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PokéToast May 28th, 2010 3:42 PM

Charizard-like Pokémon in Gen V?
 
http://www.digimon-generation.org/bilder/adventure/greymon.gif

Just a play with humor, but really... is anyone else scared that B/W is seeming to turn into a form of Digimon?

Bluerang1 May 28th, 2010 4:14 PM

The Legends don't look very "Pokémon". But then again, what is "Pokémon"?

lx_theo May 28th, 2010 4:34 PM

The more realistic looking detail you add to a Pokemon, the less it feels like a Pokemon.

PiPVoda May 28th, 2010 4:37 PM

lx_theo: couldn't have said it any better! Though I fail to see the 'realism' in Zekrom and Reshiram.

Poster, I don't think they resemble digimon as much now as I did when I first laid eyes on them. Actually I'd say they pass Dialga/Palkia and maybe even Kyogre/Groudon in looks. **possibly even lugia/ho-oh but I don't wanna upset the j-lovers tonight^^**

Niprop May 28th, 2010 4:42 PM

I don't see digimon at all. If anything, the two legendary Pokémon are Arceus-like in appearance, and the dark one has similarities to Palkia.

lx_theo May 28th, 2010 4:48 PM

Picture as reference for me and others:



@PiPVoda

How do I phrase this... The best way I can think of is comparing two similar legendaries, Lugia and Reshiram. Lugia exemplifies a more simple beauty to the designs that has become more of a Pokemon feel. The difference is two thing primarily. Cartoonishness (real word?) and the detail of the details. A traditional Pokemon feeling Pokemon tends to have a more cartoonish look to it, these are slightly more, as I'd call it, matured in that sense of design. What contributes to that is the the detail in the detail. A small addition of detail all around can add a more realistic look, like instead of just looking liked the feathers on Reshiram are implied by the design, like on Lugia, it actually looks like it has feathers throughout it.

At least that's how I see it. Its not a bad thing, though.

Elise May 28th, 2010 4:50 PM

I think there are a few elements of digimon if you are actually looking for them. I honestly didn't even think of it until other people mentioned it. I think the designs are pretty nifty actually and just like every new legendary, it's going to look odd until we've gotten used to them.

RedBaron474 May 28th, 2010 5:11 PM

I agree with lx_theo in the fact that when you add more detail they look less pokemon like and more digimon-ish. They have in fact tried to put more and more detail into the pokemon (particularly legendary pokemon) each generation and in my opininion strayed rather far from the original.

Heres a little something to show how they've put more detail into pokemon throughout the generations:


dieter57 May 28th, 2010 5:26 PM

i don't see digimon in them at all. i see two awesomely pwning legends in what i expect to be the sweetest pokemon games so far!

musesum626 May 28th, 2010 5:28 PM

I personally love the fact that they have a lot of detail. It makes them look more intimidating, which is how powerful legendaries should look. It may not have the same "feel", but did you expect Ken Sugimori to stick with the same style? I just like them, and I don't pay attention to Digimon, so I don't care if they look like 'em. Basically what dieter57 said.

lx_theo May 28th, 2010 5:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 5837408)
i don't see digimon in them at all. i see two awesomely pwning legends in what i expect to be the sweetest pokemon games so far!

I thinks its more of a leaving from the Pokemon feel than more like Digimon. Thats probably just the next closest people could associate it with. How much it does is more closely associated with whether you take your personal opinion and feel of a Pokemon feel from earlier or later generations.

Rengoku May 28th, 2010 5:31 PM

I've never think the new ones look even like Digimon, in fact, I really like the fact there are more and more Pokemons, and I really love how they turn'ed out!

Roxas358 May 28th, 2010 5:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elise (Post 5837310)
I think there are a few elements of digimon if you are actually looking for them. I honestly didn't even think of it until other people mentioned it. I think the designs are pretty nifty actually and just like every new legendary, it's going to look odd until we've gotten used to them.

The part I emphasized in tha quote is completely true. It took me months to get used to all the new Pokemon (and everything else) from Diamond and Pearl, so naturally it'll happen in Black and White too.

Esmas May 28th, 2010 5:34 PM

Well I'd say Reshiram looks more Digimon-like to me, as its face seems to resemble Greymon in my opinion. Zekrom looks perfectly great. But then again, the previous generation's legendaries were even more 'realistic', or whatever. I think it's just the art style that makes it look more real, as it's beginning to become more 3D-ish.

Bloothump May 28th, 2010 7:47 PM

I agree that the new pokemon are closer to digimon than first gen, but really, I don't think the simplistic design of the original pokemon could survive today.

@lx_theo,
What you're saying is not entirely correct. I have to say, pidgey looks a lot kore realistic than Swablu. I beleive the more complicated the designs get, the more they are associated with digimon. I still love the designs, no matter what. They truly look like fantastical, legendary creatures.

lx_theo May 28th, 2010 7:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloothump (Post 5837834)
I agree that the new pokemon are closer to digimon than first gen, but really, I don't think the simplistic design of the original pokemon could survive today.

@lx_theo,
What you're saying is not entirely correct. I have to say, pidgey looks a lot kore realistic than Swablu. I beleive the more complicated the designs get, the more they are associated with digimon. I still love the designs, no matter what. They truly look like fantastical, legendary creatures.

The difference is that the design was realistic, not the details. It was a cartoon bird based almost directly off of a real bird. But it looked cartoonish. Its not fair to compare the newer ones, becasue unlike the first gens, they take a simple cartoonish first form and make the later forms that detail realism I've been talking about. They used to simply take the earlier form designs while keeping the cartoonishness and build on it rather than a complete overhaul.

JakeClowd May 28th, 2010 8:17 PM

I see your point about the detail. While Mew Two has mostly flat bases and solid colors (Which I'm not saying is a bad thing), Lugia has the back feathers and wings, Raquaza obtains horns and lots of detail lines along the side of his body, and Dialga has a much greater sense of detail and realism.
How ever, I see this only as an acomplishment to how pokemon itself as a whole is evolving. I personally look forward to the new legendaries and pokemon to come.

I do believe that the designers are running out of ideas. If you take a close look at them, you'll see resemblances to previous pokemon. Zekrom, for example, has an underside similar to that of Palkia.
And what's with the tails???

Ninja Caterpie May 28th, 2010 8:23 PM

Does it feel the same as the original Pokemon? No.

Is it a bad thing? No.

The thing is, in the game, the sprites are all going to be in the same style. You can't put that much detail into a small sprite of, what is it, 64x64?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 28th, 2010 9:04 PM

Well they did say that we were going to be left asking if this is really pokemon... the legendaries are like Pokemon meet's digimon! which I like!

Germaniac May 28th, 2010 9:34 PM

Huh? I loved them, they doesn't likes Digimon at all, Pokemon is much better than Digimon

Elise May 28th, 2010 10:09 PM

I dunno, I felt like the fourth generation became more cartoon-ized than the previous 3 generations. Maybe a bit more of a "cutesy" factor, if you get what I'm saying. I don't think it would be a bad thing if the fifth generation got a little more, well, serious.

Compare the starters, if you will. Yes, they are all cartoons, but turtwig and bulbasaur are completely different styles of art, to me. Bulbasaur looks like it could actually work, whereas I feel like Turtwig's head would make him fall over because it is too big for his poor body.

Anyway, that's off subject. Different. Is. Good. Sometimes. :)

revelp8 May 28th, 2010 10:17 PM

reshiram really does (to me at least) looks like a giant chicken with a face of a dog. A thought occurred right now as seeing is this pokemon is mascot for white, that it might actually be an ice type, which would be the closest type for the color white...since there isn't a "light" type. but hey, whose to say right? dark and steel were added in 2nd gen and i suppose ghost did too, in a sense

zekrom looks very sleek in his design, im just not found of that huge tail-thingamajig in the back. it looks like a bee sting kind of tail :T we might have our dark/dragon dual typing as well.

But that is just me speculating of course

Livewire May 28th, 2010 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxas358 (Post 5837424)
The part I emphasized in tha quote is completely true. It took me months to get used to all the new Pokemon (and everything else) from Diamond and Pearl, so naturally it'll happen in Black and White too.

your comment is win. Gamefreak's M.O the past few gens has been taking the simple pokemon idea and constantly changing and adapting it - taking each new gen above and beyond the previous ones, in design, graphics, gameplay, everything. when gen IV came out people were freaking over the new designs and im sure their were a million of these "OMG they're Ugly! WTF!?" threads directed at the gen 4 pokes, and even some of the gen III ones as well. once we play the games for awhile they'll fit right into the pokemon universe.

aside from that, ill be buying white because the black legendary is dope. he's looking like a dark/steel type, which would freaking rock. (aside from a 4x fighting weakness >_<)

Uecil May 28th, 2010 10:41 PM

I think they're awesome and they don't seem to remind me of Digimon in anyway at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by revelp8 (Post 5838110)
reshiram really does (to me at least) looks like a giant chicken with a face of a dog.

I agree with this though. I thought the same thing whilst viewing them on Serebii,
But these are only the game like Pokemon images. Aren't they? So, they'll probably look slightly different in the Anime if they show up of course.

Åzurε May 28th, 2010 10:48 PM

I just looove how the complaints increase as the sprite resolution goes up.

Generations one and two were obviously the most similar, but even they had their differences. Raikou, Suicune, and Entei are probably the most "untraditional" pokemon as compared with the first 150.

Essentially, the art style seems to be what people don't like here. Using the above examples, Mewtwo (this is expanded from JakeClowd's post) had little shading, and has only two major colors. Lugia had 3, and more shading. Rayquaza's body seems to be textured slightly, and while mainly green one also obviously sees yellow and red and black. Finally, Dialga simplifies a bit, but has a different tone, almost like something extraterrestrial. Then we have Zekrom, even more alien-seeming than Dialga, with an almost-inorganic texture and iridescent accents. Pokemon designs started off easier to relate to (lab experiment, okay, disbelief suspended), and progresses farther out (wth is this thing? [answer: an original fictional being]).

TL;DR: The designs just get harder to cope with as they use up basic ideas, and the art style changes to reflect that.


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