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zapdosa September 18th, 2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6164443)
The Third will be about the Ice/Dragon, just watch.

The Ice/Dragon represents the Ice Age- before human civilization started. In human terms, Technology (Zekrom), and an environment conducive to Human use, aka Nature (Reshiram) were made possible by the end of the last Ice Age (The Ice Dragon). What would be the quickest way to bring about the end of human civilization, and to subjugate Nature? An Ice Age.

This fits in perfectly to what I also believe. Kyuremu most likely came from a very, very distant past as Lime_Wire explains it indeed must be from the Ice-Age.

So this could ultimately be the reason why it's base stat total is not up to par with Reshiram and Zekrom's.

It simply did not need that much power back then. Which is why this leads me to believe it will have another form but the exact opposite of how Giratina's forms work.

It will be in it's Origin Form for Black and White. But in the 3rd game it will be obtainable in it's Advanced/Altered Form and it's base stat total will increase to 680 in this form equalizing Reshiram and Zekrom's total. It may also even learn a couple of new moves in this process, who knows.

Pokemon can really go all out on this. Let's just hope they will! :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164581)
This fits in perfectly to what I also believe. Kyuremu most likely came from a very, very distant past as Lime_Wire explains it indeed must be from the Ice-Age.

So this could ultimately be the reason why it's base stat total is not up to par with Reshiram and Zekrom's.

It simply did not need that much power back then. Which is why this leads me to believe it will have another form but the exact opposite of how Giratina's forms work.

It will be in it's Origin Form for Black and White. But in the 3rd game it will be obtainable in it's Advanced/Altered Form and it's base stat total will increase to 680 in this form equalizing Reshiram and Zekrom's total. It may also even learn a couple of new moves in this process, who knows.

Pokemon can really go all out on this. Let's just hope they will! :D

Or maybe it weakened over time and it's other forme is it's True or Origin forme...

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164586)
Or maybe it weakened over time and it's other forme is it's True or Origin forme...


But this would make absolutely no sense. It would need to be stronger in the future not weaker.

Considering that it will clash with Reshiram and Zekrom.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164596)
But this would make absolutely no sense. It would need to be stronger in the future not weaker.

Considering that it will clash with Reshiram and Zekrom.

Well it could have been asleep for ages in ice and weakened like Regigigas is said to have. If you haven't been awake for too long you would weaken, or it could have de evolved in a way or gained another weaker form as it didn't think it need that much power anymore...

Mew~ September 18th, 2010 1:05 PM

I think its the ice/dragon ledgendery that is at lv 75~

WildBolt September 18th, 2010 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164586)
Or maybe it weakened over time and it's other forme is it's True or Origin forme...

Yeah dude this doesn't make sense.

Why would it get even more weaker when it already is weaker then it's counterparts.

It only makes sense for it to get stronger or remain the same.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBolt (Post 6164608)
Yeah dude this doesn't make sense.

Why would it get even more weaker when it already is weaker then it's counterparts.

It only makes sense for it to get stronger or remain the same.

Things de evolve over time instead of evolve over time but maybe it did gain a stronger forme, only Dialga can tell, we will just have to wait...

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164604)

Well it could have been asleep for ages in ice and weakened like Regigigas is said to have. If you haven't been awake for too long you would weaken, or it could have de evolved in a way or gained another weaker form as it didn't think it need that much power anymore...

But you can't compare Regigigas to Kyuremu. They're completely different Pokemon.

And if it actually does become weaker than think about how much that would totally suck.

I mean seriously, if this Pokemon is going to be the cover of the Third 5th Gen Pokemon Game there's absolutely no reason why the creators would make it weaker.

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6164606)
I think its the ice/dragon ledgendery that is at lv 75~

Um yeahh, that's what people have been talking about the past couple of pages and what we're currently talking about..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164631)
But you can't compare Regigigas to Kyuremu. They're completely different Pokemon.

And if it actually does become weaker than think about how much that would totally suck.

I mean seriously, if this Pokemon is going to be the cover of the Third 5th Gen Pokemon Game there's absolutely no reason why the creators would make it weaker.


Um yeahh, that's what people have been talking about the past couple of pages..

They will use it's other forme for the Cover like they did for Giratina.
Well Magikarp was said to have gotten weaker over time, I'm giving examples that pokemon can and have weakened over time in game.

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 1:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164638)
They will use it's other forme for the Cover like they did for Giratina.
Well Magikarp was said to have gotten weaker over time, I'm giving examples that pokemon can and have weakened over time in game.

If it is going to be the cover in the next game they will not use it's form that it is currently in, in Black and White.

They will use it's new/altered/advanced whatever you want to call it form, that will be introduced in the 3rd game lol.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164651)
If it is going to be the cover in the next game they will not use it's form that it is currently in, in Black and White.

They will use it's new/altered/advanced whatever you want to call it form, that will be introduced in the 3rd game lol.

Isn't that what I said lol, of course they will use the other form like they did with Giratina :P

zapdosa September 18th, 2010 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6164664)

Isn't that what I said lol, of course they will use the other form like they did with Giratina :P

Oh lol. I got mixed up because I thought you said before that it would remain in it's original form.

But who knows, it may not even have another form.

Only time will tell.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zapdosa (Post 6164678)
Oh lol. I got mixed up because I thought you said before that it would remain in it's original form.

But who knows, it may not even have another form.

Only time will tell.

Lol I said the only time can tell part too :P Only I put Dialga ;)
yeah we have to wait some Dialga before the third game comes out...

Bluemoon September 18th, 2010 2:29 PM

Let's look at it this way, Reshiram represents "light" and Zekrom represents "dark." I look at "light and darkness" as "heaven and hell."
The thing that can be related to those are something that is living, something that does not belong to both places. "Life" is a perfect term to describe something like that. Probably a pokemon that represents "life" is a perfect third game legendary.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 2:33 PM

Also the third could represent nothingness, a place which is in neither light or dark but is a white colored waste land...that sounds like Ice...light is fire, Dark is lighting (like a haunted mansion or hell) and Ice is the nothingness...the ever lasting nothingness so I think it's the Ice/Dragon pokemon is going to be the Mascot :)

King Gumball September 18th, 2010 4:38 PM

It could possible be one of the genies. Zekrom and Reshiram separate it in the Pokedex. That doesn't necessarily mean anything but normally the trios are all next to each other.

Xander Olivieri September 18th, 2010 4:42 PM

Dragon/Ice has Pressure, while the other two have special abilities that seem to be Mold Breaker like. There really isn't anything game wise to link this Pokemon with the other two at all.

All the facts point against it being a third, I just don't see how it can be a third at all now.

Also the bit about them growing weaker, that was just flavor text to give them history. Magikarp will always be extremely weak until it evolves into Gyarados. For Regigigas, its history flavor explains its Slow Start ability.

There are other Pokemon that apparently existed for many year and didn't lose power, Claydol, the Super Ancients Rayquaza, Kyogre, Groudon.

For the Third Mascot clash for G/S/C, they just chose the Beast that had the greatest fan base and made a story around it. Suicune was liked the most out of the three, so they made a story centering around it. Yellow was made roughly the same way, the Anime was such a big hit that they tried to relate the Anime into the Game by making an Ash like playable character scenario.

R/S/E Rayquaza was mentioned in R/S as the Pokemon able to quell the other two Super Ancients, but was never shown in game to they gave it its own game and merged the stories together.

D/P/Pt was made to mimic Giratina's involvement from the Movie, Giratina and the Sky Warrior. Giratina wasn't even thought of as a member of their trio until Platinum came out. Before that, it was heavily debated rumor that they were a trio that had very little evidence (more than now though) to help it.

If the Ice/Dragon doesn't have a signature Ice version to Cross Thunder or Cross Flame or something new that JUST it has, it seems extremely unlikely that it would be a third. If it is, its like I said, just a random throw in.

King Gumball September 18th, 2010 4:47 PM

Your point about Suicune being chosen for G/S/C proves against the point you are trying to make Xander0. So what that the Ice/dragon pokemon's stats and abilities aren't too similar to the Zekrom/Reshiram! the fact is that it looks extremely similar and is the most realistic and obvious choice and out of all the other legends it would make the most sense if it were as the 3rd game mascot .

Xander Olivieri September 18th, 2010 5:04 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6165336)
Your point about Suicune being chosen for G/S/C proves against the point you are trying to make Xander0. So what that the Ice/dragon pokemon's stats and abilities aren't too similar to the Zekrom/Reshiram! the fact is that it looks extremely similar and is the most realistic and obvious choice and out of all the other legends it would make the most sense if it were as the 3rd game mascot .

I completely disagree with you. It looks nothing like Zekrom nor Reshiram and seems the most unrealistic choice to be in their Trio.

And no, Second Gen didn't have any other Legends to use that weren't event. Using it doesn't hurt the argument unless the person arguing against doesn't know anything about Pokemon or the history. Suicune also was part of the Beast Trio and isn't even considered to be equal to the Legendary Bird DUO of G/S

Only two games that can be easily compared to are R/S/E series where it was written in before Emerald, and This set is still argued today to be a Duo with a Master, but has insufficient evidence to back it up, rather than a Trio with a self ruling Master. And D/P/Pt which pulled a R/B/Y and based the third Game off of the Anime/Movies.

IF the dragon can relate to them, it will be in Black and White's history for it. So far, the Dragon/Ice has been shown but hasn't been given any info on relation to them. Only that you find it near a lake that suddenly freezes.

Its ability not relating, lower stat which ALL TRIOS ARE EQUAL with exception to Rayquaza because he is a Master, AND not having a perfectly matching attack list to the other two, this all says that fan speculation has very low chance for success.

What I'm trying to say is I don't believe its a Trio. As for Mascots, any NON Event Legend can be the Mascot. We don't even know what the name of the third game would be and would have to wait 2 years before anything could be hinted.

SIN1488 September 18th, 2010 5:14 PM

If it hasn't already been said, I think I figured it out. Zekrom represents technology, and Reshiram represents nature, right? We can all basically agree on that?

Well supposedly the story behind Insekuta is that it was an ancient bug pokemon modified by Team Plasma. So it's like nature and technology combined! I didn't look at it's stats yet to compare them, but that makes sense to me. I would definitely want it to be the third legendary, so it gets a more detailed story behind it in the third game.

Xatumi September 18th, 2010 5:15 PM

it doesnt have to have a special ability.

palkia and dailga had pressure, and so did giritina, but when it was in origin form it had levitate.

so the third one having pressure is fine, since its not the main story line legend. like BLACK AND WHITE.

thats just my two cents.

Xander Olivieri September 18th, 2010 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Xatumi (Post 6165400)
it doesnt have to have a special ability.

palkia and dailga had pressure, and so did giritina, but when it was in origin form it had levitate.

so the third one having pressure is fine, since its not the main story line legend. like BLACK AND WHITE.

thats just my two cents.

Giratina still had Pressure. Most of the legends get Pressure as a Default ability and some of the Trios get abilities that link them together. The Super Ancients for example. They cause weather effects and erase weather effects.

Giratina still has the perfect match up attack list, Pokemon stat (680) and ability match ups with Dialga and Palkia.

Charizard★ September 18th, 2010 5:41 PM

Maybe Victini is the third game legend. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

JP September 18th, 2010 7:56 PM

I would very much like them to pull a Crystal and use another Legendary, someone that's very much unrelated to the two Dragon mascots.

I can't see GF using Victini or any of the last 3 legendaries as mascots, simply because I don't think they have anything that relates to the two Dragons, (for example, Suicune was one of the legendary dogs, whom related back to Oh-Ho) and the fact that they're single Legendaries, not being part of any duo or trio. If any of them are going to be used as a third game mascot, it'll be the Ice/Dragon or someone from the other two, confirmed trios. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they perhaps broke the idea of a single Pokemon being the mascot of one version, and perhaps used an entire trio. That would be nice for a change if you ask me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6165374)
I completely disagree with you. It looks nothing like Zekrom nor Reshiram and seems the most unrealistic choice to be in their Trio.

And no, Second Gen didn't have any other Legends to use that weren't event. Using it doesn't hurt the argument unless the person arguing against doesn't know anything about Pokemon or the history. Suicune also was part of the Beast Trio and isn't even considered to be equal to the Legendary Bird DUO of G/S

Only two games that can be easily compared to are R/S/E series where it was written in before Emerald, and This set is still argued today to be a Duo with a Master, but has insufficient evidence to back it up, rather than a Trio with a self ruling Master. And D/P/Pt which pulled a R/B/Y and based the third Game off of the Anime/Movies.

IF the dragon can relate to them, it will be in Black and White's history for it. So far, the Dragon/Ice has been shown but hasn't been given any info on relation to them. Only that you find it near a lake that suddenly freezes.

Its ability not relating, lower stat which ALL TRIOS ARE EQUAL with exception to Rayquaza because he is a Master, AND not having a perfectly matching attack list to the other two, this all says that fan speculation has very low chance for success.

What I'm trying to say is I don't believe its a Trio. As for Mascots, any NON Event Legend can be the Mascot. We don't even know what the name of the third game would be and would have to wait 2 years before anything could be hinted.

What do you mean DPPt pulled a RGBY? The giratina movie was made after the announcement of Pt...so it wasn't based on the anime...
Also the third one has Grey parts to it's body which is speculated to be the third game (though that rock/fighting dog is too) is part dragon, they are trying to remake the Fire/lighting/Ice trio and if it does gain another forme it's special ability would be something like theirs, also they might have given it weaker stats and diffrent ability to make it less predictable...


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