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Part of what I hate is the part about gender roles where girls can act perfectly boyish and not be ostracized nearly as bad as a guy would be for being feminine. Seriously. If you take a close look at how some people treat gay guys who are just naturally feminine, you'll see that they get picked on far more than a girl would for being boyish and acting/dressing like a man. Seriously, it feels so unfair, especially for guys like me who WANT to try feminine things, but simply cannot out of fear that we'll be harassed if we do.
As Kinarii said, I feel like I shouldn't have to be a typical guy, who likes sports, football and other macho things. Who says I have to let the stereotypes define who I am? Who I am is based upon all of those whom I adore, respect, and enjoy. I learn from everyone, not just guys. |
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This tends to be the case at younger years, rather than adult years. Well from what I've noticed, anyway. I don't let stereotypes define who I am, but a lot of the things I do are indeed what stereotypical males would do.
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@Pachy: Yeah, some of my male friends like what might be considered 'girly' stuff but they're still dudes just the same. Real friends don't judge, and if you've got some of those, that's all that really matters, eh? |
I think that gender roles are more prominent at younger ages.
At young ages, you are learning, and socially and often induced by family, you'll be introduced to the stereotypes and as a free mind without much thought to it, will most likely attach yourself (usually the one that is your physical gender) to it and learn to be "that gender" gender role wise. But this isn't solely a social movement in one's life. Hormones and other physical traits about each gender will most likely push you to one path as well, explaining the stereotypes of each role beyond physical traits of the adults of each gender. Soon enough, after you've learned your gender growing up (maybe even learned the other some should you have been pressured towards yours) you'll come to your independence phase come adolescence and find the area of the spectrum that fits you best. Though society has a tendency to hate things that are different than them, and to go too far on the other side of the spectrum will often be frowned upon, and deters too much movement. Adolescence is also a time of finding belonging, and that factors into the implications of the before mentioned society's status. Adulthood usually makes people less caring of belonging beyond their family, friends, and possibly community (town, neighborhood, country, etc.) rather than society in general. With that in mind, it'll free up the ability to be whoever you are. Though, there are exceptions of course. |
Gender roles have existed since the dawn of the human race and shall continue on until the day our species is extinct.
HOWEVER, we need to understand the difference between cultural gender roles(formative) and real gender roles. Cultural gender roles are laughable constructs fabricated by society for a number of reasons but most without any actual basis in reality. The only ground they can claim as foundation is that of real, true gender roles, the roles determined before we were even born. However, these things are separate. Take me for example. I am a twenty-one year old male in the United States. I enjoy video games, played High School football and baseball, and generally enjoy most things that society has deemed acceptable. However, give me the choice of skirts or jeans and it isn't a contest-I prefer skirts. I also prefer most female clothing, something which breaks cultural gender roles. However, it does not have any baring on the actual gender role I was assigned, and as such, has no effective rebuttal in the discussion of gender role. |
I hate stereotypes. I never really fit in with other girls; most of my friends are guys. Although, these days, I dress and try to act feminine. I figure I can sacrifice personal expression for social harmony. It's really not that bad. My close friends know what I'm really like.
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Without gender roles, I do think the world would be better. However, I also think that I'm in the minority with regards to this sentiment. Legally there has been a lot of progress, though socially I think it will always be a problem. But that can be said for basically any form of discrimination against a specific group of people. :/ |
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There's way too much angst in wishing the death of gender roles. Some of them are completely valid. Some, however, are believed to still be gender roles even after they're no longer the norm for the gender in question. That's a fallacy. I dare say gender roles are part of individuality, and it would be nothing but censorship to attempt to destroy them. The are after all, just research and statistics. Bla bla bla Girls n' Boys are not equal and this is a good thing. TL;DR Gender roles don't hurt people. People who use gender roles incorrectly hurt people. |
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I enjoy my feminism and use it to my advantage. When I fish, I don't have to bait my hook, because I'm girly :3
On the other hand, I don't carry a purse and like working on cars. |
Gender in my mind is just a word to describe the anatomy of a person. It really can't be used when talking about a persons personality though.
For example i'm a male, but at the same time I tend to be more feminine when it comes to certain things. |
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@Yellow: I agree with that whole post there.
@Pachy and anyone else in his situation: I forgot to mention. For straight guys, I think it's good to have a feminine side, too. From what I know of chicks, even tomboys like myself like a guy not to be totally macho, but to have a bit of both sides. We think it's adorable when a guy likes something we like, just as much as we might like a guy to be 'manly'. Personally I can't stand overly-macho football-jock-gun-enthusiast types. Though, there are chicks that like that stuff too, so no matter what gender you are or where on the spectrum you are, there are others like you, and if people pick on you for it then they can just buzz off. They're not worth it. |
Gender Stereotypes
Here's a good discussion point, how many of you have had to tolerate others expecting you to do something which conforms to the norms of your gender (Physical) when the exact thing you're pressured to do is just not within your character? Do you think that the current stereotypes and standards are fair? Discuss them here, but keep it civil and try not to spam the thread up with debates...if it gets heated, Chibi gets crankeh. o.o
Personally I don't think they're entirely fair. Most gender based expectations need to take second seat to the character of the person. Not all men feel like they have to wear drab colors all the time, nor do all girls feel the need to dress up and be girly all the time. The perplexing thing is that girls can act quite boyish, and no one bats an eye. A guy goes feminine and people either harass him, assume he's gay or generally dislike the person. It seems kinda unfair if ya know what I mean. If you're going to post hateful things, you will regret them. Please be civil and be extremely careful not to insult others when replying to their side of the debate. |
Me being gay, people often think I am more feminine. When really, I am quite masculine, or what people consider to be masculine. However I do not see it that way. I think..I am just me. People will act how they feel. A boy acting like what society classifies as "feminine" isn't really a boy acting feminine in my eyes. It's a boy acting like himself. The same goes for all. Sure, I have so-called masculine qualities, but I have just as many feminine qualities that people would laugh at me for, but really I don't care, because they make me happy.
I do not think the current standards or stereotypes are fair. But I do understand them. Here is a perfect double standards regarding gender: A father is worried about his daughter and boys, but not his son and girls. This is because he thinks the daughter is weaker than the son. The thought is completely unintentional, but it's because of societies views on gender-roles and attributes. And Pachy brought up a very good point. A girl who acts like a guy is perfectly okay. You know why? Society thinks it's good to be male. But when a guy acts like a girl, it's shunned because society thinks it should be shameful to be female. Again, these thoughts are unintentional, but they are there. That's just how the world's collective social spectrum is. I don't agree with any of these thoughts that I have noticed, and have read about from other people. I think everyone is equal, I never really understood gender roles in society. Why is it shameful to be a woman? It's not. So why do some people act that way? :| Oh no, slightly different organs! I hope I worded this right to get my message across. @[email protected] I don't want to offend anyone because I was stupid and worded something strange! |
I'm a female and my family expects me to be girly and feminine, but I'm not. I have very low self esteem from all the harassment and bullying I've been through in my life, and I blame most of it on gender stereotypes. I am a "bull dyke" even though I am not a lesbian. It's very humiliating and I don't think I'll ever find that "special someone" because of it.
Also hi, I registered this account over five years ago and never used it. :) |
Well, there are these online college commericals, and it tells girls to do something like go grab slippers. (I forget.) But then she says, "Guys, cover up." I found that to be a somewhat insulting stereotype. Also, girls can hug other girls, hold their hands, call them cute etc... but if a guy does basically anything(bar maybe the hug in some circumstances) he is labeled gay/a weirdo. /sigh.
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The assumption that as a male I watch sports fanatically and religiously (let alone at all, which I don't). At family gatherings I don't really have anything to talk about with my male family members nor can I answer even their apparently simple questions.
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I think that nobody really care about me. when i told them that i was older. when i was put down like a dog on another forum.
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I find it prevalent that my career choice (film production and editing) has a lot less females that it should have because of the assumption that the filmmaking industry has always been a man's game.
In reality, the few females in my porduction and editing classes are usually the best. |
I find it stupid that when guys make nasty jokes about their genitals, it's fine, but if girl jokes around about sex, she's looked at awkwardly and the joke isn't even considered humorous. It's hard for girls to even be considered funny because of that situation.
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I think the entire bloody thing is stupid. I'm a girl, I'm bisexual, and I dress and act like a guy. If I make a sex joke I just get a dirty look, but if a guy makes the same joke, it's hilarious. But meh, I couldn't care less.
Gender stereotypes are just stupid. It annoys me even more that it's fine for a girl to be bisexual, or a lesbian (most the time), but if a guy is gay it's disgusting... and I can go out in shirts, boots and jeans, but if a guy goes out in what would be determined as 'girls clothing' he'd probably get beaten up and verbally abused. Well. I don't care what you do, and what you say, and how you act. I don't look at gender, it's pointless for everything other than making kids. |
Personally, I use gender stereotypes, but those stereotypes are mostly stereotypes that I've come to a conclusion to myself. Gender stereotypes in regard to hobbies and such are mostly outdated at this point, but some of the simpler stereotypes stay the same.
So yes, I do use gender stereotypes up to the points where I actually get to know said person, in which I accommodate topics with that person to within their interests. |
Ohgosh, this discussion. xD; My family is pretty hardcore into gender stereotypes, or at least the belief that you should want to look or act a certain way 'because you're a girl' or 'because you're a guy'. & then there's me, who hates them. I believe everyone has a right to be themselves, no matter what or who that happens to be. For example, thinking a guy should want to go kick the heck outta other guys, or play hardcore sports, and hate chick flicks just because they're a guy. Or with girls, I suppose it would be "Shouldn't she be wearing make-up? She's 17/ 18/ what-have-you now!", and things similar to that, and it always pisses me off when my mom says things of that nature.
I know guys who wish they were girls, or just do girly things, and prefer it that way. Likewise, I know girls who would rather not be girls at all, or are super tomboyish. & They're some of the most awesome people I know, despite not sticking to gender-related norms, and all that. :/ |
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