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Red's Charizard June 7th, 2010 11:48 AM

Team Rocket as Black and White Evil Team??
 
Three years later, one Team Rocket operative returned to Kanto to steal a critical part from its Power Plant. Since only this member was involved in this plot, it is likely that he had no knowledge of Team Rocket's prior second disbandment and was working independently. Curiously enough, in HeartGold and SoulSilver, he mentions that he will return to his home country and rebuild Team Rocket anew, something that he did not say in the original games. Team Rocket has not been seen since, but this Grunts's added dialogue in the more recent remakes may hint that Game Freak is not yet finished with Team Rocket's schemes.
[from "Bulbapedia"]

Is it possible that "his home country" is Isshu??
Motivation: in HG and SS there is an item that open an event whit Black and White (I don't remember the name :P), so it is possible that Gamefreak has anticipate, in addition to this obiect, the refoundation od TeamRocket in Isshu. Actually we don't know what really append to TeamRocket, Giovanni or someone else after Johto events, so I think it is really possible.

So we're going to have a rebuilt of TeamRocket in Black and White...I think this would be a super-idea!

What do you think? Are you agree?

Lord Varion June 7th, 2010 11:53 AM

I agree
the rocket does admit to going to home country and re-building the team
But he could mean something else
but i would be good to see them again
They should get new uniform

blazez3212 June 7th, 2010 11:54 AM

Good Idea but i think there was already a thread about this

Storm_has_formed June 7th, 2010 11:55 AM

please no more team rocket... please be original and create a new team!

xDaisuke0 June 7th, 2010 11:56 AM

I like it.
But this time, I hope it's just the ONE team. I couldn't see another team AND Team Rocket. And why are there always two teams now? ~_~ I dont like it.

And Maybe Team Rocket won't have EVERYTHING to do with the legendary? It got annoying and I like how TR was in the older games. Just wreaking havoc and doing bad **** instead of getting legendaries.

Red's Charizard June 7th, 2010 11:59 AM

sorry if there just a post :P

new uniform...great idea (y)

§acred†Beo! June 7th, 2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xDaisuke0 (Post 5862138)
I like it.
But this time, I hope it's just the ONE team. I couldn't see another team AND Team Rocket. And why are there always two teams now? ~_~ I dont like it.

And Maybe Team Rocket won't have EVERYTHING to do with the legendary? It got annoying and I like how TR was in the older games. Just wreaking havoc and doing bad **** instead of getting legendaries.

I'm pretty sure there has only been two teams once and that was during the 3rd gen. Although I actually believe that is what made the game so different and original was having two teams one good and one evil.

Magmarizer June 7th, 2010 12:07 PM

i dont think so. They act like this game is going to be totally new, and having team rocket would be to similar to gen1 and 2. mabye they want you to think its going to be team rocket to surprise you with another team.

Benjamin510 June 7th, 2010 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red's Charizard (Post 5862105)
Three years later, one Team Rocket operative returned to Kanto to steal a critical part from its Power Plant. Since only this member was involved in this plot, it is likely that he had no knowledge of Team Rocket's prior second disbandment and was working independently. Curiously enough, in HeartGold and SoulSilver, he mentions that he will return to his home country and rebuild Team Rocket anew, something that he did not say in the original games. Team Rocket has not been seen since, but this Grunts's added dialogue in the more recent remakes may hint that Game Freak is not yet finished with Team Rocket's schemes.
[from "Bulbapedia"]

Is it possible that "his home country" is Isshu??
Motivation: in HG and SS there is an item that open an event whit Black and White (I don't remember the name :P), so it is possible that Gamefreak has anticipate, in addition to this obiect, the refoundation od TeamRocket in Isshu. Actually we don't know what really append to TeamRocket, Giovanni or someone else after Johto events, so I think it is really possible.

So we're going to have a rebuilt of TeamRocket in Black and White...I think this would be a super-idea!

What do you think? Are you agree?

I do not because you are thinking of the Lock/Rock Capsule, which can not be traded to B/W For it is an key item....

RyanGT June 7th, 2010 12:15 PM

Smart thinking there Red. Seems logical , but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Luck June 7th, 2010 12:16 PM

They're such attention hogs that they need to be in 3 games?
I beseech you Nintendo, please don't make Team Rocket come back again.

It is entirely possible that he could be talking about Isshu, but remember that Pokemon is supposed to take place in the real world. He could be talking about any place in the world.

PiPVoda June 7th, 2010 12:23 PM

How many times are we going to have to let Team Rocket come back only to be defeated again? :P

Good idea, though I have another, there could be no team in Isshu (at first). If Rocket is brought back why not include another team (maybe Galactic?) The point can be since yin/yang are forces that are interconnected/dependent on one another in the world Team Rocket & other teams, coming together to form sort of a coalition-team, are the outside force trying to disrupt this yin/yang story of ours (it would work well if Isshu had its modern/natural world connected in a way that didn't harm either). I don't know how I can explain any further but it basically goes along the lines of:

1) Being ran out of their respective regions some members of the old teams run to Isshu (assuming that Hiun definitely is a port city they could come in through it)..
2) They form a coalition and come up with a new name, uniforms, etc. so that no one will recognize them
3) Learning of how Isshu is interconnected and also about the legends (I assume) they seek out to destroy this balance and use it to their advantage.
4) Their actions reak havoc across the region, possibly forcing some rift between the people of Isshu. (You know, you don't know who is apart of the team, just gossip basically)

Maybe my idea sounds dumb >_<...but if Team Rocket is going to be back then IMHO they should have a plan somewhat like this.

moon June 7th, 2010 12:47 PM

I'm thinking they will have two teams, like in Ruby and Sapphire, since it's yin/yang yes. But I'd like the idea of TR coming back, more :)

Maybe two new branches of TR?

GlitchCity June 7th, 2010 1:05 PM

I would cry if I have to fight Team Rocket again. We already had them in every generation, I think its time to lay them to rest. And besides this is the rebirth of pokemon. I dont think we will see the rockets again.

Now if Silver shows up in the games, well thats a different story :p

Haza June 7th, 2010 1:28 PM

Team Rockets color scheme goes well with this generation too, and the guys standing near the dock in one of those screenshots looks a lot like a Rocket grunt... but I was kinda looking forward to a new organization.

amberrelf June 7th, 2010 1:29 PM

No evil team will ever surpass Team Rocket.
Having Team Rocket in the new games would be wonderful.

shengar June 7th, 2010 2:26 PM

Team Rocket and their leader, Giovanni is the best villainous team in the game. Team Magma&Aqua grunt is okay, but their leader and their cause are forgettable . Teaem Galactic Leader is equal to Giovanni in term of awesomeness, but their grunt is horrible. We should give them a chance since Team Rocket executives that appear in HG/SS have very little appearance. A new doesn't really necessary, especially team Rocket is supposed to be a big crime syndicate.

Camara June 7th, 2010 2:30 PM

Team Rocket is by far the best of the evil organizations and Geovanni is one of the best, if not the best, Pokémon character. I'll love seeing them as a multi-regional organization than just a Kanto-Johto one. And in the region history we would not wipe out them (dah, it's just pokémon fights) but just destroy their immediate plains.

hmm... now I'm imagining the story of a region centered about the fact the Team Rocket controls it and therefore we'll play in a mafia-like controlled region. Sweet.

dieter57 June 7th, 2010 2:44 PM

i HATE team rocket. i really do.

my prediction is team yin and team yang.
each has ideas to concur the world and make it a better place in their own vision.
your mission is to capture the legendary pokemon before they can use it to make the world entirely technological or send the entier human race back to the stone age!

the fate of isshu rest in your hands!

WiiMann June 7th, 2010 2:55 PM

Team Rocket=B.A.
Team Galatica= Total and utter LAMENESS!

Zeta Sukuna June 7th, 2010 3:03 PM

Here's how I think it should be, though I bet people will disagree. Have Team Rocket come back, but half way through the game, have them taken out by another evil team who turns out to be the real main threat. Of course, there would be mentions of this new evil team, as well as maybe a battle before taking out Team Rocket.

That, in my opinion, would be pretty cool.

dude22072 June 7th, 2010 3:03 PM

i think so and i have a little thing that may say somthing. in HGSS there is a celebii event where celebii takes you 3 years in the future and you battle giovani. in this you cant check the map. could this mean your in a different area like the black and white place?

dieter57 June 7th, 2010 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dude22072 (Post 5862680)
i think so and i have a little thing that may say somthing. in HGSS there is a celebii event where celebii takes you 3 years in the future and you battle giovani. in this you cant check the map. could this mean your in a different area like the black and white place?

when you go back in time the first time you are on route 22 right next to victory road.
when you battle Giovanni you are in a small cavern under neath the tohjo falls.

Lady Gaga June 7th, 2010 5:00 PM

I personally would love to see the Rockets in Black and White, and I think your idea about the guy rebuilding the team could be highly possible.
Oh, and heres an idea for all your Rocket haters. Maybe the grunt could go to Isshu, and start a brand new team, but if you played HG/SS you would still reconize his crazy accent, and maybe he could mention Johto to you in some way...exciting! ;)

Aggron1991 June 7th, 2010 5:49 PM

Hopefully it's Team Rocket and not another retarded, kiddie costume-wearing band of cultists who are trying to harness some legendary Pokemon's power to rebuild the universe...or something preachy like that. >.>

metalflygon08 June 7th, 2010 6:30 PM

Team Rocket is done, that's it end of story, unless these games take place way in the future, and Isshu is in the Russian? part of the PokeEarth, becuase that one Grunt from Cerulean in HGSS did say he would try and bring TR back in his Homecountry, but judging by the 2 dragons, were gonna see ANOTHER R/S/E plotline...

Thunderhead June 7th, 2010 6:53 PM

I don't want to see something re-done.

I'm going to pick up on an idea that my friend told me.

White Team - They are obsessed with order, and want everything in balance
Black Team - They are obsessive with chaos, and want everything out of control.

I know the duel team thing is looked down upon, but this feels like a good idea.

Even if it does bring up the idea of the team being over powered, and close to taking over the world!

Guy June 7th, 2010 7:31 PM

I've gotten the opportunity to defeat Team Rocket in every generation now. Probably just once, would I like not to have to do it again. :\ I don't mind maybe hearing a small reference to Team Rocket somewhere, but beyond that, no thank you. I'm really leaning more to having two evil organizations going for two different things - possibly involving the likes of ying vs. yang, light vs. dark, or a relation to bad luck.

Isshu Region so far has been incorporating a link to the sky, so possibly a plot may revolve around the sky. Eternal light or eternal darkness anyone? Which again, probably hints to having two evil organizations like in the 3rd Gen. I don't see Team Rocket making a return in this game though.

shengar June 7th, 2010 7:44 PM

Team Rocket are main villain in the games, just take it rocket hater. I better see Petrel, ariana, Archer, and Proton rather than so called criminal wearing retarded costume that trying to recreate universe, terraform a land, or maybe control the sky. Until now, Team Rocket cause to do criminal activities are the one that very make sense just as a criminal organization in the real world. They have underground and secret headquarter. Why the hate? tired seeing the same team all over again? I'm tired seeing a villainous team that trying to Play God. Really, can they have much more sense goal to achieve? like taking over Pokemon League or something not trying to Play God?

Eurydice June 7th, 2010 11:52 PM

that is so awesome i have wanted team rocket to return. i noticed that line but it was before the new games were announced so i didnt really think much about it and i forgot about it until just now *crosses fingers* please let team rocket return.

PtRose June 8th, 2010 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red's Charizard (Post 5862105)
Three years later, one Team Rocket operative returned to Kanto to steal a critical part from its Power Plant. Since only this member was involved in this plot, it is likely that he had no knowledge of Team Rocket's prior second disbandment and was working independently. Curiously enough, in HeartGold and SoulSilver, he mentions that he will return to his home country and rebuild Team Rocket anew, something that he did not say in the original games. Team Rocket has not been seen since, but this Grunts's added dialogue in the more recent remakes may hint that Game Freak is not yet finished with Team Rocket's schemes.
[from "Bulbapedia"]
Actually we don't know what really append to TeamRocket, Giovanni or someone else after Johto events, so I think it is really possible.

What do you think? Are you agree?

Actually, there is an event involving Celebi and Giovanni. But still, it is a possibility. Although I think there should be more excitement in the games like the one were you actually pretended to be a grunt...but I wish that was longer and you really got to infiltrate their hideout as a grunt, instead of your rival blowing it off right away.

Sweet Smoochum June 8th, 2010 1:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shengar (Post 5863383)
Team Rocket are main villain in the games, just take it rocket hater. I better see Petrel, ariana, Archer, and Proton rather than so called criminal wearing retarded costume that trying to recreate universe, terraform a land, or maybe control the sky. Until now, Team Rocket cause to do criminal activities are the one that very make sense just as a criminal organization in the real world. They have underground and secret headquarter. Why the hate? tired seeing the same team all over again? I'm tired seeing a villainous team that trying to Play God. Really, can they have much more sense goal to achieve? like taking over Pokemon League or something not trying to Play God?

Thanks for reminding me about the sky theme Issu has going on. Rockets fly in the sky. Team Rocket can make a come back in Issu. The rocket grunt said something about returning to his home country. His home country may be Issu. Maybe Team Rocket wants to control the energy in Issu by either using Reshiram or Zekrom. I can see this happening. ^_^ (I love the Rocket Admins!) I hope they return.

myrrh25 June 8th, 2010 1:34 AM

It'd make sense. That grunt was stealing part of a machine, right? From what we've seen so far, Isshu seems to be quite a technologic place, with electricity and stuff.
Anyone think same?

shengar June 8th, 2010 2:00 AM

Now you two mention it, make me think that the return of team Rocket is most possible. If that happen though, i feel sorry for them to lose to a kid again for the third time.

Lord_Sesshoumaru June 8th, 2010 6:32 AM

this makes sense since it says it all..but probably Game Freak will put Team Rocket in another version...idk

kierany9 June 8th, 2010 6:53 AM

I gotta admit, the new teams suck but if all 4 teams apeared in Isshu, that would be swell. Also, silver being the leader is a good idea.

Mew~ June 8th, 2010 7:07 AM

I remember mentioning about that guy who said he was gonna rebuild team rocket in another thread just like this... :\ Well yeah, I have a feeling its team rocket!

NA3LKER June 8th, 2010 9:09 AM

yeah, i really dont like team galactic. team magma and aqua were a little less worse, as i really like magma's leader, but still not as good a team rocket. there were the best.

Secretstunt24 June 8th, 2010 11:02 PM

Well, I may sound crazy when I say this, but Team Rocket should reappear. I rather miss them. Messing around with magma/aqua got rather annoying, and Galactic's ideas just didn't makes much sense in the end. We need another team that tries to take over the world. I understand it's pokemon, and it can't get too serious or anything, but it shouldn't be a joke. I'm sure they can do better than that.

shengar June 9th, 2010 3:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Secretstunt24 (Post 5866173)
Well, I may sound crazy when I say this, but Team Rocket should reappear. I rather miss them. Messing around with magma/aqua got rather annoying, and Galactic's ideas just didn't makes much sense in the end. We need another team that tries to take over the world. I understand it's pokemon, and it can't get too serious or anything, but it shouldn't be a joke. I'm sure they can do better than that.

In my opinion, Team Rocket is more Persona Centric. The Four Executives say that they stay true to Giovanni intention, which is capturing ultimate pokemon for his need that is yet to be revealed. I hope they keep this if they choose to bring Team Rocket back, not turn them to an Organization that trying to Play God.

Masterge77 June 9th, 2010 6:02 AM

We will not know until the next CoroCoro is leaked, which will probably be tomorrow morning or friday, if not, and nothing is revealed but the legendaries (which I bet will be the only "new Pokemon" in the issue and no others revealed), we will have to wait until next months issue

Either way, would'nt all the members have that silly accent, no, everyone in the region would sound like it, making the game seem like an import from some country in Europe with an unprenouncable name like "Dfasfldorf" or something like that......

Quote:

Originally Posted by PtRose (Post 5863875)
Actually, there is an event involving Celebi and Giovanni. But still, it is a possibility. Although I think there should be more excitement in the games like the one were you actually pretended to be a grunt...but I wish that was longer and you really got to infiltrate their hideout as a grunt, instead of your rival blowing it off right away.

I was dissapointed with that too, after all, it worked in other RPGs, but apparently not Pokemon that's for sure, if only it was like until you got to the director, and Silver was not involved until the sewers......

SpawnHyuuga June 9th, 2010 8:40 AM

Call me an enthusiast for the old or rather, nostalgic; but I would rather see Team Rocket (With Silver in command) in Black and White than see a new team. I only say Silver, because Giovanni "committed suicide" in HG/SS right or so it was assumed....

Besides the man did say in his home country "far far away" right? I believe we've established that Isshu is an immense amount of distance from the other regions....;)

xPsychosocial June 9th, 2010 10:24 AM

It would be cool if they brought Team Rocket back. For some reason a group of people that steal or capture, then sell, rare and strong Pokémon seems to make the story more interesting rather than a group that want to recreate the world or attempting to expand landmass or the amount of water in the world.

I'm a sucker for nostalgia so bringing Team Rocket back seems like an awesome idea, sadly I don't think it'll happen though. =\

Numbers June 9th, 2010 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeta Dimentio (Post 5862679)
Here's how I think it should be, though I bet people will disagree. Have Team Rocket come back, but half way through the game, have them taken out by another evil team who turns out to be the real main threat. Of course, there would be mentions of this new evil team, as well as maybe a battle before taking out Team Rocket.

That, in my opinion, would be pretty cool.

This would be awesome. Having Team Rocket come back to make you think THEY are the main villain (with that grunt from Johto as the temporary leader or something) and then another Team comes in and destroys them (not literally) forcing them out of Isshu. Then maybe near the end you lose to the new teams boss and you think all hope is lost then Team Rocket saves the day. That would be a plot twist and a half ;)

dieter57 June 9th, 2010 11:48 AM

please, no more team rocket...
two teams please like in R/S/E

raekuul June 9th, 2010 6:35 PM

I don't care if it's called Team Rocket or Team Sea-slug or Team Tyler's Van. I want intelligent gangsters with realistic goals, goals that could still be achieved regardless of whether or not I and millions like me interfere in their business. Team Rocket only failed at Silph Corp when they decided that it was the one thing they had to succeed in, and even then it wasn't disbanded until you ousted Giovanni as the leader of both Team Rocket AND Viridian Gym. None of this chasing legends like in Generations 3 and 4. None of this Artificial Evolution Induction crap like in Generation 2. Team Rocket was a mafia, dangit, and I want to see the criminal element act like one for once!

TL;DR: I want the criminal subplot of 5th Gen to feel like it was taken from the Pokemon manga. You know, the one where the Elite Four are in bed with Team Rocket.

MrGriszell June 9th, 2010 7:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiPVoda (Post 5862239)
How many times are we going to have to let Team Rocket come back only to be defeated again? :P

Good idea, though I have another, there could be no team in Isshu (at first). If Rocket is brought back why not include another team (maybe Galactic?) The point can be since yin/yang are forces that are interconnected/dependent on one another in the world Team Rocket & other teams, coming together to form sort of a coalition-team, are the outside force trying to disrupt this yin/yang story of ours (it would work well if Isshu had its modern/natural world connected in a way that didn't harm either). I don't know how I can explain any further but it basically goes along the lines of:

1) Being ran out of their respective regions some members of the old teams run to Isshu (assuming that Hiun definitely is a port city they could come in through it)..
2) They form a coalition and come up with a new name, uniforms, etc. so that no one will recognize them
3) Learning of how Isshu is interconnected and also about the legends (I assume) they seek out to destroy this balance and use it to their advantage.
4) Their actions reak havoc across the region, possibly forcing some rift between the people of Isshu. (You know, you don't know who is apart of the team, just gossip basically)

Maybe my idea sounds dumb >_<...but if Team Rocket is going to be back then IMHO they should have a plan somewhat like this.

No NO NO This is a great idea, i remember reading the Harry potter 5-7 and thats what i liked about them. Every body knew about the death eaters but know one knew who they were really. They should make a team similar to that.

BHwolfgang June 9th, 2010 8:12 PM

If Team Rocket returns for Gen. V, I'd be disappointed. This is a brand-new region, so I was hoping for a new organization as well.

Team Rocket can always be a sub-plot. The idea of Team Rocket in the Isshu region is not such a bad idea, but them as the main organization is not really good either.

MrGriszell June 9th, 2010 8:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BHwolfgang (Post 5868326)
If Team Rocket returns for Gen. V, I'd be disappointed. This is a brand-new region, so I was hoping for a new organization as well.

Team Rocket can always be a sub-plot. The idea of Team Rocket in the Isshu region is not such a bad idea, but them as the main organization is not really good either.

Well what if just Geovanni returned, maybe he would help you like lance, steven and cynthia did. But dont make him champion, Hmm maybe have red make an apperance it would make sense for the champion on Kanto would go some where new. Maybe have a pokemon World cup where champions from around the world come to battle.

I kow its a pokemon game but doese the teams plot have to involve pokemon pokemon and more pokemon. Lets make it realistic maybe have the team going out for the regions political power. I mean you take over the goverment you can do anything you want. Maybe the main character can be a villain in that sense, after you become champion have the team infiltrate the goverment, declare you and your peers enemy of the state. It will be interesting, having lookers police team coming for you only to be a little afraid..why? Because your the champ. Better yet lets have everybody think your bad and the can be a reason for rematches for gym leaders , i mean you see a wanted trainer in your city who are you gonna call? no not ghost busters, but your gym leader.

enderalex June 9th, 2010 10:06 PM

So i have to have 15 posts before i can link to other sites

So yea im doing that


but saying that no more evil teams please :l

Mujahid June 10th, 2010 12:09 AM

What about evil elite 4...like in the manga..that will be interesting !

NatureKeeper June 10th, 2010 2:38 AM

We'll never know until the teams are leaked.

He looks like a foreigner, so his country might be outside the Pokémon Japan, since all the regions speak the same Japanese language, but he is wierd. And the country is Japan, Isshu (based on Honshu, presumably) is a part of Japan unless they really count Isshu based on an area in Russia, now It'd make sense to bring back Team Rocket. But, as of now, until we see Isshu's map at least and see its relations to both Russia and Honshu, we can expect Rockets or not. We cannot be sure bothways. The grunt also may go to the Honshu-based Isshu with his crazy accent and all, and recreate Team
Rocket or create a new team, as Lady Gaga speculated in her post. However, our best bet if we want him to return is for Isshu to be based on Russia.

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Zheeph June 10th, 2010 5:38 AM

I disagree, the theme songs of the teams are always epic win, and I don't want to risk hearing the same song all over again, I want a new badass tune for a new team. What I would like to see is two teams cooperating with each other in a game, like, who knows, team magma getting help from team galactic to change space so there could be more land. Just an Idea.
But I won't be killing my brain thinking about it, I'm sure nintendo will give us a very pleasant suprise like they always do.

Moltres111 June 10th, 2010 6:25 AM

Oh god, please no.

I've had enough of Team Rattata/Zubat for a loooong time. If they are in B/W, there's an even lower chance of me buying it. I'm already considering not buying it because of the horrible view system. :S

I wish they could be more original.

raekuul June 10th, 2010 10:16 AM

RE: Team Rattata/Zubat/ComMons - Absolutely stupid for this to happen. How do you expect to take over [INSERT MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX HERE] that's most definitely going to be extremely well-armed... if all you've got are BB-Guns and Blank Rounds? Likewise, you don't throw your entire force at one target, you keep a large portion in reserve in case some lone renegade decides to go all Rambo on your operation and blow it up in a ridiculously over-the-top manner.

An example of what I would like to see in a Criminal Team in a pokemon game is the criminal rival entry I made for Maci12's Create-A-League. For those not interested in one example, let me give you some others.
  • Stays under the radar as long as possible, and keeps the motives well-hidden from the general public. Example: Team Rocket at Mount Moon had nothing to do with Team Rocket at Silph Co.
  • Knows when to fall back and take a loss, especially if the operation has already succeeded. Example: Mahogany [censored]ing Town. A victory for the protagonists, but it was already considered a success by the Rocket Execs by the time you're breaking in.
  • Takes no unnecessary risks. It's one thing to not expect a random trainer to break into your secret mountain hideout (marked only by one extremely forgetful grunt), it's another thing entirely to not expect random trainers to suspect something when they can't SURF to the next gym because of your training sessions with Wailmers.
  • Plans for the Worst. Cyrus expected something to go wrong at every turn, and planned accordingly. The only thing that came to bite him in the butt was him letting you release the Lake Trio. (Incidentally, this is why you never go anywhere to or from the secret lab, and in fact is why you should have a fake lab as a red herring.) Hibino expects you to meddle starting with the second encounter (although considered it unlikely, now that I re-read it), and already had a plan in place in case you did meddle during the third encounter.
  • Has a reason for being a criminal, outside of Power and Glory. Magma wanted to expand the land, creating more places for people to live and therefore promoting urban expansion; Aqua wanted to expand the sea, creating more places for nature to thrive (sort of) and therefore promoting urban efficiency. Both had a purpose beyond "Remake the world so that I rule it somehow."
  • They may be criminals, but they were trainers before that. They have families. At one point, they had great trust that their Pokemon would see them through anything, and in return their Pokemon trusted them to guide, lead, teach, and protect. Giovanni, Archie, and Maxie all remembered this in the end of their subplots.

Kidef June 10th, 2010 10:18 AM

They have to put team rocket !! They are a lot more famous !! They are better than everybody !!!!

Mujahid June 10th, 2010 10:26 AM

team rocket ?!...no way ...they've been in 11 games !!!...while others have been in only 3...seriously we need a new team

PiPVoda June 10th, 2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mujahid (Post 5868737)
What about evil elite 4...like in the manga..that will be interesting !

An evil elite 4 that helps the antaganist team in black and white?

Bluemoon June 10th, 2010 11:07 AM

Team rocket might once again be rebuilt in Isshu region... besides Isshu region is faraway from the 4 other regions purfect for recreating them.... I hope giovanni would be back... and also Blue should return as a commander of team rocket.....

shot571 June 10th, 2010 11:22 AM

How about a team of scientists who control a bunch of pokemon and use them as grunts instead of normal grunts. So you battle the pokemon and maybe they could be in packs or something. lol na scratch that, that idea sucks. i prefer the one with the evil e4. so instead of battling the league you could be somewhere else and battling the e4 members as the teams leaders in places like a forest. hard to explain :s. but you would be battling the e4 and the team members at the same time if that makes sense. then after you have beaten them the champion comes and congratulates you and tells you that she/he would love to battle you. so you have a battle in forest. ok maybe that ideas bad as well but its hard to explain. i can think of it but not explain it. Plus the thing i dont like about the e4 is the damn building. so boring.

raekuul June 10th, 2010 11:26 AM

Um, no. Blue's the leader of Viridian Gym, he's got responsibilities in Kanto. Besides, he may have been a stuck-up jerk, but he's no villain.

Droidz June 10th, 2010 4:53 PM

Its a pretty good idea. I'd like to see it happen.

Pokedigi7 June 10th, 2010 9:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mujahid (Post 5868737)
What about evil elite 4...like in the manga..that will be interesting !

Actually that could work out! Like you battle the elite 4 and the champion happens to be the leader! then you'd have saved the world and beat the elite four..

Mujahid June 11th, 2010 1:50 AM

Yeah...i always liked the evil gym leaders and elite fours in pokemon adventures...It will be kinda fun if they do something like that

Masterge77 June 11th, 2010 3:56 AM

WHen did we start talking about the Pokemon Special Elite Four, yeah, they were kinda like the Akatsuki of Pokemon, except they did not want a Ninetales.......

Either way, if Team Rocket were to come back in B/W, they would be under a new leader, not this executive crap like in Gen 2, but a new, full fledged mastermind that wishes to use the legendaries to rule the world (hmm, sounds more like the other evil teams to me)

Haza June 11th, 2010 4:19 AM

The rumored team is Team Plasma... which sounds totally lame.

Red's Charizard June 11th, 2010 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmarizer (Post 5862186)
i dont think so. They act like this game is going to be totally new, and having team rocket would be to similar to gen1 and 2. mabye they want you to think its going to be team rocket to surprise you with another team.

nono i intend that this item unlock an event in HG&SS after you make something with B&W

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Smoochum (Post 5863906)
Thanks for reminding me about the sky theme Issu has going on. Rockets fly in the sky. Team Rocket can make a come back in Issu. The rocket grunt said something about returning to his home country. His home country may be Issu. Maybe Team Rocket wants to control the energy in Issu by either using Reshiram or Zekrom. I can see this happening. ^_^ (I love the Rocket Admins!) I hope they return.

completly agree (y), but the machine part was in gen2 too

kinu June 12th, 2010 5:46 AM

I would love to see team rocket
Team Aqua "lets control Kyroge and expand the sea"
Team Magma "lets get Groudun and expand earth"
Team Galactic "lets controll space and time and reshape the universe
Team Rocket "lets use top scientiest to work underground and create the most powerfull pokemon ever while we act as a gang and rob people and try to controll kanto and jhoto and not a cult bent on world domination"

hiyaa June 12th, 2010 9:49 AM

I hope Team Rocket makes a return but is involved more in the Plot. Maybe have an event where you watch them abducting someone's pokemon, in the start and have Team Rocket raising it to be their most powerful pokemon and you have to stop them etc. Just a thought :)

Linus3010 June 12th, 2010 9:54 AM

how about introducing harry potter on pokemon white as the evil team ?xD

umbreon_4_life June 12th, 2010 12:31 PM

Oh God, please no Team Rocket. I like them and all, but I think we had enough of them for now. I think they should just make a new team. New region, new evil team. Makes sense, right?

>Feelings< June 13th, 2010 6:16 AM

Nah, he was just saying that because he needed to say something as a comeback, that's all.
He was really not the potential Team Rocket reviver, so I don't even see a chance.

Besides, I'm pretty sure the new team will be Team Plasma.

JAK3 June 13th, 2010 6:29 AM

It's a possibility that this could happen, but I think they should be creative and just make a new team. :)

Lelouch vi Britannia June 13th, 2010 6:45 AM

I don't want to face Team Rocket again. I already see too many Zubats in the caves so I don't want any excess.

cystar June 13th, 2010 8:49 AM

I bet thjere is two teams the main team and then team rockett

dieter57 June 13th, 2010 9:25 AM

two teams.
yin and yang.
and if i'm wrong i will eat a vileplume

SodeNoZangetsu June 13th, 2010 9:25 AM

I'd like to see Team Rocket return and just have them be totally re-vamped. Since this is Gen. V they won't have to use Rattatas and Zubats anymore. The Grunts should be stronger and trade in their Rattatas/Raticates and Zubats/Golbats for different, stronger Pokemon--possibly from Gen. V itself. I'm tired of seeing them use the same Pokemon over and over again as well, but I think if they just used a variety of Pokemon, they'd be okay.

I never liked how Geodudes, Machops, Rattatas, etc. always kept appearing no matter what generation you were in. I think in V they should keep these Pokemon to a minimum. I'm not saying NO previous generation Pokemon, but perhaps we can have Sentrets instead of Rattatas or something.

I also like the idea of Silver being the leader as well. He seems a good candidate for such a position--although by the end of HG/SS he seemed to be getting a heart towards his Pokemon.

Also, what about bringing Jessie and James back? This may be a horrible idea, but I'm still going to say it. I absolutely hate how they've become comic relief in the anime. Perhaps they get tired of being defeated by Invincible Ash and leave for a completely new start in Isshu. With no Ash around they become perhaps second in command to Silver? They were in Yellow and I loved seeing them. They're my favorite characters all around and I'd love to see them be a potential threat rather than the laughing stock they've been reduced to... -.-

§acred†Beo! June 13th, 2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SodeNoZangetsu (Post 5878305)
I'd like to see Team Rocket return and just have them be totally re-vamped. Since this is Gen. V they won't have to use Rattatas and Zubats anymore. The Grunts should be stronger and trade in their Rattatas/Raticates and Zubats/Golbats for different, stronger Pokemon--possibly from Gen. V itself. I'm tired of seeing them use the same Pokemon over and over again as well, but I think if they just used a variety of Pokemon, they'd be okay. -

I agree with this, although I don't think Team Rocket should be the main team. I think they should have a major role in the storyline but not be revealed until almost the very end of the of the game.

Iqid Loopz June 13th, 2010 10:54 AM

That would be pretty cool, but for som reason I always thought is Rocket came back, with some rising grunts from Magma and Aqua comes back and try to do there plan, Team Galatics red haired docter escapes from prison, brinsg back the team. That would be like Rocket vs Magma vs Aqua vs Galactic vs You. But if they dont do that and come up with a new team i wish it could be like Team Elite vs Team Gym, A few Elite from Pokemon leagues wants power and world domination, and a few Gym leaders want to be Elites and power OR!! your rival becomes the leader of the next evil team..IDK I wish i had fairy odd parents to make this real. ROFL!

EDIT - OR!!!! They can bring back Jesse and Jame and Meowth as new team leaders or rivals

cobraman228 June 13th, 2010 11:06 AM

No, no Team Rocket please.

They're such attention hogs, they got into Gen. I, II, III, AND IV and since Gen. V is going to be something completely different (I hope) I'd say some other, more AWESOME team. Maybe Team Moon, or Sun, but no Team Rocket please.

IcyArceusRider June 13th, 2010 12:46 PM

That would STINK if Team Rocket was the evil team in Black and White.

I mean, seriously? New generation, new pokemon, new region, new team plz. We've been Team Rocketed to death already. I understand what you're saying, and you do have a point about the grunt's dialogue in previous games. But I really don't like the whole idea of Team Rocket being the evil team.....AGAIN. Let's get a new one in there and make them cooler and make them a better evil team than Team Rocket. That's what I'd like to see. ^.^

Dr.Garrison June 13th, 2010 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_has_formed (Post 5862131)
please no more team rocket... please be original and create a new team!

Team Aqua and Magma we're a pretty sweet idea. I think if they went with that root again it'd be cool.
(Glad to be back!!! haha)

sabapple June 13th, 2010 2:10 PM

I hope that there's no Team Rocket in B/W I mean really, we just had them in HG/SS! Bring on some new evil team please!

cystar June 13th, 2010 6:11 PM

Like i said i wont mind it if they just have a small role and arnt the majior team and there is anihter major team but id be mad if there the onbly team in B.W

rocky505 June 13th, 2010 6:24 PM

God I do not want TR again >:( We have had them too much.

cystar June 13th, 2010 6:31 PM

The more i read these comments the more i want to change my mind and agree that i dont want team rockett

SodeNoZangetsu June 13th, 2010 6:35 PM

Where was Team Rocket in gen. III? By saying that do you mean Ruby and Sapphire? I don't remember them being in R/S/E...

rocky505 June 13th, 2010 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SodeNoZangetsu (Post 5879661)
Where was Team Rocket in gen. III? By saying that do you mean Ruby and Sapphire? I don't remember them being in R/S/E...

FRLG. Team rocket has been in all gens (counting remakes)

Omicron June 13th, 2010 6:44 PM

It'd be cool that they took the leaders from all the other evil organizations, made them executives and put them under the command of a new, more evil leader.

pkmn.master June 13th, 2010 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SodeNoZangetsu (Post 5878305)
I'd like to see Team Rocket return and just have them be totally re-vamped. Since this is Gen. V they won't have to use Rattatas and Zubats anymore. The Grunts should be stronger and trade in their Rattatas/Raticates and Zubats/Golbats for different, stronger Pokemon--possibly from Gen. V itself. I'm tired of seeing them use the same Pokemon over and over again as well, but I think if they just used a variety of Pokemon, they'd be okay.

I never liked how Geodudes, Machops, Rattatas, etc. always kept appearing no matter what generation you were in. I think in V they should keep these Pokemon to a minimum. I'm not saying NO previous generation Pokemon, but perhaps we can have Sentrets instead of Rattatas or something.

I also like the idea of Silver being the leader as well. He seems a good candidate for such a position--although by the end of HG/SS he seemed to be getting a heart towards his Pokemon.

Also, what about bringing Jessie and James back? This may be a horrible idea, but I'm still going to say it. I absolutely hate how they've become comic relief in the anime. Perhaps they get tired of being defeated by Invincible Ash and leave for a completely new start in Isshu. With no Ash around they become perhaps second in command to Silver? They were in Yellow and I loved seeing them. They're my favorite characters all around and I'd love to see them be a potential threat rather than the laughing stock they've been reduced to... -.-

I wouldn't want to see Team Rocket again. The have tried to take over the world way too many times. I wound like a team that is actually tough. This counts Zubats out.

>Feelings< June 13th, 2010 7:17 PM

I'm pretty sure Team Rocket won't be there like I said before, but I also want to believe that there will be two evil organizations this time around.
But from what it sounds like there might only be one team, maybe Team Plasma, and that's it...

SodeNoZangetsu June 13th, 2010 7:21 PM

Well all I have to say now is that no matter who the evil organization is, I pray they're better and cooler than Team Galactic. I thought they were just sad and looked retarded with their green hair and the way it was styled.

Lord Varion June 14th, 2010 2:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Red's Charizard (Post 5862148)
sorry if there just a post :P

new uniform...great idea (y)


Nice to see you agree

But They could use team rocket
and they could have a second team going against team rocket

Masterge77 June 14th, 2010 4:24 AM

Dissapointed that this months CoroCoro did not reveal the villian team, we only have 30 days until the next issue leaks......

.....Or at least until the official site updates

Åzurε June 14th, 2010 7:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SodeNoZangetsu (Post 5879802)
Well all I have to say now is that no matter who the evil organization is, I pray they're better and cooler than Team Galactic. I thought they were just sad and looked retarded with their green hair and the way it was styled.

C'mon, don't hate on the bowl cuts. I loved those guys.

You know something? If we were going for Yin-Yang symbolism, Team Rocket would be the way to go. Think for a second: Grunt returns to Isshu, rebuilds TR so there's one half of our symbol. Giovanni returns as a good guy (I really think Giovanni should be a good guy if he returns, or at least an anti-villain) with a couple cohorts that found him across the past couple years and sees the state of things, and begins fighting them off and rebuilding TR based off what he wants. And there's the little spot. Also, grunts wear black and executives tend to wear white.

Anyhow, It'd be pretty cool, but right now I have a bad case of insufficient data. Moar exposition!

Dragonika June 14th, 2010 7:38 AM

Well im sure i herd off a source that its team plasma takeing the main villain role in the black and white titles. :)

Illustration June 14th, 2010 12:19 PM

Don't they need some rest for causing all that trouble in the past four generations?

Anyway, I had enough of Team Rocket. I beg for a new evil organization.

[email protected]! June 14th, 2010 1:21 PM

Team Yin- We wants the Zekrom!
Team Yang- We needs the Reshiram!

It could work people...

Sleet June 14th, 2010 2:30 PM

Id hope for no more Team Rocket, Unless they were totally revamped and had different pokemon

~Chiramii~ June 14th, 2010 2:35 PM

Hmm...
I agree.
It could be that Rocket Grunt's Home Country.
And he could rebuild T.R.

Maybe he's going to rename the team.

To like Team Black & Team White. Or Team Dark & Team Light. Or something like that.


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