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What happened to the old simple Pokemon?
Well, basicly this thread is just a cry of irritation as once again it seems that the new Pokemon will be exaggerated with random objects and signs infiltrated in their being/body(whatever you call it). I have seen the new pokemon starters and legendarys and find them together with the 4th generation massivly exaggerated and too "fancy". The reason I like Pokemon, is mainly because of the 1st and 2nd generation who had simple pokemon with no "ultra"-shields and random trees on their back. There are of course some exceptions in the 4th generation, but they are rare. Pokemon is getting uglier every generation.
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I agree with you all the way
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I completely agree with you, the third generation went a little bit off the rails but OMG the fourth completely killed it.
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I miss the original styles too. But at the same time it's always interesting to see what they come up with. I just hate when they start to look like Digimon or something off of the those other shows.
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Like I said in another thread, I can't limit appearances in Pokemon.
I have to admit there is a slight change in how the Pokemon look, but I don't see anything bad about it. I think the new Pokemon look awesome (aside from the starter pokemon, but whatever), but that's just my opinion. And I do somewhat agree with you, I do like the older generation Pokemon better than the current ones ^-^ |
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pokemon in general is getting more complex. as more pokemon are added the new ones have to have something that sets them apart from the old ones. besides, once pokemon established itself it was free to experiment and be creative, now that's a sign of progress if you ask me
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Better get used to change, people.
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I just thought, it isnt really the games fault. its the consoles fault. if it werent for the increase in the graphics quality they would still have simple sprites and not these weired complicated ones they have now that look like Digimon.
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what is with all these digimon comparisons! I honestly do not see why people complain about the designs. If it stayed simplistic people will complain about the lack of interesting ideas, so no matter what they do not everyone will be satisfied. Could you honestly say that they could have made 500+ simple designs?
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i still play the classics cos there so cool looking. |
1st gen is good, but the Pokemon are a bit simple. Just look at Persian, it's literally just a mountain lion with a gem on its head. Rapidash is a horse with a fiery mane, Pidgey is just a bird.
2nd and 3rd had it right. Some of the 3rd gen Pokemon were strange but it was a good batch. 4th is garbage, I don't even want to talk about it. I'm liking the 5th gen Pokemon so far. They're looking better than the 4th, at least. My favorites are Zekrom and Smugleaf. |
Most of them are quite ugly, the voices are weird in the anime, and the names are unoriginal. But no matter what I'll keep buying the games and playing them, as there are always exceptions and always ones that I do happen to like. :3 (although there were many more that I liked in the 1st and 2nd gens)
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This happens with every media franchise. This argument can also be equally supported on both sides. Honestly Horizon pretty much summed up the entire point pretty well.
If Pokémon followed the same guidelines as they had in the first generation, as in, they kept the same design ideas, then people would complain that the future designs look too similar. It's bound to happen eventually when they start breaching numbers in the thousands, but that's better than in the hundreds. If they had the same exact graphics while technology around them kept expanding, then they'd be considered obsolete really quickly. Also, the one-up they have on Digimon is the fact that every species of Digimon have extremely similar characteristics, the most obvious being the eyes. Nearly every family of Pokémon have different face and body styles even between their own evolutions, so they're all unique in a way. |
You know, if you stop complaining about the new pokemon just because they're not just like the original pokemon, and just play the games as casually as you played the original games, the new pokemon will grow on you. >_>
I hated the genIV pokemon when they were all leaked, but I'm indifferent at worst to most of them. =/ |
I actually like the first 3 gens and alittle of the 4th but guys just think of would like like them to created 5 gens of pokemon game with only 2 gens of th same pokes its best for a little change + digimon was crap from the beginning Digimon was based off pokemon so anyways get used to the change that will come
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Yes I do agree that the two first generations look better than the 4th and 5th one. :/
I actually like Reshiram and Tsutaja though ! BUT I wonder how the new Pokemon of Isshu will look like ">__> |
I remember the days when there was no such thing as EVs, IVs, Natures, or even Shiny Pokemon. Ahh those were the good old days of simple Pokemon.
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They show up from time to time. Porygon-Z and Drifloon are perfect examples of simplistic Pokémon from generation IV, and I'm sure Black and White will have their own simple Pokémon too.
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Uh, so you remember when Pokemon didn't exist? Even if they were called something else, EV's and IV's have always been in Pokemon, along with shinies. This includes Generation I.
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It's mainly the names that I find a bit...over the top. I mean come on, Regigigas? o_o that could be Quagmire's new catchphrase.
Floaroma Town isn't much better either. The simple ones like Cerulean City were fine xD But hey, at this point I'd have ran out of ideas too. :P |
The world isn't the same as it was 10 years ago, face the fact that the world is changing and games are tweeked to suit the current trends. I mean, nowadays, people want 3D or HD graphics. Would people buy PS3's if it had graphics like the NES? No.
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oh yeah because a turtle with CANNONS in its back and a frog-dino having a giant plant-mushroom on its back isn't exaggerated and simple at all.
Stop wearing your nostalgia glasses and try coming up with 500+ unique pokemon because ONE guy comes up with at least 80% of the designs. |
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After a while it gets old to see the same type of town over and over agian. |
I have no real opinion on how the new(ish, meaning fourth generation) ones look. I was thrilled that they weren't doing the crap they'd done for third generation (barely any changes to evolutionary families with third generation). My only real complaints about fourth generation are Stealth Rock and Infernape outclassing Blaziken. In any case, I hope the crap of third generation won't be repeated in the fifth one.
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I don't see why some people are complaining about the designs. Like already mentioned there has to be a way to differentiate between old pokemon and new pokemon and as times progress designs change. The newer pokemon are just as simple-designed as the older generations. It just appears to some of you that they're not. I mean come on I have yet to see a pokemon with a helicopter, an AK-47, and a flame thrower strapped to its back so until then most pokemon are simply designed in my opinion.
Another thing, if you aren't pleased with the designs then don't play the games. Really, it's just as simple as that. I'm not trying to sound rude, but it just irks me when people complain about things like these when Game Freak spent YEARS developing it trying to please pokemon lovers everywhere. We should all be thankful we have so many pokemon and that pokemon didn't take some long hiatus like Digimon has after the 2nd or 3rd gen. Coming up with so many new pokemon has to be tough. I know for sure I would have never been able to design Reshiram, Zekrom, Zoroark/Zorua, or the starters on my own. :D |
You're right, getting more complicated and extra not very "Pokémon" but, it's the future! Things move on! I like the change if you as me.
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Yes, I think many miss the old games but you can keep the old consoles and play them if you wish and when ever you like. Whip up your Gameboy Colour (if you still have it that is) or whatever it is you want to play and give the old games a good whirl, that's what I do. Technology is growing up and so are the games, who nowadays would want the NES now? Not many people I know would want it, or may never have heard of it. Everybody (well, nearly everybody...) is all: "Yay, I have PS3 all that high definition stuff on my screen that rocks my socks off!" If you miss the old classics, go back to them, even if it's the Gameboy Colour you can only get to.
As for the designs, why complain? You're getting a good game to entertain you for a while, right? It's not like they're going to the extreme, I agree with PiPVoda here, the designs are still pretty simple. Maybe they're ugly to you, but it's a load of pixels on your consoles screen. Get over it. You're getting a treat of a game with some new styles, I bet it takes hours (Such an understatement) maybe even to think of all these designs even if they're basing them off other Pokemon from the previous games. I'd say just be glad they haven't dropped the whole Pokemon subject and enjoy past and present games! |
I don't the the more complex designs either, I feel that they try to hard to be "epic and kewl". However, I believe that such designs, while they have increased in number since Gen I, are still in the minority.
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just play the game ppl its called change if Game Freak didn't add all the graphics onto the pokes, it would have went out of business a Long time ago
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As new Pokemon increase, simplistic designs will decrease. The creators have to get creative and make a distinct difference between all the Pokemon (especially parallels of different generations, such as Meowth and Skitty) and to do this, they have to make the Pokemon a little more complex. I personally see nothing wrong with this; it's interesting to see what new designs are brought to the table. =D
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For the most part I agree with you (Rotom WTF), but there have been some cool Pokemon in 4th and 5th gen. Leafeon and Lucario, anyone?
I wish they'd focus on new things besides new Pokemon, though. If they didn't have to whip 50+ new species out of their rears every couple of years, it might not be so bad. |
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As far as the graphics go, I would have quit Pokémon years ago if it had stayed like RBY and GSC. They were great at that time because nothing better was out. Now however we've been given more technology and larger spaces to work with. Like someone mentioned earlier, playing through city after city that looked the same got really old. At least every new generation we get now, each city has some new aspect to look forward to and the new graphics help with that ... a lot. So, if you're tired of what Pokémon has become now, then stop playing the newer games and stick to the older generation if that's what pleases you so much. Saying this as easily as possible, but Pokémon isn't what it used to be. It's changed, so get used to it already and stop crying over something so old of a matter already. Not meaning to sound rude or harsh, but I'm just being direct to the topic at hand and giving my voice over the matter. That is, Pokémon is still Pokémon, change is expected, and it's tiring to see people keep comparing every new generation to the first generation [Red/Blue/Green] and then complaining about it. |
^epic win!^
couldn't agree more. you win the thread. |
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This good person summarized everything I wanted to say. Do you really want old R/B/Y or G/S/C Graphics or Pokemon style anymore. No, if it was still like the ol' 8 bit days, I would not be playing Pokemon anymore. Change is a good thing. I love most of the Gen III and IV Pokemon, Lucario being my favorite. Get a grip, play the game, and have fun :) |
i kinda agree with you but personally i like the way that creators try to create newer sleeker pokemon, it's true that some of them are complete fails (drapion for examlple) but a lot of them are pretty badass (gallade) i do sometimes wish that they can go back to the basics of the 1st gen but then again i'd like to see what new ideas and add-ons they come with
For the record i don't approve of the new starters except for Tsutaja (the snake obnoxious looking one) But i approve of the 2 legendaries and Zorua/Zoroark Also, Hiiro just won this thread with that argument, no ifs ands or buts |
hooray, black and white are finally here!
wow, it's a new pokemon, let's see what it is! a blue ball with eyes! awesome! in case you can't tell, i'm being sarcastic. if you don't like what's new, chuck your xbox out the window and go play pokemon blue like a good little boy. |
I'd post a long rant explaining how times are changing and that you have to get used to new things, but Hiiro already said it.
I for one think that many of the Gen IV Pokémon are actually rather creative, even if they bear similarities to older species. And some of the Gen IV Pokémon were very creative and epic in their own right (Garchomp, anyone?). Admittedly, there were a few blunders (Probopass) in Gen IV, and the same will be said about Gen V, but in time it'll just grow on us. Disengage the nostalgia filter and prepare for the future, because it'll be here whether you like it or not. |
I miss blue version :( and the yellow version cause pikachu follows u around
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The way I see it, the Pokemon get uglier whenever people complain about them. Art styles change, for better of for worse. I, for one, actually thought that the Gen. V Pokemon (the revealed ones, that is) looked much simpler than the Pokes of Gen. III and Gen. IV.
Actually, I've decided that its not that Pokemon's going downhill, its just that we're growing up. Simple as that. |
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I would find the series boring if it kept it's basic boring designs, especially this late.
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good point id post a long rant but some1 alredy did and i make way to many grammar mistakes. peoples get used to the fact that everything changes if i must say you cant expect to be with the same old things just because you like them(well you could)but you have got to let go.i liked red and blue also the gsc deries but i cant say that i dint love fire red or leaf green and i cant say i didnt love heart gold and soul silver id be liying if i did my point is that things change either for the worst or for the better. reshiram and the other 1 i forgot the name look extremly simple they just have a lot of details thats it but they are simple zoura and zoroark are simple too they look like remixed versions of eevee and lucario i guess that you cant say their not simplistic because they are.try coming up with atleast 100+ pokemon designs each gen its not easy right get used to change everything will change example:cars they making a change to hybrid i atleast love the sound that gas guslers make but we are running out of fuel 1 day it will be a law to atleast own a hybrid car(i hope its not true and that it never happens).i say get used to it(not trying to sound rude or anything).
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You know, Pokemon still has a lot of simplicity in it. Piplup and Chimchar were both very simple, as was Shinx, Pachirisu, Drifloon, Buneary, and a whole host of others. Honestly, I thought that Gen IV had much better pokemon than Gen III. I became interested after seeing Piplup, Chimchar, and Turtwig on a McDonald's ad in Japan. I hadn't been interested in pokemon in years. So I thought that was something.
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The creators are losing their creativity. I agree. The pokemon are looking more like fanmon.... come to think of it, the fan made pokemon look even better. They should make a contest where everyone makes their own pokemon and some get picked for the game.
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I also agree that the pokemon are getting uglier. I liked the 2nd, 3rd generations and some pokemon from the 4th. I won't judge the 5th gen yet, but the starters do bug me.
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What happened to the old simple Pokemon?
Let me see... They got better LOL More better looking powerfuler and less like normal animals! What pokemon should look like! :D |
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The thing I'm the most bitter about, is the legendaries.
Nothing wrong with them becoming plusiers numbers for each new gen, but they all look like robots now. Or wierd dolls. I liked Lugia and Ho-oh, they still had faces! And Mew and Mewtwo were a bit mysterious. I can stand some of the newer ones, like.... hm... Giratina. It's ok, especially in it's other shape. But the gen III legendaries can just go back home and stay there. But meh. This is just me rambling like I've done in methinks many threads like this before. I believe it's about how you feel about the games. We oldies who played the first ones when we were young and discovered pokémon, most of us (I assume) like gen I and II better. I think I've heard many of those who started playing pokémon when later generations were about thinks that they don't look too bad. And many of those who still do think gen I and II looks better, probably gets pepped up to think so by the oldies. Maybe. |
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I agree though, I like the older stuff, it's more simple and better. But at the same time we better get used to change. Plus it's always interesting to see new things they come up with. |
Awesome, ugly, pretty, cute, disguting.
I don't care what would these Pokémon look like, I just pick my favorites and play. I prefer ugly Pokémon over cute Pokémon anyways. :P |
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The originals were great. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree on that in some shape or form. The newer gens are getting a bit fancy/crazy looking but it is interesting as to what they come up with.
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I'm sure if the generations were reversed, people would think that Gen I is too simplistic and not creative. Every gen has horrible pokemon, take your nostalgia goggles off and judge fairly.
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i think they should balance out old classic design with new designs XD
i love ZeKrom (i capitalize the K to remember the correct pronuniaction lol) i tihnk hes the most badass jet lookin dragon yet :3 |
isn't he they only jet lookin dragon yet? derp.
and i agree. balance the designs just a little bit. |
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I like the legendaries and the starters are ok. grass and fire are ok. water though sucks imo. I reckon they are making them slightly more detailed to stop people comparing pokemon. e.g. bidoof + piplup = new starter. Plus now they can do more with the fames now since they have better technology. I agree they don't have that 'original' pokemon feel but they are pokemon none the less. Pretty good ones imo. |
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UGH i hate the new generations. Everything is bad about them, their pokemon, storylines, how many ****ing legendaries they have to have. :\
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If the people say Pokemon isn't like the way it was before then I blame the anime for it.
The Pokemon games are just getting Better and Better. These games are gonna be the best Pokemon Games. These are packed up with loads of new features. Well they are making new Pokemon. Of course they'll use new designs. It can't get any simpler. It's creativity people. I personally want the Pokemon to look more deadly :P I guess Zoroark can own some handful of old Pokemon. Just look at him he must be fast! :) |
I dunno, it might be the fact that I'm a fair bit older than others who have been in the series since the beginning (I'm currently 23, and started playing Pokemon when it came out when I was 11), but Pokemon games don't hold as much nostalgic factor to me as things from my earlier childhood (Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, Disney movies back when they were good...), so nostalgia doesn't really impede me when I judge a pokemon's design objectively. I see Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Treecko, Turtwig, and Tsutaaja as fairly equal in stylistic design when I compare them. =/
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I'm more for the cute pokémon... naturally my favourite gen is II, with Flaaffy, Chikorita, Jumpluff, Marill and the likes :p Quote:
But this thread wasn't about the storylines. And that comic is win. |
You call it simple, I call it lazy.
That, and the 4th Gen near the 2nd Gen in terms of gameplay. You know, where it matters. |
Agree ;/
The old pokemons were more... cutie *0* |
They're looking more and more ridiculous every generation, and they're being over-powered. That's why I stopped playing Yu-Gi-Oh because of the over-powering of the cards.
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What do you expect? With the technology available to add more details, why shouldn't GF use them? I will admit they look a little.... strange, but I thought the same about GenIV and now its my second favorite gen.
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all i have to say is if you're complaining so much about the pokemon and how much you hate it, then stop playing the games, otherwise you're just being a hypocrite
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I actually don't really mind the changes Pokemon are taking, even thought I found Gen III Pokemon so ugly, I mean seriously, a burning chicken and a Grass lizard? I had no regrets in choosing Mudkip thats for sure.
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3rd gen was horrible, i only liked
treeko and evos absol corpfish & crawdaunt aggron tropius cacturne salamence most of the rest were almost ok, or garbage |
I think that 3rd Gen was the most creative.
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I also agree. Look at all the legendaries now. All fancy and upgraded. Remeber Mew. He is a legendary and has simple looks.
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I despise every single legendary after third gen cause they became so complicated and then they began to give a story on how they helped create the pokemon world and then they come out with the pokemon god arceus pokemon was never supposed to have a god its just makes me so mad
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i liked the 4th gen pokemon, but the first gen was the most creative
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The reason why most of us think this is simply because we've grown up,and that the pokemon now arn't like the pokemon we had back then.
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Ok, ok i know my writing wasn't good but the comic was. But seriously, every legendary has a storyline, Rotom has that one about wanting to take over the world so killed those two people (Thats just a rumour i think, don't know.) Arceus has that egg story and created the world and everything. Yawn cba.
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My take is that the first and second generations were the best. I like the 2nd generation Pokémon a bit more (the whole 2nd gen, actually), but only a little bit, just because the first generation seemed just a little bit too simple, but it was still great. I personally enjoyed the third generation, and yes, I can see people's point about how it escalated... but I don't think it was that bad. In fact, Pokémon Ruby Version was my favorite game for years. 4th generation went way over the top. I actually loved it all at first. But then I looked back at everything else and thought "come on, this isn't like the Pokémon I know!" To me, 5th generation doesn't seem really bad actually. I think it will be interesting to see what will come in the future.
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The stupid is strong in this thread.
I'm glad that the simplicity is gone. I cannot emphasize enough how stupid a design Muk and Koffing was. I'd rather have a badass poison dart frog than a blue turtle. All generations had their good and bad pokemon. If you took your nostalgia glasses off, you would see that instead of mindlessly jumping on the hate bandwagon. Quote:
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I miss everything that use to be Pokemon. The better Pokemon, the designs, the style, the music...everything.
Before Ash became a pimp and switched women and Pokemon around like clothes *sigh* I wish it would go back to the simple times. :c |
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Yeah, agreed. I even thought that Diamond and Pearl were going a bit too far... I wish it was the original 386 :(
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Yeah, Dodrio gains an extra head, Ekans and Arbok is just snake and Kobra backwards. I only thought a few Gen I pokemon were creative tbh, most were just animals recolored or objects.
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Pidgey = Standard Bird.
Voltorb evolves into a version of itself with the color's flipped around. Voltorb is basically a Pokemon based off a Pokeball. Seel is a seal. -_- And you guys said that the simpler Pokemon of the early gens were better, pshh. They are classic, however, because they started the Pokemon phenomenon. |
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I think the simplicity of the old gens is what made them appealing. Complexity and simplicity are both appealing, but only to a point. The motif of simplicity can only go so far until the designs start getting more elaborate.
I personally think a prescribed change with an equal amount of the norm left (for nostalgic purposes), is great. It's a hit or miss affair. Not all the new pokes will be beautiful. It's all good, and none of us should really take it that seriously. If you truely despise the new designs, then don't buy the games. Simple as that:) (I will harp on all of you dissing the old gens on the tense of "o it's just a magnet, a mole, etc". I loved that magnet foo'. That magnet is the grandaddy of your beloved steel pokes!:D) |
i have to agree, they should add changes to the game yes, but simplicity in the designs of new pokemon would be much better. It looks as if to me for gen 5 it will be as bad or worse as gen 4. Bring back the old style of 1 and 2!
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I don't really mind the style of it just as long as its not to complex. As most people are saying simplicity I guess. Nothing TOO simple but nothing TOO complex.
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I'm just happy they're finally getting creative. Gen 1 and 2 had some real duds in the creativity department. Pidgey, Persian, Diglett, Dugtrio, Seel, Krabby, Kingler, Grimer, Muk, Voltorb, Ekans, Arbok, Electrode, Exeggucute, Ledyba are some prime examples. Most of them are real life creatures with some very, very minute distortions.
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I don't really care how unoriginal 1st Gen was, it's just IT, you can't leave them out of anything. Also, 2nd Gen didn't have a lot of new Pokemon. 3rd Gen was the most creative. 4th Gen... was interesting, but still typical. Black & White is just TOO FAR. :(
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