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Nikorasu July 5th, 2010 12:34 PM

I doubt it'll happen, but i would love to play as an evil character. :3

Clark July 5th, 2010 6:14 PM

On top of the already-stated "it wouldn't work because it's targeted toward kids" argument, I am sorta wondering... what exactly would this team have you do? If you're a member of an "evil team", you usually tend to run around stealing things and causing mayhem. I don't think that would allow you to actually do the things Pokemon is centered upon. Yanno, battling gym leaders, traveling, training your Pokemon... I like the idea itself, but because being an actual member of a "team" seems like it would just get in the way of the actual point of the game... I don't think it's gonna happen.

However, it could still work sort of like that. I think the suggestion that you could be working for a supposedly "good" team that turns out to be evil later would work wonderfully. Not to mention it would make a lot more sense than your good-natured and heroic player character randomly joining a group of blatantly bad troublemakers. Rather than actually joining them, perhaps you could just affiliate with them and help them along the way. That sort of happened in Ruby and Sapphire with teams Aqua and Magma respectively, but it wasn't very in-depth.

Of course it does seem unlikely, but if they're ever gonna do it in the main-series games now looks like a damn good time for it. Especially with the yin/yang thing, and the fact that the white Legendary is in Black while the black one is in White. Seems kinda like they're trying to reflect the idea that in all light is a bit of darkness, and vice versa. I am expecting some sort of plot twist, be it this or something completely new.

Droidz July 5th, 2010 8:14 PM

I doubt that the main character would become a villain. Maybe one of your friends but again i doubt it.

redsaber5859 July 5th, 2010 8:18 PM

Pokemon black
You join the team and wreak havoc until you don't get paid, then you destroy them from inside out

Pokemon white, you battle the evil team and cause blacks character to take down the team, I want a BIG difference in the games, and since ur teens in B&W, it's possible that GF will increase the rating by 1 or 2 to make better story lines

Teh Blazer July 5th, 2010 8:21 PM

That idea sounds great! Or atleast starting an evil organization then realizing it's bad and losing control of it. Then regaining it back and destroying it or SOMETHING NEW!! Maybe get rejected by the people you're saving, just something NEW!!!

Tanaki July 5th, 2010 10:34 PM

I highly doubt the likelyhood of a branching plotline being added to these games. I highly anticipate that at the most there to be a point in the story where your character may be swayed by dark intentions or disguise himself in order to fool Team *insert name here*. But, if there was ever a time for them to implement a system where you have to choose your path, it should've been in a game like Collosseum, where you spend a good majority of the game as an antihero stealing other people's pokemon and choosing whether to bring them back to the light or let them linger in darkness.

And besides, most of the time that your character would be swayed by evil intent is during a final showdown with the leader of Team *insert name here*, and we all know what happens when the leader gets a little too close to tempting your character, righ? Someone; anyone; friend; champion; professor; whoever, will step in during or right after your battle and tell you not to heed their advice. I don't expect nintendo/gamefreak to stray too far from the formula on a lot of games.

Charizard★ July 6th, 2010 6:40 AM

I think it wouldn't be a good idea.

Your always probably going to be a hero in all the Pokemon games. :D
Although I would like to be the Villain :3

Bobraygen July 6th, 2010 12:13 PM

For years I haven been toying witht he idea of having a villain charater you play as. For example you start the game and you wake up in the middle of the ocean on a raft or somthing. You lost your memory and team AQUA picks you up on their sub and you work for them. Instead of badges you gte missions to complete but you still caught pokemon and train them. At the end instead of elet four you face the boss of the teama dn try to win. You can do the same type of story line with Rocket glaltica, magma
-.-, and whoever eles. Thne using wifi you team battle or using wireless you face other teams or coem togetther. Tornements the teams line up and pick a leader then they have a special Missiont he team haz to complete and compete to finish before the other team completes it. SO many possibliitys! I wouldn't mind working for nintendo on the story line and stuff xD GO TEAM AQUA!

mooglehunter July 6th, 2010 12:38 PM

You are all saying that the rating needs to be ratcheted up in order for these plottwists to work. this is not the case at all. there are some amazing e/e10+ games with incredible stories. if you look at it logically, pokemon should be e10+ anyways because you are actually fighting. games like puzzle quest and kingdom hearts, which have the same amount or less violence than pokemon have excellent stories but still can target children as their audience, heck in KH your best friend turns out to be heavily swayed by the heartless and KILLS THE MAIN CHARACTER, i know this post has become sort of a rant, but it all does feed back into one point hiiro and other admins who would delete this. it is completely possible for the hero to be swayed to/by evil and maintain an e rating. this is a completely plausible idea and SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT by GF

Eeohnex July 6th, 2010 5:13 PM

This idea would be great for a new story change in the Pokémon games, but I highly doubt this would ever happen. Since, Pokémon is about raising your Pokémon and becoming a Pokémon master.

loliwin July 6th, 2010 5:14 PM

Pretty good idea, but it could influence kids to be evil. :O

The Noob Hacker July 6th, 2010 9:09 PM

This is a cool idea, but alas, it wont happen (most likely) But this, my friend, is why we have ROM hacks

Groc July 6th, 2010 9:16 PM

THE WORLD HAS YET TO REALISE MY GENIUS!
 
You begin the game as a New Recruit of The Team. The Professor is the Head Scientist and the Evil Genius of The Team, and your first mission involves stealing 3 Rare Pokemon. This will of course be laughably easy, and you are rewarded by keeping one of them as your own. Your rival will be someone who was supposed to protect or recover the 3, and will manage to rescue one as The Professor escapes with the last one. Then the Other Gender Character (who will be your Partner at times in the story) gets that last one.

Your assignments will be relatively simple, such as catch or steal a certain Pokemon or item, or deliver an item somewhere. "Gym Leaders" will be targets that The Team needs removed, so you (as the most promising New Recruit) are sent to defeat them. The badge is taken as a reward, because it allows your HM moves to be used outside of battle and pass through certain gates.

You can take as long as you need to complete these missions, and can go train, capture, play minigames, and other stuff, because you are a Loose Cannon Who Doesn't Play By The Rules, But You Get Results.

In the end, you defeat The Elite 4, capture a Legendary Pokemon, and become a Commander of The Team, second only to the Leader. Your Partner, who has stolen or captured enough Pokemon to fill The Professor's Pokedex, captures the other Legendary Pokemon, becoming a Commander of equal rank to you. The Bad Guys Win.

Then comes the third game, in which you play a fresh-faced youth on his/her Journey To Become A Pokemon Master. Along the way, he/she Captures a Legendary Pokemon, Battles an Evil Team, and takes down their Leader and his two Commanders, aided by a Mysterious Stranger (the Rival) with past connections to the Evil Team's Commanders...



It isn't the plot to Pokemon Black, White and ???, but it would be an awesome series! A classic Villian Protagonist story, with the third version undoing everything you worked so hard for in the first game!

JohnMasterLee July 6th, 2010 9:47 PM

I do think the game series needs a dramatic reboot in terms of story development. Every storyline unveils itself in the same way for the series. I reached a point where I'm just clicking through the conversation as fast as possible because it feels like a cut/paste job from the previous game.

It would be cool to have different storylines unfold based on which character(s) you start out with. It could add some replay value as well.

Droidz July 6th, 2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by loliwin (Post 5943304)
Pretty good idea, but it could influence kids to be evil. :O

It could Influence them to create an Army to steal all the legendary pokes in the world :O

Azure-Supernova July 7th, 2010 5:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turnabout (Post 5935569)
Believe me, I want this to happen but...

Since this is Pokemon it's super unlikely we'll get it, pokemon has always strongly encouraged a squeaky clean lifestyle and it's still aimed at kids.

So joining the evil team, even as a spy/undercover agent etc would probably be considered too "bad" for a pokemon game :<

Joining the evil team would be so fun though! AH.
Maybe they could create a team/organization that we THINK is good, and the player joins but you later realize you were tricked into helping them achieve their cliche evil goal lol.
Then you gotta set things right or something, I dunno...


It's just the "aimed at kids" thing, that's what hinders the storyline, I think :C

Which is why it either needs to be an option... or we get a Pokémon game aimed at a more mature audience for once! Either that or they release two versions of the game, one for the youngsters where they can live in candy land and one for us older sophisticated and refined gents people

Iceshadow3317 July 7th, 2010 5:29 AM

It isn't going to happen, It is a kid's game. I like the idea,but it will not happen. Unless they make it E10+ or T. But that could be why the main characters are older in the game. But my question is. Why would Gym Leaders allow villians to challenge them?

Azure-Supernova July 7th, 2010 6:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 5944604)
It isn't going to happen, It is a kid's game. I like the idea,but it will not happen. Unless they make it E10+ or T. But that could be why the main characters are older in the game. But my question is. Why would Gym Leaders allow villians to challenge them?

Well why not? End of the day, challenge is a challenge. And if you were looking for an answer with more motivation, well how about they challenge them to try and stop them.

StratusJm July 7th, 2010 7:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5944751)
Well why not? End of the day, challenge is a challenge. And if you were looking for an answer with more motivation, well how about they challenge them to try and stop them.

yes exactly the gym leader sees you and challenges you in an attempt to stop your plan but then if they do win what happens?

Zet July 7th, 2010 3:00 PM

I got my money of that green haired guy joining an organization just to get strong enough to finally beat you.

Nikorasu July 7th, 2010 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 5944604)
It isn't going to happen, It is a kid's game. I like the idea,but it will not happen. Unless they make it E10+ or T. But that could be why the main characters are older in the game. But my question is. Why would Gym Leaders allow villians to challenge them?

ut they're trying to get teens back into pokemon, so this would probally be the best way forward? :3

Azure-Supernova July 8th, 2010 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StratusJm (Post 5944784)
yes exactly the gym leader sees you and challenges you in an attempt to stop your plan but then if they do win what happens?

Then you go through the standard white out, except instead of going back to a Pokécenter you get rescued by a couple of grunts.

Iqid Loopz July 8th, 2010 11:17 AM

Unless you become a villian and stay as villian until you reach a major achievement, getting all badges, and beating E4 doesn't count, more like completeing the nation Dex, or 10 pokemon reach 100 etc; then a back story begins for you bbecome a hero again or not

JadedIguana July 8th, 2010 11:00 PM

I think it's a dumb idea for a few reasons:
The Villains are actually Villains. You just have the common sense not to do those things, because all it would do is bring suffering.

I find that wanting to be a villain describes a lot about one character, but I won't get into that part. Let's take a look at all the Team/Villains that have existed so far:

Team Rocket:
This is basically a mafia. Responsible for the world almost being destroyed.
(Pokemon Movie 1.) Generally, it is assumed that many people have died, because Team Rocket has so many specialized employees that we don't get to see them all.

Team Aqua & Magma:
Dearlord. This would be the dumbest team to join.
They wanted to make the world better. By giving it more water/land. This would kill everything. Not only were they a threat to everyones existence, but they didn't even know it.

Team Galactic:
This one at least KNEW what it was doing. Too bad the guy behind it wouldn't give a crap about you if you joined.

Team Cipher:
Seriously considering this team if you know what they do makes you a complete monster inside. To rank in this team, you must abuse a Pokemon until it internalizes and shuts down cognitively, reducing it to only instincts. An emotionally frozen battle machine. Your rank is determined by the number of Pokemon you've done this to.


...so uh...
Given those choices, it makes sense to me as to why you(in the games) never consider joining them.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 8th, 2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JadedIguana (Post 5950397)
I think it's a dumb idea for a few reasons:
The Villains are actually Villains. You just have the common sense not to do those things, because all it would do is bring suffering.

I find that wanting to be a villain describes a lot about one character, but I won't get into that part. Let's take a look at all the Team/Villains that have existed so far:

Team Rocket:
This is basically a mafia. Responsible for the world almost being destroyed.
(Pokemon Movie 1.) Generally, it is assumed that many people have died, because Team Rocket has so many specialized employees that we don't get to see them all.

Team Aqua & Magma:
Dearlord. This would be the dumbest team to join.
They wanted to make the world better. By giving it more water/land. This would kill everything. Not only were they a threat to everyones existence, but they didn't even know it.

Team Galactic:
This one at least KNEW what it was doing. Too bad the guy behind it wouldn't give a crap about you if you joined.

Team Cipher:
Seriously considering this team if you know what they do makes you a complete monster inside. To rank in this team, you must abuse a Pokemon until it internalizes and shuts down cognitively, reducing it to only instincts. An emotionally frozen battle machine. Your rank is determined by the number of Pokemon you've done this to.


...so uh...
Given those choices, it makes sense to me as to why you(in the games) never consider joining them.

Actually Team Magma and Aqua were Eco terrorist they wanted to improve the enviorment for land and water pokemon respectively but ended up destroying it in the process, so they weren't very stupid...their plan didn't calculate that the legendary pokemon were going to rebel and do what they did...
But yeah they all failed miserably...team rocket was a waste of time in the game...they just wanted money then they wanted their boss to hold their hand...yeah the worst team ever!


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