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Dillon_68 June 2nd, 2010 6:30 PM

The world isn't the same as it was 10 years ago, face the fact that the world is changing and games are tweeked to suit the current trends. I mean, nowadays, people want 3D or HD graphics. Would people buy PS3's if it had graphics like the NES? No.

An Imperialist named Dak June 2nd, 2010 6:32 PM

oh yeah because a turtle with CANNONS in its back and a frog-dino having a giant plant-mushroom on its back isn't exaggerated and simple at all.

Stop wearing your nostalgia glasses and try coming up with 500+ unique pokemon because ONE guy comes up with at least 80% of the designs.

RyanGT June 2nd, 2010 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Raikt (Post 5849933)
Uh, so you remember when Pokemon didn't exist? Even if they were called something else, EV's and IV's have always been in Pokemon, along with shinies. This includes Generation I.

I'm talking about Red and Blue. There were not shinies in those games. And no one EV trained their pokemon, or IV bred in Red and Blue either.

shookie June 2nd, 2010 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mewtwo. (Post 5850004)
And no one EV trained their pokemon, or IV bred in Red and Blue either.

That's because you didn't have to. It was possible to max out all of the stats using the system in the original games. The variables and terminology have changed over the few years, but the mechanics have been there from the start.

Magmarizer June 2nd, 2010 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 5849373)
The reason I like Pokemon, is mainly because of the 1st and 2nd generation who had simple pokemon with no "ultra"-shields and random trees on their back. .

I agree with the above posters. what about pokemon with random bulbs on there back?

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Floaroma Town isn't much better either. The simple ones like Cerulean City were fine
"oh wow look at this town! it looks just the same as the last. and the one before that. and before that."

After a while it gets old to see the same type of town over and over agian.

FlameShocker June 2nd, 2010 7:13 PM

I have no real opinion on how the new(ish, meaning fourth generation) ones look. I was thrilled that they weren't doing the crap they'd done for third generation (barely any changes to evolutionary families with third generation). My only real complaints about fourth generation are Stealth Rock and Infernape outclassing Blaziken. In any case, I hope the crap of third generation won't be repeated in the fifth one.

PiPVoda June 3rd, 2010 9:33 AM

I don't see why some people are complaining about the designs. Like already mentioned there has to be a way to differentiate between old pokemon and new pokemon and as times progress designs change. The newer pokemon are just as simple-designed as the older generations. It just appears to some of you that they're not. I mean come on I have yet to see a pokemon with a helicopter, an AK-47, and a flame thrower strapped to its back so until then most pokemon are simply designed in my opinion.

Another thing, if you aren't pleased with the designs then don't play the games. Really, it's just as simple as that. I'm not trying to sound rude, but it just irks me when people complain about things like these when Game Freak spent YEARS developing it trying to please pokemon lovers everywhere. We should all be thankful we have so many pokemon and that pokemon didn't take some long hiatus like Digimon has after the 2nd or 3rd gen. Coming up with so many new pokemon has to be tough. I know for sure I would have never been able to design Reshiram, Zekrom, Zoroark/Zorua, or the starters on my own. :D

Bluerang1 June 3rd, 2010 9:52 AM

You're right, getting more complicated and extra not very "Pokémon" but, it's the future! Things move on! I like the change if you as me.

Cold Fusion June 3rd, 2010 10:09 AM

Yes, I think many miss the old games but you can keep the old consoles and play them if you wish and when ever you like. Whip up your Gameboy Colour (if you still have it that is) or whatever it is you want to play and give the old games a good whirl, that's what I do. Technology is growing up and so are the games, who nowadays would want the NES now? Not many people I know would want it, or may never have heard of it. Everybody (well, nearly everybody...) is all: "Yay, I have PS3 all that high definition stuff on my screen that rocks my socks off!" If you miss the old classics, go back to them, even if it's the Gameboy Colour you can only get to.

As for the designs, why complain? You're getting a good game to entertain you for a while, right? It's not like they're going to the extreme, I agree with PiPVoda here, the designs are still pretty simple. Maybe they're ugly to you, but it's a load of pixels on your consoles screen. Get over it. You're getting a treat of a game with some new styles, I bet it takes hours (Such an understatement) maybe even to think of all these designs even if they're basing them off other Pokemon from the previous games. I'd say just be glad they haven't dropped the whole Pokemon subject and enjoy past and present games!

Charmageddon June 3rd, 2010 11:55 AM

I don't the the more complex designs either, I feel that they try to hard to be "epic and kewl". However, I believe that such designs, while they have increased in number since Gen I, are still in the minority.

ase June 3rd, 2010 12:07 PM

just play the game ppl its called change if Game Freak didn't add all the graphics onto the pokes, it would have went out of business a Long time ago

HugSomebody June 3rd, 2010 12:10 PM

As new Pokemon increase, simplistic designs will decrease. The creators have to get creative and make a distinct difference between all the Pokemon (especially parallels of different generations, such as Meowth and Skitty) and to do this, they have to make the Pokemon a little more complex. I personally see nothing wrong with this; it's interesting to see what new designs are brought to the table. =D

Dubstep June 3rd, 2010 12:14 PM

For the most part I agree with you (Rotom WTF), but there have been some cool Pokemon in 4th and 5th gen. Leafeon and Lucario, anyone?

I wish they'd focus on new things besides new Pokemon, though. If they didn't have to whip 50+ new species out of their rears every couple of years, it might not be so bad.

Xyrin June 3rd, 2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PiPVoda (Post 5851094)
I don't see why some people are complaining about the designs. Like already mentioned there has to be a way to differentiate between old pokemon and new pokemon and as times progress designs change. The newer pokemon are just as simple-designed as the older generations. It just appears to some of you that they're not. I mean come on I have yet to see a pokemon with a helicopter, an AK-47, and a flame thrower strapped to its back so until then most pokemon are simply designed in my opinion.

Another thing, if you aren't pleased with the designs then don't play the games. Really, it's just as simple as that. I'm not trying to sound rude, but it just irks me when people complain about things like these when Game Freak spent YEARS developing it trying to please pokemon lovers everywhere. We should all be thankful we have so many pokemon and that pokemon didn't take some long hiatus like Digimon has after the 2nd or 3rd gen. Coming up with so many new pokemon has to be tough. I know for sure I would have never been able to design Reshiram, Zekrom, Zoroark/Zorua, or the starters on my own. :D

I completely agree with you! Stop complaining people.

Guy June 3rd, 2010 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 5849460)
Better get used to change, people.

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5849555)
You know, if you stop complaining about the new pokemon just because they're not just like the original pokemon, and just play the games as casually as you played the original games, the new pokemon will grow on you. >_>

I hated the genIV pokemon when they were all leaked, but I'm indifferent at worst to most of them. =/

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Originally Posted by Dillon_68 (Post 5849999)
The world isn't the same as it was 10 years ago, face the fact that the world is changing and games are tweeked to suit the current trends. I mean, nowadays, people want 3D or HD graphics. Would people buy PS3's if it had graphics like the NES? No.

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Originally Posted by An Imperialist named Dak (Post 5850000)
oh yeah because a turtle with CANNONS in its back and a frog-dino having a giant plant-mushroom on its back isn't exaggerated and simple at all.

Stop wearing your nostalgia glasses and try coming up with 500+ unique pokemon because ONE guy comes up with at least 80% of the designs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiPVoda (Post 5851094)
I don't see why some people are complaining about the designs. Like already mentioned there has to be a way to differentiate between old pokemon and new pokemon and as times progress designs change. The newer pokemon are just as simple-designed as the older generations. It just appears to some of you that they're not. I mean come on I have yet to see a pokemon with a helicopter, an AK-47, and a flame thrower strapped to its back so until then most pokemon are simply designed in my opinion.

Another thing, if you aren't pleased with the designs then don't play the games. Really, it's just as simple as that. I'm not trying to sound rude, but it just irks me when people complain about things like these when Game Freak spent YEARS developing it trying to please pokemon lovers everywhere. We should all be thankful we have so many pokemon and that pokemon didn't take some long hiatus like Digimon has after the 2nd or 3rd gen. Coming up with so many new pokemon has to be tough. I know for sure I would have never been able to design Reshiram, Zekrom, Zoroark/Zorua, or the starters on my own. :D

All these posters here have it right. Every time a new generation comes out, people are always bringing up the same exact complaint. "Pokémon has become so unoriginal. Nothing beats the older Red and Blue days where things were so simple. " Well, that was about fourteen years ago since Red and Blue, and to be honest, what we have now is a lot better than what we had before. Yes, yes, I did say that what we have now is a lot better than before. For one, all the Pokémon back from the 1st and 2nd Generation were all very simple. I think when Pokémon became established and realized they could take risks in bringing more to Pokémon is when they started to develop even more. They became more unique in their own way. So, it isn't just a blue turtle with a shell anymore, it's something more than that. Actually, Pokémon hasn't even overdone anything with Pokémon yet. They are still relatively the same and simple as they used to be, just with a little more. So, in all respect, I think it's time a lot of players stop comparing the newer generations to the older generations. Now, that is pretty old and unoriginal if you ask me, since it happens every time. If anything, compare the new generation to the one before it, not one so many years back. It doesn't make any sense to compare Red and Blue to Black and White since they are two way different generations from two different eras in time. Pokémon is still Pokémon, nothing about that has changed.

As far as the graphics go, I would have quit Pokémon years ago if it had stayed like RBY and GSC. They were great at that time because nothing better was out. Now however we've been given more technology and larger spaces to work with. Like someone mentioned earlier, playing through city after city that looked the same got really old. At least every new generation we get now, each city has some new aspect to look forward to and the new graphics help with that ... a lot. So, if you're tired of what Pokémon has become now, then stop playing the newer games and stick to the older generation if that's what pleases you so much.

Saying this as easily as possible, but Pokémon isn't what it used to be. It's changed, so get used to it already and stop crying over something so old of a matter already. Not meaning to sound rude or harsh, but I'm just being direct to the topic at hand and giving my voice over the matter. That is, Pokémon is still Pokémon, change is expected, and it's tiring to see people keep comparing every new generation to the first generation [Red/Blue/Green] and then complaining about it.

dieter57 June 3rd, 2010 1:24 PM

^epic win!^
couldn't agree more.
you win the thread.

cobraman228 June 3rd, 2010 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiiro (Post 5851593)









All these posters here have it right. Every time a new generation comes out, people are always bringing up the same exact complaint. "Pokémon has become so unoriginal. Nothing beats the older Red and Blue days where things were so simple. " Well, that was about fourteen years ago since Red and Blue, and to be honest, what we have now is a lot better than what we had before. Yes, yes, I did say that what we have now is a lot better than before. For one, all the Pokémon back from the 1st and 2nd Generation were all very simple. I think when Pokémon became established and realized they could take risks in bringing more to Pokémon is when they started to develop even more. They became more unique in their own way. So, it isn't just a blue turtle with a shell anymore, it's something more than that. Actually, Pokémon hasn't even overdone anything with Pokémon yet. They are still relatively the same and simple as they used to be, just with a little more. So, in all respect, I think it's time a lot of players stop comparing the newer generations to the older generations. Now, that is pretty old and unoriginal if you ask me, since it happens every time. If anything, compare the new generation to the one before it, not one so many years back. It doesn't make any sense to compare Red and Blue to Black and White since they are two way different generations from two different eras in time. Pokémon is still Pokémon, nothing about that has changed.

As far as the graphics go, I would have quit Pokémon years ago if it had stayed like RBY and GSC. They were great at that time because nothing better was out. Now however we've been given more technology and larger spaces to work with. Like someone mentioned earlier, playing through city after city that looked the same got really old. At least every new generation we get now, each city has some new aspect to look forward to and the new graphics help with that ... a lot. So, if you're tired of what Pokémon has become now, then stop playing the newer games and stick to the older generation if that's what pleases you so much.

Saying this as easily as possible, but Pokémon isn't what it used to be. It's changed, so get used to it already and stop crying over something so old of a matter already. Not meaning to sound rude or harsh, but I'm just being direct to the topic at hand and giving my voice over the matter. That is, Pokémon is still Pokémon, change is expected, and it's tiring to see people keep comparing every new generation to the first generation [Red/Blue/Green] and then complaining about it.

Epic WIN!

This good person summarized everything I wanted to say.

Do you really want old R/B/Y or G/S/C Graphics or Pokemon style anymore. No, if it was still like the ol' 8 bit days, I would not be playing Pokemon anymore. Change is a good thing. I love most of the Gen III and IV Pokemon, Lucario being my favorite. Get a grip, play the game, and have fun :)

dr.feelgood11 June 3rd, 2010 1:51 PM

i kinda agree with you but personally i like the way that creators try to create newer sleeker pokemon, it's true that some of them are complete fails (drapion for examlple) but a lot of them are pretty badass (gallade) i do sometimes wish that they can go back to the basics of the 1st gen but then again i'd like to see what new ideas and add-ons they come with

For the record i don't approve of the new starters except for Tsutaja (the snake obnoxious looking one) But i approve of the 2 legendaries and Zorua/Zoroark

Also, Hiiro just won this thread with that argument, no ifs ands or buts

altariaking June 3rd, 2010 4:11 PM

hooray, black and white are finally here!
wow, it's a new pokemon, let's see what it is!
a blue ball with eyes! awesome!

in case you can't tell, i'm being sarcastic.
if you don't like what's new, chuck your xbox out the window and go play pokemon blue like a good little boy.

TheAppleFreak June 3rd, 2010 4:40 PM

I'd post a long rant explaining how times are changing and that you have to get used to new things, but Hiiro already said it.

I for one think that many of the Gen IV Pokémon are actually rather creative, even if they bear similarities to older species. And some of the Gen IV Pokémon were very creative and epic in their own right (Garchomp, anyone?). Admittedly, there were a few blunders (Probopass) in Gen IV, and the same will be said about Gen V, but in time it'll just grow on us. Disengage the nostalgia filter and prepare for the future, because it'll be here whether you like it or not.

Choy95 June 3rd, 2010 5:19 PM

I miss blue version :( and the yellow version cause pikachu follows u around

GoldvsRed June 3rd, 2010 6:09 PM

The way I see it, the Pokemon get uglier whenever people complain about them. Art styles change, for better of for worse. I, for one, actually thought that the Gen. V Pokemon (the revealed ones, that is) looked much simpler than the Pokes of Gen. III and Gen. IV.



Actually, I've decided that its not that Pokemon's going downhill, its just that we're growing up. Simple as that.

Toa Hyro June 3rd, 2010 6:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiiro (Post 5851593)








All these posters here have it right. Every time a new generation comes out, people are always bringing up the same exact complaint. "Pokémon has become so unoriginal. Nothing beats the older Red and Blue days where things were so simple. " Well, that was about fourteen years ago since Red and Blue, and to be honest, what we have now is a lot better than what we had before. Yes, yes, I did say that what we have now is a lot better than before. For one, all the Pokémon back from the 1st and 2nd Generation were all very simple. I think when Pokémon became established and realized they could take risks in bringing more to Pokémon is when they started to develop even more. They became more unique in their own way. So, it isn't just a blue turtle with a shell anymore, it's something more than that. Actually, Pokémon hasn't even overdone anything with Pokémon yet. They are still relatively the same and simple as they used to be, just with a little more. So, in all respect, I think it's time a lot of players stop comparing the newer generations to the older generations. Now, that is pretty old and unoriginal if you ask me, since it happens every time. If anything, compare the new generation to the one before it, not one so many years back. It doesn't make any sense to compare Red and Blue to Black and White since they are two way different generations from two different eras in time. Pokémon is still Pokémon, nothing about that has changed.

As far as the graphics go, I would have quit Pokémon years ago if it had stayed like RBY and GSC. They were great at that time because nothing better was out. Now however we've been given more technology and larger spaces to work with. Like someone mentioned earlier, playing through city after city that looked the same got really old. At least every new generation we get now, each city has some new aspect to look forward to and the new graphics help with that ... a lot. So, if you're tired of what Pokémon has become now, then stop playing the newer games and stick to the older generation if that's what pleases you so much.

Saying this as easily as possible, but Pokémon isn't what it used to be. It's changed, so get used to it already and stop crying over something so old of a matter already. Not meaning to sound rude or harsh, but I'm just being direct to the topic at hand and giving my voice over the matter. That is, Pokémon is still Pokémon, change is expected, and it's tiring to see people keep comparing every new generation to the first generation [Red/Blue/Green] and then complaining about it.

This is right stop complaining and get over it already.

Haza June 3rd, 2010 6:40 PM

I would find the series boring if it kept it's basic boring designs, especially this late.

locoroco June 3rd, 2010 6:45 PM

good point id post a long rant but some1 alredy did and i make way to many grammar mistakes. peoples get used to the fact that everything changes if i must say you cant expect to be with the same old things just because you like them(well you could)but you have got to let go.i liked red and blue also the gsc deries but i cant say that i dint love fire red or leaf green and i cant say i didnt love heart gold and soul silver id be liying if i did my point is that things change either for the worst or for the better. reshiram and the other 1 i forgot the name look extremly simple they just have a lot of details thats it but they are simple zoura and zoroark are simple too they look like remixed versions of eevee and lucario i guess that you cant say their not simplistic because they are.try coming up with atleast 100+ pokemon designs each gen its not easy right get used to change everything will change example:cars they making a change to hybrid i atleast love the sound that gas guslers make but we are running out of fuel 1 day it will be a law to atleast own a hybrid car(i hope its not true and that it never happens).i say get used to it(not trying to sound rude or anything).


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