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Volroc June 21st, 2010 7:53 PM

Black & Whites Graphics Flaws& Awes
 
Flaws ive seen:

Since we are in beta stages im not puttin much ground on it, but from what ive seen, the games are HORRIBLY over pixelated...
i know its bigger than the DS screen,but even then....
its pretty choppy& crappy
they seriously need a blur filter cuz the buildings looked unnatural
& the circles were blocky...

Awesomeness:

of course its awesome its in 3D
the fully animated sprites
the desert dunes made my mouth drop
and the bridge sequence was pretty impressive

austin00081 June 21st, 2010 8:20 PM

You can't exactly have PSP graphics on the DS. If you look closely, the DS screen is made up of tiny little squares. Each square has a color, and that's what makes up the graphics. So, you can't exactly hate on the game designers too much, even though, I believe that they COULD improve the graphics, but not by much.
Expect better graphics on the 3DS..

Additionally, Pokemon games aren't the only ones with overly pixelated graphics, i.e. the Final Fantasy 3 and 4 remakes.

MistahDude June 21st, 2010 8:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volroc (Post 5901021)
Flaws ive seen:

Since we are in beta stages im not puttin much ground on it, but from what ive seen, the games are HORRIBLY over pixelated...
i know its bigger than the DS screen,but even then....
its pretty choppy& crappy
they seriously need a blur filter cuz the buildings looked unnatural
& the circles were blocky...

Awesomeness:

of course its awesome its in 3D
the fully animated sprites
the desert dunes made my mouth drop
and the bridge sequence was pretty impressive

does it really matter? Just enjoy the games

Sora's Nobody June 21st, 2010 9:16 PM

The only things i can see, which it know they will fix, are the circles the pokemon stand on in battles, they're all chunky!

Nikorasu June 21st, 2010 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 5901165)
The only things i can see, which it know they will fix, are the circles the pokemon stand on in battles, they're all chunky!

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS >.<

But i really like the new attack scenes.

Finally tackle may actually be a tackle...

Volroc June 21st, 2010 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5901107)
does it really matter? Just enjoy the games

yes it does matter :P

i will, just not if its on 3DS cuz then i cant afford it :'(

Myles June 21st, 2010 11:34 PM

The only problem is that the back-sprites are a bit pixellated. The rest looks good while in motion.

Hopefully they either fix the back-sprites or it doesn't look as bad on a DS screen.

Ravecat June 21st, 2010 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volroc (Post 5901021)
Since we are in beta stages im not puttin much ground on it, but from what ive seen, the games are HORRIBLY over pixelated...
This is because they are animated, and screenshots are stills. You can only have full animation or clear pixels, not both.
i know its bigger than the DS screen,but even then....
its pretty choppy& crappy
There's nothing crappy about it, as said it's because they're moving and they use a technique similar to puppetry to move the sprites without pixelling each individual pose from scratch. Again, looks great in motion.
they seriously need a blur filter cuz the buildings looked unnatural
& the circles were blocky...
A blur filter would look disgusting. Blur almost always looks horrible, unless it's depth of field.

Quote:

Originally Posted by austin00081 (Post 5901078)
You can't exactly have PSP graphics on the DS. If you look closely, the DS screen is made up of tiny little squares. Each square has a color, and that's what makes up the graphics.

Those are called pixels, practically every screen in the world works this way. Including the PSP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by austin00081 (Post 5901078)
Additionally, Pokemon games aren't the only ones with overly pixelated graphics, i.e. the Final Fantasy 3 and 4 remakes.

Sprites =! "overly pixelated". . :/

Volroc June 22nd, 2010 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravecat (Post 5901361)
Those are called pixels, practically every screen in the world works this way. Including the PSP.


Sprites =! "overly pixelated". . :/

all that you said except the last was mute,cuz my observation was from the VIDEOS
not the pictures,try not to make false assumptions.

-_-" seriously, no duh, but if you look at PSP, exc. most of their pixels look good
this beta is seriously lackin.

Ravecat June 22nd, 2010 12:57 AM

Learn to read:
This,
"You can only have full animation or clear pixels, not both."
this,
"There's nothing crappy about it, as said it's because they're moving and they use a technique similar to puppetry to move the sprites without pixelling each individual pose from scratch."
and
"A blur filter would look disgusting. Blur almost always looks horrible, unless it's depth of field."
Still make perfect sense even if you were referring to the videos.

Nice not being able to counter and ignoring everything I said instead.

Also, the term beta means all features are implemented. They are not going to re-sprite everything, especially after videos have been shown.

Volroc June 22nd, 2010 1:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravecat (Post 5901450)
Learn to read:
This,
"You can only have full animation or anti-aliased pixels, not both."
this,
"There's nothing crappy about it, as said it's because they're moving and they use a technique similar to puppetry to move the sprites without pixelling each individual pose from scratch."
and
"A blur filter would look disgusting. Blur almost always looks horrible, unless it's depth of field."
Still make perfect sense even if you were referring to the videos.

Nice not being able to counter and ignoring everything I said instead.

Also, the term beta means all features are implemented. They are not going to re-sprite everything.

you clearly dont understand a blur filter its to smooth out the blurs not create them thats what a FILTER does.

not really, you implied i meant photos, but in video it looks bad too

Ravecat June 22nd, 2010 1:07 AM

I don't understand because that's an odd way of putting it, as in graphics terms a blur filter would generally be something that adds blur, as opposed to something that "filters" it but I see what you mean now.
Which is kind of weird as nothing in the videos is actually blurred.

Also they look great. If you think we should go back to mediocre battle-scenes that have absolutely no animation then by all means let's do that, obviously that looks much better!

But I've come to the conclusion there's really little point discussing this as your views on graphics seem to be very skewed and illogical.

The overworlds don't seem to be up to par though.

Volroc June 22nd, 2010 1:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravecat (Post 5901475)
I don't understand because that's an odd way of putting it, as in graphics terms a blur filter would generally be something that adds blur, as opposed to something that "filters" it but I see what you mean now.
Which is kind of weird as nothing in the videos is actually blurred.

Also they look great. If you think we should go back to mediocre battle-scenes that have absolutely no animation then by all means let's do that, obviously that looks much better!

But I've come to the conclusion there's really little point discussing this as your views on graphics seem to be very skewed and illogical.

your twistin my words tryin to make urself right when your clearly wrong, stop bein an arrogant prick.

anyone with eyes can see the buildings move unnaturally,& need time to load cuz it isnt filtered correctly.

Ravecat June 22nd, 2010 1:16 AM

I'm not twisting anything.
If you look wrong it's simply your own doing, no-one else's.

Now calm down, there is no need to be rude. There is nothing arrogant about me disagreeing with your odd methods of deduction regarding graphics.

"anyone with eyes can see the buildings move unnaturally"
Anyone with a brain can see that's an opinion, not a fact.

"need time to load cuz it isnt filtered correctly."
ITT: telling game devs they're doin' it wrong.

Volroc June 22nd, 2010 1:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravecat (Post 5901490)
I'm not twisting anything.
If you look wrong it's simply your own doing, no-one else's.

Now calm down, there is no need to be rude. There is nothing arrogant about me disagreeing with your odd methods of deduction regarding graphics.

"anyone with eyes can see the buildings move unnaturally"
Anyone with a brain can see that's an opinion, not a fact.

"need time to load cuz it isnt filtered correctly."
ITT: telling game devs they're doin' it wrong.

-_- i really hate arrogant people who cant admit their wrong.

Ravecat June 22nd, 2010 1:26 AM

Think what you will.

You are being childish and arrogant, and unless you can discuss this like a reasonable human being I am done here.

Volroc June 22nd, 2010 1:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravecat (Post 5901509)
Think what you will.

You are being childish and arrogant, and I am done here.

yay your gone,no more arrogant fool actin liek he knows everythin :D

i can tell ur arrogant cuz of ur title is "im right"
only an arrogant fool would put that

Ravecat June 22nd, 2010 1:31 AM

Seems the one who resorted to name calling over someone disagreeing with him is more likely to be the arrogant one.

Grow up. Ad hominem arguments mean nothing.

Aggressor June 22nd, 2010 1:32 AM

The awesomez:
-Third person view
-Pokemon are animated when not battling
-The attacks (in the previews at least) are really awesome :D

Flaws:
-Like most people, the circles around the Pokemon, it looks like its made of MegaBlocks
-The camera views look a bit odd, I don't know, just isn't 100% right.

enderalex June 22nd, 2010 1:32 AM

flame waaaaars lol

but seriously though who cares? we each hav diff opinions on this why fight about it? no one is gonna get proven right or wrong cuz its an Opinion.

Anyways i for one personally love the graphics, i dont hate a single thing about them :) well yea i wish they were psp standard at least but the DS isnt capable of doing that :p

Ravecat June 22nd, 2010 1:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enderalex (Post 5901522)
but seriously though who cares? we each hav diff opinions on this why fight about it? no one is gonna get proven right or wrong cuz its an Opinion.

I pointed this out, but apparently disagreeing with him makes me arrogant.

Lollllllll name calling. That's primary school stuff, man.

Volroc June 22nd, 2010 1:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aggressor (Post 5901520)
The awesomez:
-Third person view
-Pokemon are animated when not battling
-The attacks (in the previews at least) are really awesome :D

Flaws:
-Like most people, the circles around the Pokemon, it looks like its made of MegaBlocks
-The camera views look a bit odd, I don't know, just isn't 100% right.

i agree mate ^_^ definitely awesome attacks :D

Ravecat June 22nd, 2010 1:48 AM

Looks like someone finally decided to stop making himself look silly! :3

I can't wait to see all the old Pokémon fully animated!
I hope they have interesting animations, like the Zebra's head-bolt glowing yellow in the most recent video.
Maybe Charizard breathing a bit of smoke, that'd be cool.

Spriting each pose individually would look much better, but would be entirely impractical for over 500 Pokémon, so I don't mind this "flaw".
I'm also not entirely keen on the overworld trainer sprites, but I'd like to see them in-game personally before passing judgment.

enderalex June 22nd, 2010 1:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravecat (Post 5901548)
I'm also not entirely keen on the overworld trainer sprites, but I'd like to see them in-game personally before passing judgment.

Yea but they're probably look better when your playing it on the ds instead of seeing it on a tv screen :) god i cant freaking wait til it comes out :D

Ravecat June 22nd, 2010 1:54 AM

Yeah, that's what I think.


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