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FreakyLocz14 June 23rd, 2010 11:21 AM

Should women be allowed to go topless in public?
 
I always found it strange why a man can go topless in public but a woman cannot.

I remember being told it is because a female's topless body is sexually attractive to men and society wants to mitigate this in public so children and such aren't offended.

Well woman can also be sexually attracted to a man's topless body so that logic seems moot to me.

RTHookers June 23rd, 2010 11:25 AM

Women already go with those tight crap...

...Topless, eh?..............................................................................................................................HOLY-^%$^%^^54.

Kotone June 23rd, 2010 11:28 AM

no. i dont wanna show my body in public like that:P

Throat June 23rd, 2010 11:30 AM

Yes, also, I think everyone should have the right to go out naked.

Kishijoten June 23rd, 2010 11:40 AM

That'll never happen in a million years. Why? for one, it'll attract a ton of perverts young and old. And two, it's just wrong.

Zebeedoo June 23rd, 2010 11:46 AM

Well, I think they should be... because they do on beaches and that's a public place with children about? xD; As long as they have a bra on then I see nothing wrong with it to be honest. P:

donavannj June 23rd, 2010 11:47 AM

Being a libertarian, I don't see why not.

As for why they can't go topless in America, that goes back to the country's puritanical roots.

alisaie June 23rd, 2010 11:51 AM

Bras are like swimsuits except we can't go swimming in them, I say. Like one said above, we're allowed to wear swimsuits in publics places like beaches when they're kids, so I don't see why it's too much of a problem, as long as one is wearing a bra.

I myself want to go out in just a sports bra because it's so hot outside sometimes. :U

donavannj June 23rd, 2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BinaryPeaches (Post 5905220)
Bras are like swimsuits except we can't go swimming in them, I say. Like one said above, we're allowed to wear swimsuits in publics places like beaches when they're kids, so I don't see why it's too much of a problem, as long as one is wearing a bra.

I myself want to go out in just a sports bra because it's so hot outside sometimes. :U

That in itself is perfectly legal as far as I'm aware. The core of the issue is going completely topless, without a bra or something similar covering your breasts, which is not permitted for women, but is legal for men. That's what I think the OP was getting at.

seeker June 23rd, 2010 11:57 AM

I don't even think men should be allowed go around topless we'll say, in town or cities, on main streets, I find it pretty off putting. But in beaches, parks and certain other recreational areas people should be allowed to. Women are allowed to go topless on beaches at least, I'm not sure about other places, but I honestly don't think it's that big an issue.

Lunyka June 23rd, 2010 12:02 PM

It depends on society and the FCC. The FCC blocks tits in most movies and TV shows so the FCC basically creates what falls under the law of indecent exposure.

JakeyBoy June 23rd, 2010 12:16 PM

It's disgusting on the wrong people. Some sweaty fat man passed me by the other day and I had to turn away. Even on a woman it could be potentially bleugh from my point of view. But hey, if you can pull it off and you wanna go around topless, I will most certainly not be standing in your way.

Well, figuratively speaking.

Rokusasu June 23rd, 2010 12:26 PM

I don't know why, but heck, people kick off when a woman breastfeeds in public, no matter how discreet she is.

I agree with the point that being topless for anyone should be restricted to around recreational areas. The worst thing is when you're sitting in a cafe or something and some sweaty person walks by... Puts you right off your food. >:

Hybrid Trainer June 23rd, 2010 12:30 PM

Well i honestly think that they should be aloud to since it makes nearly no difference to when men do it. And to be honest lets face it, its going to be very unlikely that any woman is going to go outside topless.

Ivysaur June 23rd, 2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Throat (Post 5905169)
Yes, also, I think everyone should have the right to go out naked.

This. As far as I know, it is legal here. I never understood why showing the human body is so horrible for some people. It's not like you aren't ever going to see your parents naked, even just when getting out of the shower or something.

Being naked is just... the most natural thing for any living being. Except us. But I don't see why somebody willing to break a social convention should be legally punished for that.

Eurydice June 23rd, 2010 12:41 PM

no. i dont think anyone should be able to go topless. you just dont need to show off your body to everyone. but people already kinda are with the revealing/tight clothes they wear.

Kon~ June 23rd, 2010 12:41 PM

I don't think anyone should go topless in certain places. It's fine for all people to be topless on beaches, and men are somehow allowed to be topless pretty much anywhere, but it's kinda wierd when you're in a café or something and a topless guy comes in... like has been said, it's offputting. :/

shot571 June 23rd, 2010 12:47 PM

No i dont think they should be allowed. Not sure why though guess its my upbringing. I just think women should cover themselves. On the other hand I dont think men should be allowed to go around topless either.

Your turn bobby

Jolene June 23rd, 2010 12:53 PM

For men being topless lets them show off their muscles and stuff but for women it makes you feel vulnerable so it is different. That is why it is not allowed.

ReyRey-Pyon June 23rd, 2010 12:59 PM

Yes. probably maybe idk

I don't understand why its considered "Indecent" for a woman to run around topless.
Why is it? Is it the nipples? because men show their nipples all the time and no one gives a crap. its it the fact that women have boobs?

What about fat guys with man boobs? shouldn't that be censored too?
Why do people start freaking out when women breastfeed? I don't understand it at all



know what? instead of women running around topless. how about the men put something on :C
i'd rather we all just put some clothes on instead of a bunch of people running around naked.

we might see people we REALLY do not want to see that much of ._.

Spirit Albarn♫ June 23rd, 2010 1:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shot571 (Post 5905387)
No i dont think they should be allowed. Not sure why though guess its my upbringing. I just think women should cover themselves. On the other hand I dont think men should be allowed to go around topless either.

Your turn bobby

I Wonder Who Bobby Is?,
I Personally Think Women Shouldnt Be Allowed to Go Around Topless Due To My religious Upbringing, Buuuuuuuuut, If They Wanna go Around Shaking Their bodonkadunk, Its thier life.

Jolene June 23rd, 2010 1:14 PM

For men it is empowering to be topless but for women it is demeaning you see there is a big difference.

If it was legal for women to be topless then lots of women would be topless, mostly they would be the people who just want attention and stuff and they don't care if men objectify them, but that would damage respect all women because then lots of men would objectify us. You see?

dithyrambos June 23rd, 2010 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ReyRey-Pyon (Post 5905421)
Yes. probably maybe idk

I don't understand why its considered "Indecent" for a woman to run around topless.
Why is it? Is it the nipples? because men show their nipples all the time and no one gives a crap. its it the fact that women have boobs?

What about fat guys with man boobs? shouldn't that be censored too?
Why do people start freaking out when women breastfeed? I don't understand it at all



know what? instead of women running around topless. how about the men put something on :C
i'd rather we all just put some clothes on instead of a bunch of people running around naked.

we might see people we REALLY do not want to see that much of ._.

Agreed. I was going to say something to the tune of "Yes, I think it should be allowed, but most women (myself included) don't want to be outside topless and thus it would be rare sight even if it were legal." But I quite like the idea of it being illegal for both women and men to be topless in public.

I mean, yeah. I've seen some guys who were lookin' pretty indecent without their shirts on and no one bats an eye, but as soon as a woman pops a breast out to feed her child people are falling all over themselves because they're too busy watching her rather than where they're going.


Ruin Maniac June 23rd, 2010 1:30 PM

If they're fit, then yeah.

If they're saggy, then nah

EpsilonE June 23rd, 2010 1:36 PM

Well let me think about this one very carefu-Yes.

Alakazam17 June 23rd, 2010 1:38 PM

I don't see a problem with it, actually. Though, having said that, I don't think many women would do it regardless, at least in non-recreational places. As suggested before, it shouldn't be a big deal if you're just wearing a bra, though I don't think that's the point of this thread.

In the end I guess it all goes down to traditional gender-stereotypes. Women are supposed to be embarrassed to reveal too much of themselves, right? Please. Women's clothing tends to be a lot more revealing that men's anyway, heh.

Luck June 23rd, 2010 1:40 PM

I believe everyone has the right to be nude in public, but seeing as how it's generally a social taboo(at least where I live), not much would change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolene (Post 5905405)
For men being topless lets them show off their muscles and stuff but for women it makes you feel vulnerable so it is different. That is why it is not allowed.

Who made you the spokesperson for an entire gender?

Trap-Eds June 23rd, 2010 1:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5905145)
I always found it strange why a man can go topless in public but a woman cannot.

I have a question: Why would they-we-want to? I see no reason for me to run around topless-it's not that hot down here. I think guys only do it beacuse they get hot and tired from working all day or whatever they do.

lol at the guys' answers :P

Taemin June 23rd, 2010 2:04 PM

Do rock concerts count as public? D:

>__> Kay fine, concerts aside, no.

Men can go around topless in certain places because they don't have anything that would all hang out thar for everyone to see. A woman walking around topless in public, seems like the equivalence of a man walking around without pants/underwear on. Seems overkill.. there are clothes for a reason. Due to societies norms, I would call it tacky. xD;

NarutoActor June 23rd, 2010 2:08 PM

Here is the golden rule, if you have cleavage then put it away; that applies to men too. Put a shirt on fatty!

the bitter end. June 23rd, 2010 2:08 PM

Um... I don't see why not. If they want to that is.

Timbjerr June 23rd, 2010 2:59 PM

If I can find myself on a website showing naked breasts without having to pass an 18+ warning page, then there's probably nothing wrong with the presence of naked breasts in recreational public locales. Even still, the only place I as a man can go without a shirt is either the beach or a public pool. Most restaurants and/or retailers don't serve you if you're not wearing a shirt (or shoes) anyways.

[insert obligatory sexual joke from male perspective here]

Xebelleon June 23rd, 2010 3:13 PM

Large women in small amounts of clothing make me giggle...

I think they should cover considering the stimulant of exposed female flesh/nipple. I'm against topless in most public settings.

Spoiler:

MEN: No shoes. No shirt. No service.
WOMEN: No shoes. No shirt. More beer.


Sweaty/moisturized boobs are my problem. What if she starts running? Bouncy! Bouncy! Bouncy! Okay with breastfeeding (not near me, please) and "flashing/flirting"...

Sydian June 23rd, 2010 3:36 PM

Quote:

I always found it strange why a man can go topless in public but a woman cannot.

I remember being told it is because a female's topless body is sexually attractive to men and society wants to mitigate this in public so children and such aren't offended.

Well woman can also be sexually attracted to a man's topless body so that logic seems moot to me.
Guys don't walk around with their pants off (normally), so I don't think girls should run around with their shirts off. Seems disgusting to me. I would just think she was a random prostitute, and she'd certainly gain that attention. But I did used to wonder why guys could take their shirts off and girls couldn't, and I was about 7 at the time. No girl at my age had anything to show, so I'm not understanding that being too inappropriate. But a grown woman who would normally have to wear a bra, that's a problem. We don't need all the men around getting stiff, especially when their lady friend is around. So no, I'm not for it.

reyzn June 23rd, 2010 3:59 PM

In my hometown there's a well-known woman who fought for her right to go topless in our town... needless to say she's the only one who does it lol.
In the summer time she's often seen biking around topless..

Jolene June 23rd, 2010 4:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5905860)
the only sensible counterargument I can find in this is that there are a lot of male perverts and it just...for the safety of some women, it would be better if they would wear clothes..

But that's a pretty big counter argument, don't you think? It definitely outweighs the other side of the argument.

Benjamin510 June 23rd, 2010 4:01 PM

No. Ok with Bras, they should at-least have a small fine for doing it once.

Zet June 23rd, 2010 5:04 PM

Yeah I'm pretty sure that won't increase rape, kidnappings and crap. But as much as I would like to say "Yes, equality is now stronger blah blah" I just can't knowing that it will only increase rape, kidnappings and such.

Rich Boy Rob June 23rd, 2010 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rokusasu (Post 5905312)
I don't know why, but heck, people kick off when a woman breastfeeds in public, no matter how discreet she is.

Really? Who? If you ever go on the tube in london, it's unlikely you won't see someone breastfeeding at some point.

Anyways, I think they should. The only reason breasts have become sexualised is because they are 'hidden' for lack of a better term. If every man woman and child walked around topless, no one would think anything of it. Realistically a sexual desire towards breasts is more like a fetish than anything else.

Besides, it's not as if the rule would that you must walk around topless. Just that if you felt you wanted to for whatever reason, then you could.

Shame is a cruel mistress.

Hikari <3 June 23rd, 2010 5:17 PM

I say they should. I mean, I've gone in public (on my school bus) with just a bra on... sorry, that might be a little... too much... but why not? As long as they're wearing a bra I don't see the problem.

Rich Boy Rob June 23rd, 2010 5:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikari <3 (Post 5906008)
I say they should. I mean, I've gone in public (on my school bus) with just a bra on... sorry, that might be a little... too much... but why not? As long as they're wearing a bra I don't see the problem.

I think the OP is on about being completely bare above the waist. No bra or anything.

Hikari <3 June 23rd, 2010 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5906024)
I think the OP is on about being completely bare above the waist. No bra or anything.

Thanks for clearing that up...... then my answer is no. Except on beaches.

Pokeyomom June 23rd, 2010 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 5905790)
Guys don't walk around with their pants off (normally), so I don't think girls should run around with their shirts off. Seems disgusting to me. I would just think she was a random prostitute, and she'd certainly gain that attention. But I did used to wonder why guys could take their shirts off and girls couldn't, and I was about 7 at the time. No girl at my age had anything to show, so I'm not understanding that being too inappropriate. But a grown woman who would normally have to wear a bra, that's a problem. We don't need all the men around getting stiff, especially when their lady friend is around. So no, I'm not for it.

O god. Guys pants off='s exposure of male sex organs. Girls shirts off does not = exposure of female sex organs. Sure, breasts are considered reproductive organs, but only in the sense that they serve to feed offspring. There is nothing disgusting about women walking around topless. As I do recall, that is how things originally were.

NOOBLMAO June 23rd, 2010 5:38 PM

I find it funny how in American society, a PG-13 movie can have lots of blood and people killing people and other gratuitous violence, but it can't show a nipple.

Rich Boy Rob June 23rd, 2010 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NOOBLMAO (Post 5906081)
I find it funny how in American society, a PG-13 movie can have lots of blood and people killing people and other gratuitous violence, but it can't show a nipple.

It's funny how in Europe it's basically reversed.

PokemonLeagueChamp June 23rd, 2010 6:46 PM

YES OF F***ING COURSE THEY SHOULD

/retardedness

The way I see it, it's situational. Conerts, what are ya gonna do about it? Half the women there(and just as many of the men if not more)are drunk, high, or both. If you think you're gonna stop a woman from takin off her shirt there, that ain't happenin. In the workplace, on the other hand, it would be far too distracting for the men if the women walked around in bras(or nothing)all day. Sexual harassment cases would blow through the roof. In parks....depends. If you're out in the middle of nowhere or no one's around, and it's hot, do what you will.

For clarification, is this a debate on no tops(shirts and such)on women or nothing on any of the torso at all?

professor plum June 23rd, 2010 6:52 PM

No, that would be unnecessary. Sure, you're happy with yourself, but IMO it's still indecent exposure. Someone might not want their children exposed to that at a young age. :/

PokemonLeagueChamp June 23rd, 2010 6:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik Destler (Post 5906307)
No, that would be unnecessary. Sure, you're happy with yourself, but IMO it's still indecent exposure. Someone might not want their children exposed to that at a young age. :/

So breastfeeding them at a younger age is just fine? I'm not disagreeing with your point, but I don't see what difference it makes when many kids start off getting fed from breasts. Plus, frankly, depending on gender, they will wind up having them or seeing them at some point anyway. And it's not like they'll induce nightmares or psychological issues the way exposing them to, say, Gears of War would.

Esper June 23rd, 2010 7:00 PM

I was told by a friend that in Vancouver it's legal for women to be topless. I know there are towns in the US where this is the same. Most women in these places don't bother to express their legally protected right to be topless though.

Here's some food for though. Some men can and do develop breasts similar to most women's. It's medically recognized. Some women are also very flat-chested. Anyway, breasts =/= genitalia (not even going into that argument). Just because some people can't control themselves in the sight of a part of the human body doesn't mean it should be covered up. Those people should just mature a bit.

altariaking June 23rd, 2010 7:10 PM

I vote yes. I won't say why, just yes.

lahorsea June 23rd, 2010 7:10 PM

As children we've been condition by our parents who dictate how we view and think about the world, from a young age we were lead to believe that having an image is in a certain way, that includes women dress top and bottom and that men can wear a top if he chooses but he must always wears bottoms.

Because as women we've been conditioned since a young age that its hard to break out that of mould, I wouldn't feel comfortable seeing a women topless, nor if I was a woman would want to be topless in public, possibly at home in my own backyard, public, I couldn't.

PokemonLeagueChamp June 23rd, 2010 7:10 PM

I think the issue is way more than "they should be moar mature". Seriously, if women actually decided to go topless for even a day, how do you suppose that'd go?

professor plum June 23rd, 2010 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5906328)
So breastfeeding them at a younger age is just fine? I'm not disagreeing with your point, but I don't see what difference it makes when many kids start off getting fed from breasts. Plus, frankly, depending on gender, they will wind up having them or seeing them at some point anyway. And it's not like they'll induce nightmares or psychological issues the way exposing them to, say, Gears of War would.

I don't recall saying anything about breast feeding.
That's obviously something different.
I'm saying, some people may not want their children exposed to that in public just because it's not ~decent~.

I'm all about embracing the human body, but I also believe that people should have some class.

reyzn June 23rd, 2010 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 5906332)
I was told by a friend that in Vancouver it's legal for women to be topless.

QFT. Yup the lady I was talking about in my previous post actually played a huge part in this.

Luck June 23rd, 2010 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zet (Post 5905957)
Yeah I'm pretty sure that won't increase rape, kidnappings and crap. But as much as I would like to say "Yes, equality is now stronger blah blah" I just can't knowing that it will only increase rape, kidnappings and such.

I'm just wondering how that will happen. Something like a nipple won't suddenly make a person want to kidnap a woman. As far as I know, most people who would actually commit acts like those would commit it regardless of what the person is wearing.

NOOBLMAO June 23rd, 2010 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik Destler (Post 5906362)
I don't recall saying anything about breast feeding.
That's obviously something different.
I'm saying, some people may not want their children exposed to that in public just because it's not ~decent~.

I'm all about embracing the human body, but I also believe that people should have some class.

Should not having "class" be illegal?

beca June 23rd, 2010 7:35 PM

We should be able to, but there are too many perverts around.
I personally wouldn't use the option, though xD

Melody June 23rd, 2010 7:37 PM

Honestly, I don't oppose the idea of women being able to go topless, or even completely nude from the waist up in any public setting. To be perfectly honest, I feel it's a decision that is best left to the woman. If she isn't comfortable exposing that much of herself to the public eye, then why should we expect her to oppose this social norm? Of course, there are some hair-brained laws which enforce this, but I honestly think they're the real problem, not the mindset of society as a whole.

That being said, considering how revealing womens' clothes can be, it really wouldn't be a big step for anyone in society except maybe the older folks, who are just too damn set in their ways to admit that things are trending this way anyhow.

SIN1488 June 23rd, 2010 9:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5905145)
I remember being told it is because a female's topless body is sexually attractive to men and society wants to mitigate this in public so children and such aren't offended.

Well woman can also be sexually attracted to a man's topless body so that logic seems moot to me.

Exactly. And people would freak out if the laws on that were changed now. But if it wasn't a law in the first place, it would be no different or more distracting than seeing someones face. Which I guess means that would be the same in countries where the women have to cover their face, if the walked around without a cover, people would freak out.

But I guess we live in a world where boys discover it is desirable to see a woman's breasts, when it's really not a huge deal.

Idiot! June 23rd, 2010 10:07 PM

Like I care if everyone went topless. Even my dog and cat goes topless. I do have the choice to look the other way if I want to.

Dawn June 23rd, 2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5905145)
I always found it strange why a man can go topless in public but a woman cannot.

I remember being told it is because a female's topless body is sexually attractive to men and society wants to mitigate this in public so children and such aren't offended.

Well woman can also be sexually attracted to a man's topless body so that logic seems moot to me.

It's not moot. It just exposes a double standard. I mean... considering guys have breasts too if anything nobody should be walking around topless according to the logic.

One could say girls find a guy's chest attractive for a different reason than a guy find's a girl's chest attractive and that's why...

But... Meh...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Throat (Post 5905169)
Yes, also, I think everyone should have the right to go out naked.

That would be what I would call trolling real life.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokeyomom (Post 5906071)
O god. Guys pants off='s exposure of male sex organs. Girls shirts off does not = exposure of female sex organs. Sure, breasts are considered reproductive organs

Fatal contradiction encountered.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5906328)
So breastfeeding them at a younger age is just fine? I'm not disagreeing with your point, but I don't see what difference it makes when many kids start off getting fed from breasts. Plus, frankly, depending on gender, they will wind up having them or seeing them at some point anyway. And it's not like they'll induce nightmares or psychological issues the way exposing them to, say, Gears of War would.

Breastfeeding generally is done discretely and exposes significantly less than jogging around with nothing on your torso. Very different.

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5906374)
I'm just wondering how that will happen. Something like a nipple won't suddenly make a person want to kidnap a woman. As far as I know, most people who would actually commit acts like those would commit it regardless of what the person is wearing.

The sudden exposure and change is pretty much bound to increase the risk. You can't simply trust people to act the way you want when you're handing them a motive to do the opposite. Just saying, it's not practical at all to assume everyone is not going to be influenced by sudden exposure of breasts.

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Originally Posted by NOOBLMAO (Post 5906426)
Should not having "class" be illegal?

Yes, not having any "class" should be illegal. Less you intend to play /b/ in real life. There needs to be some minimum limits set to keep things orderly.

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 5906685)
Exactly. And people would freak out if the laws on that were changed now. But if it wasn't a law in the first place, it would be no different or more distracting than seeing someones face.

That's just the way the cookie crumbles... /shrug



P.S. I find a good pair of clothes quite attractive thank you very much topless guys

SIN1488 June 23rd, 2010 10:24 PM

I've always wondered though, where did the "more developed" countries suddenly get the idea that women needed to put a top on or else it's disrespectful? It couldn't have been a distraction before, so why did somone decide they needed to cover up?

I know it's been that way for a very long time in a lot of places, but if you go to some countries women will laugh when they hear women have to do that in other countries.

インフェルノの津波 June 24th, 2010 1:26 AM

Why not? Oh that's right, the world assumes that everyone is a pervert, right?

WRONG

Me, for one don't really think breasts are all that glorious. Just milk and skin, yeesh. Why're y'all so attracted to them?

Zeffy June 24th, 2010 1:36 AM

What's the thing wrong with being topless?

Its not like you won't see it in Biology class, I mean before everyone was naked and noone cares. :/

So my opinion would be yes, if it weren't for the perverts who just loves to see topless women (even in bras).

Uecil June 24th, 2010 1:45 AM

In my opinion I think if a woman or someone feels comfortable walking around topless or naked then they should have the freedom to do that, but I can also add that there are a lot of sick minded people around that will probably try to harass them in anyway if they did.

Eldrei June 24th, 2010 2:11 AM

Why not? This is democracy after all.

Rich Boy Rob June 24th, 2010 2:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 5906789)
I've always wondered though, where did the "more developed" countries suddenly get the idea that women needed to put a top on or else it's disrespectful? It couldn't have been a distraction before, so why did somone decide they needed to cover up?

I know it's been that way for a very long time in a lot of places, but if you go to some countries women will laugh when they hear women have to do that in other countries.

It's likely that one tribe/nation created laws like that for religious reasons which then spread across the world via preaching and military conquer.
That and the fact that early traders etc from the western world may have "encouraged" women from the places they arrived in to subscribe to their ideas of the social norm.
Anyway, before people covered up at all it would hardly be surprising to see people's area below the waist (for lack of a more appropriate term).

Dawn June 24th, 2010 5:42 AM

...I cannot believe how many yes... ...What is this I don't even...
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3344/19055571.gif

インフェルノの津波 June 24th, 2010 6:02 AM

The only reason I think woman think they should have to cover-up(or even both genders being clothed at all!) Is because of the one thing we all know and love:

RELI-GION. Also, we probably only put clothes on in the winter, and maybe we used to wear protective skins from the elements. But yeah, you get the point.

If a person wants to go out au natural, I say go for it if there's no police fine involved.

(Actually done it once, wasn't caught)

Ivysaur June 24th, 2010 6:25 AM

I'm sad to see that some people can't figure out the difference between "letting everybody have the possibility to do something" and "actively encouraging everybody to do something".

As far as I know, the topic is "Should women be allowed to be around naked without being fined?", not "Would you like all the women in your zone to go naked?".

I guess that's one of the reasons why debates fail: failure to understand the real topic.

インフェルノの津波 June 24th, 2010 6:29 AM

(Thank you Went.)

Back on topic: Sure, why not? I'm not a pervert, don't mind if they do or don't. To me, woman and men, physical, don't really seem different. So yeah, sure, go ahead.

Jolene June 24th, 2010 6:34 AM

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In the summer of 1996 Gwen Jacobs enjoyed a topless summer stroll during which she was seen by a local O.P.P officer, was apprehended and subsequently charged with indecent exposure. Gwen Jacobs pleaded not guilty in court and won the right to go topless in Ontario. This incident brought up an excellent question: should women be allowed to go topless on public beaches and in other public areas?

The answer is strictly no, women should not be allowed to go topless anywhere outside of their own home. One of the many reasons why I believe that women should not be allowed to go topless is with respect to the safety of women. Men and boys have, in recent years, been using short, tight, skirts and shirts as an excuse for rape or date rape. Men have said that the girl was wearing a tight shirt and short skirt and it was obvious that she was easy and wanted the attention.

This statement leads me to my next point. The average human being upon first contact with a stranger bases his initial impression of that person solely on the person's appearance. This is only natural as the only thing that we know about this stranger is what we see of them the first time we meet. We all are aware of the sayings "Preppy","Jockish","Skater","****y" etc. This final saying, "****y" is interpreted by 90 percent of North Americans as a tight skirt and tight tank top which happens to be the usual ensemble of a prostitute. This first impression of a girl in nothing but a skirt and a bare chest will no doubt elevate to the new version of a "****" and a girl that wants it.

My second point is, what kind of questions will a mother be asked by her son when he sees a half nude woman walking down the street. The first question that this child will ask is why do these women have no shirt on and you do? Your reply will be well ahhh go talk to your father. This dilemma will no doubt be brought about as these and other questions about the sexual nature of the body will be put forth by young children. Questions that you as a parent do not feel should be answered truthfully to such a young child.

My third point begins thousands of years ago when man first walked on the earth. When man first walked he hunted and his wife(clothless) cleaned the game and took care of the young. As centuries have progressed women have stepped forth into a new era of equal rights. We've seen the first women doctors, astronauts, business owners and many other firsts in numerous professions. Women have made giant leaps when it comes to respect from men in their professional field. This respect which women have been fighting for over the past century, is on the verge of collapse. Women seem to be taking this new law allowing them to go topless to an extreme. Walking their dogs, walking on the beach and strolling through public places with no tops on. This display of nudity, in the average person's eyes, whether they admit to it or not, will cause men to look down again on women. If, for example, the first woman astronaut (Sally Ride) were to start going topless in public places it would be plastered on the front page of every newspaper. This in turn would lead to her fellow colleagues looking down on her. This would be a giant step backwards in respect to equal rights for women.

Following the changes to this law allowing women to go topless our cities will slowly begin to diverge into places that encourage nudity and places that do not encourage nudity. Our economy will begin to collapse, as store owners appalled by this nudity will be forced to close their stores and move, if this nudity is surrounding them. This also applies to stores that want to have workers that want to go topless, they will be forced to relocate to places of nudity. As this begins to happen slowly our cities will become two sided and our economy's stability will collapse beneath our feet. An excellent example of this situation is taking place in Quebec. A law in Quebec states that a women may work in nothing less than lingerie. So a Quebec barber shop run by a well endowed women decided to charge an extra ten dollars per haircut and she'd remove her shirt so they could watch her cut their hair in just a bra. She also charged an extra fifteen to remove her bottoms so she had only her underwear on. This new business skyrocketed and now there is currently 15 of these hair dressers presently in Quebec. The neighborhoods surrounding these barbershops are appalled by what is going on and many people have relocated there families away from this nudity. In conclusion to the question: should women be allowed to go topless in public places? It has been clearly shown that women should not be allowed to go topless anywhere outside of their own home.
You see you are all wrong and I am right.

インフェルノの津波 June 24th, 2010 6:39 AM

Jolene, I have no idea what that thing just said, and I'm going to say this:

RIGHT AND WRONG DON'T EXIST IN OPINIONS.

I rest my case.

Back to topic:

Honestly, why is it such a big deal? Why should you, or anyone else matter if someone wants to expose their body a bit more?

Jolene June 24th, 2010 6:47 AM

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907573)

Honestly, why is it such a big deal? Why should you, or anyone else matter if someone wants to expose their body a bit more?

If more women started to not wear tops in public then it would make men look down on women in general. More than they already do! An injury to one is an injury to all!

インフェルノの津波 June 24th, 2010 6:48 AM

Only because we've been fed religious crap can you say that....whatever, I'm not gonna press on the subject no more.

ReyRey-Pyon June 24th, 2010 6:56 AM

i just think it should be allowed. not that women HAVE to start walking around topless. just that if we wanted to. we could

People who use tight revealings clothes as an excuse to harrass women are morons ._.
i've seen some comments about
"sudden exposure" and how "women will suddenly walk around half naked"
its not like suddenly half the women in america are gonna be walking around topless for no reason now. there are places where women ARE allowed to go topless, but they still do rarely

heck. I don't know about other places but, i hardly see that many men walk around shirtless. only sometimes
when they're out at the beach or they're playing basket ball or something and its really hot

besides most places don't allow men to waltz in topless either.
how often do you see a man go to a resturant or to work or to school without a shirt?
really

Hybrid Trainer June 24th, 2010 7:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolene (Post 5907581)
If more women started to not wear tops in public then it would make men look down on women in general. More than they already do! An injury to one is an injury to all!

I find this comment offensive to men, just because one man may look down on women just because a select few decide to take there tops off that doesn't mean that all men will suddenly begin protesting that woman's rights be removed or something like that.


Dawn June 24th, 2010 7:11 AM

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907573)
Jolene, I have no idea what that thing just said, and I'm going to say this:

RIGHT AND WRONG DON'T EXIST IN OPINIONS.

I rest my case.

Back to topic:

Honestly, why is it such a big deal? Why should you, or anyone else matter if someone wants to expose their body a bit more?

It's hardly an opinion to give a reason why something shouldn't be done.

It's a big deal because Men =/= Women and a Woman's chest is very different from a Man's and blablablabla you cannot change society just because you think "Why not?" because some people are very genuinely not okay with this and bla bla bla it doesn't matter if people wouldn't care had we never invented clothes and or before because that's simply the past and not reality in the present.

tl;dr - We're raised to care and it's just the way the cookie crumbles and it would cause problems to suddenly change that.

That's not to say it couldn't be changed, but it would require a lot more effort just to let people do something that isn't particularly helpful in any way.

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907524)

RELI-GION. Also, we probably only put clothes on in the winter, and maybe we used to wear protective skins from the elements. But yeah, you get the point.

You're coming off as an atheist that's a bit too angry at the world. Just pointing that out.

AuraGaurdian June 24th, 2010 7:13 AM

well if they want to then sure I guess I wouldnt think anything of it just that theres a woman over there without a top on and nothing more (and no Im not gay I just think it would be rude to say or think something dirty about a total stranger or even worse a friend or aquantance)
but i wouldnt advise a female to do so as there is just to many sickos and pervs who would like nothing more than to gauwk at them all day so Id say Im against it but only because I would have a womans best interests at heart.

インフェルノの津波 June 24th, 2010 7:14 AM

Actually, I am a Muslim. Yeah, I am angry at the world(family dishonored me).

But still, I don't get it. What's the big deal, whether you're topless or not? I understand pedos and stuff, but it's not like they lurk in every corner.

RTHookers June 24th, 2010 7:14 AM

@Hybrid Trainer
IT'S NOT THE RIGHTS DAMNIT PEOPLE WHERE THE HELL ARE YOUR INSTINCTS?

Actually, going topless (or too exposive at all) makes an impression of "goes at night and returns late with 200$ in hand" so yeah.

@Yellow
I'll link to this, just to make a little more sense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valid_argument

BareBones June 24th, 2010 7:19 AM

Eh... I guess it's just the way it is. Men finds breasts much more attractive than women find shirtless men, I'd assume.

And ontop of that, I hear it's uncomfortable to walk around bra-less. *Shrug*

Hybrid Trainer June 24th, 2010 7:19 AM

@RTHookers: I know it had nothing to do with the rights i was just trying to get my point across that not all men will look down on women just because the walk around topless

Dawn June 24th, 2010 7:20 AM

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907641)
Actually, I am a Muslim.

Really. How does one that hates on their own religion be a part of that religion, if I may ask?

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907641)
Yeah, I am angry at the world(family dishonored me).

I noticed. That sucks, dude.

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907641)
But still, I don't get it. What's the big deal, whether you're topless or not? I understand pedos and stuff, but it's not like they lurk in every corner.

Considering the population is approaching 7 billion, eh, yeah, predators might as well lurk around every corner. Also, I repeat You cannot change something just for the heck of it when people are clearly uncomfortable with it. Also, the female chest is considered a reproductive organ. You'd have to legalize public nudists to justify this.

P.S. I love clothes. Clothes are pleasant to the eyes.

インフェルノの津波 June 24th, 2010 7:24 AM

And what's wrong with an reproductive organ?

I think I understand why men like breasts so much:

Either they like the milk, or they the squishiness.

Me, I like neither. Besides, breasts belong to babies, not men.

At least this thread wasn't about going totally nude...

RTHookers June 24th, 2010 7:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BareBones (Post 5907658)
Eh... I guess it's just the way it is. Men finds breasts much more attractive than women find shirtless men, I'd assume.

And ontop of that, I hear it's uncomfortable to walk around bra-less. *Shrug*

Ughh... instincts? lol.

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Originally Posted by Hybrid Trainer (Post 5907659)
@RTHookers: I know it had nothing to do with the rights i was just trying to get my point across that not all men will look down on women just because the walk around topless

Not all men, but hey c'mon, how'd you know you're not hooking up with a hooker (looks at username X_X) or something?
Not many women will walk topless though. And they already get enough darn attention in tight clothes. (TURTUNE a man or something.. Dunno how it's called)

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 5907662)

P.S. I love clothes. Clothes are pleasant to the eyes.

Yeah.. call me gay (lololol) but.. as much as I love GIRLS IN A BIKINI!!!! <3 good pair of clothes still does that.

FreakyLocz14 June 24th, 2010 7:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolene (Post 5905470)
For men it is empowering to be topless but for women it is demeaning you see there is a big difference.

If it was legal for women to be topless then lots of women would be topless, mostly they would be the people who just want attention and stuff and they don't care if men objectify them, but that would damage respect all women because then lots of men would objectify us. You see?

And what do you think us women do when we see a topless man who is good looking with an appealing body? We objectify him.

Plenty of women oogle at an attractive man who is out jogging topless I see this regularly.

It's natural instinct for men to be attracted to the female body as well as it is for women to be attracted to the male body.

Rich Boy Rob June 24th, 2010 7:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolene (Post 5907565)
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Wall of text
You see you are all wrong and I am right.

Well for starters, the topic is should women be able to go out topless, not are they. But anyway, since when was it illegal for a woman to be topless on a beach? Either people are always breaking this law, or it's something only on the other side of the pond.

Dawn June 24th, 2010 7:32 AM

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907678)
At least this thread wasn't about going totally nude...

...

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907678)

And what's wrong with an reproductive organ?

Well, now... it sort of is...http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1340/31158954.gif

The answer is that people don't like seeing these things and you can't just change society because you want it to be different on some assumption of right and wrong.


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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5907697)
Well for starters, the topic is should women be able to go out topless, not are they. But anyway, since when was it illegal for a woman to be topless on a beach? Either people are always breaking this law, or it's something only on the other side of the pond.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the beaches have to be specifically nudist beaches for this to be legal. Like, there's a sign and warnings and shiz around beaches that happen to be designated as nudist beaches.

インフェルノの津波 June 24th, 2010 7:39 AM

Right and wrong don't exist when people are involved. It always gets screwed up, which is why I barely argue.

In any case, if the world wasn't so "civilized", then I would say rip your shirt off if you wanted to.

Rich Boy Rob June 24th, 2010 7:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 5907704)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the beaches have to be specifically nudist beaches for this to be legal. Like, there's a sign and warnings and shiz around beaches that happen to be designated as nudist beaches.

Really? I thought the only difference was with nudist beaches you could be completely naked. I'm sure I've seen a fair amount of women lying topless at a (non-nudist) beach.
Mind you, it could just be varying rules between the USA and UK. Afterall, America has stricter censorship rules in regards to sexual... stuff.

Hybrid Trainer June 24th, 2010 7:47 AM

@RTHooker: i know that not all women will choose to walk about topless, i said that in a previous post, all i was saying is that what Jolene was wrong to say that all men will look down on women just because some may or may not choose to take there tops off in public.

Dawn June 24th, 2010 7:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5907742)
Really? I thought the only difference was with nudist beaches you could be completely naked. I'm sure I've seen a fair amount of women lying topless at a (non-nudist) beach.
Mind you, it could just be varying rules between the USA and UK. Afterall, America has stricter censorship rules in regards to sexual... stuff.

I know absolutely nothing about the rules in the UK. All I know is I'm pretty sure that's illegal here in the US. Though, at least if all beaches were nudist beaches my parents wouldn't try to force me to go to them.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4403/hurrplz.png

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5907695)
And what do you think us women do when we see a topless man who is good looking with an appealing body? We objectify him.

...Does thinking of someone as a "tool" count as objectifying? Can't say I've ever been fond of topless men. It just makes me feel slightly awkward at best. Not that I ever say anything. Clothes = <3


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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5907725)
Right and wrong don't exist when people are involved. It always gets screwed up, which is why I barely argue.

In any case, if the world wasn't so "civilized", then I would say rip your shirt off if you wanted to.

Yes they do. ;/ I'm detecting extreme moral decay in your argument.

Beechlgz June 24th, 2010 7:52 AM

I think men should keep their tops on.

We can't use the argument "men are more attracted to topless women than women are attracted to topless men" because one rule doesn't fit every individual. There are many, many women who get hot and bothered at the sight of an attractive male chest. Some without even wanting to. It creates a lot of discomfort and tension.

I frequently find myself averting my gaze from topless men because I simply cannot help how I feel about it. I immediately feel "damn that's hot" but I don't want to, especially having a partner I am very loyal to and who shares the same values, only difference being he thinks it's okay for men to be topless which pisses me off a bit because he would hate to know how it makes me feel (aroused). I actually feel pretty disgusted and quite intruded by it. If I am the only one who feels this way then I will eat my shirt!

Palkia June 24th, 2010 8:03 AM

No, just no.

Men should be able too, but not women. Besides, it's like the world is becoming accited to prostitutes.

RTHookers June 24th, 2010 8:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Para-Dox (Post 5907808)
No, just no.

Men should be able too, but not women. Besides, it's like the world is becoming accited to prostitutes.

http://u1.ipernity.com/4/66/71/1536671.aca2d25a.560.jpg
Finally someone with a good sense here.

All honestly:
Can't we settle for a good pair of clothes and be done with this thread?

Palkia June 24th, 2010 8:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RTHookers (Post 5907816)
http://u1.ipernity.com/4/66/71/1536671.aca2d25a.560.jpg
Finally someone with a good sense here.

All honestly:
Can't we settle for a good pair of clothes and be done with this thread?

Thank you, mabye this place is perfect for me after all.

Rich Boy Rob June 24th, 2010 8:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Para-Dox (Post 5907808)
No, just no.

Men should be able too, but not women. Besides, it's like the world is becoming accited to prostitutes.

Are you saying that every woman in that are nudist or semi-nudist are prostitutes? Just because a woman gets hot and takes her top off doesn't mean she want's you to pay her for sex, that just makes no sense.
If everyone was allowed to be topless, then soon enough most people wouldn't think anything of it.

FreakyLocz14 June 24th, 2010 8:13 AM

Last night I saw two young ladies oogling over an attractive young man they saw pass by topless on my trolley ride home. They were really giddy with excitement and were stating out loud how aroused they were. This goes to show that women can be just as bad as men when it comes to oogling a bare-chested member of the opposite gender.

Also why are parents offended by their sons looking at pictures of women bare-chested and not offened by their daughters looking at a bare-chested male? Do they think their daugthers won't fap to it like their sons would? Well they would be very wrong about that. Sex is sold to young girls just as much if not more than it is to young boys with all these boy bands and cheesy yet attractive musicians.

RTHookers June 24th, 2010 8:20 AM

WHAT. THE.

MEN =/= WOMEN. STOP ARGUING. STOP IT! THERE IS NO BATHROOM.


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