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RR☆Oresama June 9th, 2010 9:58 AM

Giovanni's fate..?
 
Some say he jumped for it and committed suicide. Some say he's bound on a boat/plane to Isshu and is going to be involved in the affairs of an evil team. Some say he just went back into hiding again, hitting another low point.

What do you guys make of that splash noise when the former boss of Team Rocket left Tohjo Falls? What effect do you guys think this could have on Silver if he appears in another game?

Discussion, START UP!

redsaber5859 June 9th, 2010 10:17 AM

he got on a plane to FAILED LEADERS land

LethalTexture June 9th, 2010 11:11 AM

Well, do we actually know what he says once you defeat him? That may help.

shookie June 9th, 2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 5867244)
Well, do we actually know what he says once you defeat him? That may help.

From watching a video with the encounter:
"How is this possible? The past three years have been a waste...? How can a kid like you manage to destroy my dream once again? The precious dream of Team Rocket has become little more than an illusion..."

I don't think it's a splash, I think it's radio static. People have theorized that it's a gun shot or a car starting or him jumping into the falls...I'm not saying it doesn't make sense for him to commit suicide or whatever, I think it's just a little too dark for Pokémon. It's a game targeted towards a younger generation, I highly doubt they'd integrate an NPC's suicide into the storyline.

LeeBee June 9th, 2010 11:29 AM

I doubt that they would include suicide in Pokemon. It's more than likely a Car starting up, or perhaps a helicopter..? Something dramatic, but it's definitely not Suicide.

LethalTexture June 9th, 2010 11:30 AM

Hmm, I'd never seen it in English before, but I don't recall hearing that sound when I watched it in Japanese before the game's release. I'm still unsure at to what it is, but to me it does sound like water and not radio static. Whether he commits suicide or whether he is just making his escape is unclear.

Thorns June 9th, 2010 11:34 AM

It sounds very random and doesn't sound like a splash at all, and the radio is definately not that loud.

So i think it's some vehicle outside.

The Corrupt Plague June 9th, 2010 11:40 AM

PMD2 alone shows that Nintendo and Gamefreak aren't afraid of putting this kind of stuff in. We got to see an attempted execution in that game. I also forgot to mention that in your quest to save the timeline, you are committing mass murder by shunting yourself, Grovyle, Dusknoir, and the rest of the bad future's inhabitants out of existence and it took intervention from a "higher power" at the last moment to bring everyone back in.

Sneeze June 9th, 2010 12:32 PM

He's retired to the remote rainforest where he spends days on end trying to "find himself". So far he's only found Spinerak and Venomoth.

austin00081 June 9th, 2010 2:07 PM

It could possibly be a car from Isshu coming to pick him up, or his mom, or it could just be the sound from when you exit a cave

bobandbill June 9th, 2010 5:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Corrupt Plague (Post 5867316)
PMD2 alone shows that Nintendo and Gamefreak aren't afraid of putting this kind of stuff in. We got to see an attempted execution in that game. I also forgot to mention that in your quest to save the timeline, you are committing mass murder by shunting yourself, Grovyle, Dusknoir, and the rest of the bad future's inhabitants out of existence and it took intervention from a "higher power" at the last moment to bring everyone back in.

Except that Nintendo do not make any of the games and Game Freak has naught to do with any spin-offs like Colo/XD (which was a so-called 'darker' Pokemon game) and the MD series - compltely different companies... so this doesn't man that Game Freak are necessarily into it themselves. =p

The sound is.... interesting. Of course though - even if it is a splash it doesn't mean it is him committing suicide - maybe he decided to swim for it? The sound does occur when the radio broadcast dialogue starts up again as well so that kinda suggests it's bad radio static as well.
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He's retired to the remote rainforest where he spends days on end trying to "find himself". So far he's only found Spinerak and Venomoth
I quite like this theory. XD

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ June 10th, 2010 6:47 AM

According to my old fan fiction, he reformed (in fact, HG/SS completely destroyed his storyline by making him want to return to a life of crime).

As for what happened to him in game-canon, I'm going to have to say he now runs a motel by the interstate moves to some other region and tries to become the Ground-type Gym Leader there.

RYOUKI June 10th, 2010 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Corrupt Plague (Post 5867316)
PMD2 alone shows that Nintendo and Gamefreak aren't afraid of putting this kind of stuff in. We got to see an attempted execution in that game. I also forgot to mention that in your quest to save the timeline, you are committing mass murder by shunting yourself, Grovyle, Dusknoir, and the rest of the bad future's inhabitants out of existence and it took intervention from a "higher power" at the last moment to bring everyone back in.

That's because there's a happy ending in these games. See? They survived (atleast the player does) but still, you survived.

I think it was just a vehicle starting up. Maybe he'll make a cameo in B/W but I doubt it. I think he's one of those disappearing people. Kinda like the girl trainer in FR/LG. Wait, didn't he did the same thing in FR/LG? Spin around and disappear? (Left something for you too. ; D)

LethalTexture June 10th, 2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RYOUKI (Post 5870392)
That's because there's a happy ending in these games. See? They survived (atleast the player does) but still, you survived.

I think it was just a vehicle starting up. Maybe he'll make a cameo in B/W but I doubt it. I think he's one of those disappearing people. Kinda like the girl trainer in FR/LG. Wait, didn't he did the same thing in FR/LG? Spin around and disappear? (Left something for you too. ; D)

To be fair, Leaf didn't disappear in FR/LG. Red being the player character was always canon.

Eurydice June 10th, 2010 11:47 PM

i think its more of a motor of either a car or a helicopter. i dont think giovanni is the type of person who would commit suicide.

ShiShi June 11th, 2010 5:39 AM

He didn't kill himself- he leapt into an invisible helicopter and escaped (or he used those magical powers of teleportation he seems to have in FR/LG). Now he spends his days chilling on the beach of a tropical island, drinking fruity beverages and working on his tan while trying to come up with a way to bring back Team Rocket.

... At least, that's my theory.

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He's retired to the remote rainforest where he spends days on end trying to "find himself". So far he's only found Spinerak and Venomoth
But I also like this idea lol

XxRogueTrainerxX June 11th, 2010 12:31 PM

My theory: He hijacked a Dragonite (somehow) and flew to Africa where he began doing humanitarian work. Scientists are baffled as to how he turned himself 3-D and how he traveled there from a make-believe land.

Trap-Eds June 11th, 2010 1:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pExn-S7WduQ&annotation_id=annotation_953483&feature=iv

5: 19: I thought that sound was radio static. And how do we know they're at Tojo Falls in the first place?

(5:02: how can you send money to MOM if you're in the past??)

Nearsighted king of Ice June 13th, 2010 12:39 AM

He probably RAn away and created a new evil plan maybe more diabolical than creating then most powerful pokemon he'll probably make the strongest pokemon the destroy and re-creat the universe then he'll expand land mass and bodies of water

Tanaki June 13th, 2010 2:46 AM

To me, it's one of those great mysteries in pokemon. Like why Red hasn't been home in 3 years and somehow happens to have the most dusty and abandoned room and a WII!!!

Nikorasu June 13th, 2010 8:30 AM

Hmm... Giovanni would not give up that easily.
He had gotten so close so many times...

He says team rocket was just an illusion so maybe he made a new team? D:

Arc June 13th, 2010 8:47 AM

I'm saying he is not dead. Since the Hideout he was at is in Tojho Falls. The splash sound is probably just him jumping in the water and swimming out of the cave.

Dominus Temporis June 13th, 2010 9:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikorasu (Post 5878159)
He says team rocket was just an illusion so maybe he made a new team? D:

Yeah, I could see him deciding the Rockets aren't worth it and starting a new group instead. After all, Team Rocket is pretty incompetent... stealing Dig TMs and cutting tails off Slowpoke? And the teams the admins use aren't that great... a bunch of Koffing, Petrel? Okay then.

See, the way I look at it is, Giovanni is an incredibly popular character. He may well be the most popular villain in Pokemon, so why would they kill him off so unceremoniously? The player's friend doesn't even make that big a deal of it, I'd think they would have more of a reaction if he was drowning down there.

Also, he and Cyrus need to meet. Giovanni wants to take over the world. Cyrus wants to destroy the world. Yeah, that's gonna lead to some villain conflict. Bring 'em both back, set 'em against each other. Grab popcorn and enjoy.

comfortingsounds June 14th, 2010 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurydice (Post 5871187)
i think its more of a motor of either a car or a helicopter. i dont think giovanni is the type of person who would commit suicide.

Yeah, I agree with this. Giovanni wouldn't commit suicide. I usually see him get around in helicopters, so he probably got in a helicopter.

Blackhebrew2 June 14th, 2010 3:17 PM

hmmm, its kinda cool that pokemon has little stories that may have went the course of time withot ever being discovered. I honestly dont believe he killed himself,because as said before its Pokemon,not Gears of War!

I think he could have went surfing away or got a helicopter ride home,all I know is that noise scared the crap out of me.

P.S You should see the Arceus event in HG/SS that stuff is crazy, no seriously guys lets just say the producers probally got influances by an "outside source" if you know what I mean.


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