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I really want 2-4 more dragon type combos really.
Dragon/Ice Dragon/Grass Dragon/Bug Dragon/----- Then I'm sick of dragons. 1st generation gave us 3. GSC only gave us 1. RSE gave us 6 and DPPt gave us 6, and according to rumors, 12 for BW. yikes. But seriously, I really hope the 3rd legend is Dragon/Ice. That could be my new favorite pokemon. |
well i mean a legendary bug pokemon? it just sounds weak. legendary pokemon are supposed to be strong so many of them are givin the dragon type because dragon type pokemon generally have good stats and there are many good dragon moves out there. alsp most legendaires have two types and zekrom is dragon,electric type so theres ur electric
also if you really want a cool bug/electric pokemon get a Denchura it is a tarantula looking pokemon and its typing is bug,electric =D |
Im guessing that it would be that #646 would be the 3rd legendary since it is dragon/ice type; it would complete the dragon/fire, dragon/electric trio. The only thing that is left to determine is what the pokemon looks like
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Yes I agree with you too. It will probs be called pokemon grey or something. |
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Also the Ice/Dragon was predictable so I'm guessing the predictable name for the third game might come true too :) |
Gen 3's dragons are the ones to beat. The were awesome! with the most loveable designs. Look at the variety in then. Jet dragons, Bug dragons a bird dragon and a dragony dragon <3
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I doubt it will be dragon ice, since then it would be weak to reshiram :/
probably there wont be any 3rd legendary, theyll just throw in something else, like some random legendary :P |
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@Everyone banging on and on about Dragon-type legendaries: Legendary Pokemon are legendary. Dragons are legendary.
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I dunno, I think a green cobra would have been boring, especially after Rayquaza. I prefer thinking it'll be the ice/dragon instead (which is totally what I thought all along, but my thoughts got influenced by rumours).
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well, i think the 3rd game mascot (if any) would be that Dragon/Ice pokemon spoken of in serebii.net, it sounds plausible but ridiculous if it were to be a green serpant with blue wings, wouldnt it?
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For some reason, I have a feeling it's gonna be a Dragon/Normal type.
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http://i52.*.com/213g1g5.jpg (made by el-grimlock) ^o^ ooh id kill my self to catch this one @forever rayqaza was a serpent, this should be a cobra!!!! yeahhhhh ;) it so much cooler. |
I would much prefer the third game having a really different story and the legendary being one of the trio's (not the trio including Reshiram and Zekrom). Much like Crystal did with its legendary being Suicune. Platinum was way too much like Diamond and Pearl story wise, with just a few things/characters added. Emerald did a good job having the player face both Team Aqua and Team Magma but it was still lacking in originality. Crystal in my opinion changed many things over Gold and Silver and this improved the game.
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I can see BW getting 9 dragons. 3 for the mascot legendaries, 3 for kibago and it's evos, and 3 for the rumored Dragon/Dark legend. |
i think BW is going to contain 12 new dragons im not sure if thats rite but i sure hope its =D
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Aww, I thought the discussion of the amount of legends was over. :( Discus it in the New Legendaries thread.
And nooo, cobra is green. ;; I want white...or grey looking for the mascot :D |
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Not sure if it's been already announced but I speculate that the game will be called Pokemon Grey.
It won't be Zorua fox thing. I imagine in keeping with the legendaries for Black and White, one of the unannounced legendaries will be grey and so will be on the cover. |
It will be the Ice/Dragon as that's the most logical out of them plus it's not part of another trio and isn't an event pokemon leading me to think that it's that one :)
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Ok, the Dragon Ice confounds me. It is set up like a third, but its attack list doesn't match up the way it is supposed to and its base stat total is less than Zekrom and Reshiram's.
This thing is driving me crazy. Level[c]Reshiram[c]Zekrom[c]Kyuremu[c] [ -- ][c]Fire Fang[c]Thunder Fang[c]Icy Wind[c] [ -- ][c]Dragon Rage[c]Dragon Rage[c]Dragon Rage[c] [8][c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c] [15][c]Ancient Power[c]Ancient Power[c]Ancient Power[c] [22][c]Flamethrower[c]Thunderbolt[c]Icebeam[c] [29][c]Dragon Breath[c]Dragon Breath[c]Dragon Breath[c] [36][c]Slash[c]Slash[c]Slash[c] [43][c]Extrasensory[c]Zen Headbutt[c]Scary Face[c] [50][c]Unknown[c]Unknown[c]Unknown[c] [54][c]Dragon Pulse[c]Dragon Claw[c]Dragon Pulse[c] [64][c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c] [71][c]Crunch[c]Crunch[c]Endeavor[c] [78][c]Fire Blast[c]Thunder[c]Blizzard[c] [85][c]Outrage[c]Outrage[c]Outrage[c] [92][c]Hyper voice[c]Huper Voice[c]Hyper Voice[c] [100][c]Unkown[c]Unknown[c]NO ATTACK Ok so out of 16 attacks, 12 match up fine. The other 3 that the Ice does have don't match up. It may actually be 11 and not 12 cause there is still the unknown attack. So what the hell is Kyuremu compared to Zekrom and Reshiam? Their base stat total is 685 and Kyuremu is 660. I know that Rayquaza is different, but Rayquaza was the master of his trio so his extra 10 is valid, but this dragon is too weak and doesn't match well. What the hell? |
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The Lv 50 attacks are Cross Thunder and Cross Flame, I brain farted on those two, but dunno what the new attack is for the Ice one. If it isn't Cross Frost/Ice or something like that, then there is heavy doubt as to whether if this is a Trio. Right now it doesn't fit well with them. |
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Well regardless they will be seen as a trio by some fans...
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Why still talk about this when its obviously that one with the long tail on a sort of cloud with all of those form changes..... I knew it the first time I seen the complete dex
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Btw. I seriously doubt that the ice dragon will be the thrid legendary, first of all it doent fits with the rest in the yin-yang story (and it looks ugly) probably we will have only dual legendary here, and the 3rd version mascot will be one of the trio pokemon. |
I doubt it would be a Pokemon that we already know about. It'll be a completely new legendary. If they come out with a new game, they are going to want to make it look like something we don't have already, so they aren't going to put a Pokemon that we already have on the box art.
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I agree with Magmaruby, the third game mascot will be the Ice Dragon. It is also a mechanical looking dragon. They do not always have to be perfectly aligned stat wise, look at G/S/C Suicune was the third game mascot and his stats are completely different. |
I am one that sees Qurem (Kyuremu) as part of the trio. I'm thinking that he will get a form change, a slightly different moveset, and a stat boost in the 3rd game.
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Has anyone considered that it may not be the Ice/Dragon at all? Although it seems plausible, the statistics and alignment are way off compared to Zekrom/Reshiram.
I am 98% certain they added an Ice/Dragon type due to popular demand and/or for the convenience of it. Another Forme is possible ala Giratina, but I'm highly doubting it at this point. |
We can certainly expect the third mascot to be a Dragon-type, with an elemental secondary type (Fire, Electric, Water, Ice, etc.). Kyuuremu could be suspected, though with a change of forme; a more humanoid form, like Reshiram and Zekrom.
I could also see Reshiram and Zekrom fusing... now THAT would be cool ;D |
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I doubt there will be a third game on DS platform especially with the latest rumor flying around wherein 3DS being released in november 22nd in the west.
I personally am excited for the prospect of pokemon game on the new handheld with fully rendered 3D environments/sprites, can't wait! |
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At first I thought that the Ice/Dragon was obvious, but when you look at the stats and movepool... let's not forget that a third Pokemon would somewhat hinder the yin/yang theme they have going on. I can't help but think that the third game legendary will not be the third member of a trio at all - I believe that Reshiram and Zekrom are a duo, not two parts of a trio. I suspect that we will see a different story, and the boxart Pokemon will be an unrelated (or tangentially related) legendary, like Suicine was for Crystal after the Ho-oh/Lugia duo of Gold and Silver.
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So that might be what they'll do here. Two unrelated and the other. So maybe it'll be about the Reijins. Maybe the the Ground/Flying one since it's after Zeckrom. Currently, it's Reshiram>Kyuremu=Zeckrom |
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The Third will be about the Ice/Dragon, just watch.
The Ice/Dragon represents the Ice Age- before human civilization started. In human terms, Technology (Zekrom), and an environment conducive to Human use, aka Nature (Reshiram) were made possible by the end of the last Ice Age (The Ice Dragon). What would be the quickest way to bring about the end of human civilization, and to subjugate Nature? An Ice Age. |
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So this could ultimately be the reason why it's base stat total is not up to par with Reshiram and Zekrom's. It simply did not need that much power back then. Which is why this leads me to believe it will have another form but the exact opposite of how Giratina's forms work. It will be in it's Origin Form for Black and White. But in the 3rd game it will be obtainable in it's Advanced/Altered Form and it's base stat total will increase to 680 in this form equalizing Reshiram and Zekrom's total. It may also even learn a couple of new moves in this process, who knows. Pokemon can really go all out on this. Let's just hope they will! :D |
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But this would make absolutely no sense. It would need to be stronger in the future not weaker. Considering that it will clash with Reshiram and Zekrom. |
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I think its the ice/dragon ledgendery that is at lv 75~
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Why would it get even more weaker when it already is weaker then it's counterparts. It only makes sense for it to get stronger or remain the same. |
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And if it actually does become weaker than think about how much that would totally suck. I mean seriously, if this Pokemon is going to be the cover of the Third 5th Gen Pokemon Game there's absolutely no reason why the creators would make it weaker. Quote:
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Well Magikarp was said to have gotten weaker over time, I'm giving examples that pokemon can and have weakened over time in game. |
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They will use it's new/altered/advanced whatever you want to call it form, that will be introduced in the 3rd game lol. |
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But who knows, it may not even have another form. Only time will tell. |
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yeah we have to wait some Dialga before the third game comes out... |
Let's look at it this way, Reshiram represents "light" and Zekrom represents "dark." I look at "light and darkness" as "heaven and hell."
The thing that can be related to those are something that is living, something that does not belong to both places. "Life" is a perfect term to describe something like that. Probably a pokemon that represents "life" is a perfect third game legendary. |
Also the third could represent nothingness, a place which is in neither light or dark but is a white colored waste land...that sounds like Ice...light is fire, Dark is lighting (like a haunted mansion or hell) and Ice is the nothingness...the ever lasting nothingness so I think it's the Ice/Dragon pokemon is going to be the Mascot :)
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It could possible be one of the genies. Zekrom and Reshiram separate it in the Pokedex. That doesn't necessarily mean anything but normally the trios are all next to each other.
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Dragon/Ice has Pressure, while the other two have special abilities that seem to be Mold Breaker like. There really isn't anything game wise to link this Pokemon with the other two at all.
All the facts point against it being a third, I just don't see how it can be a third at all now. Also the bit about them growing weaker, that was just flavor text to give them history. Magikarp will always be extremely weak until it evolves into Gyarados. For Regigigas, its history flavor explains its Slow Start ability. There are other Pokemon that apparently existed for many year and didn't lose power, Claydol, the Super Ancients Rayquaza, Kyogre, Groudon. For the Third Mascot clash for G/S/C, they just chose the Beast that had the greatest fan base and made a story around it. Suicune was liked the most out of the three, so they made a story centering around it. Yellow was made roughly the same way, the Anime was such a big hit that they tried to relate the Anime into the Game by making an Ash like playable character scenario. R/S/E Rayquaza was mentioned in R/S as the Pokemon able to quell the other two Super Ancients, but was never shown in game to they gave it its own game and merged the stories together. D/P/Pt was made to mimic Giratina's involvement from the Movie, Giratina and the Sky Warrior. Giratina wasn't even thought of as a member of their trio until Platinum came out. Before that, it was heavily debated rumor that they were a trio that had very little evidence (more than now though) to help it. If the Ice/Dragon doesn't have a signature Ice version to Cross Thunder or Cross Flame or something new that JUST it has, it seems extremely unlikely that it would be a third. If it is, its like I said, just a random throw in. |
Your point about Suicune being chosen for G/S/C proves against the point you are trying to make Xander0. So what that the Ice/dragon pokemon's stats and abilities aren't too similar to the Zekrom/Reshiram! the fact is that it looks extremely similar and is the most realistic and obvious choice and out of all the other legends it would make the most sense if it were as the 3rd game mascot .
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And no, Second Gen didn't have any other Legends to use that weren't event. Using it doesn't hurt the argument unless the person arguing against doesn't know anything about Pokemon or the history. Suicune also was part of the Beast Trio and isn't even considered to be equal to the Legendary Bird DUO of G/S Only two games that can be easily compared to are R/S/E series where it was written in before Emerald, and This set is still argued today to be a Duo with a Master, but has insufficient evidence to back it up, rather than a Trio with a self ruling Master. And D/P/Pt which pulled a R/B/Y and based the third Game off of the Anime/Movies. IF the dragon can relate to them, it will be in Black and White's history for it. So far, the Dragon/Ice has been shown but hasn't been given any info on relation to them. Only that you find it near a lake that suddenly freezes. Its ability not relating, lower stat which ALL TRIOS ARE EQUAL with exception to Rayquaza because he is a Master, AND not having a perfectly matching attack list to the other two, this all says that fan speculation has very low chance for success. What I'm trying to say is I don't believe its a Trio. As for Mascots, any NON Event Legend can be the Mascot. We don't even know what the name of the third game would be and would have to wait 2 years before anything could be hinted. |
If it hasn't already been said, I think I figured it out. Zekrom represents technology, and Reshiram represents nature, right? We can all basically agree on that?
Well supposedly the story behind Insekuta is that it was an ancient bug pokemon modified by Team Plasma. So it's like nature and technology combined! I didn't look at it's stats yet to compare them, but that makes sense to me. I would definitely want it to be the third legendary, so it gets a more detailed story behind it in the third game. |
it doesnt have to have a special ability.
palkia and dailga had pressure, and so did giritina, but when it was in origin form it had levitate. so the third one having pressure is fine, since its not the main story line legend. like BLACK AND WHITE. thats just my two cents. |
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Giratina still has the perfect match up attack list, Pokemon stat (680) and ability match ups with Dialga and Palkia. |
Maybe Victini is the third game legend. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
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I would very much like them to pull a Crystal and use another Legendary, someone that's very much unrelated to the two Dragon mascots.
I can't see GF using Victini or any of the last 3 legendaries as mascots, simply because I don't think they have anything that relates to the two Dragons, (for example, Suicune was one of the legendary dogs, whom related back to Oh-Ho) and the fact that they're single Legendaries, not being part of any duo or trio. If any of them are going to be used as a third game mascot, it'll be the Ice/Dragon or someone from the other two, confirmed trios. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they perhaps broke the idea of a single Pokemon being the mascot of one version, and perhaps used an entire trio. That would be nice for a change if you ask me. |
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Also the third one has Grey parts to it's body which is speculated to be the third game (though that rock/fighting dog is too) is part dragon, they are trying to remake the Fire/lighting/Ice trio and if it does gain another forme it's special ability would be something like theirs, also they might have given it weaker stats and diffrent ability to make it less predictable... |
We'll know more about what creature is likely to be the Third Version Mascot (if we can even tell) once we have translations of important dialogue. As people are mentioning concepts of "Yin and Yang" and "Technology and Nature", I am also familiar with one element that works in nicely with both: Balance. My knowledge of Eastern lore is rather limited, but I believe the point of yin and yang is to strike a balance, and when balance is lost, to try and regain it. Should Team Plasma (or the player) destroy that balance, then some creature would need to restore it.
Honestly, this myth of "Yin and Yang" is starting to grossly resemble RSE's Legendary myths more than any other regions'. Water, Land, and Sky (with Sky acting as the balance). Granted, if Reshiram is related to "Nature", I wonder what (if any) relation it has to Kyogre and Groudon, who are "builders of nature"? Reshiram and Zekrom even have the same base stat total as Rayquaza. Frankly, I'd like to believe that the Ice/Dragon makes a trio with Reshiram and Zekrom, but I don't believe there is sufficient information to support that. |
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I hope they wont make a third counterpart it would just ruin the balance -.- |
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It's most likely going to be one of the legendaries already revealed in THIS generation.
My bet is on Insekuta Victini |
reshiram+zekrom+........that creepy bug? dont you see it doesnt fit :/
I betcha it wont be a third counterpart but some of the other trio. |
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Ummm the bug is an event :L Which means that it will never ever be the third game mascot :| |
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It better not be one of those ridiculously hard to get events, or i'mma be pissed..... >_< |
Locking due to the same reason as the other third game thread.
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