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Kenshin5 October 14th, 2011 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AlfaTyrogue (Post 6888528)
#2: Guys, unless Obito came back from the dead, got a new half body, learned advanced space-time jutsu and grew to a grown-up man able do defeat the fourth Hokage in 2 YEARS, this theory is downright trash.
Kakashi was 12 when Obito died. He was 14 when the Kyubi attacked. I hope this is end of story.

#3: No. Izuna died. Izuna loved Konoha. Izuna just isn't the one, though that would make an interesting subplot with the two brothers.

Pretty sure Impure World Summoning restores them to when they were at their peak and the peak of Obito was as a little kid, which Masked Madara is clearly not in the form of a little kid. And I am pretty sure dead people wouldn't age so that wouldn't explain why Masked Madara would be an adult if he was Obito. He would have had to survived being crushed for this to even occur, and since they didn't recover his body there is that possibility. But again I don't see the motivation for all this bs.

As far as Izuna goes how do we know he loved Konoha? At the time the Uchiha were at war with the Senju so there wasn't much love going on around. For all we know instead Izuna giving his eyes to Madara it could have been the other way around or forced to give. Either way it could be a possibility.

I don't see why Kagami who was a sub character in Danzo flashback as a key antagonist and mastermind behind all this. Regardless of the explanation he doesn't seem any more likely then the ones Live first brought up.

Weeaboo Name October 15th, 2011 2:02 AM

Did anyone happen to see Bill Bailey's shirt on QI the other day?

I lol'd,

AlfaTyrogue October 15th, 2011 3:53 AM

Well no matter your thoughts, I still think the Kagami-theory is the best one around.
Or maybe... he actually IS a part of Madara... this Tobi character might have been the dark part of him still living wanting revenge against Konoha... so he actually speaks the truth...
But I think many people forget his statement about giving Nagato the rinnegan. That is still a mystery...

Honestly if I hadn't read any forums with theories I would be very, VERY surprised right now.
Masashi has actually built up a lot of suspense and mystery around this "Madara" since the war was about to begin.
His weird statements like giving Nagato Rinnegan and such plus his weird fetish for Sharingan-eyes...

Naruto has always been an awesome series, and Kishi knows that when responding to the fans like this it will be even better.

war rock exe October 15th, 2011 6:42 PM

well madara ISN'T an uchiha

AlfaTyrogue October 15th, 2011 11:56 PM

........ what?
Madara is an Uchiha. Hell, he was even one of the founders of the clan. He obviously has Sharingan and the masked version has too.
So why do you suddenly conclude that he's not? Where did you get that?

war rock exe October 16th, 2011 7:26 AM

Plot twist..? Im talking about the dude in the mask that supposedly ISN'T madara

Kenshin5 October 16th, 2011 9:16 AM

Just cause the masked Madara has Sharigan doesn't make him an Uchiha considering Kakashi has a Sharigan and MS Sharigan and he is not Uchiha so I wouldn't rule out that possibility. Now obviously the Madara Uchiha resurrected has with out a doubt Uchiha.

war rock exe October 16th, 2011 2:20 PM

Now i cant wait for the chapters to come: i bet when madara's true identity is reavealed we will all say, "OHHHHHH THAT MAKES SINCE!!!"

Livewire October 17th, 2011 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenshin5 (Post 6891437)
Just cause the masked Madara has Sharigan doesn't make him an Uchiha considering Kakashi has a Sharigan and MS Sharigan and he is not Uchiha so I wouldn't rule out that possibility. Now obviously the Madara Uchiha resurrected has with out a doubt Uchiha.

Remember Masked Madara has that entire lab full of Sharingan. Until we see a Mangekyou from him I will have my doubts as to who he really is. A MS from him would reveal an awful lot.

Regardless of who he is, the guys' got balls. He attacked Konoha when it had a younger, more powerful Sarutobi in addition to Minato.

Kenshin5 October 17th, 2011 10:58 AM

He is the REAL Orochimaru xD.

Yeah I wouldn't want to attack the village with two Kages one in his prime and one in Hiruzen who is said to be one of the strongest if not the strong Kages of all time(just look how he stood up to Orchimaru,Hashirama, Tobimaru). I mean damn two Kages and a Sennin at your late 60s. And of course he has all those Sharigan no thanks to the attack on the Uchiha with him and Itachi.

Rinna October 17th, 2011 11:59 AM

A friend of a friend believes Tobidara = Minato for some reason. PM me for details, I have to ask my friend again.

I think Tobidara is a Zetsu Clone of Madara. Maybe Madara used Izanagi when fighting Hashirama. That would explain why he doesn't have EMS. (he used the eyes he has stockpiled for Konan fight). It would still explain why Madara was Edo'd since Tobidara isn't really him, but a clone.

Kenshin5 October 17th, 2011 6:11 PM

Minato as Akatsuki leader theory has been going on for years even before Pain was introduced.

I could see how he maybe have used Izanagi, but I dunno if he actually used his own eyes to do so. Too me the benefits of EMS out weigh the benefits and draw backs of Izanagi, so I wouldn't interchange the two.

So your saying the Masked Madara is a Zetsu clone with the DNA of Madara? Or something like that.

Livewire October 19th, 2011 10:33 AM

OMFG

Spoiler:



Look at his expression. Madara has this sort of sad, upset look on his face. But we can infer the person he's referencing is extremely powerful. But who? If Madara was able to claim his birthright and reach the Rinnegan, then who could feasibly be even more powerful than him?

Also, the way Madara and Muu are talking indicates that this isn't the first allied Shinobi army.

As as guessed, the Sharingan is a derivative of the Rinnegan, and therefore a powerful enough sharingan user, who has an EMS, can upgrade to the Rinnegan as the final evolution of the eye. This is why Orochimaru desired a sharingan - he wanted the God-like abilities of the Rinnegan and evidently, Orochimaru figured this out. How much does he know?

And what does this say about other characters? Shodai Hashirama defeated and still presumably killed Madara with THE RINNEGAN. Just how incredibly powerful was he, and the rest of the Hokages?

And Jesus, Madara throws asteroids at people.

Rinna October 19th, 2011 10:52 AM

Madara cast Meteor! :o

But we're not sure if Madara awakened Rinnegan before or after the VotE fight. He did meet Nagato at one point.

Livewire October 19th, 2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamiya-chan (Post 6895590)
Madara cast Meteor! :o

But we're not sure if Madara awakened Rinnegan before or after the VotE fight. He did meet Nagato at one point.

"I awakened these eyes shortly before I died"

Assuming that the traditional story is still true, he fought Hashirama at VotE with both the Nine-tails and the Rinnegan.

Rinna October 19th, 2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6895631)


"I awakened these eyes shortly before I died"

Assuming that the traditional story is still true, he fought Hashirama at VotE with both the Nine-tails and the Rinnegan.

Where did it say he fought with Rinnegan? I was thinking he survived the VotE, and awakened Rinnegan sometime afterward. Or awakened it during the fight.

Kenshin5 October 19th, 2011 5:23 PM

I don't see it stated anywhere that he fought Hashirama with Rinnegan. And I really wouldn't underrate Hashirama even if Madara had Rinnegan at the time. Since both were descendents of the Younger and Old Brothers respectively. Hashirama Mokuton seems to be unparalleled compared to it's successors which were inferior i.e. Yamato, Danzo, Zetsu. Maybe Kubuto still has plans for Yamato as some point. I'm just wondering how much conciseness Kabuto is actually retaining, I feel Orochimaru will show up again at some point. And I wonder who this "Him" is. Assuming it's the Masked Madara.

Also, the way Madara and Muu are talking indicates that this isn't the first allied Shinobi army.
Well there was clan alliances before the foundation of villages so that could have been a precursor to the modern day Allied Forces.

All in all I have got to see Madara is just about as close to perfect in technique as you will get out of a shinobi. They are going to be pretty screwed if they can't find something to defeat him. Either Naruto is going to have to get some power ups again(either the "Strength" of the Younger Brother, maybe just maybe develop some secret Kekkei Genkai drawing it's roots back to his distant ancestors, or like I have said before awaken his own Rinnegan since his Tailed Beast Mode kind of draws comparisons to the silhouette of the Sage of Six paths.) Either that or Itachi is going to have to intercede at some point.

Livewire October 19th, 2011 5:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamiya-chan (Post 6895662)
Where did it say he fought with Rinnegan? I was thinking he survived the VotE, and awakened Rinnegan sometime afterward. Or awakened it during the fight.



Right there.

I also think the modification Kabuto made isn't the Rinnegan, as Madara clearly says Kabuto didn't create this power.

Rinna October 19th, 2011 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6896234)




Right there.

I also think the modification Kabuto made isn't the Rinnegan, as Madara clearly says Kabuto didn't create this power.

Yeah, but it could also mean he barely survived VotE and got it sometime between that and finding Nagato. I'm just confused as to if he fought First Hokage with the Rinnegan or just with Kyuubi, awakening it during or after.

war rock exe October 20th, 2011 9:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenshin5 (Post 6896185)
I don't see it stated anywhere that he fought Hashirama with Rinnegan. And I really wouldn't underrate Hashirama even if Madara had Rinnegan at the time. Since both were descendents of the Younger and Old Brothers respectively. Hashirama Mokuton seems to be unparalleled compared to it's successors which were inferior i.e. Yamato, Danzo, Zetsu. Maybe Kubuto still has plans for Yamato as some point. I'm just wondering how much conciseness Kabuto is actually retaining, I feel Orochimaru will show up again at some point. And I wonder who this "Him" is. Assuming it's the Masked Madara.

Also, the way Madara and Muu are talking indicates that this isn't the first allied Shinobi army.
Well there was clan alliances before the foundation of villages so that could have been a precursor to the modern day Allied Forces.

All in all I have got to see Madara is just about as close to perfect in technique as you will get out of a shinobi. They are going to be pretty screwed if they can't find something to defeat him. Either Naruto is going to have to get some power ups again(either the "Strength" of the Younger Brother, maybe just maybe develop some secret Kekkei Genkai drawing it's roots back to his distant ancestors, or like I have said before awaken his own Rinnegan since his Tailed Beast Mode kind of draws comparisons to the silhouette of the Sage of Six paths.) Either that or Itachi is going to have to intercede at some point.

I'm hoping that naruto DOES get the rinnegan, but i bet Itachi's going to show up

annhu2011 October 25th, 2011 9:32 PM

Hi, I'm new here and I love Naruto!!!

war rock exe October 26th, 2011 8:41 AM

ARG, no new Naruto until tomorrow....

Rinna October 26th, 2011 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by war rock exe (Post 6896910)
I'm hoping that naruto DOES get the rinnegan, but i bet Itachi's going to show up

I doubt Naruto will. He's descended (did I spell that right?) from the younger of the brothers. So, he's the body/chakra of Rikudo.

Sasuke is more likely to get Rinnegan, since he's descended from the elder brother, so he gets the eyes of Rikudo.

war rock exe October 27th, 2011 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamiya-chan (Post 6905507)
I doubt Naruto will. He's descended (did I spell that right?) from the younger of the brothers. So, he's the body/chakra of Rikudo.

Sasuke is more likely to get Rinnegan, since he's descended from the elder brother, so he gets the eyes of Rikudo.


Ya, but that work suck if Sasuke does.... :(

THE 5 KAGES ARE GONNA DIE!!!!! NINE TAILS VS MADARA!!!

Kenshin5 October 27th, 2011 12:39 PM

So much for the user of spoilers anyone...

Spoiler:
If Madara can use Mokuton, which was a characteristic of the Younger Brother line then I can't see why Naruto can't use Rinnegan. After all Nagato was an Uzumaki like Naruto. So if they can have both then I wouldn't rule out the character the series is based on to get these insane power ups. He is supposed to be the Child of Prophecy of course he will get some awesome power ups.


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