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Haza May 30th, 2010 12:57 AM

Dude, you should calm down. The reason why Heaven and Hell are too extreme is obvious, drop it.

Volroc May 30th, 2010 1:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5840765)
Yes I did rather like the whole back-story with Lugia in SoulSilver. Although, in accordance to the anime, HeartGold makes a little more sense.

Doesn't really matter as both games are AMAZING and I wish The Pokemon Company would push them another year, much like they did with the originals but alas.

And all it takes is a Rock-Type MOVE... Not just a Pokemon. Or an Earthquake, if the player is DUMB enough to use Roost over Recover on Ho-oh.



And changing the volume of land and sea or distorting reality are NOT too extreme for children?! lol There is DEATH in EVERY SINGLE Disney Movie and most of those (if not all of them) are considered child friendly! HELL, MOST ARE G-RATED!!!

Also, the game characters are OLDER! It only makes sense that this game is meant to have a more mature audience! Not that this will stop 10 year olds and the like from playing these games as well it should not but people hear about religion ALL the time, no matter how it may get censored by the media. The more I think about it, Heaven and Hell make PERFECT Sense! It's really the only SENSIBLE way I can see it going.

I could be wrong, but that's how I'm calling it right now.

you do know 4kids ****s everything up right?
look at the butcher job they did to yugioh 5Ds, one piece (til they lost rights to it) 4Kids still has slight dominion over pokemon, so you know if its life& death, theyll piss& moan til is becomes life & "they went off on a journey" or some lame BS like that

Setosama May 30th, 2010 1:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 5840777)
Dude, you should calm down. The reason why Heaven and Hell are too extreme is obvious, drop it.

It is NOT too extreme! It is, however, too awesome of an idea to NOT pass it up. The game has matured and evolved over the last 13 years. (14 if you go by the release date of the original Red and Green Versions in Japan.) That's right folks, Pokemon is 14 Years Old now!

Probably also why the main characters in these games are ALSO older than previous ones. We've already had that revealed a while ago. Also, if it does turn out the way I say, you know for sure it will be watered down over here and else where... For example, calling Dialga and Palkia "dieties" instead of "gods"... Or simply just calling them "guardians" will suffice in most cases.

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Originally Posted by Volroc (Post 5840784)
you do know 4kids ****s everything up right?
look at the butcher job they did to yugioh 5Ds, one piece (til they lost rights to it) 4Kids still has slight dominion over pokemon, so you know if its life& death, theyll piss& moan til is becomes life & "they went off on a journey" or some lame BS like that

Yes, I refuse to watch the english dub for 5D's and anything else they get their hands on. And, really, they don't. If they did, the VAs would probably not have been changed. It's REALLY the "Freakin' FCC" and humanity going through that whole touchy phase again.

We can't show guns anymore? Why? Children used to watch westerns all the time back in the day! Try making a western without firearms and see how it works. 4Kids is B>A>D-Bad, and they may be the devil (along with Leo Burnet of course) but the censorship spawns from something much, MUCH, worse.

Also, you forgot "the next dimension". lol :D

On another note... WHAT?! POKEMON HAS LASTED 14 YEARS?! WOW!!! Awesome! Be thankful we're even getting these things at all. Even the programmers thought it would die out after GSC! ;)

Haza May 30th, 2010 1:23 AM

You don't bring the concept of Heaven and Hell into a children's series is all I'm saying, and Pokemon is already known for having negative feedback from the churches anyway. There is no way in HELL that they'd purposefully bring that upon themselves... and they (Reshiram and Zekrom) don't even really look like that is what they represent...

Setosama May 30th, 2010 1:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 5840800)
You don't bring the concept of Heaven and Hell into a children's series is all I'm saying, and Pokemon is already known for having negative feedback from the churches anyway. There is no way in HELL that they'd purposefully bring that upon themselves... and they (Reshiram and Zekrom) don't even really look like that is what they represent...

Really? Because I remember hearing a while back that the pope said pokemon was perfectly fine.

And there are PLENTY of different variations of heaven and hell OUTSIDE of Christianity you know. The games are Japanese. We are all pretty much sure that these dragons are gonna be classified as dieties (gods). It's not like Reshiram is God and Zekrom is The Devil. Although, really, Digimon got away with having Angels and Devils and Digimon Adventure (AKA Season 1) was considered a KIDS SHOW. It's already been stated by MANY a person that these Pokemon bear a STRIKING resemblance to Digimon's character artstyle.

Myles May 30th, 2010 1:32 AM

4Kids no longer has any affliation with Pokemon, so why even grin them up? Besides they didn't have any power over GameFreak/Nintendo/etc.

Were dialga and Palkia called deities? Either way deity means god anyway.

Oh and digimon was always more 'mature' in that way. And the later series started to get pretty dark too.

Setosama May 30th, 2010 1:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Myles (Post 5840813)
4Kids no longer has any affliation with Pokemon, so why even grin them up? Besides they didn't have any power over GameFreak/Nintendo/etc.

Were dialga and Palkia called deities? Either way deity means god anyway.

Watch the English Dub for Movie 10: "The Rise of Darkrai".

And while it DOES mean the same thing, to me, it kinda downgrades their status a bit...

However, at least they actually call them dieties instead of "beasts"... I'm looking at YOU 4KIDS! (Watch 2000)

The main characters is Digimon were ALSO older than Pokemon as well.

Also, I hate that I'm gonna hafta wait until at least AUGUST to hear what their Legendary Battle Music sounds like. :(

Alkaide May 30th, 2010 2:19 AM

The black one is deadly cool.

Teh white one is not much appealing, though, IMO.

Haza May 30th, 2010 2:33 AM

After what Pokebeach posted earlier this morning, I'm quite convinced that there just might be a Light type... the name Reshiram has a direct connection to Light, but relating to the time of day, and Zekron with darkness and night. That, and the fact that they'd reveal the legendary Pokemon without giving us their types...

Also, I feel like these legendary Pokemon are the epitome of Darkness and Light... and Zekron's special move will be called Black Hole, and Reshiram will have White Out

Setosama May 30th, 2010 2:43 AM

lolz, that would be interesting attacks.

Anyways, while these games ARE exciting, and I EAGERLY await their arrival, I think I'll be even MORE anxious when the Ruby and Sapphire Re-Makes are announced...

All things considered though... I AM looking forward to THIS generation more than I was for Diamond and Pearl.

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Originally Posted by Alkaide (Post 5840870)
The black one is deadly cool.

Teh white one is not much appealing, though, IMO.

I thought the same, at first... But the more I look AT Reshiram, the more I like it.

It could also just be that it's a White Dragon with Blue-Eyes... :D

It is also VERY elegant.

I can definitely say that, as far as design goes, while Zekrom DOES look VERY badass... Reshiram's tail looks WAY better... And Doggy-face kinda grows on me as well! X3

Rengoku May 30th, 2010 2:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5840893)
lolz, that would be interesting attacks.

Anyways, while these games ARE exciting, and I EAGERLY await their arrival, I think I'll be even MORE anxious when the Ruby and Sapphire Re-Makes are announced...

All things considered though... I AM looking forward to THIS generation more than I was for Diamond and Pearl.



I thought the same, at first... But the more I look AT Reshiram, the more I like it.

It could also just be that it's a White Dragon with Blue-Eyes... :D

It is also VERY elegant.

I can definitely say that, as far as design goes, while Zekrom DOES look VERY badass... Reshiram's tail looks WAY better... And Doggy-face kinda grows on me as well! X3

-Tackleglomp-
Yesyes! Elegant! :D

Flare Riqueza May 30th, 2010 2:50 AM

My thoughts "oh christ, I'm not buying them. I hope they're on normal DSi etc. though, coz I want an R/S remake".

Seriously, more dragons???

And I can just tell the whole story will be based on them!

I prefer how G/S/C/Hg/Ss did it. Not much backstory, but you still meet them.

Or even better.....the R/G/B/Y/Fr/Lg way: you don't even have to realise they exist!

Setosama May 30th, 2010 2:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rilence (Post 5840901)
-Tackleglomp-
Yesyes! Elegant! :D

OW! I THINK YOU BROKE MY... Mmmmmmm... Ribs........... lol

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Honestly... There's something about these new pokemon... The more I look at them, the more I like them.

And while at first glance, Zekrom seems like the more badass of the two of 'em... And then I take a closer look at Reshiram...

Look at Reshiram's face! It's gaze! SCARY! It has that look of: "You call me 'girly' and you are SO gonna die!" I think that Reshiram will end up surprising A LOT of people out there.

Rengoku May 30th, 2010 2:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Flare Riqueza (Post 5840903)
My thoughts "oh christ, I'm not buying them. I hope they're on normal DSi etc. though, coz I want an R/S remake".

Seriously, more dragons???

And I can just tell the whole story will be based on them!

I prefer how G/S/C/Hg/Ss did it. Not much backstory, but you still meet them.

Or even better.....the R/G/B/Y/Fr/Lg way: you don't even have to realise they exist!

I just hope it's not only for DSi s:
(I got 2 DSL, seriously)

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5840913)
OW! I THINK YOU BROKE MY... Mmmmmmm... Ribs........... lol

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Honestly... There's something about these new pokemon... The more I look at them, the more I like them.

And while at first glance, Zekrom seems like the more badass of the two of 'em... And then I take a closer look at Reshiram...

Look at Reshiram's face! It's gaze! SCARY! It has that look of: "You call me 'girly' and you are SO gonna die!" I think that Reshiram will end up surprising A LOT of people out there.

*Replace Ribs*
:P

And yeahs, she's just, gorgeously deadly!

Haza May 30th, 2010 3:00 AM

Haha, it is funny how we all start saying the same things... I too fell for Zekrom initially but now I am really starting to appreciate Reshiram... it's beautiful and it will be the most unique Dragon Type yet... being non-reptilian like Altaria.

Setosama May 30th, 2010 3:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rilence (Post 5840914)
I just hope it's not only for DSi s:
(I got 2 DSL, seriously)



*Replace Ribs*
:P

And yeahs, she's just, gorgeously deadly!

One of the reasons I am actually looking FORWARD to this Gen. Maybe I'll be able to play it right away! Doing it for only the DSi and on is STUPID! DSi sucks anyways. I have an old RED DS that I got JUST to play SoulSilver.

And, you know that "SHE" is probably gonna be genderless right?

Unfortunately, even if Reshiram DOES have a gender, you probably won't be able to breed it.

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 5840920)
Haha, it is funny how we all start saying the same things... I too fell for Zekrom initially but now I am really starting to appreciate Reshiram... it's beautiful and it will be the most unique Dragon Type yet... being non-reptilian like Altaria.

Yeah, Altaria was a bit of a disappointment stats wise...

Although, it IS the only Dragon that can Perish Song... That counts for something right?

Rengoku May 30th, 2010 3:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Setosama (Post 5840923)
One of the reasons I am actually looking FORWARD to this Gen. Maybe I'll be able to play it right away! Doing it for only the DSi and on is STUPID! DSi sucks anyways. I have an old RED DS that I got JUST to play SoulSilver.

And, you know that "SHE" is probably gonna be genderless right?

Unfortunately, even if Reshiram DOES have a gender, you probably won't be able to breed it.

Yeah, I only call her and her just because she looks more gracefully evil :P

&&. Yeah it'll be silly if it's an DSi-only game.

Myles May 30th, 2010 3:09 AM

I, too, am warming up to Reshiram more now.

And I'd say there's a different code for DSi-exclusive.

Hibaru May 30th, 2010 3:28 AM

The one I like about Reshiram is because its unique and I like its Blue Eyes. Zekrom, Its cool with the Black color like a machine especially its Arms and the Foots like Palkia!

Rich Boy Rob May 30th, 2010 4:38 AM

Judging by what was posted on Pokébeach I think I'm getting what will be the storyline of these games; I think Team Generic will try to summon either Zekrom or Reshiram (depending on version) and in White will try to create eternal night and in Black create eternal day. Similar Ruby & Sapphire did with land and sea. Alternatively it could be to do with eclipses.

As long as the legendaries have a decent backstory I'm happy. Even if it isn't explicitly noted in the main story.

seeker May 30th, 2010 5:51 AM

Some of the most original deisgns I've seen for a pokemon. in fact, they almost look like Digimon to be quite frank. But they're really really awesome, I'm happy with the outcome. My only issue is the "White" legendary actually looks quite demonic rather than a pure hearted being.

x0xave May 30th, 2010 6:15 AM

Well Reshiram is for Pokemon Black.
Zekrom is for Pokemon White.
Reshiram could be the Pokemon of the day.
Were as Zekrom could be the pokemon of the night.
Both pokemon hold the key to Day/Night.
Put them together, you can rule the planets weather, and life source.? I Don't know. :D

Yeah, there is some extra content, and speacil stuff for people whoi have the DSi. There could be more to do with the pokemon games.

billi1000 May 30th, 2010 6:51 AM

Could Zekrom be a man-made Pokemon? Its covered entirely with armour plates and has a jet engine as a tail, and seems pretty bionic and robotic, so it is plausible.
As well, these legends may represent heaven/hell, day/night, angel/demon, good/evil, how knows... but as long as there's a good storyline supporting the theme, the outcome should be epic.

NA3LKER May 30th, 2010 8:07 AM

definately prefer the black one

ComedyQuest May 30th, 2010 8:33 AM

For the first time, I'm gonna buy both games from one generation. All thanks to these beautifully designed legendaries.


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