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Aquila June 2nd, 2010 2:39 PM

What happened to the old simple Pokemon?
 
Well, basicly this thread is just a cry of irritation as once again it seems that the new Pokemon will be exaggerated with random objects and signs infiltrated in their being/body(whatever you call it). I have seen the new pokemon starters and legendarys and find them together with the 4th generation massivly exaggerated and too "fancy". The reason I like Pokemon, is mainly because of the 1st and 2nd generation who had simple pokemon with no "ultra"-shields and random trees on their back. There are of course some exceptions in the 4th generation, but they are rare. Pokemon is getting uglier every generation.

NotchedEarPichu June 2nd, 2010 2:42 PM

I agree with you all the way
Good point

Hybrid Trainer June 2nd, 2010 2:44 PM

I completely agree with you, the third generation went a little bit off the rails but OMG the fourth completely killed it.

Romantica June 2nd, 2010 2:48 PM

I miss the original styles too. But at the same time it's always interesting to see what they come up with. I just hate when they start to look like Digimon or something off of the those other shows.

Aquila June 2nd, 2010 3:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Romantica (Post 5849402)
I miss the original styles too. But at the same time it's always interesting to see what they come up with. I just hate when they start to look like Digimon or something off of the those other shows.

Like Dialga and Palkia. Unnecessary if you ask me.

Shiny Shaymin June 2nd, 2010 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hybrid Trainer (Post 5849390)
I completely agree with you, the third generation went a little bit off the rails but OMG the fourth completely killed it.

^ Excactly. First and second gens were fine, in the the third it started to get a little weird… but Diamond and Pearl just killed Pokémon. I really hate how complicated the new legendaries are, and even the starters are a bit too detailed.

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The reason I like Pokemon, is mainly because of the 1st and 2nd generation who had simple pokemon with no "ultra"-shields and random trees on their back.
Same here. Around the same time Pokémon came out, things like Yugioh and Digimon came out too… and they just seemed to “fancy” to me, so I went with Pokemon. I really hope the other Pokémon don’t get as over complicated as Digimon. It’ll really ruin it.

ichuesther June 2nd, 2010 3:05 PM

Like I said in another thread, I can't limit appearances in Pokemon.
I have to admit there is a slight change in how the Pokemon look, but I don't see anything bad about it.
I think the new Pokemon look awesome (aside from the starter pokemon, but whatever), but that's just my opinion.
And I do somewhat agree with you, I do like the older generation Pokemon better than the current ones ^-^

Electrovenom June 2nd, 2010 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 5849373)
Well, basicly this thread is just a cry of irritation as once again it seems that the new Pokemon will be exaggerated with random objects and signs infiltrated in their being/body(whatever you call it). I have seen the new pokemon starters and legendarys and find them together with the 4th generation massivly exaggerated and too "fancy". The reason I like Pokemon, is mainly because of the 1st and 2nd generation who had simple pokemon with no "ultra"-shields and random trees on their back. There are of course some exceptions in the 4th generation, but they are rare. Pokemon is getting uglier every generation.

Well said and I agree. Though there are some exceptions as you say. I quite like the Shinx family.

WriteThemWrong June 2nd, 2010 3:08 PM

pokemon in general is getting more complex. as more pokemon are added the new ones have to have something that sets them apart from the old ones. besides, once pokemon established itself it was free to experiment and be creative, now that's a sign of progress if you ask me

LethalTexture June 2nd, 2010 3:09 PM

Better get used to change, people.

Hybrid Trainer June 2nd, 2010 3:12 PM

I just thought, it isnt really the games fault. its the consoles fault. if it werent for the increase in the graphics quality they would still have simple sprites and not these weired complicated ones they have now that look like Digimon.

WriteThemWrong June 2nd, 2010 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hybrid Trainer (Post 5849469)
I just thought, it isnt really the games fault. its the consoles fault. if it werent for the increase in the graphics quality they would still have simple sprites and not these weired complicated ones they have now that look like Digimon.

so you'd wanna play variations of pokemon with the same graphics as red and blue?

Storm_has_formed June 2nd, 2010 3:24 PM

what is with all these digimon comparisons! I honestly do not see why people complain about the designs. If it stayed simplistic people will complain about the lack of interesting ideas, so no matter what they do not everyone will be satisfied. Could you honestly say that they could have made 500+ simple designs?

Hybrid Trainer June 2nd, 2010 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WriteThemWrong (Post 5849479)
so you'd wanna play variations of pokemon with the same graphics as red and blue?

i wouldnt mind that at all.
i still play the classics cos there so cool looking.

Kirbychu June 2nd, 2010 3:31 PM

1st gen is good, but the Pokemon are a bit simple. Just look at Persian, it's literally just a mountain lion with a gem on its head. Rapidash is a horse with a fiery mane, Pidgey is just a bird.

2nd and 3rd had it right. Some of the 3rd gen Pokemon were strange but it was a good batch.


4th is garbage, I don't even want to talk about it.


I'm liking the 5th gen Pokemon so far. They're looking better than the 4th, at least. My favorites are Zekrom and Smugleaf.

KejiBebi June 2nd, 2010 3:32 PM

Most of them are quite ugly, the voices are weird in the anime, and the names are unoriginal. But no matter what I'll keep buying the games and playing them, as there are always exceptions and always ones that I do happen to like. :3 (although there were many more that I liked in the 1st and 2nd gens)

shookie June 2nd, 2010 3:38 PM

This happens with every media franchise. This argument can also be equally supported on both sides. Honestly Horizon pretty much summed up the entire point pretty well.

If Pokémon followed the same guidelines as they had in the first generation, as in, they kept the same design ideas, then people would complain that the future designs look too similar. It's bound to happen eventually when they start breaching numbers in the thousands, but that's better than in the hundreds. If they had the same exact graphics while technology around them kept expanding, then they'd be considered obsolete really quickly.

Also, the one-up they have on Digimon is the fact that every species of Digimon have extremely similar characteristics, the most obvious being the eyes. Nearly every family of Pokémon have different face and body styles even between their own evolutions, so they're all unique in a way.

Timbjerr June 2nd, 2010 3:41 PM

You know, if you stop complaining about the new pokemon just because they're not just like the original pokemon, and just play the games as casually as you played the original games, the new pokemon will grow on you. >_>

I hated the genIV pokemon when they were all leaked, but I'm indifferent at worst to most of them. =/

blazez3212 June 2nd, 2010 5:10 PM

I actually like the first 3 gens and alittle of the 4th but guys just think of would like like them to created 5 gens of pokemon game with only 2 gens of th same pokes its best for a little change + digimon was crap from the beginning Digimon was based off pokemon so anyways get used to the change that will come

SinisterEternity June 2nd, 2010 5:57 PM

Yes I do agree that the two first generations look better than the 4th and 5th one. :/
I actually like Reshiram and Tsutaja though !
BUT I wonder how the new Pokemon of Isshu will look like ">__>

RyanGT June 2nd, 2010 5:57 PM

I remember the days when there was no such thing as EVs, IVs, Natures, or even Shiny Pokemon. Ahh those were the good old days of simple Pokemon.

Niprop June 2nd, 2010 6:07 PM

They show up from time to time. Porygon-Z and Drifloon are perfect examples of simplistic Pokémon from generation IV, and I'm sure Black and White will have their own simple Pokémon too.

Raikt June 2nd, 2010 6:11 PM

Uh, so you remember when Pokemon didn't exist? Even if they were called something else, EV's and IV's have always been in Pokemon, along with shinies. This includes Generation I.

shookie June 2nd, 2010 6:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mewtwo. (Post 5849898)
I remember the days when there was no such thing as EVs, IVs, Natures, or even Shiny Pokemon. Ahh those were the good old days of simple Pokemon.

EVs and IVs have always existed in some capacity :p they're just in a much more comprehensible structure now.

beca June 2nd, 2010 6:19 PM

It's mainly the names that I find a bit...over the top. I mean come on, Regigigas? o_o that could be Quagmire's new catchphrase.
Floaroma Town isn't much better either. The simple ones like Cerulean City were fine xD
But hey, at this point I'd have ran out of ideas too. :P

Dillon_68 June 2nd, 2010 6:30 PM

The world isn't the same as it was 10 years ago, face the fact that the world is changing and games are tweeked to suit the current trends. I mean, nowadays, people want 3D or HD graphics. Would people buy PS3's if it had graphics like the NES? No.

An Imperialist named Dak June 2nd, 2010 6:32 PM

oh yeah because a turtle with CANNONS in its back and a frog-dino having a giant plant-mushroom on its back isn't exaggerated and simple at all.

Stop wearing your nostalgia glasses and try coming up with 500+ unique pokemon because ONE guy comes up with at least 80% of the designs.

RyanGT June 2nd, 2010 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Raikt (Post 5849933)
Uh, so you remember when Pokemon didn't exist? Even if they were called something else, EV's and IV's have always been in Pokemon, along with shinies. This includes Generation I.

I'm talking about Red and Blue. There were not shinies in those games. And no one EV trained their pokemon, or IV bred in Red and Blue either.

shookie June 2nd, 2010 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mewtwo. (Post 5850004)
And no one EV trained their pokemon, or IV bred in Red and Blue either.

That's because you didn't have to. It was possible to max out all of the stats using the system in the original games. The variables and terminology have changed over the few years, but the mechanics have been there from the start.

Magmarizer June 2nd, 2010 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 5849373)
The reason I like Pokemon, is mainly because of the 1st and 2nd generation who had simple pokemon with no "ultra"-shields and random trees on their back. .

I agree with the above posters. what about pokemon with random bulbs on there back?

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Floaroma Town isn't much better either. The simple ones like Cerulean City were fine
"oh wow look at this town! it looks just the same as the last. and the one before that. and before that."

After a while it gets old to see the same type of town over and over agian.

FlameShocker June 2nd, 2010 7:13 PM

I have no real opinion on how the new(ish, meaning fourth generation) ones look. I was thrilled that they weren't doing the crap they'd done for third generation (barely any changes to evolutionary families with third generation). My only real complaints about fourth generation are Stealth Rock and Infernape outclassing Blaziken. In any case, I hope the crap of third generation won't be repeated in the fifth one.

PiPVoda June 3rd, 2010 9:33 AM

I don't see why some people are complaining about the designs. Like already mentioned there has to be a way to differentiate between old pokemon and new pokemon and as times progress designs change. The newer pokemon are just as simple-designed as the older generations. It just appears to some of you that they're not. I mean come on I have yet to see a pokemon with a helicopter, an AK-47, and a flame thrower strapped to its back so until then most pokemon are simply designed in my opinion.

Another thing, if you aren't pleased with the designs then don't play the games. Really, it's just as simple as that. I'm not trying to sound rude, but it just irks me when people complain about things like these when Game Freak spent YEARS developing it trying to please pokemon lovers everywhere. We should all be thankful we have so many pokemon and that pokemon didn't take some long hiatus like Digimon has after the 2nd or 3rd gen. Coming up with so many new pokemon has to be tough. I know for sure I would have never been able to design Reshiram, Zekrom, Zoroark/Zorua, or the starters on my own. :D

Bluerang1 June 3rd, 2010 9:52 AM

You're right, getting more complicated and extra not very "Pokémon" but, it's the future! Things move on! I like the change if you as me.

Cold Fusion June 3rd, 2010 10:09 AM

Yes, I think many miss the old games but you can keep the old consoles and play them if you wish and when ever you like. Whip up your Gameboy Colour (if you still have it that is) or whatever it is you want to play and give the old games a good whirl, that's what I do. Technology is growing up and so are the games, who nowadays would want the NES now? Not many people I know would want it, or may never have heard of it. Everybody (well, nearly everybody...) is all: "Yay, I have PS3 all that high definition stuff on my screen that rocks my socks off!" If you miss the old classics, go back to them, even if it's the Gameboy Colour you can only get to.

As for the designs, why complain? You're getting a good game to entertain you for a while, right? It's not like they're going to the extreme, I agree with PiPVoda here, the designs are still pretty simple. Maybe they're ugly to you, but it's a load of pixels on your consoles screen. Get over it. You're getting a treat of a game with some new styles, I bet it takes hours (Such an understatement) maybe even to think of all these designs even if they're basing them off other Pokemon from the previous games. I'd say just be glad they haven't dropped the whole Pokemon subject and enjoy past and present games!

Charmageddon June 3rd, 2010 11:55 AM

I don't the the more complex designs either, I feel that they try to hard to be "epic and kewl". However, I believe that such designs, while they have increased in number since Gen I, are still in the minority.

ase June 3rd, 2010 12:07 PM

just play the game ppl its called change if Game Freak didn't add all the graphics onto the pokes, it would have went out of business a Long time ago

HugSomebody June 3rd, 2010 12:10 PM

As new Pokemon increase, simplistic designs will decrease. The creators have to get creative and make a distinct difference between all the Pokemon (especially parallels of different generations, such as Meowth and Skitty) and to do this, they have to make the Pokemon a little more complex. I personally see nothing wrong with this; it's interesting to see what new designs are brought to the table. =D

Dubstep June 3rd, 2010 12:14 PM

For the most part I agree with you (Rotom WTF), but there have been some cool Pokemon in 4th and 5th gen. Leafeon and Lucario, anyone?

I wish they'd focus on new things besides new Pokemon, though. If they didn't have to whip 50+ new species out of their rears every couple of years, it might not be so bad.

Xyrin June 3rd, 2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PiPVoda (Post 5851094)
I don't see why some people are complaining about the designs. Like already mentioned there has to be a way to differentiate between old pokemon and new pokemon and as times progress designs change. The newer pokemon are just as simple-designed as the older generations. It just appears to some of you that they're not. I mean come on I have yet to see a pokemon with a helicopter, an AK-47, and a flame thrower strapped to its back so until then most pokemon are simply designed in my opinion.

Another thing, if you aren't pleased with the designs then don't play the games. Really, it's just as simple as that. I'm not trying to sound rude, but it just irks me when people complain about things like these when Game Freak spent YEARS developing it trying to please pokemon lovers everywhere. We should all be thankful we have so many pokemon and that pokemon didn't take some long hiatus like Digimon has after the 2nd or 3rd gen. Coming up with so many new pokemon has to be tough. I know for sure I would have never been able to design Reshiram, Zekrom, Zoroark/Zorua, or the starters on my own. :D

I completely agree with you! Stop complaining people.

Guy June 3rd, 2010 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 5849460)
Better get used to change, people.

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5849555)
You know, if you stop complaining about the new pokemon just because they're not just like the original pokemon, and just play the games as casually as you played the original games, the new pokemon will grow on you. >_>

I hated the genIV pokemon when they were all leaked, but I'm indifferent at worst to most of them. =/

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Originally Posted by Dillon_68 (Post 5849999)
The world isn't the same as it was 10 years ago, face the fact that the world is changing and games are tweeked to suit the current trends. I mean, nowadays, people want 3D or HD graphics. Would people buy PS3's if it had graphics like the NES? No.

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Originally Posted by An Imperialist named Dak (Post 5850000)
oh yeah because a turtle with CANNONS in its back and a frog-dino having a giant plant-mushroom on its back isn't exaggerated and simple at all.

Stop wearing your nostalgia glasses and try coming up with 500+ unique pokemon because ONE guy comes up with at least 80% of the designs.

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Originally Posted by PiPVoda (Post 5851094)
I don't see why some people are complaining about the designs. Like already mentioned there has to be a way to differentiate between old pokemon and new pokemon and as times progress designs change. The newer pokemon are just as simple-designed as the older generations. It just appears to some of you that they're not. I mean come on I have yet to see a pokemon with a helicopter, an AK-47, and a flame thrower strapped to its back so until then most pokemon are simply designed in my opinion.

Another thing, if you aren't pleased with the designs then don't play the games. Really, it's just as simple as that. I'm not trying to sound rude, but it just irks me when people complain about things like these when Game Freak spent YEARS developing it trying to please pokemon lovers everywhere. We should all be thankful we have so many pokemon and that pokemon didn't take some long hiatus like Digimon has after the 2nd or 3rd gen. Coming up with so many new pokemon has to be tough. I know for sure I would have never been able to design Reshiram, Zekrom, Zoroark/Zorua, or the starters on my own. :D

All these posters here have it right. Every time a new generation comes out, people are always bringing up the same exact complaint. "Pokémon has become so unoriginal. Nothing beats the older Red and Blue days where things were so simple. " Well, that was about fourteen years ago since Red and Blue, and to be honest, what we have now is a lot better than what we had before. Yes, yes, I did say that what we have now is a lot better than before. For one, all the Pokémon back from the 1st and 2nd Generation were all very simple. I think when Pokémon became established and realized they could take risks in bringing more to Pokémon is when they started to develop even more. They became more unique in their own way. So, it isn't just a blue turtle with a shell anymore, it's something more than that. Actually, Pokémon hasn't even overdone anything with Pokémon yet. They are still relatively the same and simple as they used to be, just with a little more. So, in all respect, I think it's time a lot of players stop comparing the newer generations to the older generations. Now, that is pretty old and unoriginal if you ask me, since it happens every time. If anything, compare the new generation to the one before it, not one so many years back. It doesn't make any sense to compare Red and Blue to Black and White since they are two way different generations from two different eras in time. Pokémon is still Pokémon, nothing about that has changed.

As far as the graphics go, I would have quit Pokémon years ago if it had stayed like RBY and GSC. They were great at that time because nothing better was out. Now however we've been given more technology and larger spaces to work with. Like someone mentioned earlier, playing through city after city that looked the same got really old. At least every new generation we get now, each city has some new aspect to look forward to and the new graphics help with that ... a lot. So, if you're tired of what Pokémon has become now, then stop playing the newer games and stick to the older generation if that's what pleases you so much.

Saying this as easily as possible, but Pokémon isn't what it used to be. It's changed, so get used to it already and stop crying over something so old of a matter already. Not meaning to sound rude or harsh, but I'm just being direct to the topic at hand and giving my voice over the matter. That is, Pokémon is still Pokémon, change is expected, and it's tiring to see people keep comparing every new generation to the first generation [Red/Blue/Green] and then complaining about it.

dieter57 June 3rd, 2010 1:24 PM

^epic win!^
couldn't agree more.
you win the thread.

cobraman228 June 3rd, 2010 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiiro (Post 5851593)









All these posters here have it right. Every time a new generation comes out, people are always bringing up the same exact complaint. "Pokémon has become so unoriginal. Nothing beats the older Red and Blue days where things were so simple. " Well, that was about fourteen years ago since Red and Blue, and to be honest, what we have now is a lot better than what we had before. Yes, yes, I did say that what we have now is a lot better than before. For one, all the Pokémon back from the 1st and 2nd Generation were all very simple. I think when Pokémon became established and realized they could take risks in bringing more to Pokémon is when they started to develop even more. They became more unique in their own way. So, it isn't just a blue turtle with a shell anymore, it's something more than that. Actually, Pokémon hasn't even overdone anything with Pokémon yet. They are still relatively the same and simple as they used to be, just with a little more. So, in all respect, I think it's time a lot of players stop comparing the newer generations to the older generations. Now, that is pretty old and unoriginal if you ask me, since it happens every time. If anything, compare the new generation to the one before it, not one so many years back. It doesn't make any sense to compare Red and Blue to Black and White since they are two way different generations from two different eras in time. Pokémon is still Pokémon, nothing about that has changed.

As far as the graphics go, I would have quit Pokémon years ago if it had stayed like RBY and GSC. They were great at that time because nothing better was out. Now however we've been given more technology and larger spaces to work with. Like someone mentioned earlier, playing through city after city that looked the same got really old. At least every new generation we get now, each city has some new aspect to look forward to and the new graphics help with that ... a lot. So, if you're tired of what Pokémon has become now, then stop playing the newer games and stick to the older generation if that's what pleases you so much.

Saying this as easily as possible, but Pokémon isn't what it used to be. It's changed, so get used to it already and stop crying over something so old of a matter already. Not meaning to sound rude or harsh, but I'm just being direct to the topic at hand and giving my voice over the matter. That is, Pokémon is still Pokémon, change is expected, and it's tiring to see people keep comparing every new generation to the first generation [Red/Blue/Green] and then complaining about it.

Epic WIN!

This good person summarized everything I wanted to say.

Do you really want old R/B/Y or G/S/C Graphics or Pokemon style anymore. No, if it was still like the ol' 8 bit days, I would not be playing Pokemon anymore. Change is a good thing. I love most of the Gen III and IV Pokemon, Lucario being my favorite. Get a grip, play the game, and have fun :)

dr.feelgood11 June 3rd, 2010 1:51 PM

i kinda agree with you but personally i like the way that creators try to create newer sleeker pokemon, it's true that some of them are complete fails (drapion for examlple) but a lot of them are pretty badass (gallade) i do sometimes wish that they can go back to the basics of the 1st gen but then again i'd like to see what new ideas and add-ons they come with

For the record i don't approve of the new starters except for Tsutaja (the snake obnoxious looking one) But i approve of the 2 legendaries and Zorua/Zoroark

Also, Hiiro just won this thread with that argument, no ifs ands or buts

altariaking June 3rd, 2010 4:11 PM

hooray, black and white are finally here!
wow, it's a new pokemon, let's see what it is!
a blue ball with eyes! awesome!

in case you can't tell, i'm being sarcastic.
if you don't like what's new, chuck your xbox out the window and go play pokemon blue like a good little boy.

TheAppleFreak June 3rd, 2010 4:40 PM

I'd post a long rant explaining how times are changing and that you have to get used to new things, but Hiiro already said it.

I for one think that many of the Gen IV Pokémon are actually rather creative, even if they bear similarities to older species. And some of the Gen IV Pokémon were very creative and epic in their own right (Garchomp, anyone?). Admittedly, there were a few blunders (Probopass) in Gen IV, and the same will be said about Gen V, but in time it'll just grow on us. Disengage the nostalgia filter and prepare for the future, because it'll be here whether you like it or not.

Choy95 June 3rd, 2010 5:19 PM

I miss blue version :( and the yellow version cause pikachu follows u around

GoldvsRed June 3rd, 2010 6:09 PM

The way I see it, the Pokemon get uglier whenever people complain about them. Art styles change, for better of for worse. I, for one, actually thought that the Gen. V Pokemon (the revealed ones, that is) looked much simpler than the Pokes of Gen. III and Gen. IV.



Actually, I've decided that its not that Pokemon's going downhill, its just that we're growing up. Simple as that.

Toa Hyro June 3rd, 2010 6:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiiro (Post 5851593)








All these posters here have it right. Every time a new generation comes out, people are always bringing up the same exact complaint. "Pokémon has become so unoriginal. Nothing beats the older Red and Blue days where things were so simple. " Well, that was about fourteen years ago since Red and Blue, and to be honest, what we have now is a lot better than what we had before. Yes, yes, I did say that what we have now is a lot better than before. For one, all the Pokémon back from the 1st and 2nd Generation were all very simple. I think when Pokémon became established and realized they could take risks in bringing more to Pokémon is when they started to develop even more. They became more unique in their own way. So, it isn't just a blue turtle with a shell anymore, it's something more than that. Actually, Pokémon hasn't even overdone anything with Pokémon yet. They are still relatively the same and simple as they used to be, just with a little more. So, in all respect, I think it's time a lot of players stop comparing the newer generations to the older generations. Now, that is pretty old and unoriginal if you ask me, since it happens every time. If anything, compare the new generation to the one before it, not one so many years back. It doesn't make any sense to compare Red and Blue to Black and White since they are two way different generations from two different eras in time. Pokémon is still Pokémon, nothing about that has changed.

As far as the graphics go, I would have quit Pokémon years ago if it had stayed like RBY and GSC. They were great at that time because nothing better was out. Now however we've been given more technology and larger spaces to work with. Like someone mentioned earlier, playing through city after city that looked the same got really old. At least every new generation we get now, each city has some new aspect to look forward to and the new graphics help with that ... a lot. So, if you're tired of what Pokémon has become now, then stop playing the newer games and stick to the older generation if that's what pleases you so much.

Saying this as easily as possible, but Pokémon isn't what it used to be. It's changed, so get used to it already and stop crying over something so old of a matter already. Not meaning to sound rude or harsh, but I'm just being direct to the topic at hand and giving my voice over the matter. That is, Pokémon is still Pokémon, change is expected, and it's tiring to see people keep comparing every new generation to the first generation [Red/Blue/Green] and then complaining about it.

This is right stop complaining and get over it already.

Haza June 3rd, 2010 6:40 PM

I would find the series boring if it kept it's basic boring designs, especially this late.

locoroco June 3rd, 2010 6:45 PM

good point id post a long rant but some1 alredy did and i make way to many grammar mistakes. peoples get used to the fact that everything changes if i must say you cant expect to be with the same old things just because you like them(well you could)but you have got to let go.i liked red and blue also the gsc deries but i cant say that i dint love fire red or leaf green and i cant say i didnt love heart gold and soul silver id be liying if i did my point is that things change either for the worst or for the better. reshiram and the other 1 i forgot the name look extremly simple they just have a lot of details thats it but they are simple zoura and zoroark are simple too they look like remixed versions of eevee and lucario i guess that you cant say their not simplistic because they are.try coming up with atleast 100+ pokemon designs each gen its not easy right get used to change everything will change example:cars they making a change to hybrid i atleast love the sound that gas guslers make but we are running out of fuel 1 day it will be a law to atleast own a hybrid car(i hope its not true and that it never happens).i say get used to it(not trying to sound rude or anything).

BleuVII June 3rd, 2010 6:54 PM

You know, Pokemon still has a lot of simplicity in it. Piplup and Chimchar were both very simple, as was Shinx, Pachirisu, Drifloon, Buneary, and a whole host of others. Honestly, I thought that Gen IV had much better pokemon than Gen III. I became interested after seeing Piplup, Chimchar, and Turtwig on a McDonald's ad in Japan. I hadn't been interested in pokemon in years. So I thought that was something.

hayner225 June 4th, 2010 11:54 AM

The creators are losing their creativity. I agree. The pokemon are looking more like fanmon.... come to think of it, the fan made pokemon look even better. They should make a contest where everyone makes their own pokemon and some get picked for the game.

empty streets June 4th, 2010 12:02 PM

I also agree that the pokemon are getting uglier. I liked the 2nd, 3rd generations and some pokemon from the 4th. I won't judge the 5th gen yet, but the starters do bug me.

Mew~ June 4th, 2010 12:59 PM

What happened to the old simple Pokemon?

Let me see... They got better LOL More better looking powerfuler and less like normal animals! What pokemon should look like! :D

LethalTexture June 4th, 2010 1:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hayner225 (Post 5853591)
The creators are losing their creativity. I agree. The pokemon are looking more like fanmon.... come to think of it, the fan made pokemon look even better. They should make a contest where everyone makes their own pokemon and some get picked for the game.

Oxymoron alert right there. They're losing their creativity by making more vibrant and detailed designs?

moon June 4th, 2010 1:12 PM

The thing I'm the most bitter about, is the legendaries.

Nothing wrong with them becoming plusiers numbers for each new gen, but they all look like robots now. Or wierd dolls. I liked Lugia and Ho-oh, they still had faces! And Mew and Mewtwo were a bit mysterious. I can stand some of the newer ones, like.... hm... Giratina. It's ok, especially in it's other shape. But the gen III legendaries can just go back home and stay there.

But meh. This is just me rambling like I've done in methinks many threads like this before.

I believe it's about how you feel about the games. We oldies who played the first ones when we were young and discovered pokémon, most of us (I assume) like gen I and II better. I think I've heard many of those who started playing pokémon when later generations were about thinks that they don't look too bad. And many of those who still do think gen I and II looks better, probably gets pepped up to think so by the oldies.
Maybe.

BleuVII June 4th, 2010 2:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Red's Hawt Chibi Pelippers (Post 5853776)
We oldies who played the first ones when we were young and discovered pokémon, most of us (I assume) like gen I and II better. I think I've heard many of those who started playing pokémon when later generations were about thinks that they don't look too bad. And many of those who still do think gen I and II looks better, probably gets pepped up to think so by the oldies.
Maybe.

Well, I'd guess so in some cases, but I would definitely be the exception to the rule. I played Gen I and didn't think that a lot of the pokemon looked very good. I felt like the creators were just running out of ideas when they passed the likes of Farfetch'd, Lickitung, Doduo, Dodrio, and some others. When Gen II came out, I took a look at the pokemon that had been highly publicized--the starters, Marill, Donphan, Ho-Oh, and Lugia--and thought that they all looked hideous. With the exception of Donphan, I still feel the same way. That made me skip Gen II entirely. Gen III came out, and one look at Treeko, Torchic, and Mudkip made me think that it wasn't for me. Looking at some of the other designs from Gen III, I think it was a wise choice. As I said before, it was when I was in a Japanese McDonald's that I first saw Gen IV pokemon, and it re-kindled my interest because I thought the designs were so good.

Numbers June 4th, 2010 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiny Shaymin (Post 5849444)
^ Excactly. First and second gens were fine, in the the third it started to get a little weird… but Diamond and Pearl just killed Pokémon. I really hate how complicated the new legendaries are, and even the starters are a bit too detailed.



Same here. Around the same time Pokémon came out, things like Yugioh and Digimon came out too… and they just seemed to “fancy” to me, so I went with Pokemon. I really hope the other Pokémon don’t get as over complicated as Digimon. It’ll really ruin it.

But you have the new starters as your Avatar and in your sig? lol xD
I agree though, I like the older stuff, it's more simple and better. But at the same time we better get used to change. Plus it's always interesting to see new things they come up with.

Spinosaurus June 4th, 2010 2:28 PM

Awesome, ugly, pretty, cute, disguting.
I don't care what would these Pokémon look like, I just pick my favorites and play.

I prefer ugly Pokémon over cute Pokémon anyways. :P

dieter57 June 4th, 2010 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Choy95 (Post 5851972)
I miss blue version :( and the yellow version cause pikachu follows u around

get a pikachu and walk around in kanto in SS/HG.
same thing.

kw2tsg1 June 4th, 2010 3:18 PM

The originals were great. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree on that in some shape or form. The newer gens are getting a bit fancy/crazy looking but it is interesting as to what they come up with.

batmon June 4th, 2010 3:29 PM

I'm sure if the generations were reversed, people would think that Gen I is too simplistic and not creative. Every gen has horrible pokemon, take your nostalgia goggles off and judge fairly.

Volroc June 4th, 2010 4:34 PM

i think they should balance out old classic design with new designs XD

i love ZeKrom (i capitalize the K to remember the correct pronuniaction lol)
i tihnk hes the most badass jet lookin dragon yet :3

dieter57 June 4th, 2010 4:39 PM

isn't he they only jet lookin dragon yet? derp.
and i agree.
balance the designs just a little bit.

shot571 June 4th, 2010 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 5853991)
Awesome, ugly, pretty, cute, disguting.
I don't care what would these Pokémon look like, I just pick my favorites and play.

I prefer ugly Pokémon over cute Pokémon anyways. :P

Lol I thought you were talking about Numbers's sig.I was just like What is he on about. :p
I like the legendaries and the starters are ok. grass and fire are ok. water though sucks imo. I reckon they are making them slightly more detailed to stop people comparing pokemon. e.g. bidoof + piplup = new starter. Plus now they can do more with the fames now since they have better technology. I agree they don't have that 'original' pokemon feel but they are pokemon none the less. Pretty good ones imo.

BleuVII June 4th, 2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Volroc (Post 5854227)
i love ZeKrom (i capitalize the K to remember the correct pronuniaction lol)

Not quite there Volroc.:cheeky: Japanese can't do consonant blends like "Kr", since all consonants (with the exception of 'n') must be followed by a vowel. So the Japanese is Zekuromu, which could be better romanized as Zek'rom.

Nikorasu June 4th, 2010 10:39 PM

UGH i hate the new generations. Everything is bad about them, their pokemon, storylines, how many ****ing legendaries they have to have. :\

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=ramblingsofsomeretards.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Framblingsofsomeretards.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F05%2F1270797910960.jpg&sref=http%3A%2F%2Framblingsofsomeretards.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F05%2F01%2F1966%2F

Gf D/P/Pt

DarkPrince304 June 4th, 2010 10:48 PM

If the people say Pokemon isn't like the way it was before then I blame the anime for it.
The Pokemon games are just getting Better and Better.
These games are gonna be the best Pokemon Games.
These are packed up with loads of new features.
Well they are making new Pokemon. Of course they'll use new designs. It can't get any simpler.
It's creativity people. I personally want the Pokemon to look more deadly :P
I guess Zoroark can own some handful of old Pokemon.
Just look at him he must be fast! :)

Timbjerr June 4th, 2010 11:00 PM

I dunno, it might be the fact that I'm a fair bit older than others who have been in the series since the beginning (I'm currently 23, and started playing Pokemon when it came out when I was 11), but Pokemon games don't hold as much nostalgic factor to me as things from my earlier childhood (Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, Disney movies back when they were good...), so nostalgia doesn't really impede me when I judge a pokemon's design objectively. I see Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Treecko, Turtwig, and Tsutaaja as fairly equal in stylistic design when I compare them. =/

Ninja Caterpie June 4th, 2010 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hayner225 (Post 5853591)
The creators are losing their creativity. I agree. The pokemon are looking more like fanmon.... come to think of it, the fan made pokemon look even better. They should make a contest where everyone makes their own pokemon and some get picked for the game.

Right, of course, because three magnets stuck together is so much more creative than a starship-like machine with magnet "guns". And, of course, a brown bird is more creative than a flowery hedgehog. Cool story, bro.

moon June 5th, 2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BleuVII (Post 5853961)
Well, I'd guess so in some cases, but I would definitely be the exception to the rule. I played Gen I and didn't think that a lot of the pokemon looked very good. I felt like the creators were just running out of ideas when they passed the likes of Farfetch'd, Lickitung, Doduo, Dodrio, and some others. When Gen II came out, I took a look at the pokemon that had been highly publicized--the starters, Marill, Donphan, Ho-Oh, and Lugia--and thought that they all looked hideous. With the exception of Donphan, I still feel the same way. That made me skip Gen II entirely. Gen III came out, and one look at Treeko, Torchic, and Mudkip made me think that it wasn't for me. Looking at some of the other designs from Gen III, I think it was a wise choice. As I said before, it was when I was in a Japanese McDonald's that I first saw Gen IV pokemon, and it re-kindled my interest because I thought the designs were so good.

That's cool :) there sure are many different people playing pokémon. Probably good that gamefreak can make everybody happy in some way.

I'm more for the cute pokémon... naturally my favourite gen is II, with Flaaffy, Chikorita, Jumpluff, Marill and the likes :p

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Originally Posted by Nikorasu (Post 5854892)

Now now. I think the storylines get more and more interesting. Johto and Kanto didn't have much of it, Hoenn was epic (for a pokémon game) and I haven't played through Sinnoh but it seems even better.
But this thread wasn't about the storylines.

And that comic is win.

A Pixy June 5th, 2010 4:47 AM

You call it simple, I call it lazy.

That, and the 4th Gen near the 2nd Gen in terms of gameplay.

You know, where it matters.

zNickhs June 5th, 2010 5:24 AM

Agree ;/

The old pokemons were more... cutie *0*

Diglett June 5th, 2010 6:01 AM

They're looking more and more ridiculous every generation, and they're being over-powered. That's why I stopped playing Yu-Gi-Oh because of the over-powering of the cards.

Adley June 5th, 2010 6:05 AM

What do you expect? With the technology available to add more details, why shouldn't GF use them? I will admit they look a little.... strange, but I thought the same about GenIV and now its my second favorite gen.

drivr3joe June 5th, 2010 7:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikorasu (Post 5854892)

lol perfect agree all the way

jbs829 June 5th, 2010 7:23 AM

all i have to say is if you're complaining so much about the pokemon and how much you hate it, then stop playing the games, otherwise you're just being a hypocrite

Leonardo10 June 5th, 2010 8:33 AM

I actually don't really mind the changes Pokemon are taking, even thought I found Gen III Pokemon so ugly, I mean seriously, a burning chicken and a Grass lizard? I had no regrets in choosing Mudkip thats for sure.

Jerme June 5th, 2010 8:51 AM

3rd gen was horrible, i only liked
treeko and evos
absol
corpfish & crawdaunt
aggron
tropius
cacturne
salamence

most of the rest were almost ok, or garbage

Dillon_68 June 5th, 2010 8:55 AM

I think that 3rd Gen was the most creative.

alster08 June 5th, 2010 11:41 AM

I also agree. Look at all the legendaries now. All fancy and upgraded. Remeber Mew. He is a legendary and has simple looks.

Omn June 5th, 2010 11:56 AM

I despise every single legendary after third gen cause they became so complicated and then they began to give a story on how they helped create the pokemon world and then they come out with the pokemon god arceus pokemon was never supposed to have a god its just makes me so mad

chikorita125 June 5th, 2010 12:22 PM

i liked the 4th gen pokemon, but the first gen was the most creative

Zekermei June 5th, 2010 1:41 PM

The reason why most of us think this is simply because we've grown up,and that the pokemon now arn't like the pokemon we had back then.

Nikorasu June 5th, 2010 1:46 PM

Ok, ok i know my writing wasn't good but the comic was. But seriously, every legendary has a storyline, Rotom has that one about wanting to take over the world so killed those two people (Thats just a rumour i think, don't know.) Arceus has that egg story and created the world and everything. Yawn cba.

I hope B/W are better then the last game.

Powerflare June 5th, 2010 2:00 PM

My take is that the first and second generations were the best. I like the 2nd generation Pokémon a bit more (the whole 2nd gen, actually), but only a little bit, just because the first generation seemed just a little bit too simple, but it was still great. I personally enjoyed the third generation, and yes, I can see people's point about how it escalated... but I don't think it was that bad. In fact, Pokémon Ruby Version was my favorite game for years. 4th generation went way over the top. I actually loved it all at first. But then I looked back at everything else and thought "come on, this isn't like the Pokémon I know!" To me, 5th generation doesn't seem really bad actually. I think it will be interesting to see what will come in the future.

Luck June 5th, 2010 2:12 PM

The stupid is strong in this thread.


I'm glad that the simplicity is gone. I cannot emphasize enough how stupid a design Muk and Koffing was. I'd rather have a badass poison dart frog than a blue turtle. All generations had their good and bad pokemon. If you took your nostalgia glasses off, you would see that instead of mindlessly jumping on the hate bandwagon.
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Originally Posted by Nikorasu (Post 5854892)
UGH i hate the new generations. Everything is bad about them, their pokemon, storylines, how many ****ing legendaries they have to have. :\

I'm just wondering how the last part was ever a valid argument. Can anyone please explain?

GreenStorm June 5th, 2010 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jbs829 (Post 5855625)
all i have to say is if you're complaining so much about the pokemon and how much you hate it, then stop playing the games, otherwise you're just being a hypocrite

He's just expressing his thoughts on the new generation. No need to be so negative. As you can tell, MANY people feel the same way, including me.

MagitekElite June 5th, 2010 3:40 PM

I miss everything that use to be Pokemon. The better Pokemon, the designs, the style, the music...everything.

Before Ash became a pimp and switched women and Pokemon around like clothes *sigh*

I wish it would go back to the simple times. :c

batmon June 5th, 2010 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chikorita125 (Post 5856367)
i liked the 4th gen pokemon, but the first gen was the most creative

Not creative at all, Magnemite the Magnet. Really?

The Exorcist June 5th, 2010 3:57 PM

Yeah, agreed. I even thought that Diamond and Pearl were going a bit too far... I wish it was the original 386 :(

Jerme June 5th, 2010 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by batmon (Post 5856879)
Not creative at all, Magnemite the Magnet. Really?

that and digletts evos had 0 creativity..they just put more of them together

batmon June 5th, 2010 5:20 PM

Yeah, Dodrio gains an extra head, Ekans and Arbok is just snake and Kobra backwards. I only thought a few Gen I pokemon were creative tbh, most were just animals recolored or objects.

Dillon_68 June 5th, 2010 7:08 PM

Pidgey = Standard Bird.

Voltorb evolves into a version of itself with the color's flipped around. Voltorb is basically a Pokemon based off a Pokeball.

Seel is a seal. -_-

And you guys said that the simpler Pokemon of the early gens were better, pshh. They are classic, however, because they started the Pokemon phenomenon.

Ninja Caterpie June 5th, 2010 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chikorita125 (Post 5856367)
i liked the 4th gen pokemon, but the first gen was the most creative

Because joining three of the same thing together to evolve it is creative. Because a seal with a horn is creative.. Because a purple sludgeball is creative. Because...

yeah, you get the idea, right?

Pokeyomom June 5th, 2010 7:30 PM

I think the simplicity of the old gens is what made them appealing. Complexity and simplicity are both appealing, but only to a point. The motif of simplicity can only go so far until the designs start getting more elaborate.

I personally think a prescribed change with an equal amount of the norm left (for nostalgic purposes), is great. It's a hit or miss affair. Not all the new pokes will be beautiful. It's all good, and none of us should really take it that seriously. If you truely despise the new designs, then don't buy the games. Simple as that:)

(I will harp on all of you dissing the old gens on the tense of "o it's just a magnet, a mole, etc". I loved that magnet foo'. That magnet is the grandaddy of your beloved steel pokes!:D)

Becki June 5th, 2010 7:32 PM

i have to agree, they should add changes to the game yes, but simplicity in the designs of new pokemon would be much better. It looks as if to me for gen 5 it will be as bad or worse as gen 4. Bring back the old style of 1 and 2!

`MorningSun June 5th, 2010 7:39 PM

I don't really mind the style of it just as long as its not to complex. As most people are saying simplicity I guess. Nothing TOO simple but nothing TOO complex.

Bamboo Basara June 5th, 2010 7:59 PM

I'm just happy they're finally getting creative. Gen 1 and 2 had some real duds in the creativity department. Pidgey, Persian, Diglett, Dugtrio, Seel, Krabby, Kingler, Grimer, Muk, Voltorb, Ekans, Arbok, Electrode, Exeggucute, Ledyba are some prime examples. Most of them are real life creatures with some very, very minute distortions.

Aggressor June 5th, 2010 8:04 PM

I don't really care how unoriginal 1st Gen was, it's just IT, you can't leave them out of anything. Also, 2nd Gen didn't have a lot of new Pokemon. 3rd Gen was the most creative. 4th Gen... was interesting, but still typical. Black & White is just TOO FAR. :(


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