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poopnoodle July 8th, 2010 8:43 AM

gender is weird
 
being a girl, sometimes i dont think i fit the appearance, if you will, to undertake certain tasks and prefer certain things. i realize there are some things that set men and women apart, i just don't like the superficiality of it all and how society lets sexual stereotypes define the individual. what do you think about gender identity, its state and where its headed?

edit: i'll just quote myself here because some don't seem to be understanding what i'm asking.

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i'll put it in simpler terms. gender roles have, more or less, destroyed the individual in a way. not that i'm complaining because it is what it is, i'm just curious about people's stance on the matter, how it affects them, and if they're seeing progress in terms of society's ability to see past the surface of a person.
and no one needs to tl;dr the differences between men and women, because as i've stated, i'm quite aware. i'm not asking anything about equality.

sorry for any misunderstandings in the way i've worded things, i can't say i'm the most eloquent speaker xD

Åzurε July 8th, 2010 9:25 AM

Well, it stands that due to mental and physical differences, men are different than women, and as such they've developed different roles and general characteristics over the past millennia. Naturally there are, have been, and will be exceptions. I think it would be better to simply acknowledge these exceptions rather than make a big fat hairy deal about it. Here's looking at you, feminism.

As for society stereotyping a person, leave the media to their own devices. They can't actually change you unless you accept the stereotype as truth.

poopnoodle July 8th, 2010 10:03 AM

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Men =/= Women.
i'm aware of this and noted my awareness, thank you.

i'll put it in simpler terms. gender roles have, more or less, destroyed the individual in a way. not that i'm complaining because it is what it is, i'm just curious about people's stance on the matter, how it affects them, and if they're seeing progress in terms of society's ability to see past the surface of a person.

Dawn July 8th, 2010 1:14 PM

I'm trying to think of a time when gender roles didn't exist. It's not working.

I'm now trying to think of a time when Individuality has been overlooked by intelligent people. It's not working very well either.

Finally, I'm trying to think of any reason gender roles have anymore power than any other form of generalization. Yeah... not working either.

Conclusion? Shallow morons will be shallow morons. If it isn't "gender roles" it will be something else.

That's what I think.

Esper July 9th, 2010 8:56 AM

A little while back I read a news article (more of an opinion piece, really) that said society is moving closer to a state of androgyny where people more frequently interact with each other regardless of gender and there is no "mystery" among the sexes. The person who wrote this thought it was a bad thing. I think it's wonderful. I'm going to a wedding tomorrow and the bride has only one bridesmaid but several bridesmen (or whatever the term is) because they're the people she's closest to. I think it's awesome that she doesn't see anything weird with that.

mr. ck July 9th, 2010 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 5948936)
I'm trying to think of a time when gender roles didn't exist. It's not working.

I'm now trying to think of a time when Individuality has been overlooked by intelligent people. It's not working very well either.

Finally, I'm trying to think of any reason gender roles have anymore power than any other form of generalization. Yeah... not working either.

Conclusion? Shallow morons will be shallow morons. If it isn't "gender roles" it will be something else.

That's what I think.

I have to agree to this.

Gender stereotypes are disappearing now. But you can't do anything about ignorant and uneducated people.
Gender differences are still differences, I mean, if somebody does say that you can't beat a guy up as a girl, there's nothing wrong, because that's the way a girl is meant to be.
I know, there are exceptions, but it's just an example.
However, for other things, being biased is completely wrong.

TwinkleClefable July 9th, 2010 9:44 AM

I don't think sexism is clearing that much =\, well fortunatly this website shows no sexism which is great! ^.^ It shows i can be a idiotic, selfish, moron until i get banned! Which won't happen, cuz i'm too cool 4 that.

This thread sounds like it's gonna turn into a huge debate though..=/, everybody has suffered from sexism, poopnoodle, the state gender equality is in..uh..it's good on this website like i said before ^-^, if you've got any problems, just tell me noodle, and i will sought those -???- right out!

Don't Worry, be happy. ^___^

Imperfect July 9th, 2010 11:22 AM

There are differences in tastes, physical differences and all that but for the most part, I don't really worry about all that.

I just do what I feel is right when it feels right, it's the best way to work I think.

Each to their own when it comes to sexuality, to some it's rigid, to some it's more fluid, it pretty much depends on the individual.

I have my own tastes but don't really want to get into all that here.

Cruelty And The Beast July 9th, 2010 11:54 AM

There's a difference between sex and gender. Sex is biological and it's basically what hormones/sexual organs/physical shape you have etc. But gender is different, it is a social construction. Humans are naturally androgynous but we learn gender roles through early Socialisation. As rational creatures, we need to overcome gender more than we have.

Åzurε July 9th, 2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruelty And The Beast (Post 5952106)
There's a difference between sex and gender. Sex is biological and it's basically what hormones/sexual organs/physical shape you have etc. But gender is different, it is a social construction. Humans are naturally androgynous but we learn gender roles through early Socialisation. As rational creatures, we need to overcome gender more than we have.

You had me up until "humans are naturally androgynous".
I'd say humans are naturally male or female. It goes past physical appearance- it's a part of a person's mind. Rather than androgynous, humans are naturally malleable at birth. The influences of human interaction apply quickly, leaving us with little information about the state of our minds at birth.

However, all of this is really rather irrelevant. I need it to be clearly seen. If what you claim is true, I'll wait and see if people who share that view raise their children in a way that results in a person observing that it's true. Social androgyny, rather than simply encouraged to be bisexual or anything like that.

Timbjerr July 9th, 2010 4:23 PM

As a man...a manly man with a muscular build and epic facial hair...I've rarely felt looked down upon because of traditional gender roles. :D

Seriously, the way I see gender roles, it's more intrapersonal more than interpersonal. I accepted many facets of the traditional male gender role not because it was forced on me, but rather because they fell under my interests and became things that make me feel good regardless. Societal gender roles are are so specific and far-reaching that it'd be impossible for you to fit in perfectly or be a perfect misfit. You're always gonna have some facet of your gender stereotype whether you want to or both and nobody can really judge you for it. XD

Dawn July 9th, 2010 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruelty And The Beast (Post 5952106)
There's a difference between sex and gender.

Actually, assuming sex is the biological female or male status of someone, they're complete synonyms.

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Originally Posted by Cruelty And The Beast (Post 5952106)
Sex is biological and it's basically what hormones/sexual organs/physical shape you have etc. But gender is different, it is a social construction.

I'm having difficulty understanding your argument, mainly because you're not using the correct word for whatever gender is supposed to be. ._.;;

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Originally Posted by Cruelty And The Beast (Post 5952106)
Humans are naturally androgynous but we learn gender roles through early Socialisation

No we aren't. ._. Humans naturally have very clearly defined genders that very naturally play a role in our lives.

lx_theo July 9th, 2010 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 5952847)
Actually, assuming sex is the biological female or male status of someone, they're complete synonyms.


Well, not entirely. Yes, sex is a biological state of the physical body, but gender deals with your mentality. Have you ever heard of those people who are one gender stuck in the other's body? Its like that. Gender is the mental state and sex is the physical state.

ORegan July 9th, 2010 5:41 PM

I'm gonna agree with Yellow here. Men and women are born differently by physically, and mentally, with different instincts and roles that went with them. While the latter two have declined in usage, it's still portrayed in the animal kingdom, especially among pack animals.

Pysically, men are usually taller and stronger *key word is usually, so don't kill me femnazis :P*, which were traits used to protect the family. In modern times, the instinct to protect became the intinct to protect finiancially, hence the term 'man of the house' and all that jazz. Men's larger builds have also made them more common of a sight to see in hard labor jobs than women.

Women are usually more delicate and gentle, in both manifestations. Women, being the ones that give birth, are naturally more nurturing. In the times before baby formula, an infant would not survive without its mother or another female that can breastfeed. Women also have more delicate and smaller hands, allowing better percision and there are many jobs in todays world, such as dentists.

Granted, there are ALWAYS exceptions to the above, but I'm talking in a more generalized manner

SkyAngel July 9th, 2010 7:06 PM

I don't wanna feel ignorant or stupid, despite not understanding a good deal of what has been said above, but what I have seen in the short sixteen years of my life is that there are people who believe men are superior and women aren't, that women are superior and men aren't, and that men and women are equal. If we're talking about physical build, then it seems like men just naturally become more muscular, etc. as they get older (before becoming old men, I mean) and women are built more towards beauty then physical strength. I'm not being sexist, I'm just saying what I've seen. If you wanna go all Darwinism on me, okay, then wouldn't that be that a long time ago, men were the protectors, hence their strengths, and women were beautiful to attract men to protect them, start a family, hence their beauty, etc.? Personally, I don't believe that the world has been around millions upon millions of years, since there's no concrete proof of that, in fact, there's proof that says otherwise. But anyway, that was what I've seen about men and women physically. Mentally, they seem equal, some would even say women are smarter ( :P ) but I wouldn't know if that's true or not, at school you have guys and girls getting all A's, it doesn't seem like genius has a gender preference. Socially, maybe the reason why you see more guy construction workers then girl construction workers is because men have a build that is more compatible with heavy work? Of course there are exceptions.

lx_theo July 9th, 2010 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyAngel (Post 5953163)
I don't wanna feel ignorant or stupid, despite not understanding a good deal of what has been said above, but what I have seen in the short sixteen years of my life is that there are people who believe men are superior and women aren't, that women are superior and men aren't, and that men and women are equal. If we're talking about physical build, then it seems like men just naturally become more muscular, etc. as they get older (before becoming old men, I mean) and women are built more towards beauty then physical strength. I'm not being sexist, I'm just saying what I've seen. If you wanna go all Darwinism on me, okay, then wouldn't that be that a long time ago, men were the protectors, hence their strengths, and women were beautiful to attract men to protect them, start a family, hence their beauty, etc.? Personally, I don't believe that the world has been around millions upon millions of years, since there's no concrete proof of that, in fact, there's proof that says otherwise. But anyway, that was what I've seen about men and women physically. Mentally, they seem equal, some would even say women are smarter ( :P ) but I wouldn't know if that's true or not, at school you have guys and girls getting all A's, it doesn't seem like genius has a gender preference. Socially, maybe the reason why you see more guy construction workers then girl construction workers is because men have a build that is more compatible with heavy work? Of course there are exceptions.

I, for one, have never seen one shred of proof countering the current scientific standard for the Earth's age. But that's a different story.

But if you want to go "Darwinism", it would probably be more for women to be child characters, hence breasts, arms shaped perfectly for holding a baby, and a common tendency for a more gentile nature.

EpsilonE July 9th, 2010 8:45 PM

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Originally Posted by poopnoodle (Post 5948143)
being a girl, sometimes i dont think i fit the appearance, if you will, to undertake certain tasks and prefer certain things.

bad example

men have bigger dicks and muscles, girls mature faster and have bigger boobs

okay i've said my fair share

poopnoodle July 9th, 2010 10:07 PM

i've edited the original post with this to prevent further misunderstandings of the topic, and here is just a reminder of what i'm asking.

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i'll put it in simpler terms. gender roles have, more or less, destroyed the individual in a way. not that i'm complaining because it is what it is, i'm just curious about people's stance on the matter, how it affects them, and if they're seeing progress in terms of society's ability to see past the surface of a person.
and no one needs to tell me the differences between men and women, because as i've stated, i'm quite aware. i'm not asking anything about equality.

sorry for any misunderstanding because of the way i've worded things, i can't say i'm the most eloquent speaker xD

lx_theo July 9th, 2010 11:04 PM

Destroyed the individual? Well gender roles have been around, at least from what we can tell, probably about as long as individuality. So if anything, those gender roles have weakened over the past many years.

Though I get your point. Gender roles push people into interests, development of personality and such rather than discovering life as an individual, at least that's how I interpreted it. An issue, maybe, but a serious one to the point that its destroying individuality, I don't think so.

NiKaNoRoU July 9th, 2010 11:33 PM

I feel I'm not affected by gender role weakening at all. I think that there was a good reason gender roles were put, and I would really stumble upon a society that disrupts them.
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Gender roles push people into interests, development of personality and such rather than discovering life as an individual, at least that's how I interpreted it.
That's utterly true. My character has so many different principles about genders, that I can make a list about it:


  • I don't hit girls. No, this is not a gentleman's gesture, but rather a self-disgusted remain from when I hit one, and I felt so terrible that I swore never to do that again.
  • On the other hand, I pick fights with boys. For ridiculous reasons. Then we make up after that. Still, I wouldn't do that with any girl.
  • If I see a boy crying, well, I think a pat in the back or a 'cheer up mate', which I gladly do, will often suffice from me. Whereas, when I see a girl crying, I don't know what to do.
  • I have another level of confidence against people of the same gender, I feel like they know me from before we talk, as we often share the same interests (joketelling, going to that gym in the upper part of the city, football taste, etc), while with the opposite gender I feel enclosed (not shy) to convey my feelings, like happiness or discontent.
  • [General rule] When people are picking on a girl, it's a boy who will come to protect her, not a girl, and that. Won't. Change. Ever. (unless there are only girls around ^_^)



Tl;dr version: I don't treat girls equally as boys, and I'm not planning to. Because I made my personality like this, and I like this distinction of genders.

Dawn July 9th, 2010 11:49 PM

You know, an odd thought occured to me.

No tl;dr in this post, just something that I strangely didn't think of before.

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Originally Posted by lx_theo (Post 5953525)
Destroyed the individual? Well gender roles have been around, at least from what we can tell, probably about as long as individuality. So if anything, those gender roles have weakened over the past many years.

Agreeing with this, I'd say Individuality is destroying gender roles. There's my opinion.

Jolene July 10th, 2010 1:33 AM

Do you mean like how some people think it is weird if you are a girl and you play videogames?

BareBones July 10th, 2010 3:37 AM

I've never really noticed it, y'know? Genders. It's never concerned me. I have guy friends, I have girl friends. I'm bisexual, they're all just my friends, y'know? It's not like I treat any of them different. I guess it's also because I have a friend who is physically female, but very clearly mentally male. And I'm androgynous mentally, I would class myself as both, so I can't really treat one differently.
Gender only matters when it comes to having sex - and by that I mean it's nice to know if you're having sex with a guy or a girl. Doesn't concern me either way, it's just nice to know.
So I suppose I don't treat girls and boys differently, and I don't think I ever will. I know that people are slipping into their genders stereotype, if you feel comfortable with that, then I'm not one to stop you.

And that's my answer... unless I misunderstood the question?

Jorah July 12th, 2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 5952847)
No we aren't. ._. Humans naturally have very clearly defined genders that very naturally play a role in our lives.

Just Google "difference between sex and gender". Sex is biological, gender is cultural. You can get "feminine" males and "masculine" females.

Of course society can affect how we view males and females, just like everything else. Here's a really simple, basic one. Pink is a "feminine colour". On loads of different products, just by changing the colour to pink, it's now a "female version". I'm sure you must've seen it around, from toys, to bathrooms products, to things as ridiculous as glue sticks. Just look at the genders on this site, pink is for girls, blue is for boys. So, does this mean that, biologically, females prefer pink? Or that socialisation has taught us that pink is a feminine colour? There doesn't even seem to be any advantage to anyone over this stereotype o.o Only that it can help marketing. If males like pink then it seems to be something to be made fun of >_> And everyone knows not all girls like pink, so it seems to be an odd stereotype to have, anyway.

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Originally Posted by poopnoodle (Post 5948400)
i'll put it in simpler terms. gender roles have, more or less, destroyed the individual in a way.

That's a pretty strong opinion. Why do you think this? You're on a Pokemon forum, so I presume that you like Pokemon, which is considered masculine. But the view that video games are for males hasn't actually stopped you from playing the games, or at least from joining the forum. If there were any reason for that, it would most probably be because it's viewed as childish.

Amaruuk July 12th, 2010 7:18 PM

I always felt myself not fitting the majority of female 'gender roles'. I've always been a tomboy 'cause when I was little my younger brothers were my only close companions, and all the girls at school were little rich brats with their cliques and wanted nothing to do with me. Due to that I feel more comfortable befriending guys than girls. I guess I'm a bit biased myself about women's behavior in friendships versus men's and can't really understand or relate to a lot of stereotypical female behaviors. I also seem to delight all my guy friends (and my boyfriend) by defying the female roles and stereotypes but still being unquestionably feminine X3

I don't have to be a shoe-hoarding, makeup-caking, glued-to-the-cell-phone, walking stereotype, and frankly I don't know anyone who likes people to be cookie-cutter things like that. It sure is boring and superficial. Everybody has at least something about them that sets them apart; it's why we're humans and not some factory-produced product dreamed up by the media.

I find that yes, as time passes more emphasis is being put on individuality and less on gender roles. I think it's awesome and makes people focus more on liking someone for who they are rather than what mold they fit, and makes it more possible to form deeper, stronger bonds with one another. After all, aren't quirks, differences, and deviations from 'the norm' what make life and people interesting?

Melody July 12th, 2010 7:25 PM

Part of what I hate is the part about gender roles where girls can act perfectly boyish and not be ostracized nearly as bad as a guy would be for being feminine. Seriously. If you take a close look at how some people treat gay guys who are just naturally feminine, you'll see that they get picked on far more than a girl would for being boyish and acting/dressing like a man. Seriously, it feels so unfair, especially for guys like me who WANT to try feminine things, but simply cannot out of fear that we'll be harassed if we do.

As Kinarii said, I feel like I shouldn't have to be a typical guy, who likes sports, football and other macho things. Who says I have to let the stereotypes define who I am? Who I am is based upon all of those whom I adore, respect, and enjoy. I learn from everyone, not just guys.

poopnoodle July 12th, 2010 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorah (Post 5961929)
That's a pretty strong opinion. Why do you think this? You're on a Pokemon forum, so I presume that you like Pokemon, which is considered masculine. But the view that video games are for males hasn't actually stopped you from playing the games, or at least from joining the forum. If there were any reason for that, it would most probably be because it's viewed as childish.

growing up in a small, conservative town where girls are supposed to behave a certain way, appear a certain way, and the boys believe girls are to submit to them. i've always been sort of outcasted for my more liberal and unconventional behavior and views, so that's why i feel a bit more strongly than others about it.

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Originally Posted by Kinarii

I find that yes, as time passes more emphasis is being put on individuality and less on gender roles. I think it's awesome and makes people focus more on liking someone for who they are rather than what mold they fit, and makes it more possible to form deeper, stronger bonds with one another. After all, aren't quirks, differences, and deviations from 'the norm' what make life and people interesting?

i agree, and for that i'm learning to appreciate generalizations. without social "norms" i suppose we wouldn't discover people who explore beyond the norms, and people-watching wouldn't be as fun xD it's just not cool when people are harassed for expressing themselves in unconventional ways u___u i just wish people were a little more accepting

Guillermo July 12th, 2010 8:13 PM

This tends to be the case at younger years, rather than adult years. Well from what I've noticed, anyway. I don't let stereotypes define who I am, but a lot of the things I do are indeed what stereotypical males would do.

Amaruuk July 12th, 2010 8:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Guillermo (Post 5963850)
This tends to be the case at younger years, rather than adult years. Well from what I've noticed, anyway. I don't let stereotypes define who I am, but a lot of the things I do are indeed what stereotypical males would do.

Yeah, kids and teens can be cruel little buggers to each other for the most absurd reasons (though adults can be just as irrational). I have found that many people outgrow those ways or learn/figure out how foolish they were.

@Pachy: Yeah, some of my male friends like what might be considered 'girly' stuff but they're still dudes just the same. Real friends don't judge, and if you've got some of those, that's all that really matters, eh?

lx_theo July 12th, 2010 8:43 PM

I think that gender roles are more prominent at younger ages.

At young ages, you are learning, and socially and often induced by family, you'll be introduced to the stereotypes and as a free mind without much thought to it, will most likely attach yourself (usually the one that is your physical gender) to it and learn to be "that gender" gender role wise. But this isn't solely a social movement in one's life. Hormones and other physical traits about each gender will most likely push you to one path as well, explaining the stereotypes of each role beyond physical traits of the adults of each gender.

Soon enough, after you've learned your gender growing up (maybe even learned the other some should you have been pressured towards yours) you'll come to your independence phase come adolescence and find the area of the spectrum that fits you best. Though society has a tendency to hate things that are different than them, and to go too far on the other side of the spectrum will often be frowned upon, and deters too much movement. Adolescence is also a time of finding belonging, and that factors into the implications of the before mentioned society's status.

Adulthood usually makes people less caring of belonging beyond their family, friends, and possibly community (town, neighborhood, country, etc.) rather than society in general. With that in mind, it'll free up the ability to be whoever you are. Though, there are exceptions of course.

TrainerShane July 13th, 2010 12:32 AM

Gender roles have existed since the dawn of the human race and shall continue on until the day our species is extinct.

HOWEVER, we need to understand the difference between cultural gender roles(formative) and real gender roles. Cultural gender roles are laughable constructs fabricated by society for a number of reasons but most without any actual basis in reality. The only ground they can claim as foundation is that of real, true gender roles, the roles determined before we were even born. However, these things are separate.

Take me for example. I am a twenty-one year old male in the United States. I enjoy video games, played High School football and baseball, and generally enjoy most things that society has deemed acceptable. However, give me the choice of skirts or jeans and it isn't a contest-I prefer skirts. I also prefer most female clothing, something which breaks cultural gender roles.

However, it does not have any baring on the actual gender role I was assigned, and as such, has no effective rebuttal in the discussion of gender role.

Fluorii July 14th, 2010 4:05 AM

I hate stereotypes. I never really fit in with other girls; most of my friends are guys. Although, these days, I dress and try to act feminine. I figure I can sacrifice personal expression for social harmony. It's really not that bad. My close friends know what I'm really like.

Alakazam17 July 14th, 2010 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pachy (Post 5963716)
Part of what I hate is the part about gender roles where girls can act perfectly boyish and not be ostracized nearly as bad as a guy would be for being feminine. Seriously. If you take a close look at how some people treat gay guys who are just naturally feminine, you'll see that they get picked on far more than a girl would for being boyish and acting/dressing like a man. Seriously, it feels so unfair, especially for guys like me who WANT to try feminine things, but simply cannot out of fear that we'll be harassed if we do.

As Kinarii said, I feel like I shouldn't have to be a typical guy, who likes sports, football and other macho things. Who says I have to let the stereotypes define who I am? Who I am is based upon all of those whom I adore, respect, and enjoy. I learn from everyone, not just guys.

That sounds quite like my situation. I've associated more with girls all my life, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Though I've always tried to hide it, thinking about the harassment I know I will get if I don't. I decided on my own when I was little that I would never tell anyone about it, but that all seemed to crack up last year when I told my four best friends, and earlier this month when I told my little brother. XD

Without gender roles, I do think the world would be better. However, I also think that I'm in the minority with regards to this sentiment. Legally there has been a lot of progress, though socially I think it will always be a problem. But that can be said for basically any form of discrimination against a specific group of people. :/

Dawn July 14th, 2010 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alakazam17 (Post 5969756)
Without gender roles, I do think the world would be better.

"In a perfect world..."

There's way too much angst in wishing the death of gender roles. Some of them are completely valid. Some, however, are believed to still be gender roles even after they're no longer the norm for the gender in question. That's a fallacy.

I dare say gender roles are part of individuality, and it would be nothing but censorship to attempt to destroy them. The are after all, just research and statistics.

Bla bla bla Girls n' Boys are not equal and this is a good thing.

TL;DR
Gender roles don't hurt people. People who use gender roles incorrectly hurt people.

Alakazam17 July 14th, 2010 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 5969900)
"In a perfect world..."

Well, I thought that bit was implied. The world would be better without prisons as well, "in a perfect world" where crime doesn't exist.

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There's way too much angst in wishing the death of gender roles. Some of them are completely valid.
I don't wish the death of them entirely; in fact, I agree that some of them are valid. Little boys most often prefer to play with trucks, and little girls often prefer to play with dolls. That's not something that is imposed on them in most cases. What I do wish the death of is the notion that a boy playing with dolls or a girl playing with trucks is a bad thing. They break away from the norm, but so what?

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Some, however, are believed to still be gender roles even after they're no longer the norm for the gender in question. That's a fallacy.
I'd have used the term 'ignorance,' but whatever.

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I dare say gender roles are part of individuality, and it would be nothing but censorship to attempt to destroy them. The are after all, just research and statistics.
I started thinking I agreed with you, but now I'm not too sure. So, for instance, if a male started living under a female's "gender role," would you consider that destruction or not? If yes, I don't agree with you. XD

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Bla bla bla Girls n' Boys are not equal and this is a good thing.
Definitely agree here. =P

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Gender roles don't hurt people. People who use gender roles incorrectly hurt people.
And here.

Teara July 14th, 2010 3:19 PM

I enjoy my feminism and use it to my advantage. When I fish, I don't have to bait my hook, because I'm girly :3
On the other hand, I don't carry a purse and like working on cars.

§acred†Beo! July 15th, 2010 12:49 PM

Gender in my mind is just a word to describe the anatomy of a person. It really can't be used when talking about a persons personality though.

For example i'm a male, but at the same time I tend to be more feminine when it comes to certain things.

lx_theo July 15th, 2010 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by §acred†Beo! (Post 5972244)
Gender in my mind is just a word to describe the anatomy of a person. It really can't be used when talking about a persons personality though.

For example i'm a male, but at the same time I tend to be more feminine when it comes to certain things.

Nah, technically sex is what refers to biological status and gender is the mental status.

Amaruuk July 18th, 2010 9:24 AM

@Yellow: I agree with that whole post there.

@Pachy and anyone else in his situation: I forgot to mention. For straight guys, I think it's good to have a feminine side, too. From what I know of chicks, even tomboys like myself like a guy not to be totally macho, but to have a bit of both sides. We think it's adorable when a guy likes something we like, just as much as we might like a guy to be 'manly'. Personally I can't stand overly-macho football-jock-gun-enthusiast types. Though, there are chicks that like that stuff too, so no matter what gender you are or where on the spectrum you are, there are others like you, and if people pick on you for it then they can just buzz off. They're not worth it.

Melody August 11th, 2010 7:27 PM

Gender Stereotypes
 
Here's a good discussion point, how many of you have had to tolerate others expecting you to do something which conforms to the norms of your gender (Physical) when the exact thing you're pressured to do is just not within your character? Do you think that the current stereotypes and standards are fair? Discuss them here, but keep it civil and try not to spam the thread up with debates...if it gets heated, Chibi gets crankeh. o.o

Personally I don't think they're entirely fair. Most gender based expectations need to take second seat to the character of the person. Not all men feel like they have to wear drab colors all the time, nor do all girls feel the need to dress up and be girly all the time.

The perplexing thing is that girls can act quite boyish, and no one bats an eye. A guy goes feminine and people either harass him, assume he's gay or generally dislike the person. It seems kinda unfair if ya know what I mean.

If you're going to post hateful things, you will regret them. Please be civil and be extremely careful not to insult others when replying to their side of the debate.

Surmonter August 11th, 2010 8:30 PM

Me being gay, people often think I am more feminine. When really, I am quite masculine, or what people consider to be masculine. However I do not see it that way. I think..I am just me. People will act how they feel. A boy acting like what society classifies as "feminine" isn't really a boy acting feminine in my eyes. It's a boy acting like himself. The same goes for all. Sure, I have so-called masculine qualities, but I have just as many feminine qualities that people would laugh at me for, but really I don't care, because they make me happy.

I do not think the current standards or stereotypes are fair. But I do understand them.

Here is a perfect double standards regarding gender:

A father is worried about his daughter and boys, but not his son and girls. This is because he thinks the daughter is weaker than the son. The thought is completely unintentional, but it's because of societies views on gender-roles and attributes.

And Pachy brought up a very good point. A girl who acts like a guy is perfectly okay. You know why? Society thinks it's good to be male. But when a guy acts like a girl, it's shunned because society thinks it should be shameful to be female.

Again, these thoughts are unintentional, but they are there. That's just how the world's collective social spectrum is.

I don't agree with any of these thoughts that I have noticed, and have read about from other people. I think everyone is equal, I never really understood gender roles in society. Why is it shameful to be a woman? It's not. So why do some people act that way? :| Oh no, slightly different organs!

I hope I worded this right to get my message across. @[email protected] I don't want to offend anyone because I was stupid and worded something strange!

Pikachu_Charmander4eva August 12th, 2010 1:25 AM

I'm a female and my family expects me to be girly and feminine, but I'm not. I have very low self esteem from all the harassment and bullying I've been through in my life, and I blame most of it on gender stereotypes. I am a "bull dyke" even though I am not a lesbian. It's very humiliating and I don't think I'll ever find that "special someone" because of it.

Also hi, I registered this account over five years ago and never used it. :)

ANARCHit3cht August 12th, 2010 1:43 AM

Well, there are these online college commericals, and it tells girls to do something like go grab slippers. (I forget.) But then she says, "Guys, cover up." I found that to be a somewhat insulting stereotype. Also, girls can hug other girls, hold their hands, call them cute etc... but if a guy does basically anything(bar maybe the hug in some circumstances) he is labeled gay/a weirdo. /sigh.

TRIFORCE89 August 12th, 2010 4:54 AM

The assumption that as a male I watch sports fanatically and religiously (let alone at all, which I don't). At family gatherings I don't really have anything to talk about with my male family members nor can I answer even their apparently simple questions.

crymomma August 12th, 2010 5:46 AM

I think that nobody really care about me. when i told them that i was older. when i was put down like a dog on another forum.

Executive Proton August 12th, 2010 8:03 AM

I find it prevalent that my career choice (film production and editing) has a lot less females that it should have because of the assumption that the filmmaking industry has always been a man's game.

In reality, the few females in my porduction and editing classes are usually the best.

Sydian August 12th, 2010 9:50 AM

I find it stupid that when guys make nasty jokes about their genitals, it's fine, but if girl jokes around about sex, she's looked at awkwardly and the joke isn't even considered humorous. It's hard for girls to even be considered funny because of that situation.

BareBones August 12th, 2010 4:45 PM

I think the entire bloody thing is stupid. I'm a girl, I'm bisexual, and I dress and act like a guy. If I make a sex joke I just get a dirty look, but if a guy makes the same joke, it's hilarious. But meh, I couldn't care less.

Gender stereotypes are just stupid. It annoys me even more that it's fine for a girl to be bisexual, or a lesbian (most the time), but if a guy is gay it's disgusting... and I can go out in shirts, boots and jeans, but if a guy goes out in what would be determined as 'girls clothing' he'd probably get beaten up and verbally abused.

Well. I don't care what you do, and what you say, and how you act. I don't look at gender, it's pointless for everything other than making kids.

digi-kun August 12th, 2010 4:57 PM

Personally, I use gender stereotypes, but those stereotypes are mostly stereotypes that I've come to a conclusion to myself. Gender stereotypes in regard to hobbies and such are mostly outdated at this point, but some of the simpler stereotypes stay the same.

So yes, I do use gender stereotypes up to the points where I actually get to know said person, in which I accommodate topics with that person to within their interests.

Taemin August 12th, 2010 5:07 PM

Ohgosh, this discussion. xD; My family is pretty hardcore into gender stereotypes, or at least the belief that you should want to look or act a certain way 'because you're a girl' or 'because you're a guy'. & then there's me, who hates them. I believe everyone has a right to be themselves, no matter what or who that happens to be. For example, thinking a guy should want to go kick the heck outta other guys, or play hardcore sports, and hate chick flicks just because they're a guy. Or with girls, I suppose it would be "Shouldn't she be wearing make-up? She's 17/ 18/ what-have-you now!", and things similar to that, and it always pisses me off when my mom says things of that nature.

I know guys who wish they were girls, or just do girly things, and prefer it that way. Likewise, I know girls who would rather not be girls at all, or are super tomboyish. & They're some of the most awesome people I know, despite not sticking to gender-related norms, and all that. :/

Charizard★ August 12th, 2010 5:11 PM

My family is also very stereotypical, they don't like girls who act a little bit like guys, or guys that act a little like girls. They are against homosexuals, which I think is wrong. They would always comment on someones sexuality or how the act or dress when they see it. Although in a different language of course so no one could understand them.

My sister brought her gay friend over once and my parents flipped out. I always tell them theres nothing wrong with homosexuals and that they aren't bad people, but they never listen to a word I say. Mainly because my grandma is very religious and taught them to live life normally or something like that.

Every time my family gathers they always have a main topic they talk about. Kind of like gossiping, they sometimes talk about certain people, even their own family remember when they are not around. I find it very wrong and I try to stop it whenever I see it.

Sorry if I went a bit offtopic ><

twocows August 12th, 2010 5:18 PM

Not really, but sometimes I'm seen as weird because I like cute things. It doesn't really bother me, though.

Dawn August 12th, 2010 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alakazam17 (Post 5969973)
I started thinking I agreed with you, but now I'm not too sure. So, for instance, if a male started living under a female's "gender role," would you consider that destruction or not? If yes, I don't agree with you. XD

Eeerrrr... totally late answering this. I wouldn't consider that destruction.

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 6062199)
I find it stupid that when guys make nasty jokes about their genitals, it's fine, but if girl jokes around about sex, she's looked at awkwardly and the joke isn't even considered humorous. It's hard for girls to even be considered funny because of that situation.

I wouldn't call it hard. It's just different. Different humor is enjoyed. So what, y'know? I mean, do most girls where you live like those dirty jokes?


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Originally Posted by BareBones (Post 6063391)
I think the entire bloody thing is stupid. I'm a girl, I'm bisexual, and I dress and act like a guy. If I make a sex joke I just get a dirty look, but if a guy makes the same joke, it's hilarious. But meh, I couldn't care less.

Gender stereotypes are just stupid. It annoys me even more that it's fine for a girl to be bisexual, or a lesbian (most the time), but if a guy is gay it's disgusting... and I can go out in shirts, boots and jeans, but if a guy goes out in what would be determined as 'girls clothing' he'd probably get beaten up and verbally abused.

Well. I don't care what you do, and what you say, and how you act. I don't look at gender, it's pointless for everything other than making kids.

I'm bisexual too. I would under no circumstances identify myself as having a clear gender roll. I don't see why, even though you admit you don't care, you insist on bashing them. If you don't care, why don't you let nature do it's course instead of a pointless unnatural alternative?

Kylie-chan August 13th, 2010 4:27 AM

This is generally a societal thing. Gender is very strange, I completely agree with the title. What we make of gender is generally reinforced by stereotypes and upbringing / traditional gender roles. I think we've been progressing well in acceptance that gender isn't the defining part of a person's identity, although more complex concepts like "gender != sex" are a long way yet, if ever (especially for more conservative people). However, that's generally for women acting like a man is expected to, though it'll still get you labelled a butch. Men who act feminine are generally treated worse in my experience. I have seen and heard some absolutely horrible, ignorant things aimed at women too.

One problem is that for most people, gender is intrinsically tied with biological sex and sexual preference. There's this belief that a relationship is made up of a man and a woman at the heart, and someone must fulfill the role (even in a lesbian relationship, it's stereotyped as butch x femme..) I know this is getting a bit tangential, but as a bisexual girl, I often see other women identify as butch, femme, etc. If anything this is just a label to describe types of behaviour. It's so silly to me that a woman isn't "feminine" because she cuts her hair short, wears man clothes, and is assertive. And yet even in the lesbian community she is categorised as "butch", even if she is very much a woman, and proud to be a woman, and happy with her femininity.

In the end, it's just a commonly accepted matter of semantics. I think it's damaging, but it's pretty much inevitable for now.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi August 13th, 2010 5:25 AM

Should any type of steryotypical roles or ideas exist at all?

no.

Do they exist?

Yes. :C

Now why is that?

....I- I don't know? I mean, I don't see a need for it.

Oh, you don't see a need for it? You know why that is?

I dunno, why?

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT STUPID.


It's outwardly ridiculous (in a bad way :D) about how much people go around and label people about how they should act, do, and be interested in.
Because thier rather insecure about themselves, they grew up in a family that brainwashed them into thinking this way, or they're stupid all on thier own.

The only difference I see in men and women is thier body structure.

Sure, I find myself being more engaged in more male-orientated activites, but that's because I'm me. I'm not feminine.

People should look at the person for them just being themselves, instead of a freak of nature.
I mean, girls can be more of a dominant partner while guys can be submissive partners sometimes, it all depends on the person.

Not everything follows the social grind of normality, in fact, many things don't BECAUSE WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
It's just that most of society frowns upon it, because they can't handle "different."

I'm proud to be "wierd," because it means I'm an individual, and not dime a dozen.

Gender should never matter. Neither should race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, where you live, etc.

Timbjerr August 19th, 2010 7:18 PM

I can pretty much agree with the majority viewpoint in this thread. Gender roles exist. They're not necessarily bad things. Being ridiculed for not fitting into your biological gender role is lame.

I'm just amazed at the amount of passion that most of you guys have over this issue. I was a boy born and raised in a politically accepting environment (in Texas no less...talk about defying stereotypes) and I eventually embraced a generally masculine gender role. I've had values instilled into me from a young age (by my dad...a staunch Republican no less) to judge people solely on their character, not on any labels I perceive them having, so it was...interesting reading these stories from people who have genuinely had to face such hardships in their life.

SonicThrust August 20th, 2010 8:03 AM

Personally I find many of the 'harmless' male stereotypes annoying. People ask me to do heavy lifting or physically demanding jobs/favours instead of a girl simply because I'm male and therefore, should be stronger. Additionally, the assumption that all guys should like sports is ridiculous, but I'm faced with it all the time. I really don't like sports, I don't like playing then and I don't like watching them, yet people find this weird and really it gives me nothing to talk about with most other guys...no wonder most of my friends are female.

Mirby August 20th, 2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew (Post 6063444)
I know guys who wish they were girls, or just do girly things, and prefer it that way. Likewise, I know girls who would rather not be girls at all, or are super tomboyish. & They're some of the most awesome people I know, despite not sticking to gender-related norms, and all that. :/

Gee, I can think of people that fit these roles perfectly... :P

Yeah, I'm trans, and I want to be a girl. And even if I'm trying to go into a different gender role, I'm not going to follow it.

Oh wait, I don't even believe in gender. To me, gender is what one really is (sex is the physical indicator). Or something. I don't really care. I am who I am, and if you don't like it, tough.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Theodor Geisel

One of my favorite quotes right there.

Gardenia101 August 20th, 2010 12:53 PM

Yeah, there are waaay too many stereotypes.
And it's really weird, because:
1.I'm the only girl that doesn't wear make-up
2.I still am better than all the boys at running
3.I wear jerseys and soccer shorts
4.I like war games

Kinda creepy, isn't it? I'm the ultimate tomboy. But often when I go on forums and don't say if I'm boy or girl, people always refer to me as a "He". Hmm.

SometimesI wish I was a boy, too, because everyone keeps expecting me to like Volleyball over everything, love pink, etc. And, really, only a FEW girls are like that!

Grrr....

Melody August 20th, 2010 5:28 PM

Honestly, I feel that if society could be educated in a way that defines gender as the sex of the character and nothing more. Then we could further expand upon the idea by saying that girls don't need to be girly, and boys don't need to be boyish.

That being said, I never did feel as if the stereotypes themselves were completely flawed. They're just enforced improperly. I believe it's been found that being Female is the default gender of the human body, and you don't become male unless you inherited the Y chromosome from your father, which is left largely up to chance...and the rules of genetics.

Mirby August 20th, 2010 5:34 PM

That is true. But that only applies to the physical part; mentally, it can still different.

SIN1488 August 20th, 2010 6:11 PM

I just read the title and not the discussion, but I think the origins of gender is kind of strange. If we came from single-celled organisms which are asexual, at what point was it more efficient for there to be 2 different genders needed to reproduce physically?

Throat August 21st, 2010 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6090415)
I just read the title and not the discussion, but I think the origins of gender is kind of strange. If we came from single-celled organisms which are asexual, at what point was it more efficient for there to be 2 different genders needed to reproduce physically?

Because there will be genetic variation which means there'll be many different genotypes.

That's the you've been raised, now move on and, should you have kids, raise them as you please, without gender stereotypes.

Legobricks August 23rd, 2010 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gardenia101 (Post 6089695)
often when I go on forums and don't say if I'm boy or girl, people always refer to me as a "He". Hmm.

'He' is the just the default pronoun in English, since 'it' is only used to refer to objects (or, if used in reference to persons, only pejoratively). Males historically being dominant in society is, I presume, why it's not 'she'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6090415)
I just read the title and not the discussion, but I think the origins of gender is kind of strange. If we came from single-celled organisms which are asexual, at what point was it more efficient for there to be 2 different genders needed to reproduce physically?

Edit: True I did miss the point, SIN1488.

Magik?! August 23rd, 2010 2:02 AM

I think that the social roles that exist all come from sensible causes, such as the idea (that's being destroyed now) that women should be at home with the children... why did that develop? Because the man would have been out hunting and the babies needed looking after or protecting. Perfectly reasonable at that time, but now it's a belief that is no longer valid, as we have other people to look after our children and we have other jobs that mean we can only work when they're at school for example.

Other views like 'I won't hit a girl' are ones that I still find valid - girls might playfight with brothers or cousins or whatever, but on the whole, if a male hits a girl in a way that hurts her, it will make a big impact to her, physically and mentally. Physically, women are weaker than men and because most of us don't do the whole rough-and-tumble thing as kids, we bruise easier and are generally hurt easier. Mentally, we see the male hitting us as a sign that we did something wrong or that we're inferior, which I would guess is different from how males take it.

Obviously I'm speaking generally about what I've witnessed and stuff, and obviously there are exceptions (female wrestlers etc), and I'm only really talking about the developed world, not about the places where genders are still separated or treated very differently.

I wouldn't say gender roles are taking away our individuality, I actually think we're coming into an age of time where individuality is the most important thing in our society. I think that definitely, certain gender roles no longer serve the purpose they used to and, along with certain gender stereotypes (girls wear pink, boys play with action figures etc), they should be ignored and removed from society. By the same means, I don't think they should all be removed, some of them are there for reasons, and as many people have stated before men and women are different, which inevitably means they should be treated slightly differently and expected to do slightly different things.

I hope our society changes so that instead of people doing what they're expected to do, they do what they want to do, in all areas. I don't think old expectations should restrict people from doing specific jobs or fulfilling specific roles in the family because of their genders.

Mirby August 23rd, 2010 2:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Magik?! (Post 6096588)
~stuffz~

I'm not sure how to interpret that. On one hand, it sounds like you think that stereotypes are bad, but on the other you say they're good. I'm confused...

Sewzie August 23rd, 2010 6:31 AM

Well, there are times when I fail to notice gender, probably because most individuals now don't seem to fit into any stereotype (and of course, gender stereotypes), so I tend to forget that they even have a sex (it's a little hard to explain. It's like I see their essence as a human being more... okay, creepy.).

Bloo August 23rd, 2010 6:33 AM

It has been proven, that when a woman has a boy in her womb, it treats the boy as a foreign object, and send antibodies that makes the baby more feminine, causing its gender to be somewhat altered. So there is no 100% boy. But what happens is if the baby has an older brother, then, the body gets used to the foreign object and knows what to do, and the women sends MORE antibodies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PooEhBxh0NY

Murmansk August 23rd, 2010 8:32 AM

The whole issue seems sort of strange to me. I guess it's sort of hard to find overarching gender features and roles when you simply want to look at people as individuals.
I'm a guy, yeah. Do I like feminine stuff? I don't know. Do I like masculine stuff? I don't know. It's sort of hard for me to find the blurry lines that divide people eternally when common bonds are so much more delightful.

SIN1488 August 23rd, 2010 9:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlooMilk C. (Post 6096956)
It has been proven, that when a woman has a boy in her womb, it treats the boy as a foreign object, and send antibodies that makes the baby more feminine, causing its gender to be somewhat altered. So there is no 100% boy. But what happens is if the baby has an older brother, then, the body gets used to the foreign object and knows what to do, and the women sends MORE antibodies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PooEhBxh0NY

That's interesting, never heard of that one. But why would the antibodies try to change it, rather than just killing it like they do with smaller foreign bodies?

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Originally Posted by Cassino (Post 6096506)


Since we're multicellular and very complex even at that, it's impossible for us simply to divide.

You miss the point though, the question was how did we get to the point that we needed to split? Or, how did we go from being asexual organisms to ones having two sexes?

Bloo August 24th, 2010 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6097254)
That's interesting, never heard of that one. But why would the antibodies try to change it, rather than just killing it like they do with smaller foreign bodies?

I think it is because We're able to fight it off. Though I have no idea.

Melody August 24th, 2010 2:35 PM

Perhaps the only part of the fetus that it's attacking are cells which secrete male hormones or cells related to reproduction. Of course since the fetus does possess it's own immune system after a certain point, it may be able to fend the antibodies off long enough to develop them properly. I'm not a doctor so I don't really know what the antibodies and antigens are attacking exactly. Perhaps you could research that?

To be honest I'm the second male child that my mother had, she lost the first about halfway through the pregnancy, but that's training enough for any immune system I'd say. Not to mention that I've always had feelings for guys too, so yeah. I'm bisexual. (Though I try to avoid male relationships when it's possible, but it is sometimes hard to do if the one I like is gay or bi himself.)

SIN1488 August 24th, 2010 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pachy (Post 6100580)
Perhaps the only part of the fetus that it's attacking are cells which secrete male hormones or cells related to reproduction. Of course since the fetus does possess it's own immune system after a certain point, it may be able to fend the antibodies off long enough to develop them properly. I'm not a doctor so I don't really know what the antibodies and antigens are attacking exactly.

All I know is that antibodies in humans attack bodies that it doesn't recognize. For example, if a bacteria got in your system, your immune system would try to fight it off. But some bacteria, like the helpful ones in your stomach, can stay in there without the immune system trying to fight it off. So that's why I find it weird that the body would even try to fight off something that it naturally produces. I mean, without getting into too much detail here, I don't think the body fights off foreign reproductive cells. And since the fetus is produced in a woman's body, why wouldn't the antibodies recognize that? Are they all like: "Yo! You don't belong in this hood, fetus!" :S

Maybe it's a necessary part of development though? This is something I want to look into now, among other things.

Bloo August 24th, 2010 3:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pachy (Post 6100580)
Perhaps the only part of the fetus that it's attacking are cells which secrete male hormones or cells related to reproduction. Of course since the fetus does possess it's own immune system after a certain point, it may be able to fend the antibodies off long enough to develop them properly. I'm not a doctor so I don't really know what the antibodies and antigens are attacking exactly. Perhaps you could research that?

To be honest I'm the second male child that my mother had, she lost the first about halfway through the pregnancy, but that's training enough for any immune system I'd say. Not to mention that I've always had feelings for guys too, so yeah. I'm bisexual. (Though I try to avoid male relationships when it's possible, but it is sometimes hard to do if the one I like is gay or bi himself.)

I have the same situation, but My older brother is alive. I'll look more up! I hope this ends up as an influential thread, so I can discover this more.
EDIT: Info!
It could also not be a physical change, because people who have grown up with non-biological older brother, also turn up gay sometimes because of a psycological change in them, I think it imposes on people telling the boys what it good and what is bad for them.

Mirby August 24th, 2010 3:39 PM

Hell, I was the second son, and now I'm on my way to becoming the first daughter. That may say something.

That, and I am built quite femininely. Maybe it was the extra 3 weeks I was in the womb. ;)

SIN1488 August 24th, 2010 7:33 PM

I haven't really looked into this stuff much, but I did learn one thing about it which may be one reason why the fetus is attacked by antibodies. Have any of you heard how if you put a different type of blood in a persons body (Like A positive, AB negative, etc.) then it rejects it. Well if the fetus has a different blood type than the mother, then the mothers body must try to reject it since the blood stream is connected.

MushroomZOMBIE August 24th, 2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6101141)
I haven't really looked into this stuff much, but I did learn one thing about it which may be one reason why the fetus is attacked by antibodies. Have any of you heard how if you put a different type of blood in a persons body (Like A positive, AB negative, etc.) then it rejects it. Well if the fetus has a different blood type than the mother, then the mothers body must try to reject it since the blood stream is connected.

That's a completely different thing that has nothing to do with gender.

OT: It also goes with Rh positive and Rh negative. When you're pregnant and your Rh factor is negative and the father is positive [for example], you need an injection to prevent the rejection of the fetus. So even if you're compatible blood-type wise, your Rh factor can determine if your body will say "GTFO foreign object" or not.

GFA August 25th, 2010 2:50 PM

Screw the rules. Do what you want. Hell, I'd rather stay at home taking care of kids then have some monkey-suit job. I also think leather is sexy and like the colour purple.

Just have fun. You only live once.

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Originally Posted by Mirby (Post 6100678)
That, and I am built quite femininely. Maybe it was the extra 3 weeks I was in the womb. ;)

Nope. You start as a girl, and if you're going to be a boy you turn into one. 3 Weeks late just means they should've cut you out.

Ayselipera August 25th, 2010 3:18 PM

Gender stereotypes are annoying and frustrating at times when you come across someone who can't see it any other way. I like to go by the saying, "Arguing with a fool proves there are two." So I just carry on and do whatever I feel like.

Bloo August 27th, 2010 9:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassino (Post 6096506)
'He' is the just the default pronoun in English, since 'it' is only used to refer to objects (or, if used in reference to persons, only pejoratively). Males historically being dominant in society is, I presume, why it's not 'she'.


Edit: True I did miss the point, SIN1488.

My cousin always says that when people call her dog "he" that males are trying to dominate the world. Actually, this is the case XD

GFA August 27th, 2010 12:24 PM

What do you mean trying? We do. Mostly. Their are so few women in few of counrtries. Chile and Germany. That's all I can think of.

Guillermo August 27th, 2010 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GFA (Post 6102948)
Screw the rules. Do what you want. Hell, I'd rather stay at home taking care of kids then have some monkey-suit job. I also think leather is sexy and like the colour purple.

Preferably without going to jail, yeah?

GFA August 28th, 2010 5:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Guillermo (Post 6109455)
Preferably without going to jail, yeah?

Yes, but none of those things can get me sent to Jail. What exactly s your pont.


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