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StratusJm July 12th, 2010 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5961274)
Why wouldn't he evolve? He is rather small and not too detailed. He fits the characteristics of a Prevo pokemon.

thats just what i think i see it as being a single evo!!

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5961317)
Omg I know! I was just now thinking of Life Orb. If I'm understanding that post properly, Life Orb is apparently negated by Encourage...

...Oh wow...

It would make Encourage semi useless competitively because of the lack of choice items. Without held items it would allow for the power increase to be larger.

BeachBoy July 12th, 2010 7:37 AM

The reason I would find the no-item idea interesting is because of its use in a possible no-item battle facility. (Like the Arcade) Some fun potential there.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 7:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 5961324)
The reason I would find the no-item idea interesting is because of its use in a possible no-item battle facility. (Like the Arcade) Some fun potential there.

The same goes for non item battles with friends making the ability great again under those situations.

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5961334)
If thats the case, I guess there's no use Scarfing Wooguru then. xD

@Beachy: I'm looking forward to what kind of battle facilities they have as a whole. Now this I have really high hopes for. <3

Wooguru has two abilities. Keen Eye and Encourage. You could adjust your strategy accordingly.

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 8:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5961405)
Wooguru has two abilities. Keen Eye and Encourage. You could adjust your strategy accordingly.

i dont think many people are going to use wooguru with keen eye i mean encourage is kind of its "gimmick" you could say?

oh and by the way i doubt encourage affects items

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5961424)
Well, Keen Eye is useful for in-game, but I dunno how useful it will be when it comes to wifi. Seems like it won't be much help.

It wouldnt really help but it would be alternative.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 8:11 AM

I sure hope it doesn't affect items...maybe it affects only powerup items, that we can still you berries,etc :)

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 8:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5961450)
I sure hope it doesn't affect items...maybe it affects only powerup items, that we can still you berries,etc :)

it wont it only effects attacks

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 8:17 AM

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Originally Posted by StratusJm (Post 5961456)
it wont it only effects attacks

I know but if it does/did have such a horrible second string attached to it...I want it to be able to use heal items at least :)

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5961470)
I know but if it does/did have such a horrible second string attached to it...I want it to be able to use heal items at least :)

The entire ability is proly what serebii translated it as. A lot of people aren't accepting it because it is too good and scary to be true.

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 8:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5961470)
I know but if it does/did have such a horrible second string attached to it...I want it to be able to use heal items at least :)

i cant imagine that i think the no secondary effects drawback is enough to balance it out tbh. ha sitrus berries ftw

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 8:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5961473)
The entire ability is proly what serebii translated it as. A lot of people aren't accepting it because it is too good and scary to be true.

I think that too ,but like I said if there was such a string attach I would want some exception :)

farage5 July 12th, 2010 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5958147)
A secondary effect is an effect that has a chance of happening. Recoil damage with moves like Flare Blitz always happen so it isn't a secondary effect. Moves like Flame Wheel that have a chance to burn the opponent won't burn because the chance to burn has been taken away.

Actually, a secondary effect is something that happens besides the damage.That's why it called a SECONDARY effect. Duh! You better have seen that word. Otherwise you need an eye exam.

Anyways... What if there was some sort of freak accident and GameFreak made the damage of the moves the secondary effects, and the original secondary effects are the main effects. If that happens, Encourage would cancel out the attacks, and make the secondary effects stronger, which really doesn't do anything!

Azure-Supernova July 12th, 2010 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by farage5 (Post 5962404)
Actually, a secondary effect is something that happens besides the damage.That's why it called a SECONDARY effect. Duh! You better have seen that word. Otherwise you need an eye exam.

Anyways... What if there was some sort of freak accident and GameFreak made the damage of the moves the secondary effects, and the original secondary effects are the main effects. If that happens, Encourage would cancel out the attacks, and make the secondary effects stronger, which really doesn't do anything!

That seems a little too careless on Game Freak's behalf. And no, recoil damage is not a secondary effect... it's recoil damage. When a poisonous spider bites you, you might get poisoned. When you run into a wall headfirst, you get recoil damage.

See how that works? It's not a secondary effect, it's a result of you being reckless. Just like hard hitting physical attacks are on Pokémon, high power full body hits at the expense of taking damage from it.

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by farage5 (Post 5962404)
Actually, a secondary effect is something that happens besides the damage.That's why it called a SECONDARY effect. Duh! You better have seen that word. Otherwise you need an eye exam.

Anyways... What if there was some sort of freak accident and GameFreak made the damage of the moves the secondary effects, and the original secondary effects are the main effects. If that happens, Encourage would cancel out the attacks, and make the secondary effects stronger, which really doesn't do anything!

Its not literal. In pokemon a secondary effect is an effect that doesnt have a 100% chance of happening, like burn or flinch. If an effect has an 100% chance of happening, like recoil, its Primary.

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5962487)
That seems a little too careless on Game Freak's behalf. And no, recoil damage is not a secondary effect... it's recoil damage. When a poisonous spider bites you, you might get poisoned. When you run into a wall headfirst, you get recoil damage.

See how that works? It's not a secondary effect, it's a result of you being reckless. Just like hard hitting physical attacks are on Pokémon, high power full body hits at the expense of taking damage from it.

yes but i have a question. everyones saying if something has a chnace of happening it doesnt happen whereas if it is definetely going to happen it will. so what happens with the move mud-slap which ALWAYS lowers the foes accuracy?

Azure-Supernova July 12th, 2010 2:16 PM

I am going to say it will probably keep it. As like recoil damage, surely the lowering of the stat would be built into the Primary Effect?

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5962667)
I am going to say it will probably keep it. As like recoil damage, surely the lowering of the stat would be built into the Primary Effect?

i dont know though it seems to me like all the effects this ability negates affect the opponent so with mud-slap its difficult to tell what will happen

Azure-Supernova July 12th, 2010 2:29 PM

Guess only time will tell, I'm eager to see wether this will prove an overpowering ability or just a gimmick for Wooguru

Mana July 12th, 2010 2:31 PM

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Originally Posted by StratusJm (Post 5962660)
yes but i have a question. everyones saying if something has a chnace of happening it doesnt happen whereas if it is definetely going to happen it will. so what happens with the move mud-slap which ALWAYS lowers the foes accuracy?

I think it will still be cancelled.

Basically what I'm going to go by is Serebii's attack dex.

Any 'secondary effect' that has a --% will happen regardless, but anything with a number will not occur.

Meaning even though Mud-slap has a 100% accuracy down effect, that will not work with encourage.

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 2:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SwiftSign (Post 5962722)
I think it will still be cancelled.

Basically what I'm going to go by is Serebii's attack dex.

Any 'secondary effect' that has a --% will happen regardless, but anything with a number will not occur.

Meaning even though Mud-slap has a 100% accuracy down effect, that will not work with encourage.

thanks that actually makes a lot of sense!! ya azure im thinking it will be cancelled now!

Azure-Supernova July 12th, 2010 2:49 PM

I agree with you there guys

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5962786)
I agree with you there guys

oh btw i doubt the ability will be overpowering on the eagle but maybe with a diverse movepool it might just scrape OU. staraptor came close enough..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 3:17 PM

Maybe the eagle will surpass staraptor in speed and Attack...

Ninja Caterpie July 12th, 2010 3:27 PM

How about we define it like this?

Any ability of a move that can be negated is considered secondary.

With this definition, Mud Slap's accuracy lowering can be negated by Clear Body or Keen Eye, thus it is secondary. Overheat's Sp. Att lowering cannot be negated - not even by White Smoke or Clear Body, making it a primary effect.

Anything with a chance, obviously, has a chance of not happening.

This doesn't go for moves without power, of course. That becomes their primary effect.

Gardenia101 July 12th, 2010 3:28 PM

I wouldn't use it, I put strategy and luck over power. Thats the only way to go when facing Red!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 3:37 PM

ha we won't be facing red this gen around :P

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gardenia101 (Post 5962932)
I wouldn't use it, I put strategy and luck over power. Thats the only way to go when facing Red!

In the remakes RED is all about using power, I dunno what you think it takes to beat him...

Im excited for both Wooguru and Hihidaruma.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 4:44 PM

I wonder if these two will be the only ones to have Encourage as their SA...

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 7:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5963158)
I wonder if these two will be the only ones to have Encourage as their SA...

Lets hope so. If we got a psychic type with this ability we would be done for.

Zet July 12th, 2010 10:09 PM

No secondary effects? That's a bit lame in my opinion. And it won't do much to pokemon with the Mold Breaker ability.

Jerme July 13th, 2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Zet (Post 5964015)
No secondary effects? That's a bit lame in my opinion. And it won't do much to pokemon with the Mold Breaker ability.

i dont see what mold breaker has to do with it. but i think you meant something like gastro acid

Jerme July 13th, 2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5965848)
Mold breaker can negate Encourage the same way gastro acid can.

oh i thought it just mean moves can be used regardless of ability, like wonder guard and ground moves on leviate. and water moves damage water absorb users, electric harms volt absorb users...but how is it effected by mold breaker?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 12:13 PM

This ability has gotten the most talk out of all the new abilities I think even more than Illusion.

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5965960)
In the end, I don't see it getting much use. It's all the hype at first, but its something some of us will easily look past once we get the games. Its like, "oh, Wooguru has encourage? Thats pretty nice". At least, thats how I'm envisioning it to be.

Pretty much how I feel about this at the moment.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5965960)
In the end, I don't see it getting much use. It's all the hype at first, but its something some of us will easily look past once we get the games. Its like, "oh, Wooguru has encourage? Thats pretty nice". At least, thats how I'm envisioning it to be.

Yeah I see it like the "super luck" of gen 5 actually.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966008)
More like a gimmicky Technician, actually(and probably Initimidate weak at that, but then again, so is technician, granted the Pokemon doesn't have bulk up/swords dance). Even so, on a normal/flying type, well...depending on how it turns out, cause right now I don't want to make an assumption thats totally wrong, but I thought Staraptor would be pretty badass with intimidate, but it turns out that...well its stealth rock/boltbeam weak, so yeah. :(

Staraptor is more of a suicide Pokemon to use though, while I'm imagining Wooguru to be some sort of gimmicky technician user or something.

I thought that as well :(
Yeah it could get pretty gimmicky...

StratusJm July 13th, 2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5965939)
This ability has gotten the most talk out of all the new abilities I think even more than Illusion.

you know im surprised megurukos ability "earthquake spiral" isnt getting any talk. it sounds quite good

StratusJm July 13th, 2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5965960)
In the end, I don't see it getting much use. It's all the hype at first, but its something some of us will easily look past once we get the games. Its like, "oh, Wooguru has encourage? Thats pretty nice". At least, thats how I'm envisioning it to be.

ya there are better abilites to have tbh and i think the people calling it broken were going a bit overboard

StratusJm July 13th, 2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966054)
But at the same time I can at least see where they're coming from. Utilizing technician as an example again, it raises all moves with a base 60 power or less by 1.5x. Combine that with swords dance and STAB and thats pretty deadly(heck, one of the reasons why Scizor is such a huge threat with Bullet Punch).

The apparent drawback is that it takes away secondary effects(which doesn't hurt priority moves in the slightest if they give Wooguru one) but it does boost the power of the select move(this is only assuming with moves that have a secondary effect. I doubt it affects all moves). Taking this into account, it's technician except sorta gimmicky and really risky.

that is true but it depends on the pokemon utilising the abilty really. scizor is about the only good technician there is.

and technician boosts weak attacks by 50% but one person said a boost of 10% by encouragement would be broken

StratusJm July 13th, 2010 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966105)
Yeah, 10% wouldn't really help that much. I mean, if you think about all the items like charcoal, nevermeltice, wise glasses, etc, they all boost moves by 10% and well...that is a pretty minor boost compared to Technician, really.

ya 10& is far too little to make up for cancelling out the chance to status/ cut your opponents stats/ raise your stats.

i remember someone saying it would be broken to raise fire punch from 112.5 power to 123.75 power but tbh id be more scared of 112.5 and a chance of being burned

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 1:17 PM

Well maybe the eagle has high speed(faster than staraptor) and attack but low defenses...

Jerme July 13th, 2010 1:24 PM

lets talk about earthquake spiral.

Ninja Caterpie July 13th, 2010 3:43 PM

Thing is, we're DISCUSSING how the Encourage works.

What're we going to say for Earthquake Spiral?

"derpy this ability are cooooo.........megukuruo gonna get overpowered!!!11".

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 4:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966544)
I'm quite lost, or maybe I haven't been keeping up like I should. Can someone fill me in quickly on what this Earthquake Spiral ability is supposed to do?

Earthquake Spiral boosts the attack of a pokemon after it has defeated another pokemon in battle, so if it's a physical sweeper...well it will be deadly...

Kirbychu July 13th, 2010 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966581)
Earthquake Spiral boosts the attack of a pokemon after it has defeated another pokemon in battle, so if it's a physical sweeper...well it will be deadly...

A strong Aqua Jet might be able to do the job.

MistahDude July 13th, 2010 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966161)
Well maybe the eagle has high speed(faster than staraptor) and attack but low defenses...

it would have to be faster than Swellow to do anything in UU, and Swellow has a HUGE speed stat.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 5966624)
A strong Aqua Jet might be able to do the job.

Well the fact that the only pokemon that we know has it is ground type gives me hope that it won't know Aqua jet...If it does...

Kirbychu July 13th, 2010 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966677)

Well the fact that the only pokemon that we know has it is ground type gives me hope that it won't know Aqua jet...If it does...

I meant that a good Aqua Jet could probably take care of him once he has his high attack stat. He'll probably have slow speed anyways.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 5966685)
I meant that a good Aqua Jet could probably take care of him once his has his high attack stat. He'll probably have slow speed anyways.

Oh, yeah a good aqua jet could probably take care of it. Wonder if we will get a water version of Extreme speed...
If it has a evo with high defenses and attack then it will be hard to take down...

Blueknight July 13th, 2010 4:47 PM

Maybe this Pokemon will get a crappy move-pool....
Like Entei, Voltorb, or Flareon.

Ninja Caterpie July 13th, 2010 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966703)
Now if I'm understanding that right...that's...pretty broken. o_o;

Not really considering +1 isn't that much and you'd have to fight a number of turns for a boost equal to Swords Dance. It's not really that broken.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueknight (Post 5966723)
Maybe this Pokemon will get a crappy move-pool....
Like Entei, Voltorb, or Flareon.

It's a ground type...so I can see it use Earthquake, dig, ect. Earthquake is pretty deadly in itself...

MistahDude July 13th, 2010 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966864)
Wait, it's only a +1, right? But I dunno, what I'm picturing in my head like, if you faint one Pokemon, you'll automatically get a boost in Attack or something? o.o; Like, wouldn't fainting that one Pokemon in itself give a boost equivalent to Bulk Up(minus the defense)? I would think that's pretty deadly...

LETS GET BACK ON THE TOPIC!

I am looking forward to kicking asses and taking names with Hihidaruma and Wooguru!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966864)
Wait, it's only a +1, right? But I dunno, what I'm picturing in my head like, if you faint one Pokemon, you'll automatically get a boost in Attack or something? o.o; Like, wouldn't fainting that one Pokemon in itself give a boost equivalent to Bulk Up(minus the defense)? I would think that's pretty deadly...

I don't think that they have said the amount actually but I see it as a 1 stage growth like with bulk up like you said which is still helpful :)...

StratusJm July 14th, 2010 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966877)
I don't think that they have said the amount actually but I see it as a 1 stage growth like with bulk up like you said which is still helpful :)...

at first i hoped for a swords dance equivalent of a boost but maybe thats too much? im hoping meguruko is really fast though so it can be a good sweeper and i cant wait to see its evolved form


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