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Conan Edogawa June 24th, 2010 5:45 AM

The Illusion is Revealed
 
I'm not sure if you have seen this yet but Serebii posted what Zorua and Zoroarks' ability Illusion does.
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Originally Posted by Serebii (Post 4211)
The latest issue of Nintendo Dream has provided new insights into the special Illusion ability that Zoroark & Zorua both have. This ability, as we knew previously, allows for Zorua/Zoroark to be transformed into another Pokémon when sent into battle, as seen with the special event when you capture Zoroark. However, prior to now, the details of the ability were not known. We now know the details of this ability. The ability allows for Zorua & Zoroark to be in the form of the Pokémon in second place in your party at the time of it being sent out. This means that if you have say Jigglypuff in the front of your party, Zorua & Zoroark would appear in battle as a Jigglypuff. As we know from before, it keeps its Dark-type, but its appearance and name will match the Pokémon of which it has an Illusion.
In addition to those details, it provided a massive image of the Isshu region, showing more areas than the images so far. It doesn't provide new details but does show an airfield and speculates that there is an airport in the game and various places such as a theme park, windmills, ancient ruins and what they think is a blast furnace. I have added the image to our Pre-Release Picture page. Click the picture to go to our ability page

What are your thoughts on it?

Cyberglass June 24th, 2010 5:59 AM

This could be an interesting fake-out tactic; for example, you could have Croagunk in your second position, and when the opponent tries a psychic type move on Zoroarc it won't work, plus you now have a free move and type advantage. So my opinion: could be deadly in certain circumstances. I wouldn't be surprised if the champion has one, since it seems to work best in a mixed-type group of pokemon.

I have a couple of questions, though. What happens if you switch to Zoroark in the middle of the battle? Will it still transform into the second Pokemon, or just the one behind it in the lineup (and what if it IS the second Pokemon)? And if it's alone on a team, will it transform at all?

Conan Edogawa June 24th, 2010 6:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyberglass (Post 5907517)
This could be an interesting fake-out tactic; for example, you could have Croagunk in your second position, and when the opponent tries a psychic type move on Zoroarc it won't work, plus you now have a free move and type advantage. So my opinion: could be deadly in certain circumstances. I wouldn't be surprised if the champion has one, since it seems to work best in a mixed-type group of pokemon.

I have a couple of questions, though. What happens if you switch to Zoroark in the middle of the battle? Will it still transform into the second Pokemon, or just the one behind it in the lineup (and what if it IS the second Pokemon)? And if it's alone on a team, will it transform at all?

I'm not sure what would happen in the first scenario you brought up, but I'm assuming that in the second there wouldn't be a transformation. The only time that I could see that happening is the event with the shiny trio from Johto.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty June 24th, 2010 6:23 AM

It...sounds kind-of useless, IMO. I mean, it'll be fun for the first few times, and doubtless the Champion will have one to trip you up, but after all of the hype around Zorua and Zoroark they've just turned out to be glorified Dittos. :|

What happens if they're the only Pokémon you have with you?

Ravecat June 24th, 2010 7:01 AM

But remember, this is just an ability.

It does more than most abilities.

Myles June 24th, 2010 8:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 5907838)
What I don't get is how, upon encountering the wild Zoroark, it can change into Entei in the battle we saw.
(I realise that Zoroark's event is subject to change.)

The ability is probadbly just 'modified' for that battle, because it's a special movie event Zoroark.

Anyway the ability sounds unique and interesting. May be a bit broken though. We shall see.

Conan Edogawa June 24th, 2010 8:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 5907838)
I'd like to think that this implies B/W's new abilities will be even more fleshed out than what we've got so far, but I'll be a skeptic on that for a little bit.

What I don't get is how, upon encountering the wild Zoroark, it can change into Entei in the battle we saw.
(I realise that Zoroark's event is subject to change.)

This may help you, taken directly from Serebii:

With the new downloads of the beasts; Entei, Raikou & Suicune in Japan to tie in with the upcoming movie, further details have been revealed about the in-game Zoroark event. As we stated last month, when you bring the beasts to Black & White through the Transfer Machine, you will get access to Zoroark in an as-of-yet undisclosed location in Isshu. This battle with Zoroark has you first face against an Illusion of one of the beasts. Previously, we didn't know what causes Zoroark to change form, but a pamphlet with the download has since confirmed it.
If you send over Raikou, Zoroark will appear as Entei.
If you send over Entei, Zoroark will appear as Suicune.
If you send over Suicune, Zoroark will appear as Raikou.
It is still not currently known how Zoroark's Illusion ability will work outside of this special event. The pamphlet also further confirmed the fact that Zorua & Zoroark can only be obtained through these special events. We'll bring more as it comes
.

Rengoku June 24th, 2010 8:47 AM

The latest issue of Nintendo Dream has provided new insights into the special Illusion ability that Zoroark & Zorua both have. This ability, as we knew previously, allows for Zorua/Zoroark to be transformed into another Pokémon when sent into battle, as seen with the special event when you capture Zoroark. However, prior to now, the details of the ability were not known. We now know the details of this ability. The ability allows for Zorua & Zoroark to be in the form of the Pokémon in second place in your party at the time of it being sent out. This means that if you have say Jigglypuff in the front of your party, Zorua & Zoroark would appear in battle as a Jigglypuff. As we know from before, it keeps its Dark-type, but its appearance and name will match the Pokémon of which it has an Illusion.

From Serebii.

Eternal Nightmare June 24th, 2010 3:18 PM

It seems like a rather intriquing ability of you ask me. And like some one all the way above said it could be a good use at fakeing out. Zoroark has the potential to be a huge threat if used correctly in seasoned teams, that is if its stats are up to par which I really believe they are.

MistahDude June 24th, 2010 4:14 PM

I dont really see it being that much of a problem.

Jerme June 24th, 2010 4:48 PM

wait, so will we even get to use them? or will the sprite always be the second pokemon?

Arc June 24th, 2010 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerme (Post 5909209)
wait, so will we even get to use them? or will the sprite always be the second pokemon?

Its most likely when Zorua/Zoroark take enough damage, they will revert back to their original form.

Ravecat June 24th, 2010 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rilence (Post 5907924)
The latest issue of Nintendo Dream has provided new insights into the special Illusion ability that Zoroark & Zorua both have. This ability, as we knew previously, allows for Zorua/Zoroark to be transformed into another Pokémon when sent into battle, as seen with the special event when you capture Zoroark. However, prior to now, the details of the ability were not known. We now know the details of this ability. The ability allows for Zorua & Zoroark to be in the form of the Pokémon in second place in your party at the time of it being sent out. This means that if you have say Jigglypuff in the front of your party, Zorua & Zoroark would appear in battle as a Jigglypuff. As we know from before, it keeps its Dark-type, but its appearance and name will match the Pokémon of which it has an Illusion.

From Serebii.

Try reading the thread before you post.

Or even the first post.

Volroc June 24th, 2010 9:35 PM

i find it worthless
not even worth my time
ill just collect the pokemon, and PC them
its not even interestin, sure you can fake out,but once your discovered
its over.

Calder June 24th, 2010 9:38 PM

What happens when you have only 1 Pokemon with you...

Azure-Supernova June 25th, 2010 1:33 AM

Got me thinking about how it's used... maybe there'll bee abilties and moves that can counter it though?

Charmageddon June 25th, 2010 3:27 AM

Does the opponent see the transformation or not?

If Zoroark is sent out as Zoroark, and then transforms, then the ability is useless competitively, it's just a gimmick.

However if the transformation is unseen, so Zoroark is sent out in the form of, say, a Croagunk, and you have no idea that it's not a Croagunk until you use a Psychic move on it, then the ability is broken and will probably be banned.

Calder June 25th, 2010 3:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Charmageddon (Post 5910347)
Does the opponent see the transformation or not?

If Zoroark is sent out as Zoroark, and then transforms, then the ability is useless competitively, it's just a gimmick.

However if the transformation is unseen, so Zoroark is sent out in the form of, say, a Croagunk, and you have no idea that it's not a Croagunk until you use a Psychic move on it, then the ability is broken and will probably be banned.

Well its gonna do what it did in the video...it will fade from the transformation to Zoro and back again...Not sure how much but yeah

Agent Clank June 25th, 2010 10:43 AM

I kinda like the idea.
but I would just like to use the zoroark sprite instead of using the 2nd pokemon's sprite.
Cause I am Very excited for this Pokemon and I would like to see it when I send it out instead of seeing my 2nd pokemon..

Tanaki June 25th, 2010 11:34 AM

It's a nice ability. I'll love to see how strategies will evolve using Zoroark since I anticipate many people to noobishly use him in every single battle when the game comes out, and I'm not gonna lie, I probably will too. This means that now guessing which pokemon is actually out will be the biggest factor in every online match. However this ability does not gain an overpowering advantage over the opponent as you will probably only be able to fool your opponent if Zoroark is disguised as a pokemon that does not have an ability that expressly activates itself during certain conditions like intimidate or sychronize. This will most likely mean that in Gen V most standard online matches will basically start with a gamble. Use a fighting-type to hopefully eliminate Zoroark, or call the bluff.

Jerme June 25th, 2010 12:26 PM

will the name change too? when i send it out with the 2nd pkm being shuckle, will it say "Trainer sent out shuckle!"?

Blueknight June 25th, 2010 12:28 PM

I'm gong to be sure to have gengar in my 2nd party slot.

iPowers June 25th, 2010 12:30 PM

this would be pretty cool but I hope it isn't their only ability. It'd be cool to have a dual ability so it can learn something else.

Charmageddon June 25th, 2010 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Calder (Post 5910362)
Well its gonna do what it did in the video...it will fade from the transformation to Zoro and back again...Not sure how much but yeah

So you'll be able to see that it's Zoroark? OK, then the ability is a gimmick. Fun, but completely and utterly useless.

Shuckleman June 25th, 2010 4:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerme (Post 5911384)
will the name change too? when i send it out with the 2nd pkm being shuckle, will it say "Trainer sent out shuckle!"?

99% sure that it's like that.

It WAS shown in the video like that, right? (I think so, cant remember though)


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