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MistahDude July 11th, 2010 7:40 AM

Encourage Ability
 
So far we know of two pokemon with this ability:

Hihidaruma and Wooguru.

Hihidaruma is a pure fire type and Wooguru is a Flying/Normal type:


Encourage is an ability that raises the power of moves but removes their secondary effects. A secondary effect for a move is an effect that has a possibility of happening, like burn or paralysis. Basically Fire Punch would be much stronger but would never burn. Moves like Flare Blitz always cause recoil so the recoil would stay because its not secondary.

This ability affects moves that cause damage. Moves like Swords Dance and Agility that are status moves and ALWAYS raise a stat will still be usable.

What do you guys think about this ability?

Are you hoping the power increase is by 1.5x or 2x?

Would you use this ability? You would be basically trading status infliction for power.

Fire Punch = 75 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x = 93.75 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x + STAB = 140.625 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x = 112.5 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x + STAB = 168.75 Power (Increase of Power by 2.25x)

Flare Blitz/Brave Bird = 120 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x = 150 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x + STAB = 225 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x = 180 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x + STAB = 270 Power (Increase of Power by 2.25x)

NON STAB MOVES:

Rock Smash = 40 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x = 50 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x = 60 Power

Shock Wave (and all other never miss moves) = 60 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x = 75 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x = 90 Power

Even with Non STAB moves this ability would be pretty deadly. Rock Smash with a power of 60 even without the ability to drop defenses could be a problem early on in the game. It makes Rock Smash as strong as a move like Magical Leaf. It also makes never miss moves like Shock Wave and Faint Attack as strong as Aura Sphere.

If a Normal type Pokemon had the Encourage Ability and used Selfdestruct or Explosion:

Selfdestruct = 200 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x = 250 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x + STAB = 375 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x = 300 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x + STAB = 450 Power (Increase of power by 2.25x)

Even if a pokemon with Encourage used a non STAB Selfdestruct it would be stronger than Explosion!

Explosion = 250 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x = 312.5 Power
If Encourage was 1.25x + STAB = 468.75 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x = 375 Power
If Encourage was 1.5x + STAB = 562.5 Power (Increase of power by 2.25x)

Even if a pokemon with Encourage used a non STAB Explosion it would be a little under double of Selfdestruct's power! A STAB Encourage Explosion would make Explosion over 2 times as strong!

If Encourage increases power by 1.5x, it would make sense why you would drop the status infliction chance. If a STAB move is used with the Encourage ability it becomes stronger by 2.25x.

If Encourage raised power by more than 1.5x it would make STAB moves WAY too powerful.

In case you wanted to see all of the moves:
http://pokemondb.net/move/all

If the ability is limited to only secondary effect moves that still gives us tons of powerful attacks, and most of the electric and fire type moves.

Magmarizer July 11th, 2010 7:44 AM

This ability seems awsome. It would be devesting if it was super effective witha stab.

Azure-Supernova July 11th, 2010 7:45 AM

Yeah, with a 1.5 or 2x increase, that status effect might as well be discarded.

MistahDude July 11th, 2010 8:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5957855)
Yeah, with a 1.5 or 2x increase, that status effect might as well be discarded.

Odds are the opposing pokemon isn't going to survive!

Gregora July 11th, 2010 8:40 AM

1.5 is decent enough. But what's evil is that ability coupled with STAB plus the attack, say something like Free-Fall, which I think would be a flying type attack hitting something 2x effective and it all stacking... Just food for thought.

Mujahid July 11th, 2010 8:45 AM

Wooguru + encourage + Brave bird + STAB = RIP !!...

And if it has sky attack..*starts to imagine the carnage*...Gud god !!..that's one thing i'll never want to face

Azure-Supernova July 11th, 2010 8:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5957932)
Odds are the opposing pokemon isn't going to survive!

Exactly... especially if coupled with a STAB move... tack it onto a Pokémon with high enough speed and you could have a lethal weapon here... surely there has to be a bigger downside to this Ability... the loss of a status effect seems to minimal.

The idea of Paralysis or Burn or Poison is to hinder a Pokémon. If you can just 1hKO it then where's the need to hinder?

Gregora July 11th, 2010 8:47 AM

Good bye fighting, grass, and Bug types. Of course, there's also something known as stealth rock to keep the damage minimal.

tangvor July 11th, 2010 8:55 AM

Okay well here's the thing if it removes the secondary effect to cause more power if a move DIDN'T have a secondary effect I don't believe it would have extra power.
Do you get what I'm saying?
Like only moves like fire punch, ice punch, thunderpunch, flamethrower would all sacrifice the secondary effect for more power.
However moves like let's say brave bird don't have a secondary effect on an opponent so I don't believe they would recieve the extra bonus from this ability.

XEL July 11th, 2010 9:04 AM

Screw the hax! I'd love this ability!

MistahDude July 11th, 2010 9:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tangvor (Post 5958028)
Okay well here's the thing if it removes the secondary effect to cause more power if a move DIDN'T have a secondary effect I don't believe it would have extra power.
Do you get what I'm saying?
Like only moves like fire punch, ice punch, thunderpunch, flamethrower would all sacrifice the secondary effect for more power.
However moves like let's say brave bird don't have a secondary effect on an opponent so I don't believe they would recieve the extra bonus from this ability.

From Serebii:

Quote:

This ability boosts the power of attacks used by the Pokemon but disables any secondary effect that they have
The way this is worded makes me believe that all moves are powered up, but have their secondary effects removed. That doesn't mean just the status conditions.

Ancient Power would never increase your stats when you used it if you had Encourage.

Basically any move with "May" or "Might" in it's description will be affected by Encourage, but regular moves will still be powered up.

I would say it is a good trade off. There are a lot of moves that have secondary effects. I already saw this ability coming when Dunsparce and Togekiss got the double secondary effect ability.

revelp8 July 11th, 2010 9:26 AM

there's one thing thats bugging me about this ability

drops ANY secondary effects correct?

IF that is true, then Flare blitz second ability is the recoil damage, THEN is the recoil damage nulled?

Mana July 11th, 2010 9:28 AM

I think it might be limited to certain moves (like tangvor said) or maybe only works for moves <60 power perhaps like technician.

It seems a bit overpowered at 1.5 so maybe its a bit lower? Perhaps 1.2? Still enough to make a difference without being overpowered.

MistahDude July 11th, 2010 9:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revelp8 (Post 5958115)
there's one thing thats bugging me about this ability

drops ANY secondary effects correct?

IF that is true, then Flare blitz second ability is the recoil damage, THEN is the recoil damage nulled?

A secondary effect is an effect that has a chance of happening. Recoil damage with moves like Flare Blitz always happen so it isn't a secondary effect. Moves like Flame Wheel that have a chance to burn the opponent won't burn because the chance to burn has been taken away.

Charizard★ July 11th, 2010 9:35 AM

This ability seems really good. I wonder how many more Pokemon will have this Ability. xD

revelp8 July 11th, 2010 9:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5958147)
A secondary effect is an effect that has a chance of happening. Recoil damage with moves like Flare Blitz always happen so it isn't a secondary effect. Moves like Flame Wheel that have a chance to burn the opponent won't burn because the chance to burn has been taken away.

oh boo! oh well, there goes that idea. if its going to OHKO with flare blitz, its going to be taking a lot of damage

MistahDude July 11th, 2010 9:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwiftSign (Post 5958121)
I think it might be limited to certain moves (like tangvor said) or maybe only works for moves <60 power perhaps like technician.

It seems a bit overpowered at 1.5 so maybe its a bit lower? Perhaps 1.2? Still enough to make a difference without being overpowered.

If it was limited to moves with secondary effects then almost every fire move would be allowed.

I added 1.25x calculations to my post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by revelp8 (Post 5958164)
oh boo! oh well, there goes that idea. if its going to OHKO with flare blitz, its going to be taking a lot of damage

It would be taking a HUGE amount of recoil. This ability gives you huge amounts of power in replace of strategy. There isn't much strategy in attacking at full force.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charizard★ (Post 5958151)
This ability seems really good. I wonder how many more Pokemon will have this Ability. xD

Hopefully not a Fighting or Psychic type. If one of those types had this ability they would completely destroy enemy teams.

revelp8 July 11th, 2010 9:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5958173)
If it was limited to moves with secondary effects then almost every fire move would be allowed.



It would be taking a HUGE amount of recoil. This ability gives you huge amounts of power in replace of strategy. There isn't much strategy in attacking at full force.

ah, i didn't read your first post thoroughly...sorry about that ^^;

Woo for overpowered ability, for the most part.

MistahDude July 11th, 2010 9:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revelp8 (Post 5958214)
ah, i didn't read your first post thoroughly...sorry about that ^^;

Woo for overpowered ability, for the most part.

It is only really over powered when you use STAB moves.

Anything higher than 1.5 would make Encourage a little OP

coolfarhan11 July 11th, 2010 2:38 PM

Wooguru's possible Sky Attack + Encourage + STAB + Life Orb = pwnage.

If my math is correct then in an extremely lucky but realistic situation, in the above equation, the variable pwnage = 1865.76 damage.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2010 2:59 PM

Imagine that thing with choice band/Power orb,ect. It would be uber!

MistahDude July 11th, 2010 3:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5959277)
Imagine that thing with choice band/Power orb,ect. It would be uber!

Yeah it would be uber most likely.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2010 3:28 PM

What a scary pokemon it is...hope Mold breaker can stop it's ability from working...

Azure-Supernova July 11th, 2010 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5958173)
It would be taking a HUGE amount of recoil. This ability gives you huge amounts of power in replace of strategy. There isn't much strategy in attacking at full force.

It'll essentially make the Pokémon with it a reckless 1hKO'er or a 'desperate times' Pokémon.

Gymnotide July 11th, 2010 3:41 PM

It's going to end up being a +10% boost and everyone in this thread is going to cry :D:D:D:D


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