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SgtPatches June 7th, 2010 10:37 AM

Elm's Togepi and the issue about Eggs.
 
Boy, was I happy last night when my egg hatched into a Togepi and I realized it had Extrasensory as an egg move. That makes Togepi so much more usable. Although that could only happen if its father was a Hoothoot or Noctowl with Extrasensory.

Which begins to confuse me about Professor Elm. Professor Elm is just dumbstruck when he receives the egg, like "HERPA DERP WHAT'S THIS," when someone down the line who gave it to him must have somehow realized that breeding a male Hoothoot or Noctowl with a female Togetic or Togekiss would produce that result.

Which also furthers my amazement considering just a few towns over from New Bark Town, near Goldenrod, a couple has been breeding Pokemon.

Which forces me to ask the question:

"WHO THE HELL MADE SOMEONE LIKE ELM A PROFESSOR?"

I mean seriously, is it that hard to figure out what an egg is and how it's produced? He treats it as if he just found a statue of the Virgin Mary crying blood.

DarkSlayer1331 June 7th, 2010 10:49 AM

LMFAO!!! Oh wow, I love you right now. You're just like me in that you think of things like this and question the logic of it in the game. Like with Falkner. You should go look at what I just said about Falkner in his topic. It's completely ridiculous how they put these things in the games and just expect us to not realize how much sense it does NOT make. And the sadder part? Most people DON'T think about this stuff. *sighs*

redsaber5859 June 7th, 2010 1:15 PM

LOL elm is important for 2 secs then OAK is the main prof of the game! lollollol
ya i liked crystal where you got a free egg with 50% shiny...

Storm_has_formed June 7th, 2010 5:12 PM

Elm gets no love... sad but true, Oak is the professor of the game

cystar June 7th, 2010 5:34 PM

Yes exectlly he thinks anything with an egg is amazing when according to the game timline you can do it i r/s/e witch is 3 years prior

Heart's Soul June 7th, 2010 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cystar (Post 5863049)
Yes exectlly he thinks anything with an egg is amazing when according to the game timline you can do it i r/s/e witch is 3 years prior

RSE takes place 2 years after HGSS. RGBY/FRLG takes place 3 years before HGSS.

bobandbill June 7th, 2010 6:02 PM

Heh, I and a friend have also often wondered about Elm's stupidity. Although competent professors aren't always in supply - Oak is the shizz and Rowan is all right, but Birch gets harassed by a Poochyena/Zigzagoon. Well done, professor.

I'll add one other thing to Elm's problems with eggs (never mind him managing to get robbed) - he has a family with a kid. And he doesn't understand where eggs come from.

He has a kid...wdfhkfuhviujwefovip0ofd. =(

metalflygon08 June 7th, 2010 6:33 PM

Well in Pokeverse Eggs seem to be created from the energy between 2 pokemon, not sexually, at least according to Cynthia's words from the Arceus event, so Arceus can Breed, only with hundreds of Unknown, ad the baby is neiter species of the parent.

Shiari Xero June 7th, 2010 6:35 PM

You guys are looking at G/S/C, and yes back then he was stupid, but in the revamped HG/SS dialogue he says:

"This is an Egg...isnt it? This Egg may be something ive never seen..but still its just an Egg." and so on. Implying he has seen eggs, but just not the type that togepi is in.

:P

metalflygon08 June 7th, 2010 6:46 PM

Of course, but the Kimono Girl who gave it to Mr.Pokemon, must've knew what it would be, so either they didn't tell Mr. Pokemon, or he's a jerk.

riddleraven June 7th, 2010 6:54 PM

I know the game is a remake but I wish they'd changed the dialogue a bit so that it at least made sense. This type of stuff really did bug me. -_-'

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Originally Posted by metalflygon08 (Post 5863244)
Of course, but the Kimono Girl who gave it to Mr.Pokemon, must've knew what it would be, so either they didn't tell Mr. Pokemon, or he's a jerk.

lmfao. Exactly.

ShiShi June 8th, 2010 12:21 AM

Elm is the newbie of the Pokemon professors, so of course he's not all that edumacated about stuff like eggs and breeding. In fact, he's not actually a professor at all yet- he's just Prof. Oak's intern who likes to delude young Trainer's into thinking he is an actual professor.

At least, that's my theory. *nerdy glassespush*

moon June 8th, 2010 1:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 5863862)
Just to drop a small hint, Professor Elm was originally in Gold/Silver/Crystal as the person who would research one of the first eggs to be found. But since FR/LG retroactively added eggs, they had to change the plot involving him, since in HeartGold/SoulSilver, eggs definitely existed. They obviously didn't try very hard to fix that plothole, since that part of the plot in HG/SS is rather awkward-sounding.

I look at HG/SS as if it took place back when G/S/C did. On the pokémon timeline.

So it would have been ok to keep the original dialogue... if they hadn't added eggs to FR/LG, perhaps.

riddleraven June 8th, 2010 6:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 5863862)
Just to drop a small hint, Professor Elm was originally in Gold/Silver/Crystal as the person who would research one of the first eggs to be found. But since FR/LG retroactively added eggs, they had to change the plot involving him... They obviously didn't try very hard to fix that plothole, since that part of the plot in HG/SS is rather awkward-sounding.



You're right, they didn't try hard enough to fix that. They tried to keep it the same way, instead of updating it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Red's Hawt Chibi Pelippers (Post 5863898)
I look at HG/SS as if it took place back when G/S/C did. On the pokémon timeline.



I think viewing these games that way is what CREATED this problem in the first place. It's what the developers did. These games should NOT BE remakes, in my opinion. They should be more of a "re-vist"


See, we had G/S/C and it centered around certain regions. But the other regions in the pokemon world existed too and they progressed. We didn't hear about G/S/C for a long time after that. But did Johto just exist in some kind of
vacuum, it's own little world? No. It would've been in the background, learning about new things (like eggs) and upgrading technology wise.

The hardest thing, actually, would be to upgrade the tech. But HG/SS has show us that they DID upgrade their tech. They got an amazing Global Trading Center that could NOT have existed in the original game's timeline without throwing off the timeline of the other games which had the GTC first!


So for them to have gotten great, new tech without LEARNING about things like eggs is LUDICROUS to me. Knowledge is basically free and it spreads rapidly. They have TVs and reporters and a radio tower and apparently the internet! Come on, they would know about everything that we all know about the pokemon world, even the things they don't have in their region. (like pokemon contests) Because they HAVEN'T existed in a vacuum.


I like the new features, like the GTC. I'd hate for them to be left out. But I am disappointed that the developers only went halfway with it. If they wanted to make it a real remake then it should've been exactly the same game with better graphics--that way it COULD replace G/S/C on the timeline without messing things up. But since they chose to update PARTS of the game, they should've gone all out by changing the whole story.

...Don'tcha think?

Flare Riqueza June 8th, 2010 11:23 AM

Elm isn't an idiot.

He could instantly tell Notchi (my Notch-Eared Pichu) had travelled through time, without me even telling him than old man told me that.

He also has a brilliant memory. He remembered all that stuff Oak said about Celebi and Time Travel off by heart? He's brilliant.

Whoever mocked Birch, remember this: he gives you a pokemon! show him some love.
Also, by the appearance of it (although in Emerald it's worse, Zigzagoon isn't threatening, Poochyena is sort of threatening) that he left his bag to wander into the grass exploring, and got jumped. Who knows, it may have clawed his back for all we know?!

Anyway, Togepi is meant to be one of the first eggs found. The Kimono Girl probably just threw Extrasensory in for a nice surprise...maybe Mr. Pokemon had liked her Noctowl and Togetic?(I'm sure she must have Togetic).

And, do you understand how eggs are formed, guys? Any of you? Other than Arceus being able to make one if enough Unown surround him? And the Dialga/Palkia/Giratina egg isn't normal, it has a soft shell going by the image, and is just a vessel to transport a deity from wherever it is he stuck it when he was bored.

I don't see Pikachus with breasts or (*what you see when Bart is naked in the Simpsons Movie*) running around Yellow and Viridian Forests, do you?

Give him some lovin'

Rowan's the failure if you ask me. But he's not really a failure, he just screws up in that he doesn't appear to have family. So I feel sorry for him.

SgtPatches June 8th, 2010 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flare Riqueza (Post 5864573)
Elm isn't an idiot.

He could instantly tell Notchi (my Notch-Eared Pichu) had travelled through time, without me even telling him than old man told me that.

He also has a brilliant memory. He remembered all that stuff Oak said about Celebi and Time Travel off by heart? He's brilliant.

Whoever mocked Birch, remember this: he gives you a pokemon! show him some love.
Also, by the appearance of it (although in Emerald it's worse, Zigzagoon isn't threatening, Poochyena is sort of threatening) that he left his bag to wander into the grass exploring, and got jumped. Who knows, it may have clawed his back for all we know?!

Anyway, Togepi is meant to be one of the first eggs found. The Kimono Girl probably just threw Extrasensory in for a nice surprise...maybe Mr. Pokemon had liked her Noctowl and Togetic?(I'm sure she must have Togetic).

And, do you understand how eggs are formed, guys? Any of you? Other than Arceus being able to make one if enough Unown surround him? And the Dialga/Palkia/Giratina egg isn't normal, it has a soft shell going by the image, and is just a vessel to transport a deity from wherever it is he stuck it when he was bored.

I don't see Pikachus with breasts or (*what you see when Bart is naked in the Simpsons Movie*) running around Yellow and Viridian Forests, do you?

Give him some lovin'

Rowan's the failure if you ask me. But he's not really a failure, he just screws up in that he doesn't appear to have family. So I feel sorry for him.

I think it's beneficial to be a professor without a family. Professor Oak has grandchildren and still asks you his grandson's name.

Flare Riqueza June 9th, 2010 10:41 AM

Lol.

True.

If anything, Prof. Oak's an old duffer (Although he doesn't think it's odd Blue/Green doesn't have any parents around? Maybe they're dead or something...).

But I suppose lack of family means Prof. Rowan will be able to dedicate more time for research (and perve on Dawn/Lucas, xD)

LethalTexture June 9th, 2010 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heart's Soul (Post 5863117)
RSE takes place 2 years after HGSS. RGBY/FRLG takes place 3 years before HGSS.

In fact, Gen I and Gen III take place at the same time, as do Gens II and IV. Hence why the games in each former gen were remade in the latter.

NickofTime June 9th, 2010 12:46 PM

That brings into question whether they ever thought about putting the professors labs in a more accessible place instead of a town no one's heard of and has a total of like 4 inhabitants.
Ok i just called prof elm right now
elm: there are so many different ways that pokemon evolve aren't there!?

me: bill nye the science guy would make a better professor than you

elm: Certain pokemon don't even evolve unless they meet certain conditions first!

me: this explains why your aid's daughter still has a marrill -.-

elm: How do i end a call again... do i press this but- click....

MrsNorrington June 9th, 2010 4:43 PM

It's just his characterization. He's the same way in the anime series too.

Digital Wings June 10th, 2010 2:44 PM

OP made me laugh out loud with a mouthful of water. Still cleaning up the mess.

pokemoneg June 14th, 2010 5:11 AM

Not to mention the egg, when you evolve it to togikiss, and talk to mr.pokemon and elm they dont do anything! They did say stuff about ledgendary pokemon. Although it may be just lugia and hooh, but what about this pokemon you stuck me with? Huh?! :facedesk:

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty June 14th, 2010 5:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 5863129)
I'll add one other thing to Elm's problems with eggs (never mind him managing to get robbed) - he has a family with a kid. And he doesn't understand where eggs come from.

He has a kid...wdfhkfuhviujwefovip0ofd. =(

That so reminds me of this.

"Would you prefer it if Michael didn't attend Biology class?"
"Well certainly I would, if those are the sorts of lies he's going to be repeating at the dinner-table!"
"...They're not lies, Mister Smear?"
"Oh! Aren't they! What, sexual intercourse can bring about pregnancy in the adult female?"
"Well, that's quite true..."
"True my arse! Nothing more than a disgusting rumour put about by trendy young people in the 60's!"

Tanaki June 14th, 2010 7:17 AM

Professor Elm is just a noob if I ever saw one. He has several kids, but is still astounded about eggs, like he's never seen one in his friggin' life, and he's gotta be like in his mid-20's? And the daycare people themselves are just as bad. To this day I'm still baffled as to whether or not the people at the day-care are just senile old farts, dropped on their heads or just trying to subtly hint at breeding. How long have they run the day care and they still act like they just pooped their pants in excitement every time a pokemon has an egg? I wish nintendo would just cut around all the "OH! We were looking after your pokemon, and by goodness we found an egg!" crap. I know it's for the kiddies, but still.

Myles June 14th, 2010 7:46 AM

Keep in mind humans don't lay eggs and animals seem to have been retconned out of the Pokemon world. If you consider Hoenn to be cut off from Johto (after all, they have different Pokemon lists), it sort of makes sense.


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