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StratusJm July 12th, 2010 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5961274)
Why wouldn't he evolve? He is rather small and not too detailed. He fits the characteristics of a Prevo pokemon.

thats just what i think i see it as being a single evo!!

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5961317)
Omg I know! I was just now thinking of Life Orb. If I'm understanding that post properly, Life Orb is apparently negated by Encourage...

...Oh wow...

It would make Encourage semi useless competitively because of the lack of choice items. Without held items it would allow for the power increase to be larger.

BeachBoy July 12th, 2010 7:37 AM

The reason I would find the no-item idea interesting is because of its use in a possible no-item battle facility. (Like the Arcade) Some fun potential there.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 7:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 5961324)
The reason I would find the no-item idea interesting is because of its use in a possible no-item battle facility. (Like the Arcade) Some fun potential there.

The same goes for non item battles with friends making the ability great again under those situations.

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5961334)
If thats the case, I guess there's no use Scarfing Wooguru then. xD

@Beachy: I'm looking forward to what kind of battle facilities they have as a whole. Now this I have really high hopes for. <3

Wooguru has two abilities. Keen Eye and Encourage. You could adjust your strategy accordingly.

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 8:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5961405)
Wooguru has two abilities. Keen Eye and Encourage. You could adjust your strategy accordingly.

i dont think many people are going to use wooguru with keen eye i mean encourage is kind of its "gimmick" you could say?

oh and by the way i doubt encourage affects items

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5961424)
Well, Keen Eye is useful for in-game, but I dunno how useful it will be when it comes to wifi. Seems like it won't be much help.

It wouldnt really help but it would be alternative.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 8:11 AM

I sure hope it doesn't affect items...maybe it affects only powerup items, that we can still you berries,etc :)

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 8:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5961450)
I sure hope it doesn't affect items...maybe it affects only powerup items, that we can still you berries,etc :)

it wont it only effects attacks

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 8:17 AM

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Originally Posted by StratusJm (Post 5961456)
it wont it only effects attacks

I know but if it does/did have such a horrible second string attached to it...I want it to be able to use heal items at least :)

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5961470)
I know but if it does/did have such a horrible second string attached to it...I want it to be able to use heal items at least :)

The entire ability is proly what serebii translated it as. A lot of people aren't accepting it because it is too good and scary to be true.

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 8:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5961470)
I know but if it does/did have such a horrible second string attached to it...I want it to be able to use heal items at least :)

i cant imagine that i think the no secondary effects drawback is enough to balance it out tbh. ha sitrus berries ftw

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 8:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5961473)
The entire ability is proly what serebii translated it as. A lot of people aren't accepting it because it is too good and scary to be true.

I think that too ,but like I said if there was such a string attach I would want some exception :)

farage5 July 12th, 2010 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5958147)
A secondary effect is an effect that has a chance of happening. Recoil damage with moves like Flare Blitz always happen so it isn't a secondary effect. Moves like Flame Wheel that have a chance to burn the opponent won't burn because the chance to burn has been taken away.

Actually, a secondary effect is something that happens besides the damage.That's why it called a SECONDARY effect. Duh! You better have seen that word. Otherwise you need an eye exam.

Anyways... What if there was some sort of freak accident and GameFreak made the damage of the moves the secondary effects, and the original secondary effects are the main effects. If that happens, Encourage would cancel out the attacks, and make the secondary effects stronger, which really doesn't do anything!

Azure-Supernova July 12th, 2010 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by farage5 (Post 5962404)
Actually, a secondary effect is something that happens besides the damage.That's why it called a SECONDARY effect. Duh! You better have seen that word. Otherwise you need an eye exam.

Anyways... What if there was some sort of freak accident and GameFreak made the damage of the moves the secondary effects, and the original secondary effects are the main effects. If that happens, Encourage would cancel out the attacks, and make the secondary effects stronger, which really doesn't do anything!

That seems a little too careless on Game Freak's behalf. And no, recoil damage is not a secondary effect... it's recoil damage. When a poisonous spider bites you, you might get poisoned. When you run into a wall headfirst, you get recoil damage.

See how that works? It's not a secondary effect, it's a result of you being reckless. Just like hard hitting physical attacks are on Pokémon, high power full body hits at the expense of taking damage from it.

MistahDude July 12th, 2010 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by farage5 (Post 5962404)
Actually, a secondary effect is something that happens besides the damage.That's why it called a SECONDARY effect. Duh! You better have seen that word. Otherwise you need an eye exam.

Anyways... What if there was some sort of freak accident and GameFreak made the damage of the moves the secondary effects, and the original secondary effects are the main effects. If that happens, Encourage would cancel out the attacks, and make the secondary effects stronger, which really doesn't do anything!

Its not literal. In pokemon a secondary effect is an effect that doesnt have a 100% chance of happening, like burn or flinch. If an effect has an 100% chance of happening, like recoil, its Primary.

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5962487)
That seems a little too careless on Game Freak's behalf. And no, recoil damage is not a secondary effect... it's recoil damage. When a poisonous spider bites you, you might get poisoned. When you run into a wall headfirst, you get recoil damage.

See how that works? It's not a secondary effect, it's a result of you being reckless. Just like hard hitting physical attacks are on Pokémon, high power full body hits at the expense of taking damage from it.

yes but i have a question. everyones saying if something has a chnace of happening it doesnt happen whereas if it is definetely going to happen it will. so what happens with the move mud-slap which ALWAYS lowers the foes accuracy?

Azure-Supernova July 12th, 2010 2:16 PM

I am going to say it will probably keep it. As like recoil damage, surely the lowering of the stat would be built into the Primary Effect?

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5962667)
I am going to say it will probably keep it. As like recoil damage, surely the lowering of the stat would be built into the Primary Effect?

i dont know though it seems to me like all the effects this ability negates affect the opponent so with mud-slap its difficult to tell what will happen

Azure-Supernova July 12th, 2010 2:29 PM

Guess only time will tell, I'm eager to see wether this will prove an overpowering ability or just a gimmick for Wooguru

Mana July 12th, 2010 2:31 PM

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Originally Posted by StratusJm (Post 5962660)
yes but i have a question. everyones saying if something has a chnace of happening it doesnt happen whereas if it is definetely going to happen it will. so what happens with the move mud-slap which ALWAYS lowers the foes accuracy?

I think it will still be cancelled.

Basically what I'm going to go by is Serebii's attack dex.

Any 'secondary effect' that has a --% will happen regardless, but anything with a number will not occur.

Meaning even though Mud-slap has a 100% accuracy down effect, that will not work with encourage.

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 2:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SwiftSign (Post 5962722)
I think it will still be cancelled.

Basically what I'm going to go by is Serebii's attack dex.

Any 'secondary effect' that has a --% will happen regardless, but anything with a number will not occur.

Meaning even though Mud-slap has a 100% accuracy down effect, that will not work with encourage.

thanks that actually makes a lot of sense!! ya azure im thinking it will be cancelled now!

Azure-Supernova July 12th, 2010 2:49 PM

I agree with you there guys

StratusJm July 12th, 2010 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5962786)
I agree with you there guys

oh btw i doubt the ability will be overpowering on the eagle but maybe with a diverse movepool it might just scrape OU. staraptor came close enough..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2010 3:17 PM

Maybe the eagle will surpass staraptor in speed and Attack...


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