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Circuit June 10th, 2010 11:31 AM

[YGO] Dragons FTW!
 
Well, I am going for a 'Lockdown' Dragon Deck. I would like it evaluated, because I would like to be able to beat a Black-Wing deck, that is very good atm. Here it is as it stands;

Total: 40
Monsters: 24
3x Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
3x White Night Dragon
3x Blizzard Dragon
3x Exploder Dragon
2x Totem Dragon
2x Koa'ki Meiru Drago
2x Ryko Lightsworn Hunter
2x Horus lv4
2x Horus lv6
2x Horus lv8


Spells: 10
1x Swords of Revealing Light
1x Heavy Storm
1x Future Fusion
2x Book of Moon
2x Trade-In
2x Dragon's Mirror
1x Burial from a different dimension


Traps: 6
1x Call of the Haunted
1x Solemn Judgement
1x Mirror Force
1x D Prison
1x Torrential Tribute

1x Return from the different dimension

Side Deck:
2x Tuner's Scheme
1x Dark Mirror Force


Captain Fabio June 10th, 2010 6:05 PM

There is no real theme to it to make it be able to stand up to BW.
You need to run with a certain theme if you want to beat a T1 deck.

Most of those cards are pointless in the meta game of today, so I would consider starting from scratch.

I have played YGO for years and years and that deck would have held its own a few years ago, but now is a different story.

Apple Juice June 11th, 2010 2:11 AM

Right now Blackwings has dropped in popularity (and X-Sabers have rised), and they are anti-meta now, so this might be okay, but like Fabio said, this deck is just Dragons. It has no "startegy", nothing of the sort. I suggest buying a Structure Deck (Rise of the Dragon Lords) and playing with that. It has many of the needed dragons to perfect a dragon deck. Back to BWs. If you want to beat them, I suggest trying to make a good X-Saber deck, but that's currently extremely expensive... And you sound like BWs are such a hard thing to beat, but that is def. not true. Trust me. ;)

On your current deck, it's too mixed up to be much good, too many monsters, too many high-level monsters, and too little spells/traps to balance it out. Try adding some dragon-related spells/traps and taking out crappy monsters that you put it just because they were dragon type. (When I started YGO I always did that XD)

Hope this helped! By the way, BWs are not T1 anymore.

Circuit June 14th, 2010 11:36 AM

Ok. So what do you recon I should add to it? I have modified it, updates posted above, and will update agin, if anyone makes suggestions. Thanks again for all comments.

Apple Juice June 15th, 2010 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Firestar* (Post 5869566)
Well, I have here, a Dragon deck. I had it made by a friend, then reconstucted it. I would like it evaluated, because I would like to be able to beat a Black-Wing deck, that is very good atm. Here it is;

Total - 43
Armed Dragon lv10
Blue-Eyes White Dragon x3 -3
Montage Dragon
Armed Dragon lv7
Prime Material Dragon x2 -1
Armed Dragon lv5
Mirage Dragon
Lord of D. -1
Vanguard of the Dragon
Paladin of white Dragon -1
Dandylion (if this works keep it, not sure atm)
Masked Dragon x2 +1
Magna Drago x2
Dread Dragon x3
Spore -1
The White Stone of Legend -1
White Dragon Ritual -1
Polymerization
Swords of Revealing Light
Heavy Storm
Sakuretsu Armor x2 -1
Compulsory Evacuation Device x2
Scrap-Iron Scarecrow
Bottomless Trap Hole
Magical Cylinders -1
Call of the Haunted x2
The Selection -1
Solemn Judgement
Judgement of Anubis -1
Mirror Force
Draining Sheild -1
Proof of Powerlessness -1

Extra Deck
Total - 8
Black Rose Dragon
Ancient Fairy Dragon
Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon -1
Trident Dragion
A.O.J Katastor
Stardust Dragon
Red Dragon Archfiend
Black-Winged Dragon -1

That's it. Any Comments and Critisism (not harsh though) is welcome. Thank you!

So, this is what I have so far. I mean, dragons have so many good cards, and you didn't mention what TYPE of dragon deck you are using, I couldn't do much. Anyways, I suggest you choose a type of dragon deck to run before anything else. Go here for possibilites. I hope this helped.

Good luck, and happy dueling to you sir!

Circuit June 15th, 2010 10:13 AM

I have redecided to do a 'Lockdown' Dragon Deck. Any advice on this deck is gratefully accepted. Updates above.

Apple Juice June 16th, 2010 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Firestar* (Post 5869566)
Well, I am going for a 'Lockdown' Dragon Deck. I would like it evaluated, because I would like to be able to beat a Black-Wing deck, i just have to say that BWs are falling down the metagame; in fact they are barely Tier 1.5, let alone T1. You should be worrying about GBs, Frog Monarchs, Machina, etc. the only good BW deck atm is anti-meta. that is very good atm. Here it is as it stands;

Prime Material Dragon x2
Lord of D. x2
Dandylion x2 if this dosent work do 1
Magna Drago x2
Dread Dragon x3
+1 Gorz/Tragoedia
+1 Spirit Reaper

Swords of Revealing Light
Heavy Storm
+1 Mystical Space Typhoon
+1 Brain Control

Sakuretsu Armor -1
+1 Torrential Tribute
+1 Trap Dustshoot
Compulsory Evacuation Device x2 -1
Scrap-Iron Scarecrow test this out
Bottomless Trap Hole +1
Call of the Haunted test this out
Solemn Judgement
Mirror Force

Extra Deck

Total -
King Dragun
Black Rose Dragon
Ancient Fairy Dragon
Trident Dragion
A.O.J Katastor
Stardust Dragon
Red Dragon Archfiend
Black-Winged Dragon



I put in a few personal preferences so you might want to test some of them out, as well as the ones I said to test out. It looks MUCH better than the last build, and this build looks very solid. Good job editting, and I hope this helps!

Eon-Rider June 16th, 2010 5:42 AM

I believe you need at least one copy of Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon.

Circuit June 17th, 2010 12:55 PM

I have just updated the Deck again with improvments suggested. Thank you Apple Juice and Eon-Rider for your comments, they are exremely helpful. I have added The Blue-Eyes' because I have a connection with those cards more than anything else and would like to keep them. I however cannot decide between Future Fusion or Dragon's Mirror the the Fusion 'ability', if you will, card. Help here is much apreciated, again, and further help is very appreciated.

Thanks once again!

Apple Juice June 17th, 2010 11:15 PM

I actually think that either one is good, but don't take my word for it. Just read the cards and see which one fits best into your deck. Trust me, it works. ;D

Nice build, and I would love to duel it sometime!

Circuit June 18th, 2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apple Juice (Post 5890828)
I actually think that either one is good, but don't take my word for it. Just read the cards and see which one fits best into your deck. Trust me, it works. ;D

Nice build, and I would love to duel it sometime!

Thank you so much Apple Juice. You have been a great help! I would love to duel you with it some time (if that were possible :( ) I will add a couple more cards to take it up to fourty. And it should be a much improved deck.

Apple Juice June 19th, 2010 3:52 AM

No problem! (there is a way actually, if you're seriously interested PM me)

Great! Question: Do you have the cards in the build irl?

Circuit June 19th, 2010 2:25 PM

Pretty much, there are just a few I currently need to get, but that shouldn't be hard. Why?

Eternal Nightmare June 19th, 2010 3:49 PM

Omg yes this is shaping up nicely :D. Dragons are a threat when used properly.

But what about cards like Stamping Destruction and Flute of Summoning Dragon...but maybe that's me xD. But yeah like I said its looking great and like Apple Juice up there I wouldn't mind getting stomped in dueling it against my Gemini's :D.

Cirrus June 20th, 2010 1:18 PM

Dragons?

King Dragun is... far too slow. Basically the only fusion engine you're going to run EVER is Future Fusion, and maybe a copy of Dragon's Mirror as well. Never play so many copies of Lord of D. and Ragnarok - seriously, they're really bad.

:(

The power of Dragons lies in the fact that they do everything quite well.

Trade-In and Cards of Consonance draw you cards in an effective fashion. Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon swarms like no tomorrow, aided by Red-Eyes Wyvern. Super Rejuvenation is hilarious and effective when you Trade-In the Blue-Eyes White Dragon that you got by playing Cards of Consonance and discarding White Stone of Legend. Dragons combo well; they have Light and Darkness Dragon for field control, Exploder Dragon for spot removal, and Debris Dragon for synchro power alongside Decoy Dragon for pulling out random things in grave (or at the very least, being a great wall). Totem Dragon is excellent tribute fodder, a prime target for.. well, anything in the deck. Masked Dragon grabs it.

Dragons are good.

Gorz and Tragoedia aren't good in Dragons. They may seem like all-purpose cards to slap in, but they're slowpokes that don't do as much good as other cards can.

Cut all copies of Compulsory, as well as Scrap-Iron.

Lockmaster24 July 4th, 2010 10:46 PM

i don't see Five-headed Dragon it is a 5k beat stick and with darkness metal you can bring the fusion materials back (if polyed).

I run a Blue-eyes deck and Five-headed dragon is my only fusion... oh and add future fusion.

also what about totem dragons.

Circuit July 5th, 2010 12:30 PM

New Update. Hopefully, that should be better now.

revelp8 July 5th, 2010 4:34 PM

personally, assault modes should be outed, they have their own deck AND don't work well when you don't have many tuners or support for AM, they're dead draws pretty much.

don't really understand black winged dragon's effect and as to why you have it in your build :T

ADD trade-in definitely, when you can't tribute/special summon a lvl 8, it'll recycle for 5-headed dragon and or spam with REDMD effect.

and if its lockdown, where's the lockdown dragon? Blizzard dragon is a must and staple for dragons, lvl 4 1800 with an awesome ability to prevent your opponent's monster from attacking. same with tyrant dragon, negates trap cards that target it ie bottomless, sakuretsu etc. 2900 beastly atk, and can atk more than once.

Cirrus July 5th, 2010 5:33 PM

A Hopeless/Disaster Dragon hybrid should function well.

Sample decklist:

Monsters - 22
3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
1 Light and Darkness Dragon
1 Prime Material Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Wyvern
2 Exploder Dragon
2 Koa’ki Meiru Drago
2 Masked Dragon
2 The White Stone of Legend
2 Totem Dragon
1 Debris Dragon

Spells - 14
3 Trade-In
2 Book of Moon
2 Gold Sarcophagus
1 Brain Control
1 Burial from a Different Dimension
1 Future Fusion
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mind Control
1 My Body as a Shield
1 Mystical Space Typhoon

Traps - 6
2 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Mirror Force
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Trap Stun

Lockmaster24 July 5th, 2010 8:20 PM

make the assult modes wyverns and add future fusion. Future fusion is a must in any dragon deck. and if you want lockdown horus wont stray to far

Circuit July 8th, 2010 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cirrus (Post 5940439)
A Hopeless/Disaster Dragon hybrid should function well.

Sample decklist:

Monsters - 22
3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
1 Light and Darkness Dragon
1 Prime Material Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Wyvern
2 Exploder Dragon
2 Koa’ki Meiru Drago
2 Masked Dragon
2 The White Stone of Legend
2 Totem Dragon
1 Debris Dragon

Spells - 14
3 Trade-In
2 Book of Moon
2 Gold Sarcophagus
1 Brain Control
1 Burial from a Different Dimension
1 Future Fusion
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mind Control
1 My Body as a Shield
1 Mystical Space Typhoon

Traps - 6
2 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Mirror Force
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Trap Stun

I'm affraid I'm looking for a Lockdown deck, not a Hopeless/Disaster Hybrid Deck.

Cirrus July 8th, 2010 4:54 PM

Dragons don't play lockdown. They play beatdown.

Unless you want a deck based on Stardust/AM, which is a WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. :x Then it's not really "lockdown"... it's just Stardust Assault Mode Synchro Spam.

revelp8 July 8th, 2010 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cirrus (Post 5949555)
Dragons don't play lockdown. They play beatdown.

Unless you want a deck based on Stardust/AM, which is a WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. :x Then it's not really "lockdown"... it's just Stardust Assault Mode Synchro Spam.

he's right with that statement, dragons are beatdown kind of play.

Its going to be a completely different deck if you wanna play lockdown that doesn't involve archlord krysta, namely Horus and Blizzard dragon, correct me if im wrong, those are the only 2 off the top of my head that locks the opponent down, other than usual stardust negation.

Circuit July 9th, 2010 9:27 AM

Well, my deck has been pretty good at negation, and yes, dragons do do lockdown. They invole PMD, Stardust Assault Mode, and the Horus Lockdown. But the Horus Combo is a bit too expensive for me right now, so that's why it isn't there. I got my theme here, but it kind of has a half beatdown element to it, based on the powerful cards I can obtain through REDMD.

Cirrus July 9th, 2010 2:44 PM

Prime Material Dragon doesn't lock. Does My Body As A Shield lock? No, it prevents your guys dying to stuff. Prime Material's function is much the same; it protects your more powerful monsters from tricks such as Bottomless, Mirror Force, and Torrential. Half the decks on YuGiOh Wikia are pretty bad, so Idunno... fusing a teched Dragon, a very spotlight-grabbing Dragon, and another either teched or spotlight-grabbing Dragon is rather... awkward. If you want to do a pseudo-lock build you might as well do Blizzard Dragon and White Night Dragon focus (Frozen Ray!). Horus is decent, but Horus Lock is silly and not very difficult to break. Ryko was side-decked by 4 out of 5 of the top-ranking Infernities duelists last SJC, and was main-decked by most/all Dandydraw decks. X-Sabers deal with Horus via Faultroll + Gottoms, and you are basically powerless to stop it. Stardust/AM? Not very consistent or good unless you have a deck focused around it. And that deck isn't going to have many Dragons.

Depending on what kind of people you are playing against, your deck is either decent or completely bad. It has no semblance of consistency (Dread Dragon?! DREAD DRAGON?! Blue-Eyes without support?! Lord of D.?! Dandylion in DRAGONS? No Koa'ki Meiru Drago or Totem Dragon or Exploder, the bread and butter of all good Dragon decks? Staples!), has weird tech choices (Tuner's Scheme against Frognarchs or Frog OTK for example), and has subpar cards to boot (Sakuretsu over D-Prison, Draining Shield, Polymerization). It isn't a good deck, unless you're ONLY playing casual.

Of course casually this deck is decent to good. But that's irrelevant.

Circuit July 16th, 2010 1:35 PM

Well, that's it updated, and hopefully a lot better. C&C still gratefully accepted.

Gymnotide July 17th, 2010 12:56 PM

  • I'm a bit concerned with Koa'ki Meiru Drago's effect making Red Eyes Wyvern useless and stopping you from Special Summoning Darkness Metal Dragon.
  • Too many copies of White Night Dragon, though I'm not keen on the card myself. I'm a bit worried about dead draws with the higher levels, so Trade-In might be worth looking into, but also maybe not.
  • Try dropping in a Dragon's Mirror or two. Lighten up the Traps and beef up the Spells. Drop Magic Cylinder for something more useful. Think of using a copy of Burial from a Different Dimension, since a lot of your cards will be removed from play later on. Try Return from the Different Dimension too if you use Dragon's Mirror / a lot of Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon summons.
  • Try splashing a Tuner in there (Plaguespreader? White Stone of Legend?).
  • Wyvern isn't the best card out there, but it's usable. It does, however, limit your summoning and leaves your monster vulnerable for the next turn. Consider dropping him for a different card.
  • A disgusting combo I like to use personally is Future Fusion on three White Stone of Legend, Totem Dragon(s) and / or Red-Eyes Wyvern(s) to get an instant 3 cards in my hand and then removing from play stuff to special Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon... Though, not many people feel the same way about that :P Don't do it though. I was just pointing it out.

Circuit July 18th, 2010 12:37 AM

Updated again. Looking pretty good now. I reckon I still need more help though, so C&C still appreciated.


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