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Blueknight September 11th, 2010 1:40 PM

I really want 2-4 more dragon type combos really.

Dragon/Ice
Dragon/Grass
Dragon/Bug
Dragon/-----

Then I'm sick of dragons. 1st generation gave us 3. GSC only gave us 1. RSE gave us 6 and DPPt gave us 6, and according to rumors, 12 for BW. yikes.

But seriously, I really hope the 3rd legend is Dragon/Ice. That could be my new favorite pokemon.

DragoniteAirMail September 11th, 2010 1:44 PM

well i mean a legendary bug pokemon? it just sounds weak. legendary pokemon are supposed to be strong so many of them are givin the dragon type because dragon type pokemon generally have good stats and there are many good dragon moves out there. alsp most legendaires have two types and zekrom is dragon,electric type so theres ur electric

also if you really want a cool bug/electric pokemon get a Denchura it is a tarantula looking pokemon and its typing is bug,electric =D

GlitchCity September 11th, 2010 2:22 PM

Im guessing that it would be that #646 would be the 3rd legendary since it is dragon/ice type; it would complete the dragon/fire, dragon/electric trio. The only thing that is left to determine is what the pokemon looks like

Volroc September 11th, 2010 3:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GlitchCity (Post 6147267)
Im guessing that it would be that #646 would be the 3rd legendary since it is dragon/ice type; it would complete the dragon/fire, dragon/electric trio. The only thing that is left to determine is what the pokemon looks like

damn ya beat me to it :cer_laugh:

King Gumball September 11th, 2010 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GlitchCity (Post 6147267)
Im guessing that it would be that #646 would be the 3rd legendary since it is dragon/ice type; it would complete the dragon/fire, dragon/electric trio. The only thing that is left to determine is what the pokemon looks like


Yes I agree with you too. It will probs be called pokemon grey or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2010 8:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueknight (Post 6147145)
I really want 2-4 more dragon type combos really.

Dragon/Ice
Dragon/Grass
Dragon/Bug
Dragon/-----

Then I'm sick of dragons. 1st generation gave us 3. GSC only gave us 1. RSE gave us 4 and DPPt gave us 6, and according to rumors, 12 for BW. yikes.

But seriously, I really hope the 3rd legend is Dragon/Ice. That could be my new favorite pokemon.

Gen 3 gave us 9 actually not 4...they were Vibrava, Flygon, Salamence family, Altaria, Rayquaza, Latios, and Latias and I should know just look at my user name (Hoenn lover) :)
Also the Ice/Dragon was predictable so I'm guessing the predictable name for the third game might come true too :)

King Gumball September 11th, 2010 8:11 PM

Gen 3's dragons are the ones to beat. The were awesome! with the most loveable designs. Look at the variety in then. Jet dragons, Bug dragons a bird dragon and a dragony dragon <3

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2010 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6148133)
Gen 3's dragons are the ones to beat. The were awesome! with the most loveable designs. Look at the variety in then. Jet dragons, Bug dragons a bird dragon and a dragony dragon <3

yeah
they were are, I hope that this third legend is like the gen 3 dragons :D

coolnick37 September 11th, 2010 10:29 PM

I doubt it will be dragon ice, since then it would be weak to reshiram :/
probably there wont be any 3rd legendary, theyll just throw in something else, like some random legendary :P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6148448)
I doubt it will be dragon ice, since then it would be weak to reshiram :/
probably there wont be any 3rd legendary, theyll just throw in something else, like some random legendary :P

...it's Dragon part makes it 1x so it's not super effective... plus look at Gen 3 where Groudon couldn't even attack Rayquaza with it's own type due to flying evading ground moves...also it's type matches as they would all be part dragon, and they make the Fire/Lighting/Ice dragon trio :)

Neelh September 11th, 2010 10:45 PM

@Everyone banging on and on about Dragon-type legendaries: Legendary Pokemon are legendary. Dragons are legendary.

coolnick37 September 11th, 2010 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6148452)

...it's Dragon part makes it 1x so it's not super effective... plus look at Gen 3 where Groudon couldn't even attack Rayquaza with it's own type due to flying evading ground moves...also it's type matches as they would all be part dragon, and they make the Fire/Lighting/Ice dragon trio :)

:,( nuuuuuh, what happened to the green cobra roumor. We need more snakes, since tsutajas final evo failed as a snake :(

Ho-Oh September 12th, 2010 12:13 AM

I dunno, I think a green cobra would have been boring, especially after Rayquaza. I prefer thinking it'll be the ice/dragon instead (which is totally what I thought all along, but my thoughts got influenced by rumours).

JirachiFan99 September 12th, 2010 1:02 AM

well, i think the 3rd game mascot (if any) would be that Dragon/Ice pokemon spoken of in serebii.net, it sounds plausible but ridiculous if it were to be a green serpant with blue wings, wouldnt it?

Scytha September 12th, 2010 1:22 AM

For some reason, I have a feeling it's gonna be a Dragon/Normal type.
=3

coolnick37 September 12th, 2010 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JirachiFan99 (Post 6148582)
well, i think the 3rd game mascot (if any) would be that Dragon/Ice pokemon spoken of in serebii.net, it sounds plausible but ridiculous if it were to be a green serpant with blue wings, wouldnt it?

Nu-uh, no blue wings, it should be something like this but with cobra head.

http://i52.*.com/213g1g5.jpg
(made by el-grimlock)
^o^ ooh id kill my self to catch this one

@forever rayqaza was a serpent, this should be a cobra!!!! yeahhhhh ;)
it so much cooler.

Silver Metagross September 12th, 2010 5:14 AM

I would much prefer the third game having a really different story and the legendary being one of the trio's (not the trio including Reshiram and Zekrom). Much like Crystal did with its legendary being Suicune. Platinum was way too much like Diamond and Pearl story wise, with just a few things/characters added. Emerald did a good job having the player face both Team Aqua and Team Magma but it was still lacking in originality. Crystal in my opinion changed many things over Gold and Silver and this improved the game.

Blueknight September 12th, 2010 7:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6148100)
Gen 3 gave us 9 actually not 4...they were Vibrava, Flygon, Salamence family, Altaria, Rayquaza, Latios, and Latias and I should know just look at my user name (Hoenn lover) :)
Also the Ice/Dragon was predictable so I'm guessing the predictable name for the third game might come true too :)

oh. Dang, how did I miss all those?

I can see BW getting 9 dragons. 3 for the mascot legendaries, 3 for kibago and it's evos, and 3 for the rumored Dragon/Dark legend.

DragoniteAirMail September 12th, 2010 7:27 AM

i think BW is going to contain 12 new dragons im not sure if thats rite but i sure hope its =D

Ho-Oh September 12th, 2010 7:31 AM

Aww, I thought the discussion of the amount of legends was over. :( Discus it in the New Legendaries thread.

And nooo, cobra is green. ;; I want white...or grey looking for the mascot :D

coolnick37 September 12th, 2010 8:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6149096)
Aww, I thought the discussion of the amount of legends was over. :( Discus it in the New Legendaries thread.

And nooo, cobra is green. ;; I want white...or grey looking for the mascot :D

It might end up being a rainbow pokemon(or has ho-oh already taken that one)

yossarian September 12th, 2010 10:50 AM

Not sure if it's been already announced but I speculate that the game will be called Pokemon Grey.

It won't be Zorua fox thing. I imagine in keeping with the legendaries for Black and White, one of the unannounced legendaries will be grey and so will be on the cover.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 12th, 2010 11:38 AM

It will be the Ice/Dragon as that's the most logical out of them plus it's not part of another trio and isn't an event pokemon leading me to think that it's that one :)

Xander Olivieri September 17th, 2010 2:56 PM

Ok, the Dragon Ice confounds me. It is set up like a third, but its attack list doesn't match up the way it is supposed to and its base stat total is less than Zekrom and Reshiram's.

This thing is driving me crazy.

Level[c]Reshiram[c]Zekrom[c]Kyuremu[c]
[ -- ][c]Fire Fang[c]Thunder Fang[c]Icy Wind[c]
[ -- ][c]Dragon Rage[c]Dragon Rage[c]Dragon Rage[c]
[8][c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]
[15][c]Ancient Power[c]Ancient Power[c]Ancient Power[c]
[22][c]Flamethrower[c]Thunderbolt[c]Icebeam[c]
[29][c]Dragon Breath[c]Dragon Breath[c]Dragon Breath[c]
[36][c]Slash[c]Slash[c]Slash[c]
[43][c]Extrasensory[c]Zen Headbutt[c]Scary Face[c]
[50][c]Unknown[c]Unknown[c]Unknown[c]
[54][c]Dragon Pulse[c]Dragon Claw[c]Dragon Pulse[c]
[64][c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]
[71][c]Crunch[c]Crunch[c]Endeavor[c]
[78][c]Fire Blast[c]Thunder[c]Blizzard[c]
[85][c]Outrage[c]Outrage[c]Outrage[c]
[92][c]Hyper voice[c]Huper Voice[c]Hyper Voice[c]
[100][c]Unkown[c]Unknown[c]NO ATTACK

Ok so out of 16 attacks, 12 match up fine. The other 3 that the Ice does have don't match up. It may actually be 11 and not 12 cause there is still the unknown attack.

So what the hell is Kyuremu compared to Zekrom and Reshiam?

Their base stat total is 685 and Kyuremu is 660.

I know that Rayquaza is different, but Rayquaza was the master of his trio so his extra 10 is valid, but this dragon is too weak and doesn't match well. What the hell?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 3:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6162038)
Ok, the Dragon Ice confounds me. It is set up like a third, but its attack list doesn't match up the way it is supposed to and its base stat total is less than Zekrom and Reshiram's.

This thing is driving me crazy.

Level[c]Reshiram[c]Zekrom[c]Kyuremu[c]
[ -- ][c]Fire Fang[c]Thunder Fang[c]Icy Wind[c]
[ -- ][c]Dragon Rage[c]Dragon Rage[c]Dragon Rage[c]
[8][c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]
[15][c]Ancient Power[c]Ancient Power[c]Ancient Power[c]
[22][c]Flamethrower[c]Thunderbolt[c]Icebeam[c]
[29][c]Dragon Breath[c]Dragon Breath[c]Dragon Breath[c]
[36][c]Slash[c]Slash[c]Slash[c]
[43][c]Extrasensory[c]Zen Headbutt[c]Scary Face[c]
[50][c]Unknown[c]Unknown[c]Unknown[c]
[54][c]Dragon Pulse[c]Dragon Claw[c]Dragon Pulse[c]
[64][c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]Imprison[c]
[71][c]Crunch[c]Crunch[c]Endeavor[c]
[78][c]Fire Blast[c]Thunder[c]Blizzard[c]
[85][c]Outrage[c]Outrage[c]Outrage[c]
[92][c]Hyper voice[c]Huper Voice[c]Hyper Voice[c]
[100][c]Unkown[c]Unknown[c]NO ATTACK

Ok so out of 16 attacks, 12 match up fine. The other 3 that the Ice does have don't match up. It may actually be 11 and not 12 cause there is still the unknown attack.

So what the hell is Kyuremu compared to Zekrom and Reshiam?

Their base stat total is 685 and Kyuremu is 660.

I know that Rayquaza is different, but Rayquaza was the master of his trio so his extra 10 is valid, but this dragon is too weak and doesn't match well. What the hell?

Well what I'm thinking is that Kyuremu will be like Giratina and get another forme and in this forme it will gain 25 extra to it's base stats and not just redistributed like Giratina's were.

Xander Olivieri September 17th, 2010 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6162049)

Well what I'm thinking is that Kyuremu will be like Giratina and get another forme and in this forme it will gain 25 extra to it's base stats and not just redistributed like Giratina's were.

Seriously doubting that. Plus it doesn't explain why it doesn't have a perfect matching Attack list like all the Trios have. All the other Trios have attack lists that fit perfectly together even when they have different moves in their place. Scary Face is not Zen Headbutt or Extrasensory equivalent and Icy Wind? Why not Ice Fang and balance it out?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6162057)
Seriously doubting that. Plus it doesn't explain why it doesn't have a perfect matching Attack list like all the Trios have. All the other Trios have attack lists that fit perfectly together even when they have different moves in their place. Scary Face is not Zen Headbutt or Extrasensory equivalent and Icy Wind? Why not Ice Fang and balance it out?

Hmm well they are not all balanced out check the other trios, like the bird trio.

Xander Olivieri September 17th, 2010 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6162070)

Hmm well they are not all balanced out check the other trios, like the bird trio.

The Birds are perfectly aligned. There are cases when two learn status and the third learns an attacking attack, but it changes the order two attacks down. They are balanced perfectly.

StratusJm September 17th, 2010 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6162070)
Hmm well they are not all balanced out check the other trios, like the bird trio.

the stats are what is bugging me though.. 25 points between zekrom/reshiram and the ice dragon? its strange. but maybe there is a reason for it. of course it could just be a random dragon and there might not actually be a dragon trio

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6162090)
The Birds are perfectly aligned. There are cases when two learn status and the third learns an attacking attack, but it changes the order two attacks down. They are balanced perfectly.

It's the same for the Dragon trio...also look at it, it looks half Mecha and half natural!

Xander Olivieri September 17th, 2010 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6162100)

It's the same for the Dragon trio...also look at it, it looks half Mecha and half natural!

The Ice Dragon doesn't match up perfectly with Zekrom and Reshiram at all. Endeavor when it should have had Crunch? Scary Face in place of a damaging Psychic attack? Icy Wind instead of Ice Fang? And its Missing a level 100 Attack.

The Lv 50 attacks are Cross Thunder and Cross Flame, I brain farted on those two, but dunno what the new attack is for the Ice one. If it isn't Cross Frost/Ice or something like that, then there is heavy doubt as to whether if this is a Trio. Right now it doesn't fit well with them.

StratusJm September 17th, 2010 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6162121)
The Ice Dragon doesn't match up perfectly with Zekrom and Reshiram at all. Endeavor when it should have had Crunch? Scary Face in place of a damaging Psychic attack? Icy Wind instead of Ice Fang? And its Missing a level 100 Attack.

The Lv 50 attacks are Cross Thunder and Cross Flame, I brain farted on those two, but dunno what the new attack is for the Ice one. If it isn't Cross Frost/Ice or something like that, then there is heavy doubt as to whether if this is a Trio. Right now it doesn't fit well with them.

i'm not sure if they are a trio either. or at least an equal trio. someone suggested the ice one could be a minion of zekrom/reshiram and im beginning to think that may be the case

Xander Olivieri September 17th, 2010 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StratusJm (Post 6162142)
i'm not sure if they are a trio either. or at least an equal trio. someone suggested the ice one could be a minion of zekrom/reshiram and im beginning to think that may be the case

That would have been me. Seeing as its stats and even its attack list is weaker than Zekrom and Reshiram, I came to that conclusion.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 3:43 PM

Well regardless they will be seen as a trio by some fans...

vkeychain September 17th, 2010 6:28 PM

Why still talk about this when its obviously that one with the long tail on a sort of cloud with all of those form changes..... I knew it the first time I seen the complete dex

coolnick37 September 17th, 2010 9:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vkeychain (Post 6162542)
Why still talk about this when its obviously that one with the long tail on a sort of cloud with all of those form changes..... I knew it the first time I seen the complete dex

-.-. those are 3 different pokemon, they only look alike.
Btw. I seriously doubt that the ice dragon will be the thrid legendary, first of all it doent fits with the rest in the yin-yang story (and it looks ugly) probably we will have only dual legendary here, and the 3rd version mascot will be one of the trio pokemon.

MrsNorrington September 17th, 2010 9:49 PM

I doubt it would be a Pokemon that we already know about. It'll be a completely new legendary. If they come out with a new game, they are going to want to make it look like something we don't have already, so they aren't going to put a Pokemon that we already have on the box art.

SIN1488 September 17th, 2010 9:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsNorrington (Post 6162870)
I doubt it would be a Pokemon that we already know about. It'll be a completely new legendary. If they come out with a new game, they are going to want to make it look like something we don't have already, so they aren't going to put a Pokemon that we already have on the box art.

Yeah I don't see why they just couldn't add Pokemon #650 before the third game comes out. But then again you could get Giratina in Diamond and Pearl, so IDK......

King Gumball September 18th, 2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsNorrington (Post 6162870)
I doubt it would be a Pokemon that we already know about. It'll be a completely new legendary. If they come out with a new game, they are going to want to make it look like something we don't have already, so they aren't going to put a Pokemon that we already have on the box art.

I highly highly doubt that will happen. There might be new form changes but no new pokemon. That has never before happened in pokemon. New pokemon only come out when a new region is released, never added to a previous region.

I agree with Magmaruby, the third game mascot will be the Ice Dragon. It is also a mechanical looking dragon. They do not always have to be perfectly aligned stat wise, look at G/S/C Suicune was the third game mascot and his stats are completely different.

BleuVII September 18th, 2010 12:34 AM

I am one that sees Qurem (Kyuremu) as part of the trio. I'm thinking that he will get a form change, a slightly different moveset, and a stat boost in the 3rd game.

Ragnar September 18th, 2010 9:06 AM

Has anyone considered that it may not be the Ice/Dragon at all? Although it seems plausible, the statistics and alignment are way off compared to Zekrom/Reshiram.

I am 98% certain they added an Ice/Dragon type due to popular demand and/or for the convenience of it. Another Forme is possible ala Giratina, but I'm highly doubting it at this point.

Esmas September 18th, 2010 11:04 AM

We can certainly expect the third mascot to be a Dragon-type, with an elemental secondary type (Fire, Electric, Water, Ice, etc.). Kyuuremu could be suspected, though with a change of forme; a more humanoid form, like Reshiram and Zekrom.

I could also see Reshiram and Zekrom fusing... now THAT would be cool ;D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BleuVII (Post 6163067)
I am one that sees Qurem (Kyuremu) as part of the trio. I'm thinking that he will get a form change, a slightly different move set, and a stat boost in the 3rd game.

I mentioned the same thing before in this thread, so I agree with you entirely it will go ala Giratina :D

allBlue September 18th, 2010 11:24 AM

I doubt there will be a third game on DS platform especially with the latest rumor flying around wherein 3DS being released in november 22nd in the west.
I personally am excited for the prospect of pokemon game on the new handheld with fully rendered 3D environments/sprites, can't wait!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by allBlue (Post 6164359)
I doubt there will be a third game on DS platform especially with the latest rumor flying around wherein 3DS being released in november 22nd in the west.
I personally am excited for the prospect of pokemon game on the new handheld with fully rendered 3D environments/sprites, can't wait!

Yeah I think so too, so the third game will come out next year or two years from now...

Mista T September 18th, 2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6163052)
I highly highly doubt that will happen. There might be new form changes but no new pokemon. That has never before happened in pokemon. New pokemon only come out when a new region is released, never added to a previous region.

Deoxys would like to have a word with you.

Charmageddon September 18th, 2010 11:39 AM

At first I thought that the Ice/Dragon was obvious, but when you look at the stats and movepool... let's not forget that a third Pokemon would somewhat hinder the yin/yang theme they have going on. I can't help but think that the third game legendary will not be the third member of a trio at all - I believe that Reshiram and Zekrom are a duo, not two parts of a trio. I suspect that we will see a different story, and the boxart Pokemon will be an unrelated (or tangentially related) legendary, like Suicine was for Crystal after the Ho-oh/Lugia duo of Gold and Silver.

Bluerang1 September 18th, 2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Charmageddon (Post 6164403)
At first I thought that the Ice/Dragon was obvious, but when you look at the stats and movepool... let's not forget that a third Pokemon would somewhat hinder the yin/yang theme they have going on. I can't help but think that the third game legendary will not be the third member of a trio at all - I believe that Reshiram and Zekrom are a duo, not two parts of a trio. I suspect that we will see a different story, and the boxart Pokemon will be an unrelated (or tangentially related) legendary, like Suicine was for Crystal after the Ho-oh/Lugia duo of Gold and Silver.

Hopefully. But that means that there isn't a reason for it to have been Dragon/Ice. Or is there. Maybe the third game will be based on the Ice Age. Suicune>Ho-Oh=Lugia

So that might be what they'll do here. Two unrelated and the other. So maybe it'll be about the Reijins. Maybe the the Ground/Flying one since it's after Zeckrom. Currently, it's Reshiram>Kyuremu=Zeckrom

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 6164413)
Hopefully. But that means that there isn't a reason for it to have been Dragon/Ice. Or is there. Maybe the third game will be based on the Ice Age. Suicune>Ho-Oh=Lugia

So that might be what they'll do here. Two unrelated and the other. So maybe it'll be about the Reijins. Maybe the the Ground/Flying one since it's after Zeckrom. Currently, it's Reshiram>Kyuremu=Zeckrom

Uh no it's Zekrom> Kyuremu= Reshiram as Zekrom is weak against Ice and Kyuremu is weak against fire but it's dragon half protects it and Reshiram is being part dragon is weak against ice but it's fire half protects it and Zekrom has no protection from Kyuremu...

Livewire September 18th, 2010 12:03 PM

The Third will be about the Ice/Dragon, just watch.

The Ice/Dragon represents the Ice Age- before human civilization started. In human terms, Technology (Zekrom), and an environment conducive to Human use, aka Nature (Reshiram) were made possible by the end of the last Ice Age (The Ice Dragon). What would be the quickest way to bring about the end of human civilization, and to subjugate Nature? An Ice Age.

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6164443)
The Third will be about the Ice/Dragon, just watch.

The Ice/Dragon represents the Ice Age- before human civilization started. In human terms, Technology (Zekrom), and an environment conducive to Human use, aka Nature (Reshiram) were made possible by the end of the last Ice Age (The Ice Dragon). What would be the quickest way to bring about the end of human civilization, and to subjugate Nature? An Ice Age.

This fits in perfectly to what I also believe. Kyuremu most likely came from a very, very distant past as Lime_Wire explains it indeed must be from the Ice-Age.

So this could ultimately be the reason why it's base stat total is not up to par with Reshiram and Zekrom's.

It simply did not need that much power back then. Which is why this leads me to believe it will have another form but the exact opposite of how Giratina's forms work.

It will be in it's Origin Form for Black and White. But in the 3rd game it will be obtainable in it's Advanced/Altered Form and it's base stat total will increase to 680 in this form equalizing Reshiram and Zekrom's total. It may also even learn a couple of new moves in this process, who knows.

Pokemon can really go all out on this. Let's just hope they will! :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164581)
This fits in perfectly to what I also believe. Kyuremu most likely came from a very, very distant past as Lime_Wire explains it indeed must be from the Ice-Age.

So this could ultimately be the reason why it's base stat total is not up to par with Reshiram and Zekrom's.

It simply did not need that much power back then. Which is why this leads me to believe it will have another form but the exact opposite of how Giratina's forms work.

It will be in it's Origin Form for Black and White. But in the 3rd game it will be obtainable in it's Advanced/Altered Form and it's base stat total will increase to 680 in this form equalizing Reshiram and Zekrom's total. It may also even learn a couple of new moves in this process, who knows.

Pokemon can really go all out on this. Let's just hope they will! :D

Or maybe it weakened over time and it's other forme is it's True or Origin forme...

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164586)
Or maybe it weakened over time and it's other forme is it's True or Origin forme...


But this would make absolutely no sense. It would need to be stronger in the future not weaker.

Considering that it will clash with Reshiram and Zekrom.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164596)
But this would make absolutely no sense. It would need to be stronger in the future not weaker.

Considering that it will clash with Reshiram and Zekrom.

Well it could have been asleep for ages in ice and weakened like Regigigas is said to have. If you haven't been awake for too long you would weaken, or it could have de evolved in a way or gained another weaker form as it didn't think it need that much power anymore...

Mew~ September 18th, 2010 1:05 PM

I think its the ice/dragon ledgendery that is at lv 75~

WildBolt September 18th, 2010 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164586)
Or maybe it weakened over time and it's other forme is it's True or Origin forme...

Yeah dude this doesn't make sense.

Why would it get even more weaker when it already is weaker then it's counterparts.

It only makes sense for it to get stronger or remain the same.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBolt (Post 6164608)
Yeah dude this doesn't make sense.

Why would it get even more weaker when it already is weaker then it's counterparts.

It only makes sense for it to get stronger or remain the same.

Things de evolve over time instead of evolve over time but maybe it did gain a stronger forme, only Dialga can tell, we will just have to wait...

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164604)

Well it could have been asleep for ages in ice and weakened like Regigigas is said to have. If you haven't been awake for too long you would weaken, or it could have de evolved in a way or gained another weaker form as it didn't think it need that much power anymore...

But you can't compare Regigigas to Kyuremu. They're completely different Pokemon.

And if it actually does become weaker than think about how much that would totally suck.

I mean seriously, if this Pokemon is going to be the cover of the Third 5th Gen Pokemon Game there's absolutely no reason why the creators would make it weaker.

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6164606)
I think its the ice/dragon ledgendery that is at lv 75~

Um yeahh, that's what people have been talking about the past couple of pages and what we're currently talking about..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164631)
But you can't compare Regigigas to Kyuremu. They're completely different Pokemon.

And if it actually does become weaker than think about how much that would totally suck.

I mean seriously, if this Pokemon is going to be the cover of the Third 5th Gen Pokemon Game there's absolutely no reason why the creators would make it weaker.


Um yeahh, that's what people have been talking about the past couple of pages..

They will use it's other forme for the Cover like they did for Giratina.
Well Magikarp was said to have gotten weaker over time, I'm giving examples that pokemon can and have weakened over time in game.

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 1:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164638)
They will use it's other forme for the Cover like they did for Giratina.
Well Magikarp was said to have gotten weaker over time, I'm giving examples that pokemon can and have weakened over time in game.

If it is going to be the cover in the next game they will not use it's form that it is currently in, in Black and White.

They will use it's new/altered/advanced whatever you want to call it form, that will be introduced in the 3rd game lol.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164651)
If it is going to be the cover in the next game they will not use it's form that it is currently in, in Black and White.

They will use it's new/altered/advanced whatever you want to call it form, that will be introduced in the 3rd game lol.

Isn't that what I said lol, of course they will use the other form like they did with Giratina :P

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164664)

Isn't that what I said lol, of course they will use the other form like they did with Giratina :P

Oh lol. I got mixed up because I thought you said before that it would remain in it's original form.

But who knows, it may not even have another form.

Only time will tell.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164678)
Oh lol. I got mixed up because I thought you said before that it would remain in it's original form.

But who knows, it may not even have another form.

Only time will tell.

Lol I said the only time can tell part too :P Only I put Dialga ;)
yeah we have to wait some Dialga before the third game comes out...

Bluemoon September 18th, 2010 2:29 PM

Let's look at it this way, Reshiram represents "light" and Zekrom represents "dark." I look at "light and darkness" as "heaven and hell."
The thing that can be related to those are something that is living, something that does not belong to both places. "Life" is a perfect term to describe something like that. Probably a pokemon that represents "life" is a perfect third game legendary.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 2:33 PM

Also the third could represent nothingness, a place which is in neither light or dark but is a white colored waste land...that sounds like Ice...light is fire, Dark is lighting (like a haunted mansion or hell) and Ice is the nothingness...the ever lasting nothingness so I think it's the Ice/Dragon pokemon is going to be the Mascot :)

King Gumball September 18th, 2010 4:38 PM

It could possible be one of the genies. Zekrom and Reshiram separate it in the Pokedex. That doesn't necessarily mean anything but normally the trios are all next to each other.

Xander Olivieri September 18th, 2010 4:42 PM

Dragon/Ice has Pressure, while the other two have special abilities that seem to be Mold Breaker like. There really isn't anything game wise to link this Pokemon with the other two at all.

All the facts point against it being a third, I just don't see how it can be a third at all now.

Also the bit about them growing weaker, that was just flavor text to give them history. Magikarp will always be extremely weak until it evolves into Gyarados. For Regigigas, its history flavor explains its Slow Start ability.

There are other Pokemon that apparently existed for many year and didn't lose power, Claydol, the Super Ancients Rayquaza, Kyogre, Groudon.

For the Third Mascot clash for G/S/C, they just chose the Beast that had the greatest fan base and made a story around it. Suicune was liked the most out of the three, so they made a story centering around it. Yellow was made roughly the same way, the Anime was such a big hit that they tried to relate the Anime into the Game by making an Ash like playable character scenario.

R/S/E Rayquaza was mentioned in R/S as the Pokemon able to quell the other two Super Ancients, but was never shown in game to they gave it its own game and merged the stories together.

D/P/Pt was made to mimic Giratina's involvement from the Movie, Giratina and the Sky Warrior. Giratina wasn't even thought of as a member of their trio until Platinum came out. Before that, it was heavily debated rumor that they were a trio that had very little evidence (more than now though) to help it.

If the Ice/Dragon doesn't have a signature Ice version to Cross Thunder or Cross Flame or something new that JUST it has, it seems extremely unlikely that it would be a third. If it is, its like I said, just a random throw in.

King Gumball September 18th, 2010 4:47 PM

Your point about Suicune being chosen for G/S/C proves against the point you are trying to make Xander0. So what that the Ice/dragon pokemon's stats and abilities aren't too similar to the Zekrom/Reshiram! the fact is that it looks extremely similar and is the most realistic and obvious choice and out of all the other legends it would make the most sense if it were as the 3rd game mascot .

Xander Olivieri September 18th, 2010 5:04 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6165336)
Your point about Suicune being chosen for G/S/C proves against the point you are trying to make Xander0. So what that the Ice/dragon pokemon's stats and abilities aren't too similar to the Zekrom/Reshiram! the fact is that it looks extremely similar and is the most realistic and obvious choice and out of all the other legends it would make the most sense if it were as the 3rd game mascot .

I completely disagree with you. It looks nothing like Zekrom nor Reshiram and seems the most unrealistic choice to be in their Trio.

And no, Second Gen didn't have any other Legends to use that weren't event. Using it doesn't hurt the argument unless the person arguing against doesn't know anything about Pokemon or the history. Suicune also was part of the Beast Trio and isn't even considered to be equal to the Legendary Bird DUO of G/S

Only two games that can be easily compared to are R/S/E series where it was written in before Emerald, and This set is still argued today to be a Duo with a Master, but has insufficient evidence to back it up, rather than a Trio with a self ruling Master. And D/P/Pt which pulled a R/B/Y and based the third Game off of the Anime/Movies.

IF the dragon can relate to them, it will be in Black and White's history for it. So far, the Dragon/Ice has been shown but hasn't been given any info on relation to them. Only that you find it near a lake that suddenly freezes.

Its ability not relating, lower stat which ALL TRIOS ARE EQUAL with exception to Rayquaza because he is a Master, AND not having a perfectly matching attack list to the other two, this all says that fan speculation has very low chance for success.

What I'm trying to say is I don't believe its a Trio. As for Mascots, any NON Event Legend can be the Mascot. We don't even know what the name of the third game would be and would have to wait 2 years before anything could be hinted.

SIN1488 September 18th, 2010 5:14 PM

If it hasn't already been said, I think I figured it out. Zekrom represents technology, and Reshiram represents nature, right? We can all basically agree on that?

Well supposedly the story behind Insekuta is that it was an ancient bug pokemon modified by Team Plasma. So it's like nature and technology combined! I didn't look at it's stats yet to compare them, but that makes sense to me. I would definitely want it to be the third legendary, so it gets a more detailed story behind it in the third game.

Xatumi September 18th, 2010 5:15 PM

it doesnt have to have a special ability.

palkia and dailga had pressure, and so did giritina, but when it was in origin form it had levitate.

so the third one having pressure is fine, since its not the main story line legend. like BLACK AND WHITE.

thats just my two cents.

Xander Olivieri September 18th, 2010 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Xatumi (Post 6165400)
it doesnt have to have a special ability.

palkia and dailga had pressure, and so did giritina, but when it was in origin form it had levitate.

so the third one having pressure is fine, since its not the main story line legend. like BLACK AND WHITE.

thats just my two cents.

Giratina still had Pressure. Most of the legends get Pressure as a Default ability and some of the Trios get abilities that link them together. The Super Ancients for example. They cause weather effects and erase weather effects.

Giratina still has the perfect match up attack list, Pokemon stat (680) and ability match ups with Dialga and Palkia.

Charizard★ September 18th, 2010 5:41 PM

Maybe Victini is the third game legend. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

JP September 18th, 2010 7:56 PM

I would very much like them to pull a Crystal and use another Legendary, someone that's very much unrelated to the two Dragon mascots.

I can't see GF using Victini or any of the last 3 legendaries as mascots, simply because I don't think they have anything that relates to the two Dragons, (for example, Suicune was one of the legendary dogs, whom related back to Oh-Ho) and the fact that they're single Legendaries, not being part of any duo or trio. If any of them are going to be used as a third game mascot, it'll be the Ice/Dragon or someone from the other two, confirmed trios. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they perhaps broke the idea of a single Pokemon being the mascot of one version, and perhaps used an entire trio. That would be nice for a change if you ask me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6165374)
I completely disagree with you. It looks nothing like Zekrom nor Reshiram and seems the most unrealistic choice to be in their Trio.

And no, Second Gen didn't have any other Legends to use that weren't event. Using it doesn't hurt the argument unless the person arguing against doesn't know anything about Pokemon or the history. Suicune also was part of the Beast Trio and isn't even considered to be equal to the Legendary Bird DUO of G/S

Only two games that can be easily compared to are R/S/E series where it was written in before Emerald, and This set is still argued today to be a Duo with a Master, but has insufficient evidence to back it up, rather than a Trio with a self ruling Master. And D/P/Pt which pulled a R/B/Y and based the third Game off of the Anime/Movies.

IF the dragon can relate to them, it will be in Black and White's history for it. So far, the Dragon/Ice has been shown but hasn't been given any info on relation to them. Only that you find it near a lake that suddenly freezes.

Its ability not relating, lower stat which ALL TRIOS ARE EQUAL with exception to Rayquaza because he is a Master, AND not having a perfectly matching attack list to the other two, this all says that fan speculation has very low chance for success.

What I'm trying to say is I don't believe its a Trio. As for Mascots, any NON Event Legend can be the Mascot. We don't even know what the name of the third game would be and would have to wait 2 years before anything could be hinted.

What do you mean DPPt pulled a RGBY? The giratina movie was made after the announcement of Pt...so it wasn't based on the anime...
Also the third one has Grey parts to it's body which is speculated to be the third game (though that rock/fighting dog is too) is part dragon, they are trying to remake the Fire/lighting/Ice trio and if it does gain another forme it's special ability would be something like theirs, also they might have given it weaker stats and diffrent ability to make it less predictable...

Maxite September 18th, 2010 8:58 PM

We'll know more about what creature is likely to be the Third Version Mascot (if we can even tell) once we have translations of important dialogue. As people are mentioning concepts of "Yin and Yang" and "Technology and Nature", I am also familiar with one element that works in nicely with both: Balance. My knowledge of Eastern lore is rather limited, but I believe the point of yin and yang is to strike a balance, and when balance is lost, to try and regain it. Should Team Plasma (or the player) destroy that balance, then some creature would need to restore it.

Honestly, this myth of "Yin and Yang" is starting to grossly resemble RSE's Legendary myths more than any other regions'. Water, Land, and Sky (with Sky acting as the balance).
Granted, if Reshiram is related to "Nature", I wonder what (if any) relation it has to Kyogre and Groudon, who are "builders of nature"? Reshiram and Zekrom even have the same base stat total as Rayquaza.

Frankly, I'd like to believe that the Ice/Dragon makes a trio with Reshiram and Zekrom, but I don't believe there is sufficient information to support that.

King Gumball September 18th, 2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6165374)
I completely disagree with you. It looks nothing like Zekrom nor Reshiram and seems the most unrealistic choice to be in their Trio.

And no, Second Gen didn't have any other Legends to use that weren't event. Using it doesn't hurt the argument unless the person arguing against doesn't know anything about Pokemon or the history. Suicune also was part of the Beast Trio and isn't even considered to be equal to the Legendary Bird DUO of G/S

Only two games that can be easily compared to are R/S/E series where it was written in before Emerald, and This set is still argued today to be a Duo with a Master, but has insufficient evidence to back it up, rather than a Trio with a self ruling Master. And D/P/Pt which pulled a R/B/Y and based the third Game off of the Anime/Movies.

IF the dragon can relate to them, it will be in Black and White's history for it. So far, the Dragon/Ice has been shown but hasn't been given any info on relation to them. Only that you find it near a lake that suddenly freezes.

Its ability not relating, lower stat which ALL TRIOS ARE EQUAL with exception to Rayquaza because he is a Master, AND not having a perfectly matching attack list to the other two, this all says that fan speculation has very low chance for success.

What I'm trying to say is I don't believe its a Trio. As for Mascots, any NON Event Legend can be the Mascot. We don't even know what the name of the third game would be and would have to wait 2 years before anything could be hinted.

Then what Pokemon do you think will be the mascot? I highly doubt it will be any of the other legends.

SIN1488 September 18th, 2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6166247)
Then what Pokemon do you think will be the mascot? I highly doubt it will be any of the other legends.

Come on people, if Reshiram represents nature and Zekrom represents technology, then surely the third one would be both combined, which is the bug legendary. >_<

coolnick37 September 19th, 2010 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6166368)
Come on people, if Reshiram represents nature and Zekrom represents technology, then surely the third one would be both combined, which is the bug legendary. >_<

o.o How does that bug represent nature, because its a bug xD
I hope they wont make a third counterpart it would just ruin the balance -.-

SIN1488 September 19th, 2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6166444)
o.o How does that bug represent nature, because its a bug xD

That is exactly why it represents nature! :P

Dooonerz September 19th, 2010 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6166485)
That is exactly why it represents nature! :P

I agree with you there, becuase bug does resemble nature/wildlife

SIN1488 September 19th, 2010 1:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dooonerz (Post 6166493)
I agree with you there, becuase bug does resemble nature/wildlife

Plus insects have existed alongside nature for a really long time.

Choroneko September 19th, 2010 1:22 AM

It's most likely going to be one of the legendaries already revealed in THIS generation.
My bet is on Insekuta Victini

coolnick37 September 19th, 2010 1:53 AM

reshiram+zekrom+........that creepy bug? dont you see it doesnt fit :/
I betcha it wont be a third counterpart but some of the other trio.

King Gumball September 19th, 2010 2:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6166368)
Come on people, if Reshiram represents nature and Zekrom represents technology, then surely the third one would be both combined, which is the bug legendary. >_<


Ummm the bug is an event :L Which means that it will never ever be the third game mascot :|

SIN1488 September 19th, 2010 4:57 AM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6166602)
Ummm the bug is an event :L Which means that it will never ever be the third game mascot :|

Then I guess that makes sense for it's ability to be download, since you have to download it. >_<

It better not be one of those ridiculously hard to get events, or i'mma be pissed..... >_<

Ho-Oh September 29th, 2010 3:13 AM

Locking due to the same reason as the other third game thread.


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