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New Legendary Representations
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Something I've been wondering ever since Generation IV is how would the next generation of Pokémon would be able to surpass what Arceus represented. In Generation I the legendaries for the most part represented the seasons and aspects of the weather. Gen. II built a little off of that with the three beasts and Lugia and Ho-Oh as the Guardians of the sea and sky respectively. From there Gen. III brought us the overseers/creators of land, sea, and sky and Gen. IV gave us the pokemon that shaped time, space, and the universe itself. The main question here is how do you go beyond that? How much deeper can the origins go? Its not to say the creators necessarily have to go beyond Arceus but if you look at each generation the legendaries powers and representations have all gone steps beyond their predecessors. This thread is also to discuss what other representations the new legendary Pokémon may have. Generation IV gave us 13 new legendary Pokémon (14 if you count Phione) and so it is fair to assume that there will be a decent amount of new ones aside from the two we already know with Reshiram and Zekrom. Will they be sculptors of the earth or universe too? What higher representations are left to be covered in the Pokémon World? What are your thoughts and what would you like to see? Discuss here. Quick rundown. Feel free to add in anything else in case I missed something or made a mistake. I'm going based off of all known Pokédex entries and information from bulbapedia. Gen. I: Artucuno: Winter and ice Zapdos: Summer and thunder Moltres: Spring and flame Mewtwo: DNA engineering Mew: "Ancestor of all Pokémon" Gen. II: Entei: Volcano eruptions and the flames that burned the Brass Tower Raikou: Lightning striking and the lightning that struck the Brass Tower Suicune: The North Winds and the rain that put out the Brass Tower Lugia: "Guardian of the Seas" and storms Ho-Oh: "Guardian of the Skies" and rainbows Celebi: Time-travel Gen. III: Regice: Ice Age Regirock: Stone Age Registeel: Iron Age Latias: Telepathy and invisibility Latios: Telepathy and imagination Groudon: Creator of land Kyogre: Creator of the sea Rayquaza: The sky and the ozone layer Jirachi: Wish granter Deoxys: Extraterrestrial life Gen. IV: Uxie: Knowledge Mesprit: Emotion Azelf: Willpower Dialga: Time Palkia: Space Giratina: Antimatter Cresselia: The crescent moon, hope, and good dreams Darkrai: The new moon and nightmares Manaphy: "Prince of the Sea" and hydration Phione: Legendary status is questionable but representation is probably the same as Manaphy Heatran: Embodiment of volcanic activity Regigigas: Pulled the continents together Shaymin: Purity and creator of plant life Arceus: "The Original One" and creator of the Pokémon universe Things I can think of: The autumn season has been left out since Gen. I and the legendary birds. The full moon could be represented by a new legendary. A chaos Pokémon that created the egg Arceus was born from. (That would top Arceus) Legendary Pokémon representing death (although Giratina kind of covers that and this is a game marketed for kids). If Arceus is the Pokémon God then what about a Pokémon Devil? (Again wishful thinking considering this is a kids' game) Legendary Pokémon representing parallel universes, wormholes, black holes, or other dimensions (the Distortion World kind of weakens this idea but it could be pulled off). |
Well we have yet to have light and dark, Nature and tech which I think these two new legendary pokemon represent ;)
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I would say Life and Death or Light and Dark.
Both of them respresnt a side of the Yin-Yang symbol. Find out what that means and you will know what the represent. |
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Never thought of it that way, Yamikarasu. It could work, but I'd rather find out when the games come out.
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Zek is Night |
Zekrom represents electrical storms and darkness while reshiram represents heat and light.
Oh and this picture doesn't really add anything, it is just sexy: http://pokebeach.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/reshiram-zekrom-anime.jpg |
Which is why the screen shot with Zek is probably him making it dark.
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I see where you guys are all coming from any of those can be right actually :)
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It makes sense.
Time/Space Land/Water Guardian of Seas/Guardian of Skies Day/Night |
Natural/Artificial makes sense too :)
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how does it work if Mew is the ancestor of all pokemon and yet Arceus is the God pokemon that created Emotion, will and knowledge plus the universe... and yet Mew and Mewtwo were suppose t be the mose powerful pokemon.
this game does seem to contradict itself. Also I think black and white games represent day and night instead of good and evil or light and dark. Though I could be wrong. |
Also the Trio is lible to be, Rain,Snow,Sun or Past Presnt Future.
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Zekrom and Reshiram represent Narute and Industrial world, or so some people think. I think they should just represent Good and Evil. |
Since Zekrom isn't a dark type at all considering its colouring it's probably not good vs. evil. That would have been boring and predictable anyways. I sooooo did not see the box mascots, with their monochromatic color schemes (or even the names Black and White for their respective games) as technology vs. nature, did you? Maybe with their tails or names, but just looking at them?
Night and day? Maybe, but I would have expected a dark typing on Zekrom and psychic for Reshiram a la Cresselia and Darkrai. You could twist it that the fire and electric types could be night and day, but you tell me. With the ominous Black City and serene White Forest, it sounds like Pokemon is going for 'save the rainforests' motif. |
I'd actually like to see Game Freak creat a Pokémon representing existence in its purest form: Chaos. I'm a keen student of the Protogenoi geanology and it seems that Pokémon has covered most of the Great 18.
Let's see them make a trio (or just three seperate, unrelated Pokémon) out of Chaos (Void) Inevitability and Generation. Throw them in next to Arceus and then you have a universal power right there. |
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I don't think an "Evil" Version of Arceus is that far off. I've said that one would happen for two years and I doubt I'm the first to say it.
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Natural vs Artifical! |
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Rain, snow and sun have kind of been covered with Suicune, Lugia, Articuno and Moltres but there's always the possibility for more. I like the night and day concept for Reshiram and Zekrom but prefer the natural-light and artificial-light theory even more considering neither of them are Dark types. If the Team Rocket for these games is really supposed to be called Team Plasma then natural and artificial elements would really work into whatever their scheme is supposed to be. This thread also isn't limited to the two we know about. Gen. IV gave us 13 legendaries (14 if you count Phione) so what other legendary types do you all think may come out of this? I, like someone else mentioned, would also be really psyched for a pokemon that embodies chaos. |
Well it was said some where that the weather would play a major role in the game.
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I've been saying for a while now that'll be Naturalism vs. Industrialization and it seems that the evidence is adding up for this to be true.
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It could work, maybe not in this generation, but I'd like to see it. |
Life and Death Pokemon. That would be epic. =D Plus there could be other Pokemon that helped Arceus, err... Like a Pokemon of Destiny, Void, Chaos--I'm thinking Greek mythology now am I? :P
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Its Natural vs Artificial
Hence the White Forest against the Black city. |
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Here we have the means to pad out the Pokémon universe. Chaos (Void) to represent the raw state of energy that Arceus needed to shape the world. Phanes (New Life) to breathe life into Arceus' creations and allow them to procreate. Ananke (Destiny) to bring balance to New Life. Tying each being with a fate. Tartaros, which is pretty much Hell personified. We know that Pokémon do die, but perhaps creating a heaven and hell for them would be a step too far. Arceus needs siblings! |
Naturalism vs. Industrialization sounds about right, and when when you industrialize nature it becomes a barren wasteland >desert<=>ground<= ground can put out fire and electricity cant pass through it, i don't know the third legendary might just be a ground type. who knows, i haven't put much thought into it but anything can happen.
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What would a third legendary be like, anyways? Maybe there won't be a third legend and they'll focus on a different legendary all together like Suicune and Pokemon Crystal.
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Original One
Ummm.... Not trying to spam or anything but, uh, Arceus isn't the original one...
Here, see the movie "Secret Sphere of Influence". In it, Nando tells Ash that the Lake Trio created Dialga and Palkia, and then the trio made spirit and the duo made matter. Mesprit, Azelf, and Uxie are the original ones, the one that "Came from an Egg". That's why the books and stuff always talk about the trio "Hatching from the same egg". http://www.megavideo.com/?v=8K3R1M52 See it there..... |
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To quote Nando himself: "In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos. And at the heart of the chaos, where all things became one." From then on he just goes on to say that the Original One split into three more beings, then it fell into a deep sleep. |
But I think now they will make a pokemon that lives in the core of the Earth
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It's just a myth about an extremely powerful Pokemon... I can't believe people actually think that Arceus is an honest-to-god, well, god in the pogeyworld. No, Arceus does not need a counterpart. That's Giratina. Besides, I like the Mew-as-original theory better. |
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Naturalization vs. Industrialization, and here's why:
Zekrom's tail is like a part of an airplane (sorry, don't know the correct term) while Reshiram's liiks like an old style torch. Likewise, Zekrom's typing is electricity, which is what we as humans use today in our modern civilizations for light, warmth, and several other things in our daily lives. Reshiram is a fire type, the source of light and warmth humans used before electricity was harnessed for daily use. In addition to that, Zekrom is very sleek and artificial looking, while Reshiram is feathery and looks more like a natural animal. The version exclusive areas are Black City (industrialization) and White Forest (naturalization) And why do these legendaries have to "top Arceus"? Maybe they can still be amazing without being overly powerful or important towards existence? |
Yall ain't following the yig yang pattern thought.
Yin-yang stand for Day and Night. It has nothing to do with Naturalization vs. Industrialization. |
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i agree with the industrialisation verses naturalisation theme but yin ang yang are also part of it |
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Again; while Zekrom's turbine, Reshiram's torch and the whole exclusive-places thing makes sense with nature and that; what about the Pokédex entries? |
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Ok,I'll go with that,but I still somewhat disagree. I guess we can't get a clear answer untill confirmed.......................which Serebii is lacking today.......
Ya Stratus,you are right |
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When there're males, there'll be females. When there're lights, there'll be Darkness. So Natural vs Artifical does make senses. |
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Lol,it could be somethign totaly diffrent from what we think. Even if one of us are right. There is still thousands of possabilities. Because mostly everything has an opposite.
I just with Serebii would give us a lot more news. They said they where goign to get tons today,but they have failed to post any. |
I'm disappointed in the lack of new news so far :(
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Same. So what about the Trio pokemon? What you thinkt hey will be
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I think the third one will balance out the attributes like for example if it's natural vs. artificial it would represent that you can live with nature and industry in one :) Same if it's night and dark it would twilight/dawn/dusk :)
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I think the trio should represent my favorite "D's":
Death: Dark/Ghost Destruction: Fire Disease: Poison I'm a sick sick Beauty Killer ;) |
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I'm not after anything particularly strong, I've never used a Legendary in a team because they just don't fit in with my style :P Because all my Pokémon have to 'look the part' too |
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And considering Industrialization v. Naturalism are complete opposites, it still fits the Yin/Yang entry. I personally haven't seen this pokedex entry, but still. Also, the pokedex is a simple, limited description. I rely on the facts that I see, and make inferences off that. I can't possibly think that Game freak just slapped on fire/electric typing and jet turbine tails and said "HERP DURR DERP IT ARE EVIL/GOOD I ARE SO DEEP LULZ" |
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Naturalism and Industrialism is eaily my favourite theory. I mean southern Isshu is pretty advanced but the North is pretty rural for the most part. Also having a Chaos Pokemon would be so awesome! |
Yeah I think they made them represent something, also have you noticed they have one of the types of the legendary birds? Rashiram=Mortres, Zekrom= Zapdos... third one = Articuno ?
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I did ask how are they going to top Arceus. I meant it in saying how do you go beyond what Arceus represents? Generation I the legendaries for the most part represented the seasons and aspects of the weather. Gen. II built a little off of that with the three beasts and Lugia and Ho-Oh as the Guardians of the sea and sky respectively. From there Gen. III brought us the overseers/creators of land, sea, and sky and Gen. IV gave us the pokemon that shaped time, space, and the universe itself. The question is more like, how do you go beyond that? How much deeper can the origins go? Its not to say they necessarily have to go beyond Arceus but if you look at each generation the legendaries powers and representations have all gone steps beyond their predecessors and I just can't think of anything bigger than creating the universe except for pokemon representing Chaos or the Void.
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Well cero I think they might have gone a step back this time :P
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A Legendary that is representing the future, past, and present.
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We have had a pokemon of space travel so why not phases of time( like what the person above whose name I can't type due to the characters, said :) )
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Now it fits! I was like hm, could it be Dragon/Ice? I didn't thought of Ice being able to be produced artificially and naturally lol! Now it makes sense :P |
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Honestly, I think Reshiram and Zekrom repesent good and evil. Yin and Yang anybody? (Yay for me, Captain Obvious) |
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So it might not be Good and evil after all. |
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I'm thinking from my first post we need a third runner with Cresselia and Darkrai. Something representing the full moon: a werewolf pokemon! |
Well forgive my igorance :P When my brain starts going I can't stop myself.
I wonder, are Game Freak attempting to educate us through entertainment O.o Not that it's a bad thing on the whole, I just hope they don't try and squeeze in a racial message -_- |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_yang People, read this seriously. Many natural dualities — e.g. dark and light, female and male, low and high, cold and hot — are thought of as manifestations of yin and yang (respectively). |
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Also, Yin and Yang isn't just good/evil. It's a universal theory that is used to show all opposites or opposing forces carry some of the attributes of the other side, or to show that without one force there cannot be the other. |
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Question: Since when are the creators obligated to top ANYTHING from the previous generation?
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First post edited for clarity purposes. On with discussions/thoughts/opinions.
...Come on Full Moon Werewolf Legendary! |
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How about yin and freaking yang?
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Clearly thay ARE meade to represent yin ang yang but which aspects of yin and yang are up for debate. As mentioned numerous times, yin and yang are opposites. They could be any opposing force in the universe. When they were first revealed I thought their representations would be limited to just that. However, the discussions on natural and artificial are very intriguing and have kinda swayed my opinion. I have a feeling that if they are going for an Artificial vs Industrial theme that they're trying to hit on a few enviromental issues. (I find it ironic how the region is called Isshu because of this. Issue, Issu XD) Pokemon's turning into a Social Studies class lol. |
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Hey the legendary Trio could be Lion,Tiger and Cheatah or Leapord. I'm not sure what they would respresent maybe Choas,Balance,Lawful or City,Forest,Ocean or even Loud,Quiet and something else. That would represent city,country then somethign else. |
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Suicune is a wolf, Entei is a Lion, Raiku is a sabertooth tiger |
Actuly those are dogs......
They are all considered dogs. Ask almost anyone and they will say they are Legendary Dogs |
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Lots of people call them the Legendary Cats. Others say Legendary Dogs. But the easy term is Legendary Beasts. They have features of both cats and dogs. So they're really not dogs and they're not really cats, either. They're beasts, to avoid arguements. (Or gerbils, but...) And I agree with those who said that Industrial/Natural is going to be the "theme" of the games. Isshu is a more technologically advanced region, so it would fit. |
I doubt they would represent technology, since that doesn't fit with the whole Pokemon theme. Still, a Pokemon that made iPods would be cool.
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I didn't read all of your posts to know what you are thinking, but I, TheReal, have some words to say to you, about the new legendaries and black/white.
First of all, these games will be a lot about exploration: ruins, talismans, mythological creatures, etc. We will have evo's of old pokémons to myth creatures, like tauros to a minotauros and heracross to an Atlas based pokémon (Atlas is the guy that holds the world in his arms, which needs a lot of strengh, which combines with heracross fight type). Also, we will have that sarcophagus pokémon and others representing the temathic. But this is only an introduction to talk about the most important part... the legendaries! The new trio will be based on egyptian mythology. They will be all dogs, but really dogs! Not like suicune, entei and raikou that some say they're dogs and other cats and others whatever come to their mind (like goats.. see post above me). This time will be really dogs! An Anubis like will be one of them and the others I can't figure out which of one are they, since we have some egyptian gods dog like. Their meaning won't be the same as the egyptian gods, of course, since most of them represent death and the underworld, temathics not apropriated to Pokémon. They'll have another symbolic meaning. Now, the principal trio, from which we already know two. Reshiram and Zekrom represent the ying-yang: right! They're the opposite: right! They represent an opposition, artificial and natural life: right again! And it's all. Since we don't have another element in the ying-yang, the third legendary will be out of it. He will be just like Giratina, represents another 'world' (like Giratina represents the distortion world). This time, the ancient world will be represented, the beginning world when pokémon were created by Arceus, where the first Pokémon species habited. He will be a snake like pokémon with a turbine on his tail, just like Reshiram and Zekrom. Also Dragon type. Yes, Arceus won't be topped. He'll never be topped anyways. That's all TheReal have to say to you. This is true story and for the most skeptics, just wait more two months and see! (And this is why my signature makes sense, TheReal is God, yes, I'm God and I know everything, because on July Arceus is on vacation, just like many other people.) |
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Never have I heard them ever called cats. I have heard of beasts and dogs never cats.
Anyways that really isn't the point. |
Lol, the trio could be based on Egyptian mythology, and thats desert could hold the key to them. i'd love to see some Illuminati Trinity stuff going on.
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Peopel sayign Natural vs man is right. look at the new scans some of the areas are diffrent 1 is more old age and the other is more futuirstic.
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I think that artificial and natural would suffice, but day and night just seems more logical... a fire/dragon type represents the day with the sun burning brightly in the sky, and the electric/dragon type would represent the night full of lightning sadness.
but there is a way the artificial/natural way and the day/night thing COULD intersect, say that during the day; you have natural light, but during the night; the only real light you have is artificial(sorry moon, you're just not bright enough lol) but yah those are my theorys on the main two, but i almost gureentee(misspelled) that there will be another trio but they are not going to represent emotions, because in doing so they are simply copying 4th gen. but i do like the sound of past, present, and future and i already know what the types should be...past; dark/ghost= dark past. Present; fighting/ghost=struggle, not looking at future, only past. Future; Psychic/Ghost=looking toward the future These are my theorys, i was not looking forward to BW because i thought i was going to be repetitive, but like all pokemon games, i will play and most likely love them.(make a version for the wii XD) |
Resh and Zek are Fire and Electric right? Maybe Sunlight/Storms theme would do aside from Light/Dark. Zero/Infinity would be awesome but probably impossible for now. Day/Night would also make sense.
Off-Topic: Resh got a hot ass! :D |
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