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Kanto_Johto July 3rd, 2010 2:05 PM

The hero becomes a villain
 
Anyone else think this could work?

I think it would be great for there to be a twist in the storyline where the protagonist decides to join the evil team at a certain point in the game, and then later breaks off from them over a disagreement with the team leader or something. That way you wouldn't be on their side for the entirety of the game, and can still maintain the hero title.

I know a lot of people are going to jump on me and say it's a stupid idea, but if you think about it, it really isn't.

For starters, it's a completely fresh idea and would make for a very interesting and diverse storyline - I for one am getting tired of the same old Cliché'd routine: Battle people; get badges; beat up evil team along the way; catch legendaries; defeat Elite Four; catch final legendary/beat final boss. We need something people aren't going to expect.

And no, being on the evil team doesn't limit you to catching only Zubat's and Rattatas. You could be offered to join the team after the 3rd badge, for example, then work your way up to an evil team executive, and the eventually come into conflict with the team leader once you aquire your 7th or 8th badge, for instance.

I think it could work quite well, providing the storyline behind it is well thought out.

What do you guys think?

x Necromorph x July 3rd, 2010 2:10 PM

I think that is a much needed twist in the plain old story we have known for so long, and the story that I'm pretty sure that a lot of people are getting tired of.

HaloSonic July 3rd, 2010 2:11 PM

i somehow doubt they're gonna let the main character pull a Sepiroth on us, but you never know..

Tox July 3rd, 2010 2:16 PM

I think that storyline's too predictable. Literally everyone has thought of it. It would be surprising to see the games make that sort of change but it's too obvious. They'd need something more clever in my opinion.

Turnabout July 3rd, 2010 2:18 PM

Believe me, I want this to happen but...

Since this is Pokemon it's super unlikely we'll get it, pokemon has always strongly encouraged a squeaky clean lifestyle and it's still aimed at kids.

So joining the evil team, even as a spy/undercover agent etc would probably be considered too "bad" for a pokemon game :<

Joining the evil team would be so fun though! AH.
Maybe they could create a team/organization that we THINK is good, and the player joins but you later realize you were tricked into helping them achieve their cliche evil goal lol.
Then you gotta set things right or something, I dunno...


It's just the "aimed at kids" thing, that's what hinders the storyline, I think :C

MistahDude July 3rd, 2010 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 5935532)
Anyone else think this could work?

I think it would be great for there to be a twist in the storyline where the protagonist decides to join the evil team at a certain point in the game, and then later breaks off from them over a disagreement with the team leader or something. That way you wouldn't be on their side for the entirety of the game, and can still maintain the hero title.

I know a lot of people are going to jump on me and say it's a stupid idea, but if you think about it, it really isn't.

For starters, it's a completely fresh idea and would make for a very interesting and diverse storyline - I for one am getting tired of the same old Cliché'd routine: Battle people; get badges; beat up evil team along the way; catch legendaries; defeat Elite Four; catch final legendary/beat final boss. We need something people aren't going to expect.

And no, being on the evil team doesn't limit you to catching only Zubat's and Rattatas. You could be offered to join the team after the 3rd badge, for example, then work your way up to an evil team executive, and the eventually come into conflict with the team leader once you aquire your 7th or 8th badge, for instance.

I think it could work quite well, providing the storyline behind it is well thought out.

What do you guys think?

This idea seems cool but I doubt it will happen.

D. Lawride July 3rd, 2010 2:27 PM

That seems to resemble something called Pokémon Colosseum, if I'm not mistaken. =p

Although, it would seem an interesting idea, albeit, as mentioned, a somewhat "bad" turn on the games.

thewinna July 3rd, 2010 5:06 PM

iF THE MAIN CHARECTER WAS A FREELANCER, IT WOULD BE FINE, BUT THE GAME WOULD PORBIBLY HAVE E10+ OR T RATING. the charecter would be like silver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imalthica July 3rd, 2010 5:16 PM

I think that it would be fun to have the villainous characters in the story/plot line actually be someone close to your character in the game, such as one of the Pokemon professors, or the other gender of playable character....I think that having your mom be the main villain/boss would just be a bit too much....

rockman0 July 3rd, 2010 5:24 PM

I think this would be really cool. They kinda did it with Pokemon Coloseum a little bit kinda, not much tho. I would love to see this idea brought to life, but alas, it may never happen.

Robin Hood July 3rd, 2010 5:25 PM

Great idea honestly, and I'd love to see it happen, but Pokemon (as mentioned above) is too "goody-two-shoes" for this kind of plot. I really doubt anything like this will happen =/

Waki Tobaye July 3rd, 2010 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turnabout (Post 5935569)
It's just the "aimed at kids" thing, that's what hinders the storyline, I think :C

No, it isn't. At least this time. Remember that GameFreak said the protagonists this time were going to be older. A plot like this looks like a pretty well option this time.

As the OP said, this plot makes a really good option for the game. We, the players, enjoy a not-so-linear plot and the character still is a good person on the end.

Also, remember that GameFreak said something like we should expect surprises and changes(or something to that extent). This could be the perfect opportunity to remake the story.

Eruption July 3rd, 2010 6:05 PM

Well if they need to keep it to the good side then they could put in a part were you form your own good team to beat the other one.

Just needs to be some change.

Turnabout July 3rd, 2010 6:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waki Tobaye (Post 5935987)

Also, remember that GameFreak said something like we should expect surprises and changes(or something to that extent). This could be the perfect opportunity to remake the story.

I'm pretty excited that they said that actually, I still don't expect them to let us join the bad guys, but we're probably going to get a twist plot or something cool.
Then again, we still know nothing about the regional team in BW, so maybe we do get the option to join/help them *u*

I just really wanna wear one of the cool uniforms the evil teams get to wear. Running about Goldenrod as a rocket was way too fun for me.

DarkAlucard July 3rd, 2010 6:30 PM

Well, i don't like be the bad boy of the criminal organization because is plans are always stupid XD.
In the other hand i love to be the rival of the main character, like Silver for a change of all. What if we really don't need to collect badges? Or if we don't need to catch'em all?? I only want to be the best of all the country and beyond so i really want to Kick some ...... and nothing else =D
......Oh we're talking about pokemon, auuu nevermind, this isn't going to happen , never...

Calder July 3rd, 2010 6:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turnabout (Post 5935569)
Believe me, I want this to happen but...

Since this is Pokemon it's super unlikely we'll get it, pokemon has always strongly encouraged a squeaky clean lifestyle and it's still aimed at kids.

So joining the evil team, even as a spy/undercover agent etc would probably be considered too "bad" for a pokemon game :<

Joining the evil team would be so fun though! AH.
Maybe they could create a team/organization that we THINK is good, and the player joins but you later realize you were tricked into helping them achieve their cliche evil goal lol.
Then you gotta set things right or something, I dunno...


It's just the "aimed at kids" thing, that's what hinders the storyline, I think :C

You do go undercover in HGSS but Silver uncovers you as you and spoils everything... Maybe the twist can be that the team you think is evil is really good...

Migueliscool July 3rd, 2010 6:42 PM

You have no idea how much I would love it if this would happen.

But I mean Come on its Pokemon....

But if anything it would be cool if your rival that lives next door to you joins the evil side at some point in the story

Cherrim July 5th, 2010 5:50 AM

Yeah I just... don't think this would work. The closest the series will ever get to having you join the evil team was having you dress up as a TR member in HGSS for all of 5 minutes. :(

Though they've been getting more and more "out there" in recent games, they've also been getting more cult-ish and I can guarantee that the last thing the Pokémon series wants is to be introducing little kids to cultism. The complaints would be endless. And if they aren't a cult, maybe the series will go back to its roots, with the main team being full of... thiefs, Pokémon abusers, and gangsters. Okay, maybe we don't want kids joining that.

:( I can see it as a subplot for infiltration, like HGSS had, but no way they'll let you join the main baddies for good.

G-Virus July 5th, 2010 5:58 AM

Actually, I'd probably welcome this. How about they make it a bit like Resident Evil. I don't mean zombies and Lickers chasing after you, but more in of the fact that the choices you make in game will determine the ending and storyline movement.

Calder July 5th, 2010 6:00 AM

You know as its GF and they are targeting little kids... Now that I think of it if they do this at some point your character will "see the errors of his ways" and take them down from the inside... Espionage style xD

MegaKuriboh July 5th, 2010 7:56 AM

I'd love that! We probally might get it this time 'cause y'know they're trying to bring teens back to pokemon and it's a yin yang thing this time (Zekrom and Reshiram)
Damn I hope this happens!

gkenzx July 5th, 2010 8:04 AM

That would be a great idea! But the as stated above the official series will never, ever, EVER do that.

Umm, there was a hack at one point (Rocket Red I believe) where you were a Team Rocket member.

mooglehunter July 5th, 2010 8:33 AM

well, since you say it was an offer, you could refuse and continue on the same old cliche story or join to get the cool little plot twist. it could be kind of a sidequest. I don't see it as being blacklisted by gamefreak since you had to disguise your self as team rocket in hg/ss so long as your mission types don't include hurting people or stealing pokemon/money

560cool. July 5th, 2010 8:49 AM

I'd really love this to happen, but, to be honest, I doubt it will.
After getting out the game corner, I doubt Gamefreak will ever add sth. "evil" and "toxic" for the "children" playing the game.

GrifSpark July 5th, 2010 9:43 AM

That actually sounds like a great idea. Although, because it's GameFreak, I doubt they will. Although, I don't see why they can't do this.

TeamA are the good guys.
And they are fighting TeamB, who are the bad guys.
You join TeamA to stop TeamB for some reason.
Turns out TeamA are the bad guys, using their GoodGuy disguise to make it easier.
You battle some TeamA grunts and run away.
You then join TeamB and save the world... Or something...

I don't see why that couldn't happen. That could make for an interesting plot twist that I would love to see...

Woot! :D

Nikorasu July 5th, 2010 12:34 PM

I doubt it'll happen, but i would love to play as an evil character. :3

Clark July 5th, 2010 6:14 PM

On top of the already-stated "it wouldn't work because it's targeted toward kids" argument, I am sorta wondering... what exactly would this team have you do? If you're a member of an "evil team", you usually tend to run around stealing things and causing mayhem. I don't think that would allow you to actually do the things Pokemon is centered upon. Yanno, battling gym leaders, traveling, training your Pokemon... I like the idea itself, but because being an actual member of a "team" seems like it would just get in the way of the actual point of the game... I don't think it's gonna happen.

However, it could still work sort of like that. I think the suggestion that you could be working for a supposedly "good" team that turns out to be evil later would work wonderfully. Not to mention it would make a lot more sense than your good-natured and heroic player character randomly joining a group of blatantly bad troublemakers. Rather than actually joining them, perhaps you could just affiliate with them and help them along the way. That sort of happened in Ruby and Sapphire with teams Aqua and Magma respectively, but it wasn't very in-depth.

Of course it does seem unlikely, but if they're ever gonna do it in the main-series games now looks like a damn good time for it. Especially with the yin/yang thing, and the fact that the white Legendary is in Black while the black one is in White. Seems kinda like they're trying to reflect the idea that in all light is a bit of darkness, and vice versa. I am expecting some sort of plot twist, be it this or something completely new.

Droidz July 5th, 2010 8:14 PM

I doubt that the main character would become a villain. Maybe one of your friends but again i doubt it.

redsaber5859 July 5th, 2010 8:18 PM

Pokemon black
You join the team and wreak havoc until you don't get paid, then you destroy them from inside out

Pokemon white, you battle the evil team and cause blacks character to take down the team, I want a BIG difference in the games, and since ur teens in B&W, it's possible that GF will increase the rating by 1 or 2 to make better story lines

Teh Blazer July 5th, 2010 8:21 PM

That idea sounds great! Or atleast starting an evil organization then realizing it's bad and losing control of it. Then regaining it back and destroying it or SOMETHING NEW!! Maybe get rejected by the people you're saving, just something NEW!!!

Tanaki July 5th, 2010 10:34 PM

I highly doubt the likelyhood of a branching plotline being added to these games. I highly anticipate that at the most there to be a point in the story where your character may be swayed by dark intentions or disguise himself in order to fool Team *insert name here*. But, if there was ever a time for them to implement a system where you have to choose your path, it should've been in a game like Collosseum, where you spend a good majority of the game as an antihero stealing other people's pokemon and choosing whether to bring them back to the light or let them linger in darkness.

And besides, most of the time that your character would be swayed by evil intent is during a final showdown with the leader of Team *insert name here*, and we all know what happens when the leader gets a little too close to tempting your character, righ? Someone; anyone; friend; champion; professor; whoever, will step in during or right after your battle and tell you not to heed their advice. I don't expect nintendo/gamefreak to stray too far from the formula on a lot of games.

Charizard★ July 6th, 2010 6:40 AM

I think it wouldn't be a good idea.

Your always probably going to be a hero in all the Pokemon games. :D
Although I would like to be the Villain :3

Bobraygen July 6th, 2010 12:13 PM

For years I haven been toying witht he idea of having a villain charater you play as. For example you start the game and you wake up in the middle of the ocean on a raft or somthing. You lost your memory and team AQUA picks you up on their sub and you work for them. Instead of badges you gte missions to complete but you still caught pokemon and train them. At the end instead of elet four you face the boss of the teama dn try to win. You can do the same type of story line with Rocket glaltica, magma
-.-, and whoever eles. Thne using wifi you team battle or using wireless you face other teams or coem togetther. Tornements the teams line up and pick a leader then they have a special Missiont he team haz to complete and compete to finish before the other team completes it. SO many possibliitys! I wouldn't mind working for nintendo on the story line and stuff xD GO TEAM AQUA!

mooglehunter July 6th, 2010 12:38 PM

You are all saying that the rating needs to be ratcheted up in order for these plottwists to work. this is not the case at all. there are some amazing e/e10+ games with incredible stories. if you look at it logically, pokemon should be e10+ anyways because you are actually fighting. games like puzzle quest and kingdom hearts, which have the same amount or less violence than pokemon have excellent stories but still can target children as their audience, heck in KH your best friend turns out to be heavily swayed by the heartless and KILLS THE MAIN CHARACTER, i know this post has become sort of a rant, but it all does feed back into one point hiiro and other admins who would delete this. it is completely possible for the hero to be swayed to/by evil and maintain an e rating. this is a completely plausible idea and SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT by GF

Eeohnex July 6th, 2010 5:13 PM

This idea would be great for a new story change in the Pokémon games, but I highly doubt this would ever happen. Since, Pokémon is about raising your Pokémon and becoming a Pokémon master.

loliwin July 6th, 2010 5:14 PM

Pretty good idea, but it could influence kids to be evil. :O

The Noob Hacker July 6th, 2010 9:09 PM

This is a cool idea, but alas, it wont happen (most likely) But this, my friend, is why we have ROM hacks

Groc July 6th, 2010 9:16 PM

THE WORLD HAS YET TO REALISE MY GENIUS!
 
You begin the game as a New Recruit of The Team. The Professor is the Head Scientist and the Evil Genius of The Team, and your first mission involves stealing 3 Rare Pokemon. This will of course be laughably easy, and you are rewarded by keeping one of them as your own. Your rival will be someone who was supposed to protect or recover the 3, and will manage to rescue one as The Professor escapes with the last one. Then the Other Gender Character (who will be your Partner at times in the story) gets that last one.

Your assignments will be relatively simple, such as catch or steal a certain Pokemon or item, or deliver an item somewhere. "Gym Leaders" will be targets that The Team needs removed, so you (as the most promising New Recruit) are sent to defeat them. The badge is taken as a reward, because it allows your HM moves to be used outside of battle and pass through certain gates.

You can take as long as you need to complete these missions, and can go train, capture, play minigames, and other stuff, because you are a Loose Cannon Who Doesn't Play By The Rules, But You Get Results.

In the end, you defeat The Elite 4, capture a Legendary Pokemon, and become a Commander of The Team, second only to the Leader. Your Partner, who has stolen or captured enough Pokemon to fill The Professor's Pokedex, captures the other Legendary Pokemon, becoming a Commander of equal rank to you. The Bad Guys Win.

Then comes the third game, in which you play a fresh-faced youth on his/her Journey To Become A Pokemon Master. Along the way, he/she Captures a Legendary Pokemon, Battles an Evil Team, and takes down their Leader and his two Commanders, aided by a Mysterious Stranger (the Rival) with past connections to the Evil Team's Commanders...



It isn't the plot to Pokemon Black, White and ???, but it would be an awesome series! A classic Villian Protagonist story, with the third version undoing everything you worked so hard for in the first game!

JohnMasterLee July 6th, 2010 9:47 PM

I do think the game series needs a dramatic reboot in terms of story development. Every storyline unveils itself in the same way for the series. I reached a point where I'm just clicking through the conversation as fast as possible because it feels like a cut/paste job from the previous game.

It would be cool to have different storylines unfold based on which character(s) you start out with. It could add some replay value as well.

Droidz July 6th, 2010 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loliwin (Post 5943304)
Pretty good idea, but it could influence kids to be evil. :O

It could Influence them to create an Army to steal all the legendary pokes in the world :O

Azure-Supernova July 7th, 2010 5:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turnabout (Post 5935569)
Believe me, I want this to happen but...

Since this is Pokemon it's super unlikely we'll get it, pokemon has always strongly encouraged a squeaky clean lifestyle and it's still aimed at kids.

So joining the evil team, even as a spy/undercover agent etc would probably be considered too "bad" for a pokemon game :<

Joining the evil team would be so fun though! AH.
Maybe they could create a team/organization that we THINK is good, and the player joins but you later realize you were tricked into helping them achieve their cliche evil goal lol.
Then you gotta set things right or something, I dunno...


It's just the "aimed at kids" thing, that's what hinders the storyline, I think :C

Which is why it either needs to be an option... or we get a Pokémon game aimed at a more mature audience for once! Either that or they release two versions of the game, one for the youngsters where they can live in candy land and one for us older sophisticated and refined gents people

Iceshadow3317 July 7th, 2010 5:29 AM

It isn't going to happen, It is a kid's game. I like the idea,but it will not happen. Unless they make it E10+ or T. But that could be why the main characters are older in the game. But my question is. Why would Gym Leaders allow villians to challenge them?

Azure-Supernova July 7th, 2010 6:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 5944604)
It isn't going to happen, It is a kid's game. I like the idea,but it will not happen. Unless they make it E10+ or T. But that could be why the main characters are older in the game. But my question is. Why would Gym Leaders allow villians to challenge them?

Well why not? End of the day, challenge is a challenge. And if you were looking for an answer with more motivation, well how about they challenge them to try and stop them.

StratusJm July 7th, 2010 7:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5944751)
Well why not? End of the day, challenge is a challenge. And if you were looking for an answer with more motivation, well how about they challenge them to try and stop them.

yes exactly the gym leader sees you and challenges you in an attempt to stop your plan but then if they do win what happens?

Zet July 7th, 2010 3:00 PM

I got my money of that green haired guy joining an organization just to get strong enough to finally beat you.

Nikorasu July 7th, 2010 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 5944604)
It isn't going to happen, It is a kid's game. I like the idea,but it will not happen. Unless they make it E10+ or T. But that could be why the main characters are older in the game. But my question is. Why would Gym Leaders allow villians to challenge them?

ut they're trying to get teens back into pokemon, so this would probally be the best way forward? :3

Azure-Supernova July 8th, 2010 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StratusJm (Post 5944784)
yes exactly the gym leader sees you and challenges you in an attempt to stop your plan but then if they do win what happens?

Then you go through the standard white out, except instead of going back to a Pokécenter you get rescued by a couple of grunts.

Iqid Loopz July 8th, 2010 11:17 AM

Unless you become a villian and stay as villian until you reach a major achievement, getting all badges, and beating E4 doesn't count, more like completeing the nation Dex, or 10 pokemon reach 100 etc; then a back story begins for you bbecome a hero again or not

JadedIguana July 8th, 2010 11:00 PM

I think it's a dumb idea for a few reasons:
The Villains are actually Villains. You just have the common sense not to do those things, because all it would do is bring suffering.

I find that wanting to be a villain describes a lot about one character, but I won't get into that part. Let's take a look at all the Team/Villains that have existed so far:

Team Rocket:
This is basically a mafia. Responsible for the world almost being destroyed.
(Pokemon Movie 1.) Generally, it is assumed that many people have died, because Team Rocket has so many specialized employees that we don't get to see them all.

Team Aqua & Magma:
Dearlord. This would be the dumbest team to join.
They wanted to make the world better. By giving it more water/land. This would kill everything. Not only were they a threat to everyones existence, but they didn't even know it.

Team Galactic:
This one at least KNEW what it was doing. Too bad the guy behind it wouldn't give a crap about you if you joined.

Team Cipher:
Seriously considering this team if you know what they do makes you a complete monster inside. To rank in this team, you must abuse a Pokemon until it internalizes and shuts down cognitively, reducing it to only instincts. An emotionally frozen battle machine. Your rank is determined by the number of Pokemon you've done this to.


...so uh...
Given those choices, it makes sense to me as to why you(in the games) never consider joining them.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 8th, 2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JadedIguana (Post 5950397)
I think it's a dumb idea for a few reasons:
The Villains are actually Villains. You just have the common sense not to do those things, because all it would do is bring suffering.

I find that wanting to be a villain describes a lot about one character, but I won't get into that part. Let's take a look at all the Team/Villains that have existed so far:

Team Rocket:
This is basically a mafia. Responsible for the world almost being destroyed.
(Pokemon Movie 1.) Generally, it is assumed that many people have died, because Team Rocket has so many specialized employees that we don't get to see them all.

Team Aqua & Magma:
Dearlord. This would be the dumbest team to join.
They wanted to make the world better. By giving it more water/land. This would kill everything. Not only were they a threat to everyones existence, but they didn't even know it.

Team Galactic:
This one at least KNEW what it was doing. Too bad the guy behind it wouldn't give a crap about you if you joined.

Team Cipher:
Seriously considering this team if you know what they do makes you a complete monster inside. To rank in this team, you must abuse a Pokemon until it internalizes and shuts down cognitively, reducing it to only instincts. An emotionally frozen battle machine. Your rank is determined by the number of Pokemon you've done this to.


...so uh...
Given those choices, it makes sense to me as to why you(in the games) never consider joining them.

Actually Team Magma and Aqua were Eco terrorist they wanted to improve the enviorment for land and water pokemon respectively but ended up destroying it in the process, so they weren't very stupid...their plan didn't calculate that the legendary pokemon were going to rebel and do what they did...
But yeah they all failed miserably...team rocket was a waste of time in the game...they just wanted money then they wanted their boss to hold their hand...yeah the worst team ever!

Echidna August 24th, 2010 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5950420)
Actually Team Magma and Aqua were Eco terrorist they wanted to improve the enviorment for land and water pokemon respectively but ended up destroying it in the process, so they weren't very stupid...their plan didn't calculate that the legendary pokemon were going to rebel and do what they did...
But yeah they all failed miserably...team rocket was a waste of time in the game...they just wanted money then they wanted their boss to hold their hand...yeah the worst team ever!

come on !!!!!!!! team magma and aqua were the worst teams out there. they are extremely stupid. i mean think about it. maxie wanted to expand land. two down sides to this. most of our water kapooooooosh. gone and water pkemon have no place to live. and there are no uppsides. humans in the hoenn region had enough places to live there were still so many uninhabitted places. and he was willing to blow up a volcano to do so. couldn's he see that he could have killed everyone in lavaridge town.

how about team aqua. they wanted to give water pokemon more places to live. isn't it bad enough that half of hoenn is water routes and lakes and waterfalls. WHY MORE !!!!! and they coul have flooded sootopolis, mosdeep, lilycove, pacifilog, evergrande, slateport, mauville, and dewford and probably killed everyone there. GOD!!! what is wrong with them. and that would have seriously gave humans less places to live. oh and did i mention that hoenn is popular only for the battle fronteir and hoenn league which would have also been flooded making hoenn lose its importance.

AND they were both ready to do what they had in mind by awakening the most dangerous pokemon ever.

THEY are the most stupid people in existance.
Team galactic were the weakist of villains and wanted to to take over the world. come on. any gym leader could have defeated the. and how could cyrus have done so much research and miss giratina. i meen cynthia didn't study or look for anything. so how could she known about giratina while cyrus didn't.
STUPID

and we all agree that team rocket weren't just weak. they were miscalculating and stupid and ..... a very long list of bad traits.

All villains so far have been so weak. i hope the new team plasma is a little stronger than the previous team. and from what i know they aren't evil. they like pokemon and seeing how people treat pokemon as pets trigerred their anger. and they have a very good point. i agree with them. for the first time a lot of people could agree with the villains. i don't know how i'm gonna feel when i'm defeating them in black and white.

Ho-Oh August 24th, 2010 5:38 AM

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