...if light type isn't made... I like the names also, they sound cool much better than Dialga and Palkia,Lugia and Ho-oh!

Yeah but Dialga and Palkia were only named so because of the name of the games and what it took to get them.I dont know about Lugia or Ho-oh though.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 29th, 2010 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Waffle-San (Post 5839951)
Gen 1 had Dragonite family
Gen 2 had Kingdra
Gen 3 had the Salamence family, the Flygon family (minus Trapinch) and Altaria
Gen 4 had the Garchomp family

For Legends

Gen 1 had none
Gen 2 had none
Gen 3 had Rayquaza, Latios and Latias
Gen 4 had Dialga, Palkia and Giratina

I love Dragon pokemon so I won't complain about them but there have been alot of dragon legends in the past 2 generations. (Not that I disagree with that)

As for non legendaries, I think 4 Dragons a generation would suffice, generation 3 had a little much. I only say this because Dragon's are supposed to be the epitemy of Power, if they were walking around everywhere they wouldn't exactly be rare or regarded with the wonder that they are. Which is exactly why Dragon makes a good Legendary Pokemon type!!

yup they do make a good Legendary type all dragons with the exceptions of Flygon, Alteria, and Kingdra are Psuedo legendary or legendary!

Karel_Kazuki May 29th, 2010 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Waffle-San (Post 5839951)
Gen 1 had Dragonite family
Gen 2 had Kingdra
Gen 3 had the Salamence family, the Flygon family (minus Trapinch) and Altaria
Gen 4 had the Garchomp family

For Legends

Gen 1 had none
Gen 2 had none
Gen 3 had Rayquaza, Latios and Latias
Gen 4 had Dialga, Palkia and Giratina

I love Dragon pokemon so I won't complain about them but there have been alot of dragon legends in the past 2 generations. (Not that I disagree with that)

As for non legendaries, I think 4 Dragons a generation would suffice, generation 3 had a little much. I only say this because Dragon's are supposed to be the epitemy of Power, if they were walking around everywhere they wouldn't exactly be rare or regarded with the wonder that they are. Which is exactly why Dragon makes a good Legendary Pokemon type!!

Yep I realized that by the end of Generation 3.Bugs are the shortest to evolve, easiest to find and I believe has the most weaknesses? While Dragons are the longest to evolve, harder to find, and has only two weaknesses(One for Palkia).But they have the strength to match the time it takes, while I , personally, get sick of bugs by level 15.

Waffle-San May 29th, 2010 4:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5839955)

yup they do make a good Legendary type all dragons with the exceptions of Flygon, Alteria, and Kingdra are Psuedo legendary or legendary!

And Altaria is the only Dragon whose not in OU/Uber.

/Circa May 29th, 2010 4:44 PM

The black one has a massive jet engine as it's tail, it could possibly be steel type?

shot571 May 29th, 2010 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5839879)
..I mean't type advantage...wise... That's why I think we need a light type or we would see the one sidedness again like we did in gen 1,3,4...wait this is part of a tradition isn't it... only gen 2 broke this...
Can't wait until I get White so I can have my cool Mecha like dragon demon like Mascot...too bad I don't get it until after I'm almost done with the game...

Gen 2 had it as well didnt it. Lugia>Ho-oh ? :s

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 29th, 2010 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Waffle-San (Post 5839966)
And Altaria is the only Dragon whose not in OU/Uber.

so true...actually one of the reason I think Altaria needs a evo...
Wonder what the third one will look like and if they will give it a new forme come the third version like they did with gira... or was that a time third version thing... guess we will have to wait until Pokemon Grey version until then...

Mattysaurus May 29th, 2010 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by /Circa (Post 5839976)
The black one has a massive jet engine as it's tail, it could possibly be steel type?

I though it had a more 'Slowbro' type thing. But, maybe?

SIN1488 May 29th, 2010 4:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattysaurus (Post 5839988)


I though it had a more 'Slowbro' type thing. But, maybe?

lol, I knew I couldn't be the only one to notice that.

dozo May 29th, 2010 5:53 PM

I. NEED. RESHIRAM.
It's beautiful. I'll probably wait until Grey or whatever comes out so I can get both though. I'm so excited nowwww.

GoldvsRed May 29th, 2010 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shot571 (Post 5839978)
Gen 2 had it as well didnt it. Lugia>Ho-oh ? :s

Lugia isn't a Water-Type... It's Psychic/Flying-Type. Of course, it might as well have been a Water-Type, and the recent TCG cards of it show it as such... And it even learns Hydro pump by Level-Up. So, yeah... As much as I love that awesome rainbow-fire-sunshine-golden-god-chicken, Lugia would kick its feathered ass in battle.

PiPVoda May 29th, 2010 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Waffle-San (Post 5839951)
Gen 1 had Dragonite family
Gen 2 had Kingdra
Gen 3 had the Salamence family, the Flygon family (minus Trapinch) and Altaria
Gen 4 had the Garchomp family

For Legends

Gen 1 had none
Gen 2 had none
Gen 3 had Rayquaza, Latios and Latias
Gen 4 had Dialga, Palkia and Giratina

I love Dragon pokemon so I won't complain about them but there have been alot of dragon legends in the past 2 generations. (Not that I disagree with that)

As for non legendaries, I think 4 Dragons a generation would suffice, generation 3 had a little much. I only say this because Dragon's are supposed to be the epitemy of Power, if they were walking around everywhere they wouldn't exactly be rare or regarded with the wonder that they are. Which is exactly why Dragon makes a good Legendary Pokemon type!!

True true. 4 Dragons a gen not including legendaries? Hmmm, I think we should be given two dragon families and maybe a dragon that doesn't evolve? We haven't had that yet. Though I imagine it would be pretty strong considering it would have no evos.

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Originally Posted by GoldvsRed (Post 5840166)
Lugia isn't a Water-Type... It's Psychic/Flying-Type. Of course, it might as well have been a Water-Type, and the recent TCG cards of it show it as such... And it even learns Hydro pump by Level-Up. So, yeah... As much as I love that awesome rainbow-fire-sunshine-golden-god-chicken, Lugia would kick its feathered ass in battle.

Nuh-oh..just depends on how you raise yours :D.

Åzurε May 29th, 2010 7:06 PM

IMO, Dragon is a good type for Legendaries. However, they shouldn't just stick with that. We have 16 other types, and they haven't even used some of them. I could think up a good Bug right now, more than likely. I'm leaning towards giant beetle.

GoldvsRed May 29th, 2010 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PiPVoda (Post 5840218)
Nuh-oh..just depends on how you raise yours :D.

Yeah, Ho-Oh with Punishment is awesome against Psychic-Types.

PiPVoda May 29th, 2010 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 5840224)
IMO, Dragon is a good type for Legendaries. However, they shouldn't just stick with that. We have 16 other types, and they haven't even used some of them. I could think up a good Bug right now, more than likely. I'm leaning towards giant beetle.

The types that I predict will definitely not get much action, unfortunately, in the legendary pkmn category are:

Normal/flying
Bug
Fighting (maybe...we don't have one yet but it'd be sweet if we did)

Arc May 29th, 2010 7:15 PM

Oh man, both look awesome. But I'm gonna choose Zekrom as the better looking one ;D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 29th, 2010 8:37 PM

These mascots are the best looking mascots since Groudon and Kyogre! Zekrom has markings or lines in it's neck and part of it's face that make it look mecha like plus, I like these marking actually and it's mecha look and I also like Reshiram's natural look... the only part not natural about it is it's tail... I bet their Signature moves will have to do with their tails Reshiram will most likely send a beam of light out from it's tail and Zekrom's signature move will be a drill like move involving it's "wind turbine".

Hibaru May 29th, 2010 8:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrage (Post 5840237)
Oh man, both look awesome. But I'm gonna choose Zekrom as the better looking one ;D

Me too. I like both, But not much for Reshiram!

vibratingcat May 29th, 2010 8:53 PM

i might get both as they're both awesome. i still think its weird that the black pokemon is in white and vice versa. i guess it looks nicer on the box.

PiPVoda May 29th, 2010 8:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5840374)
These mascots are the best looking mascots since Groudon and Kyogre! Zekrom has markings or lines in it's neck and part of it's face that make it look mecha like plus, I like these marking actually and it's mecha look and I also like Reshiram's natural look... the only part not natural about it is it's tail... I bet their Signature moves will have to do with their tails Reshiram will most likely send a beam of light out from it's tail and Zekrom's signature move will be a drill like move involving it's "wind turbine".

Yeah I wonder what they're sigs will be, can't wait to find out when the games come out.


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